Barking dog and that appears to be what alerted the hostages captors to what was going on. During the firefight that then followed, u. S. Forpdss saw a militant go into the shack where the hostages were being held. It is believed that is when he shot both of the hostages, both of them died as a result of those injuries, as u. S. Forces were transporting them away. U. S. Intelligence did not know the identity of the other hostage being held with somers. He has since been identified as South African teacher pierre korkie. A char that worked with korkie says he was due to be released today. To discuss this and many of the other top stories for the week, joined by our panel, bring in democratic strategist basil smythe, jr. , political consultant and former adviser to mitt romney, cater packer gauge and msnbc correspondent, casey packer hunt. Obviously on this hostage story, we are learning the details, obviousiously a heartbreaking story, another report i know in the New York Times this morning that apparently the south
african who was being held about this american, this Charitable Group he worked with saying it had reached a dell for his freedom and obviously, that was destroyed by all this, too. Another piece in it as well. Just goes to show you i think that there was a failed mission a couple of weeks ago. All of these captors that isis has right now, the attempts to get them out, just how difficult it is to get any of these people back. And the Obama Administration has announced that they are going to review u. S. Hostage policy, in part, because they have faced some criticism from the families of the people who have been held hostage and ultimately killed by isis and other groups much the one thing that the americans say they are not gonna change is whether or not they will pay ransom for a hostage and it sounds like from that preliminary reporting from the New York Times that the south African Group had actually paid a ransom or had been willing to and that he was set to be release and that you know, we didnt know that, the americans didnt know that when they went in. And all these isis stories, so many europeans held, yet
these european governments, a lot of them dont admit it publicly, but privately, they pay the ransons and they get their people out. Here of in the United States talked about the policy before, from the standpoint, wouldnt want to pay ran as soon as, the issues of the families, hey if the government doesnt want to pay it fine, cant i raise the money, cant i get my kid out, get my sop, my dur out . Right. And there are legal issues there as well, but its hard to tell a family that you cannot do that. It should be noted that as failed missions are not unusual, unfortunately, it goes took at least 1980 a mission in iran to free the hostages. Are they changing tactics, not killed hostages before in this way. Are they changing their tactic that may suggest we need to as well . If its a response to isis. I think it does speak to a
as the San Francisco chronicle reports, minutes before the police disbursed the crowd, several concerts let out downtown, several Concert Gears waiting to neigh a nearby Parking Garage were sent running for cover. President obama this morning talking with b. E. T. Net workers about this recent unrest in america. As painful as these incidents are, we cant equate what is happening now to what was happening 50 years ago and if you talk to parents, grandpar t grandparents, uncles, they will tell you that, you know, things are better, not good in some cases but better. Typically, progress is in steps, its in increments, you know, youre dealing with something as deeply rooted as racism or bias in any society, you got to have vigilance but recognize that its going to take some time and you just have to be steady. That full interview, by the
way, will air tomorrow night, 6 p. M. On b. E. T. Basil, considering the president s role in all of this, the ferguson, decision no to go forward with the case was announced by the grand jury out there now, about two weeks ago, the president was on television within ten minutes. How have you assessed his leadership through this . I do think his leadership has been fine, he has been measured and i know there are some on the left that dont like that and conservatives dont like thats what they would say meddling in local matters. I think he has absolutely struck the right tone. What should be note it had is an be a sect failure of branches of government, particularly the judicial system and i think what what needs to happen Going Forward is that the president should, i know there is a federal investigation, should address the the actual issue here which are failures in Criminal Justice. This is going to impact also his nominee, loretta lynch, to the Attorney General post. I know that she is gonna get significant questions on how she
would go forward on some of these issues, but i think his tone was appropriate. I think he handled it fine. But we are waiting to see whats gonna happen with the federal investigation. Loretta lynch angle on this is really interesting, casey, because she is as the u. S. Attorney for this district involved in this case now, obviously, if she becomes the Attorney General, potentially involved in anything that doj is doing. So, that just means this the decision is made here on whether federal charges had brought against garner is going to intersect with the Confirmation Politics in the senate. Do we have a sense of how that is going to play out . Absolutely, steph. I think the one thing that distinguishes ferguson, for example, from the garner case is you saw a remarkable amount of unity coming out of capitol hill saying there maybe a miscarriage of justice in this situation. I think the facts in the ferguson case have been much more sort of muddled and argued over. There are people who feel, you know, strongly that the Police Officer maybe acted in good faith. I think in this particular case, because of the video and because of the evidence that we had,
everyone on capitol hill that i spoke to was pretty shocked that this came down the way it did and i think that while it can it has the potential to throw a wrench into her confirmation process, i think unless something particularly inflammatory happens with the investigation, theres nobody out there yet who is saying that pushing harder on this is gonna cause a problem for her. Interesting, too loretta lynch, she political jobs in a way, she knows how to play politics and she has made alliances with people you might not expect, like rudy giuliani, for instance, very supportive. She came into it in a very strong position as well. When she was first announced, there was very little opposition to her, which is gonna help her in the long run. One of the reasons she was picked. Let me ask you this, obviously, we have seen some of the initial polling after ferguson and what struck me about the polling after ferguson, we talked about this in the show a little bit yesterday, it really kind of hues to this basic partisan divide we see on almost any question and sort of the predictable groups go republican have one view of it the predictable groups that go
democratic have one view. T i hear a lot of republicans saying this bothers me, too. Havent talked to anybody who has seen that video that suspect sort of shocked by what took place and feel like feels like there was just an overwhelming amount of violence in that situation that gives people pause. But not everything is a partisan issue. What there hasnt been a lot of talk about is the medias role in all of. This the fact of the matter is the protesters shall the people talking on either side of it, they dont have all of the information that these grand juries have offered to them. Ss a little bit unfair to be secondguessing after the fact, not willing to sit down and look at the evidence the ferguson, we pretty much did get the evidence. We have it available. Im saying i dont think that too many people are actually sitting down and looking at all the evidence. Theres a lot of sort of
inflammatory reporting, in my opinion, that sort of gins this up and doesnt take the time to look at all the facts that are presented. And i do think that because of the video in the garper situation, it does seem much more clear but again, you still dont have all of the evidence that people are reviewing and poring over. But i do think what is fair and what the media has done very well is put voices on camera that are speaking to the inequities in the system and disparate treatment we are seeing in ferguson and in the eric garner case that tie those things together. Look, cliven bundy is out in the west holding off federal marshals with advanced weaponry. He and his friends are standing on bridges with Assault Rifles pointing at u. S. Maher shals but a man selling loose cigarettes gets choked to death and ten people are standing around him and are absolutely doing nothing. So, i dont think the media has
inflamed anything. I think it is it is incumbent upon all of us really in situations like this to bring a lot of those voices to the table and say, yes, this is this treatment is disproportionate it is disparate and its wrong. But the reality is that the Criminal Justice system, particularly in grand juries, you mentioned that, is where we need to have some real reform. They do not get vetted like trial jurors do and i think that needs change. All right. Mo tore get to including some interesting comments from Valerie Jarrett about members of the Obama Administration. Also, the latest on that Rolling Stone story about University Of Virginia and rape allegations. Thats next. [ female announcer ] a 3d white smile
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which may help lower cholesterol. New ensure active heart Health Supports your heart and body so you stay active and strong. Ensure, take life in. Rolling stones website right now, this morning, click on its apology for that uva rape article it is walking back from, would you find a very different letter posted there than the one the magazine first posted on friday. The magazine made major changes to that original note. The original threeparagraph one stated that Rolling Stone had misplaced its trust in jackie, The Uva Student whose claims of being raped are the center piece of the article. The new updated apology letter, the magazine accepts more blame for what happened, saying, these mistakes are on Rolling Stone, not on jackie. Rolling stone editor Will Danas Mig Match Chur is missing from the updated apology. So much to this story, Rolling Stone story, part is how they initially framed it, phrased it, like it was our mistake to trust her. We you know, its your job as a magazine to fact check everybody. If youre not gonna reach out to the supposed perpetrators of
this, that is definitely on you and not her. Im trying to figure out still what exactly went wrong here. Is this a magazine that was just they were looking for page views, for clicks, hey, we have got something sensational here is it that . A magazine that sort of had an activist edge to this and they wanted to prove something they already they believed had happened without bothering im still trying to figure out exactly how Something Like this happens, in terms of failure on a journalism level, i cant remember something this bad recently . Steve, i think for this subject in particular, its a shame that this has happened in part because it is so hard for so many of these victims to come forward. You have someone, and clearly the woman at the center of this story had something terrible and traumatic happen to her. Now the magazine is struggling to figure out which details line up right and which ones dont. That is up to them. Every time Something Like this happens it sets back the overall goal of making sure victims are believed, not written off, stories are true, so much that
goes into feel like they cant come forward because they are not going to be believed and i think that, you know this is a major journalistic sin but as will for our community as a whole as people are trying to combat sexual assault. This was a story that i have three nieces that are on colleges campuses today and it was a story when i saw it that i immediately share ready with family members, because it sort of terrifies you. To kasies point, i think it does setback the ability to get people to come forward. You know, theres a lot of things that are worrisome. I think that when a journalist makes a deal that they are not going to talk to the accused, i think thats a dangerous place to be. I think its also a Dangerous Police to be when colleges decide that they are gonna try to handle these things internally and not turn something thats felony immediately over to Law Enforcement. So all of those things, you know, sort of give you pause about this. Part of it, basil, you read how this came together, there was a point apparently in the reporting where jackie didnt
want to be part of this in i more, you know what i dont want to go down this road. Rolling stone basically strong armed her, no, we are doing this and hey this is running either way, you want to talk to us or not, we are running this either way, thats lot on Rolling Stone. And i think it specs to your point you hope it doesnt have a Chilling Effect. If a victim wants to report the story, wants to report whats happened to them, wants to go forward and talk to the police, whether the Campus Police are handling it or the local pd will be handling it, you dont want a situation where shes being forced to sort of come out and then not have control of the story of the details of the incident after that. And it looks like, you know, and i hope this doesnt happen, i hope that aring the Rolling Stone apology doesnt sort of cut off the conversation about what happened to her but you certainly dont want a Chilling EffectGoing Forward. The University Of Virginia actually in their statement, i think to their credit, said, okay, well, these questions. Coming out about this story but, you know what, this is still a
conversation we need to have. We still need to be focused on making sure that we limit or end sexual assaults on campus. For a publication like Rolling Stone, too, what do they do now, a brand name in american journals and Rolling Stone around forever. Each institution has to grapple with this. Changing this apology in some ways is a red flag, how you handle this is really if Something Like this happens, how thes handled and the aftermath says a lot about the institution, what they are committed to. So im not sure that changing your apology and not mentioning the fact that you changed your apology was yeah, the instincts, too the first apology they ran, it was just so much like trying to push
this off, oh, we got fooled, we got hoodwinked here, Something Like that. That didnt look good either. Theres a lot of these cases that occur and clearly, they gravitated toward a particularly inflammatory case because it would sell and it would cause page views and i think thats on the editorial team, you have got something so incendiary that you are, you know, crossing all the its and dotting all theisms, clearly, they didnt do that that was the thing that struck me reading it all the important sort of institutional questions about uv a, its response, the response of colleges to all of this, they are in this arm and there are important things to be raised. Almost as if they said, you know what thats not gonna get the page views what is gonna get the page views is the anecdote, we need the anecdote at the top of it, when they get into trouble and raising all the questions. Say thanks to, bass the spikele, jr. , katie packer gains. Kasie will be with us later. And anger over one ofPresident Obamas nominees from an unlikely source, his own party. Thats next. [ Inhales Deeply ] [ sighs ] [ inhales ] [ male announcer ] at cvs health, we took a deep breath. [ inhales, exhales ] [ male announcer ] and made the decision to quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. Now we invite smokers to quit, too, with our comprehensive program. We just want to help everyone, everywhere, breathe a little easier. Introducing cvs health. Because health is everything. Introducing cvs health. Ring ring . Progresso you soup people have my kids loving vegetables. Well vegetables. Shh taste better in our savory broth. Vegetables . No. Soup oh soup loaded with vegetables. Packed with taste. Because it