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Place here, theres three more, as you can see in the difference. You cant see that clearly at the moment, but you can see the stretches out there as well. Now, this has been one of the hardest areas to get to for a long time. It had to be helicopters. Weve driven it, and that took many hours. You can see the Rescue Workers are here now. These helicopters are coming in to pick up either survivors, or bodies and to take them away two major hospitals in cities that havent been so badly affected. Theyre also running from here, into the remote villages that are still completely cut off by road. Theyve done a remarkable job, at actually getting the road open as far as we are. It took a long time and it is quite scary because its quite clear the wrong could happen if there was another trump. Or it could come back down. This is another house and Apartment Block that has been completely flattened. It was here that we saw the body of that young woman i mentioned, being taken away. Theyve got in some cutting gear, theyre obviously trying to get in under what looks like a floor. Its actually the roof of the building thats just come straight down. And theyre just trying to get underneath. Occasionally, it goes a very quiet and they say hold on. Theyre trying to see if somebody is alive. I have to say, when theyre doing this and thats moving rubble, debris, when they try to move the building, its probably pretty certain that whoever is in there has not made it. Is not alive. Its difficult to see, as i said before, in this particular area, how anyone would really stand any chance. Its fair to say many didnt. You look around parts of the town as well, its not just this is sort of a ridge line that lead down to the valley floor. That basically collapsed. This is where houses were. This isnt the edge of a cliff, this is just part of the town. But its just completely slipped down. And then further up, you can see here, this was a major administrative building. A supermarket there as you can see. They just turned completely into trouble. This rescue effort, its going to go on for a long time. Id say its a Recovery Effort now, for many people. But there is still hope. But that hope is really running out. Theyve only got a few days, the golden days. Theres only two or three, maybe four. Sometimes in earthquakes you get an amazing discovery of somebody whos been able to survive, but its very hot here, theres no rain due. And so i think if theyre not found in the next day or two, then there will be no hope. Thousands of people have died. Yeah, that was sky news chief correspondent stewart ramsey. Turning now to the latest news in the fastmoving effort to challenge Donald Trumps eligibility for the presidency. One month ago, the idea that Section Three of the 14th Amendment could disqualify the twice impeached multi indicted failed former president from Holding Public office again was mostly just a discussion topic, debated among legal scholars. But now, six voters in colorado have filed a Lawsuit Seeking to remove trump from the states ballots for the upcoming president ial election, alleging that his role in the January 6th Insurrection makes him ineligible for public office. Its a case that the revered legal scholar at harvard university, called, the strongest of the suits filed to compel secretaries of state to apply the 14th Amendment disqualification clause to trump. Professor tribe and his colleague, the retired former federal judge Jay Michael Luttig helped to bring this topic to the forefront of the public consciousness about three weeks ago, after they cowrote a widely read police for the atlantic, bluntly titled, the Constitution Prohibits Trump from ever being president again. And then they appeared on the show at the time of the publication to explain their stance. Their endorsement of this idea has given the movement new momentum, as the 2024 primaries approach, with trump as the front runner for the republican nomination by a country mile. Well discussion of trumps eligibility has intensified quickly over the past month, its not the first time that the question has been raised. Just five days after the insurrection at the capitol, to Law Professors wrote an oped for the Washington Post and raise the possibility of invoking the socalled Disqualification Clause Two barred trump from Holding Office again. A month later, two former Republican Congress members, both from the state of missouri, proposed the same thing. Writing that the former president quote, poses an exponential threat to american democracy. But the exact meaning of the disqualification clause has largely been untested for the last hundred 50 years, simply because there hasnt been an insurrection or anything resembling an insurrection in the United States in that time, up until january the 6th, 2021. Frankly, theres not a lot of precedent to give definitive guidance as to how and when the disqualification clause can be properly invoked. Although, some groups have put it to the test in the two and a half years since the insurrection, and the results have been mixed. Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene faced a similar challenge to her candidacy last year, but she was ultimately not disqualified after a state Administrative Law judge ruled that there was insufficient evidence to prove that she engaged an insurrection. But last september, a group of new mexico residents successfully sued to have this man, the Otero County Commissioner kobe griffin, removed from office using the 14th Amendment as the basis of its argument at the time. Can we griffin had been convicted of participating in the capitol riots, and perhaps more importantly, that ruling was the first time that a court explicitly called the events of january 6th an insurrection. Section three of the 14th Amendment is short. Its two sentences. But its untreated ground. Because of that, it could set a new president and completely up and the 2024 president ial race, and thats why we are going to continue to follow this story very, very closely. Joining me now, steve bennett. Hes a producer for the Rachel Maddow show and an msnbc political contributor. He is also the author of the book impostors, how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. Also with us as a scott he is a Criminal Defense Attorney, a partner at reid smith lp, and the former chair of the National Bar Association. Good morning to both of you gentlemen, thank you for being with us. Steve, lets talk about this. This amendment and this particular clause of the amendment have been around for a very, very long time. Some people have been talking about it, its been hinting around dormant for a while, and poof, this thing burst on the scene and now secretaries of state all across the country are being forced to look at it. Either because the media is talking about it, or people are emailing their offices, or because theyre filing lawsuits. Tell me, as somebody who follows these stories very closely, how you see this developing. How you see thi i think its interesting to see that its not just secretaries of states that have this on the radar, All Of A Sudden donald trump has it on his radar. For the better part of the past two years, academic exercise. Theyre just shattering about these conversations online, he can blow it off. But its a great interest that over the last seven days, All Of A Sudden donald trump is taking it seriously. You seeing him denounce the lawsuits, describing it as a trick in his words. Now, this is emblematic of the fact that the conversation has fundamentally changed. It is no longer just and obstruction, there is no longer academic debate that is happening in the atlantic. Were having this this is moving to the political sphere, moving to the legal sphere, the courtroom sphere. And its getting the attention of donald trump among others, because its reaching a point where this is actually becoming a threat to his candidacy. Well, scott, as i discussed with Professor Tribe earlier in the show, he believes of all the stuff thats going on out there, this colorado case is the strongest case to emerge yet. Highlighting that the plaintiffs have standing. Thats a word with which you are very familiar, those of us who are not lawyers dont really understand. But this has been tried before in florida, and they say the voter doesnt have standing. Its not up to a random voter to decide whether or not another american citizen has the right to run for office. Talk to me about this. Theres something actually about colorado law that makes this a little more in tribes view, a little more meaty. Im sorry im going to disagree with Professor Tribe, whose books i have been trained on at howard law school. But let me just say this, i believe hes right about colorado law, because theres a specific statute that enables the public, the voters, to bring this challenge in district court. It empowers them to get a decision, and the court to give a decision. Conclusions of law or what we need here. Constitution doesnt have any guidance for us, right . And so its a living document, none of these provisions die. And so youve got to interpret it as if were in 2023, which we are. And what we usually will do is file a lawsuit, have some findings of fact by a jury or a judge, reach some conclusions of law, let the parties appeal it, get to the Supreme Court. If you get a finding of fact or a conclusion of law in the judicial system, then you can rely on that. But lets remember one last thing. In most jurisdictions, voters have standing to administratively challenge before the board of election of ethics, to throw somebody up the ballot. If youre in political competition or candidate, you can always move the person off the ballot. And thats whats really powerful about colorado. You can do this in many other jurisdictions, simply through the administrative process that then you can go through the process, and get a final decision from the Supreme Court. This is a really important that we need to look closely at and stay focused on. Steve, in a testament to what scott has just been trying to explain and was trying to explain, there is so little president out there. And we dont really know how to make sense of it. This very week there was a moment when Donald Trumps lawyers, who have been trying to get this removed from colorado because they thought it was disadvantageous for this case to be heard in colorado, they wanted it to be moved to Federal Court. They then reversed their position on it and realize they didnt have the standing to do so. So, there are two points here. Its unprecedented. Number two, one of the points that Laurence Tribe makes is that its not a criminal statute. Hes not gonna be indicted for this, hes not going to jail. This is a qualification. Its a rule. The same rule that says you have to be 35 years of age, or you have to be an american born person to run for president. The argument here is that hes disqualified from being president , not that hes committed any crime or is subject to any legal proceeding. Right. And i think thats an important point, because it leads to the effect that trump doesnt quite know what to say. Were not a point where he is pushing back against he realizes that theres a threat. He realizes that this is a conversation thats moving beyond academia. At the same time, hes pushing back in such a way to suggest he doesnt know what to do with this threat. We see him lashing out wildly at people like Andrew Weissmann and others, where he does a lot of namecalling. We see him denouncing them and begged terms. But at the same time, were now seeing a legal argument. Were not seeing a political or a policy argument. We dont know what to say. Although he recognizes the seriousness of the threat. Hes ultimately, if these lawsuits succeed, is he even eligible for the presidency . Is he eligible for the ballots . And the answer would be no. Scott, interesting point. Theres a couple things in this. I really just implore everybody to read your constitution generally, but read this 14th Amendment and read that clause. Donald trump continues to show support for people who have either been convicted of taking part in the January 6th Insurrection, or are currently being prosecuted. Thats actually part of the clause. Giving aid and comfort to those who have done so. He remains entirely unrepentant about those actions, he called at one point, you all remember, we must forget these things. He called for the constitution to be terminated. It lasted about a day. He said he didnt say it, except he posted it so we could see that he said it. If one is evaluating whether donald trump is sort of squishy on insurrection, its his own words that will be used again him that administrative hearing. Yeah, i think youre right about that. And maybe he takes the stand, maybe he doesnt. But this is going to be a fact finding mission, and the judge and the court or going to have to reach a conclusion. Showing support through his First Amendment, for people who attacked the capitol, that may be disgusting and ridiculous, but hes got a First Amendment to do that. Whats more important is it did his words drive that insurrection, and his subsequent support. , those are positive facts for the plaintiffs in that colonial case that in fact hes engaged in support. But the constitution doesnt give us any guidelines to enforce it. A judicial decision has to be made, whether its by a judge or jury, to enforce that. But remember one thing. The power of this approach in regards to the colorado, and keeping him off the balls, is even more powerful than the criminal piece, because it can be more efficient. But heres what we should be paying attention to. Donald trump doesnt have a campaign. His criminal prosecutions are his campaign, and his criminal prosecutions a part of this political process. If he gets off the ballot, thats even more powerful than him being criminally convicted, which is why this lawsuit in colorado, and there will be others around the country, are what we really ought to be watching. Because if he is not off the ballot, then he cant be elected. If you cant be elected, is a political fundraising and he becomes irrelevant. Although he will continue to be in the process, of course. That is why this topic is so important. Thanks to both of you guys. We appreciate it. Msnbc political contributor, he is the author of the impostors, how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. A scott bolden is a Criminal Defense Attorney and former chair of the National Bar Association pack. Up next, according to the twice impeached quadruple indicted president , we are living in up in a republic. Why the former president s use of the term to describe the United States is as dangerous as it is ironic. Plus, the Climate Crisis is now preventing some homeowners from getting insurance. And, alabamas Attorney General is a sorting in court that he has the unilateral power to prosecute anyone in his state who helps anyone else obtain a legal abortion, outside alabama. A. You dont have to take it to the dealer. Bring it to safelite. We do more replacements and recalibrations than anyone else. Customer thank you so much. Tech vo schedule now. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace ever notice how stiff clothes can feel rough on your skin . For softer clothes that are gentle on your skin, try downy free gentle downy will soften your clothes without dyes or perfumes. The towel washed with downy is softer, and gentler on your skin. Try downy free gentle. rsv can be a dangerous virus. [sneeze]. For those 60 and older. Its not just a cold. And if youre 60 or older. You may be at increased risk of hospitalization. [coughing]. From this highly. Contagious virus. Not all dangers come with warning labels. Talk to your pharmacist or doctor. About getting vaccinated against rsv today. Now subways slicing their ham fresh. Like on the new grand slam ham. Piled high with double the cheese and more meat. Id like to tackle one of these after a game. Quarterbacks cant tackle anything mlb chooses tmobile for business for 5g solutions. To not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. Nows the time to see what americas largest 5g network can do for your business. Age is just a number, and mines unlisted. Try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for Muscle Health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. Boost® high protein. Now available in cinnabon® bakeryinspired flavor. Learn more at boost. Com tv start your day with nature made. The 1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. Nice footwork. The 1man, youre lucky,ended watching live sports never used to be this easy. Now you can stream all your games like its nothing. Yes [ cheers ] yeah woho running up and down that field looks tough. Its a pitch. Get way more into what youre into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. Every day, businesses everywhere are asking is it possible . With comcast business. It is. Is it possible to use predictive monitoring to address Rescue Workers<\/a> are here now. These helicopters are coming in to pick up either survivors, or bodies and to take them away two major hospitals in cities that havent been so badly affected. Theyre also running from here, into the remote villages that are still completely cut off by road. Theyve done a remarkable job, at actually getting the road open as far as we are. It took a long time and it is quite scary because its quite clear the wrong could happen if there was another trump. Or it could come back down. This is another house and Apartment Block<\/a> that has been completely flattened. It was here that we saw the body of that young woman i mentioned, being taken away. Theyve got in some cutting gear, theyre obviously trying to get in under what looks like a floor. Its actually the roof of the building thats just come straight down. And theyre just trying to get underneath. Occasionally, it goes a very quiet and they say hold on. Theyre trying to see if somebody is alive. I have to say, when theyre doing this and thats moving rubble, debris, when they try to move the building, its probably pretty certain that whoever is in there has not made it. Is not alive. Its difficult to see, as i said before, in this particular area, how anyone would really stand any chance. Its fair to say many didnt. You look around parts of the town as well, its not just this is sort of a ridge line that lead down to the valley floor. That basically collapsed. This is where houses were. This isnt the edge of a cliff, this is just part of the town. But its just completely slipped down. And then further up, you can see here, this was a major administrative building. A supermarket there as you can see. They just turned completely into trouble. This rescue effort, its going to go on for a long time. Id say its a Recovery Effort<\/a> now, for many people. But there is still hope. But that hope is really running out. Theyve only got a few days, the golden days. Theres only two or three, maybe four. Sometimes in earthquakes you get an amazing discovery of somebody whos been able to survive, but its very hot here, theres no rain due. And so i think if theyre not found in the next day or two, then there will be no hope. Thousands of people have died. Yeah, that was sky news chief correspondent stewart ramsey. Turning now to the latest news in the fastmoving effort to challenge Donald Trumps<\/a> eligibility for the presidency. One month ago, the idea that Section Three<\/a> of the 14th Amendment<\/a> could disqualify the twice impeached multi indicted failed former president from Holding Public<\/a> office again was mostly just a discussion topic, debated among legal scholars. But now, six voters in colorado have filed a Lawsuit Seeking<\/a> to remove trump from the states ballots for the upcoming president ial election, alleging that his role in the January 6th Insurrection<\/a> makes him ineligible for public office. Its a case that the revered legal scholar at harvard university, called, the strongest of the suits filed to compel secretaries of state to apply the 14th Amendment<\/a> disqualification clause to trump. Professor tribe and his colleague, the retired former federal judge Jay Michael Luttig<\/a> helped to bring this topic to the forefront of the public consciousness about three weeks ago, after they cowrote a widely read police for the atlantic, bluntly titled, the Constitution Prohibits Trump<\/a> from ever being president again. And then they appeared on the show at the time of the publication to explain their stance. Their endorsement of this idea has given the movement new momentum, as the 2024 primaries approach, with trump as the front runner for the republican nomination by a country mile. Well discussion of trumps eligibility has intensified quickly over the past month, its not the first time that the question has been raised. Just five days after the insurrection at the capitol, to Law Professors<\/a> wrote an oped for the Washington Post<\/a> and raise the possibility of invoking the socalled Disqualification Clause Two<\/a> barred trump from Holding Office<\/a> again. A month later, two former Republican Congress<\/a> members, both from the state of missouri, proposed the same thing. Writing that the former president quote, poses an exponential threat to american democracy. But the exact meaning of the disqualification clause has largely been untested for the last hundred 50 years, simply because there hasnt been an insurrection or anything resembling an insurrection in the United States<\/a> in that time, up until january the 6th, 2021. Frankly, theres not a lot of precedent to give definitive guidance as to how and when the disqualification clause can be properly invoked. Although, some groups have put it to the test in the two and a half years since the insurrection, and the results have been mixed. Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor<\/a> greene faced a similar challenge to her candidacy last year, but she was ultimately not disqualified after a state Administrative Law<\/a> judge ruled that there was insufficient evidence to prove that she engaged an insurrection. But last september, a group of new mexico residents successfully sued to have this man, the Otero County Commissioner<\/a> kobe griffin, removed from office using the 14th Amendment<\/a> as the basis of its argument at the time. Can we griffin had been convicted of participating in the capitol riots, and perhaps more importantly, that ruling was the first time that a court explicitly called the events of january 6th an insurrection. Section three of the 14th Amendment<\/a> is short. Its two sentences. But its untreated ground. Because of that, it could set a new president and completely up and the 2024 president ial race, and thats why we are going to continue to follow this story very, very closely. Joining me now, steve bennett. Hes a producer for the Rachel Maddow<\/a> show and an msnbc political contributor. He is also the author of the book impostors, how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. Also with us as a scott he is a Criminal Defense Attorney<\/a>, a partner at reid smith lp, and the former chair of the National Bar Association<\/a>. Good morning to both of you gentlemen, thank you for being with us. Steve, lets talk about this. This amendment and this particular clause of the amendment have been around for a very, very long time. Some people have been talking about it, its been hinting around dormant for a while, and poof, this thing burst on the scene and now secretaries of state all across the country are being forced to look at it. Either because the media is talking about it, or people are emailing their offices, or because theyre filing lawsuits. Tell me, as somebody who follows these stories very closely, how you see this developing. How you see thi i think its interesting to see that its not just secretaries of states that have this on the radar, All Of A Sudden<\/a> donald trump has it on his radar. For the better part of the past two years, academic exercise. Theyre just shattering about these conversations online, he can blow it off. But its a great interest that over the last seven days, All Of A Sudden<\/a> donald trump is taking it seriously. You seeing him denounce the lawsuits, describing it as a trick in his words. Now, this is emblematic of the fact that the conversation has fundamentally changed. It is no longer just and obstruction, there is no longer academic debate that is happening in the atlantic. Were having this this is moving to the political sphere, moving to the legal sphere, the courtroom sphere. And its getting the attention of donald trump among others, because its reaching a point where this is actually becoming a threat to his candidacy. Well, scott, as i discussed with Professor Tribe<\/a> earlier in the show, he believes of all the stuff thats going on out there, this colorado case is the strongest case to emerge yet. Highlighting that the plaintiffs have standing. Thats a word with which you are very familiar, those of us who are not lawyers dont really understand. But this has been tried before in florida, and they say the voter doesnt have standing. Its not up to a random voter to decide whether or not another american citizen has the right to run for office. Talk to me about this. Theres something actually about colorado law that makes this a little more in tribes view, a little more meaty. Im sorry im going to disagree with Professor Tribe<\/a>, whose books i have been trained on at howard law school. But let me just say this, i believe hes right about colorado law, because theres a specific statute that enables the public, the voters, to bring this challenge in district court. It empowers them to get a decision, and the court to give a decision. Conclusions of law or what we need here. Constitution doesnt have any guidance for us, right . And so its a living document, none of these provisions die. And so youve got to interpret it as if were in 2023, which we are. And what we usually will do is file a lawsuit, have some findings of fact by a jury or a judge, reach some conclusions of law, let the parties appeal it, get to the Supreme Court<\/a>. If you get a finding of fact or a conclusion of law in the judicial system, then you can rely on that. But lets remember one last thing. In most jurisdictions, voters have standing to administratively challenge before the board of election of ethics, to throw somebody up the ballot. If youre in political competition or candidate, you can always move the person off the ballot. And thats whats really powerful about colorado. You can do this in many other jurisdictions, simply through the administrative process that then you can go through the process, and get a final decision from the Supreme Court<\/a>. This is a really important that we need to look closely at and stay focused on. Steve, in a testament to what scott has just been trying to explain and was trying to explain, there is so little president out there. And we dont really know how to make sense of it. This very week there was a moment when Donald Trumps<\/a> lawyers, who have been trying to get this removed from colorado because they thought it was disadvantageous for this case to be heard in colorado, they wanted it to be moved to Federal Court<\/a>. They then reversed their position on it and realize they didnt have the standing to do so. So, there are two points here. Its unprecedented. Number two, one of the points that Laurence Tribe<\/a> makes is that its not a criminal statute. Hes not gonna be indicted for this, hes not going to jail. This is a qualification. Its a rule. The same rule that says you have to be 35 years of age, or you have to be an american born person to run for president. The argument here is that hes disqualified from being president , not that hes committed any crime or is subject to any legal proceeding. Right. And i think thats an important point, because it leads to the effect that trump doesnt quite know what to say. Were not a point where he is pushing back against he realizes that theres a threat. He realizes that this is a conversation thats moving beyond academia. At the same time, hes pushing back in such a way to suggest he doesnt know what to do with this threat. We see him lashing out wildly at people like Andrew Weissmann<\/a> and others, where he does a lot of namecalling. We see him denouncing them and begged terms. But at the same time, were now seeing a legal argument. Were not seeing a political or a policy argument. We dont know what to say. Although he recognizes the seriousness of the threat. Hes ultimately, if these lawsuits succeed, is he even eligible for the presidency . Is he eligible for the ballots . And the answer would be no. Scott, interesting point. Theres a couple things in this. I really just implore everybody to read your constitution generally, but read this 14th Amendment<\/a> and read that clause. Donald trump continues to show support for people who have either been convicted of taking part in the January 6th Insurrection<\/a>, or are currently being prosecuted. Thats actually part of the clause. Giving aid and comfort to those who have done so. He remains entirely unrepentant about those actions, he called at one point, you all remember, we must forget these things. He called for the constitution to be terminated. It lasted about a day. He said he didnt say it, except he posted it so we could see that he said it. If one is evaluating whether donald trump is sort of squishy on insurrection, its his own words that will be used again him that administrative hearing. Yeah, i think youre right about that. And maybe he takes the stand, maybe he doesnt. But this is going to be a fact finding mission, and the judge and the court or going to have to reach a conclusion. Showing support through his First Amendment<\/a>, for people who attacked the capitol, that may be disgusting and ridiculous, but hes got a First Amendment<\/a> to do that. Whats more important is it did his words drive that insurrection, and his subsequent support. , those are positive facts for the plaintiffs in that colonial case that in fact hes engaged in support. But the constitution doesnt give us any guidelines to enforce it. A judicial decision has to be made, whether its by a judge or jury, to enforce that. But remember one thing. The power of this approach in regards to the colorado, and keeping him off the balls, is even more powerful than the criminal piece, because it can be more efficient. But heres what we should be paying attention to. Donald trump doesnt have a campaign. His criminal prosecutions are his campaign, and his criminal prosecutions a part of this political process. If he gets off the ballot, thats even more powerful than him being criminally convicted, which is why this lawsuit in colorado, and there will be others around the country, are what we really ought to be watching. Because if he is not off the ballot, then he cant be elected. If you cant be elected, is a political fundraising and he becomes irrelevant. Although he will continue to be in the process, of course. That is why this topic is so important. Thanks to both of you guys. We appreciate it. Msnbc political contributor, he is the author of the impostors, how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. A scott bolden is a Criminal Defense Attorney<\/a> and former chair of the National Bar Association<\/a> pack. Up next, according to the twice impeached quadruple indicted president , we are living in up in a republic. Why the former president s use of the term to describe the United States<\/a> is as dangerous as it is ironic. Plus, the Climate Crisis<\/a> is now preventing some homeowners from getting insurance. And, alabamas Attorney General<\/a> is a sorting in court that he has the unilateral power to prosecute anyone in his state who helps anyone else obtain a legal abortion, outside alabama. A. You dont have to take it to the dealer. Bring it to safelite. We do more replacements and recalibrations than anyone else. Customer thank you so much. Tech vo schedule now. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace ever notice how stiff clothes can feel rough on your skin . For softer clothes that are gentle on your skin, try downy free gentle downy will soften your clothes without dyes or perfumes. The towel washed with downy is softer, and gentler on your skin. Try downy free gentle. rsv can be a dangerous virus. [sneeze]. For those 60 and older. Its not just a cold. And if youre 60 or older. You may be at increased risk of hospitalization. [coughing]. From this highly. Contagious virus. Not all dangers come with warning labels. Talk to your pharmacist or doctor. About getting vaccinated against rsv today. Now subways slicing their ham fresh. Like on the new grand slam ham. Piled high with double the cheese and more meat. Id like to tackle one of these after a game. Quarterbacks cant tackle anything mlb chooses tmobile for business for 5g solutions. To not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. Nows the time to see what americas largest 5g network can do for your business. Age is just a number, and mines unlisted. Try boost\u00ae high protein with 20 grams of protein for Muscle Health<\/a> versus 16 grams in ensure\u00ae high protein. Boost\u00ae high protein. Now available in cinnabon\u00ae bakeryinspired flavor. Learn more at boost. Com tv start your day with nature made. The 1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. Nice footwork. The 1man, youre lucky,ended watching live sports never used to be this easy. Now you can stream all your games like its nothing. Yes [ cheers ] yeah woho running up and down that field looks tough. Its a pitch. Get way more into what youre into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. Every day, businesses everywhere are asking is it possible . With comcast business. It is. Is it possible to use predictive monitoring to address Operations Issues<\/a> . We can help with that. Can we provide health care virtually anywhere . We can help with that, too. Is it possible to survey foot traffic across all of our locations . Yeah absolutely. With the advanced connectivity and intelligence of global secure networking from comcast business. This past week, donald trump its not just possible. Its happening. Posted on his side truth social, quote, the Crooked Joe Biden<\/a> campaign has thrown so many indictments and lawsuits against me, that republicans are already talking about what were going to do to biden, and the communists, when its our turn. Theyve started a whole new a Banana Republic<\/a> way of thinking about political campaign. So cheap and dirty. But thats where america is right now. Be careful what you wish for. Its nothing new for trump to threaten retaliation, and quiet on fairness. Although we shouldnt become immune to his threats of revenge. But his accusation that the United States<\/a> is becoming a Banana Republic<\/a> is noteworthy. The term Banana Republic<\/a> was first point by the author of henry, 120 years ago in his book, cabbages and kings. Which focused on a fictional country that he called the republic of and jericka. It was loosely based on his experience living in honduras during a time when that countrys economy was almost completely dependent on the export of bananas, to the United States<\/a>. You cant really talk about the modern meaning of the term without acknowledging its history. It reflects the effect that the fruit trade specifically the export of bananas, from central and south america to United States<\/a> in the late 18th and early 1900s, had on latin america. Many of these countries, including honduras, costa rica, they quickly became reliant on the export of bananas for the vast majority of their economy. These single Export Economies<\/a> were incredibly susceptible to corruption, and outside influence by trade interests of the u. S. Based Companies Like<\/a> that united fruit company, which you know now as chiquita banana. In honduras, for instance, the united fruit companys pull within the government led to election many position, misuse of power, exploitation of native workers, and even a coup led by an american banana Industry Leader<\/a> and his local alive. But overtime, the term Banana Republic<\/a> expanded beyond its more literal application of a republican controlled by the banana industry, the term Banana Republic<\/a> now describes an unstable, correct government susceptible to corporate or foreign influence. Often involving misuse of military and executive power. In claiming that the indictments against him inherently make the United States<\/a> a quote, Banana Republic<\/a>, trump is incorrectly by the way saying that any kind of accountability that reaches the highest office of the land is in sickly corrupt. But really, its quite the opposite. The indictments that trump faces all voted on by a jury of his peers, demonstrates that in america, no one actually is above the law. Accountability at the highest levels of government is a positive thing. Its a sign of a healthy republic. And many of our most respected allies across the globe have helped their top leaders accountable in recent history. My colleague who was just talking with me compiled a list last month. Italy prosecuted of former prime minister, prince south africa prosecuted a former president. South korea prosecuted of former president. Brazil has prosecuted more than one former president. Israel has prosecuted more than one former prime minister, and it is right now attempting to prosecute the current prime minister. Germany prosecuted a former president. Portugal prosecuted of former prime minister, croatia prosecuted at former prime minister. As recently as june, nicola sturgeon, the former head of the Scottish Government<\/a> was arrested on allegations of financial misconduct. And a study conducted last year by Lagrange University<\/a> in georgia review nearly 250 cases over the last 50 years of countries that held their leaders to account for alleged misconduct. Including indictments, arrests, and imprisonment. And that study found that based on measurements determined by freedom house, an organization that measures freedom and democracy, the vast majority of those nations became more free. But, if you want to dig into it, i can tell you what does have the flavor of a quote, Banana Republic<\/a>. Misusing the military to escort him for a photo op at st. Johns church in d. C. , while Peaceful Protesters<\/a> marched in response to the murder of george floyd. Or claiming quote, total authority over federal Law Enforcement<\/a> and then using it to target political enemies. Or pressuring a foreign ally, ukraine, to investigate domestic political rivals. Or undermining the very institutions of our democracy, eroding the publics faith in our elections, repeatedly lying to the public about election fraud. Or, even implicitly influencing followers to threaten election workers. To manipulate and disenfranchise voters who disagree with him. And now, vowing revenge on his political enemies if he is return to office. Because in his words, quote, they are doing it to us. That is Donald Trumps<\/a> been in a republic. A republic. josh allen another amazing plan, backing away from here very slowly. fan 1 that was josh allen. fan 2 mmhm. vo Football Season<\/a> is here. Get nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv on us. A 449 value. Plus, get a free Samsung Galaxy<\/a> z flip5. Only on verizon. Looking for a smarter way to mop . Introducing the new swiffer powermop. An allinone Cleaning Tool<\/a> that gives you a mop and bucket clean in half the time. 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From oakland to sactown the bay area and back down cali is where they put their mack down, give me love shake, shake it, baby shake it, Cali Oooooooooooh<\/a> california love the United Nations<\/a> has issued yet another stark warning to the world, globally our opportunity to stave off the worst consequences of Climate Change<\/a> is quote, rapidly narrowing window. The u. N. Secretary general antonio said on wednesday, quote, our planet has just endured a season of simmering, the hottest summer on record. Climate breakdown has begun. He added our climate is imploding faster than we can cope, with extreme weather events hitting every corner of the planet. The evidence for this is everywhere. Wildfires, extreme storms, prolonged drought followed by torrential deluges, flash flooding, climate fuel disasters. Theyre costing lives, livelihoods, and lots and lots of money. The cost of Natural Disasters<\/a> has been increasingly significant for decades. According to the National Oceanic<\/a> and atmospheric administration, the average yearly cost of major disasters has more than quadrupled over the last four decades. In 2022, major Natural Disasters<\/a> caused the United States<\/a> about 177 Billion Dollars<\/a> in damages, and insurers dont want to take the heat. Analysis of data from lexus nexus Risk Solutions<\/a> found at the average price of Home Insurance<\/a> has risen by 21 nation wide, since 2015. Which translates to hundreds of dollars more on the average homeowners premium. In some states, the average increase is much higher. In florida, the price of insurance policies rose an average of almost 60 since 2015. In texas and colorado, the cost of Home Insurance<\/a> is up about 40 . But its bigger than that. Across the country, major insurers have been rolling back the coverage that theyre willing to provide altogether. Companies have been backing out, particularly from disaster prone highrisk areas all together. And its happening all over the country. States like california and colorado, which seat disproportionately high fire risk. Florida, texas, and louisiana, who see increasingly high storm risk. They are losing insurers left and right. The impact can be devastating. Most americans cannot afford to rebuild their homes out of pocket if disaster strikes. As a result, more and more americans are turning to state funded insurance. Its also known as insurance of last resort, because the policies are quite expensive and they tend to be reserved for homes in areas that are otherwise deemed an insurable. In florida, many Smaller Insurance Companies<\/a> have gone bankrupt in the last two years alone. Many of them citing increasingly damaging storms as the catalyst. This summer, aaa said it would not renew policies for its high risk customers. Farmers insurance joined the list of major insurers that will stop offering new policies in florida altogether. And they will not renew thousands of existing policies. The states last resort insurers expected to have more customers in 2023 than in the last two decades, because of the quote, continued instability within the florida insurance market, and quote. Following Hurricane Ian<\/a> last fall. And in louisiana, Louisiana State<\/a> University Study<\/a> recently found that 17 of policyholders said their home insurer canceled their coverage in 2022. Early the summer, many of the top insurers in california, one by one announced they would simply stop selling new policies to homeowners. As disaster risk skyrockets, and as insurers reassess the risk theyre willing to take on in all 50 american states, americans are left with dwindling opportunities to protect themselves and their homes. I want to talk about this some more. Joining me now is dave jones. He is a former california insurance commissioner, and the director of the Climate Risk Initiative<\/a> at Uc Berkeley Center<\/a> for law, energy, and the environment. David, thank you so much for joining us. This is not an abstract climate discussion, right . The Vic Ramaswamy<\/a> said something about the climate agenda is a hoax or something. Okay, talk to the people in texas. In florida, in louisiana, in colorado and california. Literally just regular people who gets a notice to say your insurance isnt being renewed, or we are leaving your state. This is Climate Change<\/a> where the rubber hits the road. Thats right. This is real, its happening, its been happening for sometime. Its only getting worse as Climate Change<\/a> accelerates. And as you said in the league in, increasingly throughout the United States<\/a>, homeowners, businesses, renters are finding it difficult to afford insurance, let alone find insurance. And whats happening in texas, and louisiana, florida, and colorado, is just the canary in the coal mine in terms of the geographies differ in terms of the kinds of perils they face, but for example, this past year in the midwest, heavy rains resulted in about 40 Billion Dollars<\/a> in losses. Vermont, which is thought about as a climate refuge, suffered incredible flooding and losses. The new england coast is also subject to increasing and frequent storms, which are causing damage and causing insurers to become increasingly challenging to find. So we are marching steadily towards an untroubled future, because of Climate Change<\/a>. Dave, obviously the bigger question here is where i started this conversation. And that is we all have to understand the climate risk and the things that need to be done on a policy level at the state level, at the federal level, All Around The World<\/a> to combat Climate Change<\/a>. But on this particular front, is there anything that my viewer can do . I mean, how do you combat this particular issue . Is there something that should be done to make sure that americans remain insured in the case of a Climate Disaster<\/a> . Yeah, of course, you have to start with whats driving this increased risk, and whats causing insurers to jack up the rates and pull out of markets across the United States<\/a>. And that is Climate Change<\/a>. We need to do more to stop using fossil fuels, to electrify buildings, to move towards electric transportation. Theres a lot that you have discussed in prior shows that we need to accomplish, and we need to accomplish it faster. Thats where we need to start. Second, there are some things insurers can do. Insurers are investing about 500 to 9 Billion Dollars<\/a> in oil, gas, and coal and other Greenhouse Gas<\/a> producing industries. They stop those investments, because thats contributing to the problem. Insurers also ensure fossil fuel enterprises, which is contributing to the problem as well. We also need to make more investments in nature based approaches to reduce risk. Theres tremendous Empirical Evidence<\/a> that, for example, using prescribed fire and ecological funding in our forests in the west can dramatically reduce the severity of wildfires. And the Biden Infrastructure Bill<\/a> had about Five Billion Dollars<\/a> to do this very thing across federal lands. Californias Governor Club<\/a> out Two Billion Dollars<\/a> towards management. But we need to get that money deployed, we need to manage those forests and back down that risk. And then another big factor here is getting insurers to recognize that risk reduction. Theyre not currently doing that, with regard to their rates. So naturebased approaches which include replanting salt marshes on the coast, using improved methods to deal with controlling flooding in the midwest, including levee setbacks, bypasses, replanting mangroves, all of these demonstrably approve our car biloxi to sustain reduce risk. But we also need insurance to recognize those models, and theyre not currently doing so. Dave, i think you just suggested about six more segments that we need to do on this particular issue, because this is going to become very if its not already real to you and all the states weve named, its real to a lot of americans. Its going to become very soon. Thank you. Dave jones is the director of the Climate Risk Initiative<\/a> at Uc Berkeley Center<\/a> for law, energy, and the environment. We want to hear from you. If youre one of these people who had your insurance canceled because of climaterelated things, send me an email at my story at velshi. Com. I want to hear your story. 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Last Years Supreme Court<\/a> ruling in jobs versus Jackson Womens Health<\/a> organization, which got at the constitutional right to abortion, came with Justice Brett<\/a> kavanaughs assurance that women in states with Abortion Bans<\/a> could simply travel to another state for the procedure. It was an attempt to make the removal of a fundamental right sound more like an inconvenience. But it wasnt just spin, it was alive. One that deliberately ignored a fundamental reality about the abortion battle in this country, and the goal of the antiabortion movement. Because it was never truly about states rights, as subsequent developments have made painfully clear. As the Washington Post<\/a>s marcus put it, it was and will be about depriving woman of the choice to control their own bodies by any means necessary. And quote. Republicans continue to underscore the streets with increasingly restrictive measures that infringe on a womans bodily autonomy. The newest face in this Antiabortion Crusade<\/a> is taking place in alabama, a state we visited in the immediate aftermath of the fall of roe, as it immediately became one of the most extreme antiabortion regimes in the country. The new assault is being led by alabamas Attorney General<\/a> steve marshall. Alabamas already enforcing one of the nations strictest Abortion Bans<\/a>, including in cases of rape and incest. But that is apparently not enough. Marshall is now asserting his right to criminally prosecute those who assist woman in traveling to other states for abortions. Marshall contends that aiding woman in a planning out of State Abortions<\/a> could potentially constitute a quote, criminal conspiracy, and quote under alabama law. It does not matter to him whether the abortion would be legal in the state where its performed. In a recent court filing, marshals states unelected abortion performed in alabama would be a criminal defense, does a conspiracy formed in the state to have that same act performed outside of the state is illegal. Marshall is facing federal lawsuits filed by abortion rights supporters, who provide funding and assistance for out of State Abortions<\/a>. And while the notion of policing moments travel may seem far fetched and dystopian, Reproductive Health<\/a> experts say the legal landscape is less clear cut. Mary ziegler, on abortion law expert, writes, quote, at first it seemed like an empty threat meant to intimidate Abortion Seekers<\/a> who may have otherwise exercise the right to travel. But the law is a mess when it comes to whether criminal laws like alabamas can apply extra territorially, not least because states have not tried to police what happens in other jurisdictions since the civil war. That makes this threat deadly serious, and quote. The two lawsuits against marshall stem from remarks that he made during a Radio Interview<\/a> in which he characterized assistance for out of State Abortion<\/a> as potentially criminally actionable. The two cases now consolidated into one argue that Marshals Threat<\/a> of prosecution violates the constitutional guarantee of due process, freedom of speech, and the right to travel. Marshall is currently seeking to have the lawsuit dismissed, with a hearing scheduled for this upcoming tuesday to consider his motion. After a quick break, im going to be joined by two of the best possible people to provide context on this alarming case. The aforementioned legal historian and abortion law expert very ziegler, and robbyn marty, the executive director of the west alabama Womans Center<\/a> and a party to the lawsuit against the states Attorney General<\/a>. N. 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With the advanced connectivity and intelligence of global secure networking from comcast business. In the days after the fall its not just possible. Its happening. Of roe, we really thought about where were going to go to get the most full story about what is going to come in america. If you want a taste of post roe america, look at alabama. It is considering prosecuting anyone who helps a person get an abortion, in another state. For more on that, im joined by mary ziegler, a professor and historian at Uc Davis Law School<\/a> and the author of roe, the history of a national obsession. Also joined by robin the Operations Director<\/a> of the West Alabama Woman<\/a> center, author of the new handbook for a post roe america. Hello to you both of you, thank you for being here. Mary, i want to understand this better. Correct me if im wrong, but courts have historically allowed prosecution for speech that facilitates a crime, when its likely to result in an imminent criminal act. Talk to be about this abortion thing, because if youre going somewhere else where the abortion would not be a criminal act, how does alabama think it can prosecute people within the state for it . Well, part of the problem is that different courts have taken a different approach. The imminent act approach is really the ninth circuit. There are other circuits that have allowed more prosecutions for what they consider private facilitating conduct. And then there is the more fundamental question about who gets to decide whether its a crime, right . Because if youre traveling to a state like california or illinois or massachusetts, and abortion is a protected right, its not a crime. So were dealing with an area where theres a lot of gray area, a lot of uncertainty in a very conservative Supreme Court<\/a> thats going to be resolving that. Lets talk about this. You and i have had many conversations about how the fall of row and the many manifestations of attempts by the Attorney General<\/a> in alabama have had an impact on your work. How does this further have an impact on your work, when someone comes to you and says i need an abortion . Its an impossible situation for us right now. We never wanted to be a test case of anything. We just want to be able to give the best Health Care Weekend<\/a> to people who no longer have any options. And so when i have a patient who is calling up the clinic and saying im a mother of small children, i need an abortion, where can i go . And the staff says, i cant tell you that, can you just come in here and we can at least see how pregnant you are, we get people who say no, you cant help me im going to wrap my car around a tree. Im going to pay someone to beat me. This is the type of call that we are receiving right now, and its breaking us. Its brace breaking our staff, and we dont have any resource right now. There are conservative activists that are increasingly pushing these socalled Trafficking Laws<\/a> to prevent women from traveling for an abortion. Its remarkable thats the language were using for women who are traveling for an abortion. Texas town has attempted to make it illegal for people to travel on certain roads through their jurisdiction if their purpose is receiving an abortion. This is kind of handmaids tale stuff, right . Where in america or you stopped at a road because of your intent to get to the other place, unless in commission of either a federal crime or a crime over State Borders<\/a> . Yeah, i mean, i think this is the second life of texas some people might remember the bounty ville from last year. These activists and texas or trying to use the same device, essentially to say this may be unconstitutional, but no Federal Court<\/a> is ever going to get a crack at it. And were going to kind of Outsource Enforcement<\/a> to controlling family members, husbands, angry neighbors, people who are nosy to a centrally turn on one another and bring these lawsuits. Thats actually what theyre envisioning. So this is another law that may well not be unconstitutional, but will be very impossible to bring challenges to or at least potentially possible to bring challenges to just in the same way as being i want to be very careful, robin, because of the work that you do. And you ceased to tell me anything you dont want to tell me. But back when you and i have talked there of been various ways in which youve been able to try to extend people help who are seeking an abortion. Giving them a website, telling what state they can go to to get an abortion. You have to interpret what your Attorney General<\/a> is doing in the state. Is that potentially a crime, if someone comes in and says i need an abortion, you say i can provide one under alabama law, and they say were gonna get an abortion, and you say illinois. Is that a crime . We dont do that. Under our understanding, that would be a crime. At this point, our only option is when somebody says i want an abortion, we tell them that there is a link on our website that a person can go to if they are pregnant, and that that link provides resources to everything that they could need while pregnant. So it provides resources to who can assist them in the state if they want to continue their pregnancy. It provides resources to who will help them with adoption, and then it provides resources to other websites, other links that will tell people where they can get an abortion. But thats not enough. I mean, right now orleans cape is changing so dramatically. Every few weeks. All of a sudden North Carolina<\/a> does not have abortion, South Carolina<\/a> does not have abortion after six weeks. Florida is on the edge of potentially losing abortion after six weeks. Its impossible for People Like Us<\/a> to be able to navigate and be aware of what is the most accessible place for a person to get to. How is a person who is pregnant and does not want to be pregnant and is panicked, and doesnt have the resources, and doesnt have the internet access, and doesnt have the knowledge, how are they supposed to know any of this on their own . Mary, the polling indicates that weve seen this in all of these referendums that are being held in various states. Whether its antiabortion activists putting it forward or abortion rights activists putting it forward. Its always the same. Americans dont want infringements on their bodily autonomy, whether your democratic or republican. This business about Travel Banning<\/a> and getting people in trouble for things they do in other states where its not illegal, i cant imagine this is popular. How is it succeeding . How is it succeeding . Four well, this is another sign that a lot of people in the republican party, and i would say especially at the state level, are more concerned about primary challenges from the right, more concerned these voters than they are about the media and American Voters<\/a> who dont like the sort of thing. And its worth emphasizing that Travel Restrictions<\/a> are among the most unpopular things that folks in the antiabortion are proposing. This is right up there with exceptions that dont bands that dont contain any exceptions at all. So this is something that reflects the interests of a party that isnt that concerned about what most people believe when it comes to abortion. And that should be concerning in and of itself. Robin, its hard for me to keep track of exactly what has happened, like whose draconian. But at one point, idaho was floating something similar about crimes that people go to another state to have an abortion performed. I had the governor of Washington State<\/a> on who said this is not how it works in this country. Idaho cannot decide about what Washington State<\/a> decides crimes are. You just mentioned that youre surrounded by a whole lot of states with Abortion Restrictions<\/a>, but is there something that will not have Abortion Restrictions<\/a> can do to help your situation or the situation of people who come to you seeking an abortion . I mean, honestly, the thing that i need people to remember is that this is coming the federal society put out some sort of blueprint for how they can get a National Abortion<\/a> ban, that is a total abortion ban. Nobody is safe anywhere, and so by helping us fight these things here on the ground in our states, it has to be in our states. It cant be in sanctuary states, it cant be in national organizations. You have to help us fight on the ground, because you want that fight here before it comes for you. Im, sorry to both of, you im sorry to keep having you on his guests and keep having these conversations. But i suspect we will for a long time. Is a Law Professor<\/a> and a historian and a Guggenheim Fellow<\/a> at Uc Davis Law School<\/a>. The author of aguero, the history of a national obsession. Robin is the operational director at the west Alabama Women Center<\/a> and the offer of new handbook for post roe america. We are gonna put those on, we will tweet both of those out by the way, and they are two really important books free to understand where we are in america right now. That does it for me, thank you for watching, good to be back here next saturday and Sunday Morning<\/a> from 10 am to noon eastern. Stay right where you, are inside, with jen psaki begins right now. Fulton county d. A. Fani willis puts another win on the board, and hits back hard against house republicans. There is really no one better to talk about all of that then prosecutor turn congressman dan goldman. He is coming up first. Plus, donald trump seems to be freaking out a little because of 14th Amendment<\/a> lawsuits trying to get him thrown off the ballot. He is even attacking a member of our inhouse law firm by name. Camille country lawn into weissmann are here for reaction to that. Also, today, what has gone into Republican Congress<\/a>man ken buck . I will ask the conservative member of the Freedom Caucus<\/a> why he is going after Marjorie Taylor<\/a> greene and speaking out against an Impeachment Inquiry<\/a> of president biden. And later. My conversation with senator amy klobuchar. 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