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china and his attacks on the head of the federal reserve. on "up," the latest on the health of the oldest supreme court justice. the latest on the impaeeachment debate. and we go to brazil where fires continue to ravage the amazon. with me in new york is matt welsh. matt wiley, and gabe debenedetti. also with us is kara lee in france covering the g7. that's where i want to start this morning. it's 2:00 in the afternoon. president trump heads into meetings with other world leaders more isolated than ever. a host of global challenges facing the president. overnight iran claiming it test fired a new missile and north korea conducting its seventh ballistic missile test. the headline in the new yo"new times" reads world leaders g7 expectations, a nice chat, some good wine, no unity with trump. as the "washington post" puts it as economic and political headwinds gather across the globe, leaders of the world's major powers are bracing themselves for a different kind of turbulent force -- president trump. there's no bigger headwind than the u.s./china trade war which escalated yesterday. >> look, china has been hurting our country for 30 years with the money they've been taking out. other presidents should have done something about it and they should have done it a long time ago. whether it was clinton, bush, obama, any of them. they should have done something about it. they didn't. i'm doing it. i have no choice. >> he's doing it with no choice. let's turn toe kara lee first. the agenda that emmanuel macron and other leaders want to talk about verses what they have to talk about because of what happened here in the u.s. and president trump over the recent days. >> yeah. david, the overall theme of the summit is supposed to be this global inequality, the gap between the wealthy and poor. that's not going to be what everyone is really talking about. you know, we've seen president trump come into the summits and be a disruptor. usually when you go to these summits, all the world leaders, even if they're not on agreement on things will try to put on a good face, agree where they can and paper over disagreements. they're not even trying to do that this time. the host of the summit, emmanuel macron of france, decided to do away with the communique, a document at the end of the summit that's usually boring but outlines various areas on which the leaders can agree. they're not trying to do that now because of the last summit in quebec, president trump refused to sign on to that communique. they're coming into it acknowledging that they are not all on the same page and hoping, i guess, to try to agree in certain areas maybe or make headway on certain issues, namely the economy. the president yesterday with his moves on china really pushed that to the forefront. it was already going to be an issue. there are a number of leaders who are worried about the u.s. trade war with china and how that's affecting their economies, particularly in europe where we've seen softening of those economies. then you have a number of world leaders worried about whether president trump will slap them with tariffs on some of their goods. these threatened that with germany on cars, france on wines. then you have iran and north korea and those issues. overall it will be focussed on the economy. and then there's a number of side conversations that will happen individually with world leaders. then there's sort of these other big national security issues to deal with too. >> carol talking about the worry that permeates that summit, mentioning the fact that the president decided not to do this communique. he said president trump won't agree. it's pointless to do. there are moments like this -- yes, this annual summit, but also the g20, other moments when world leaders get together. the role of this president, the role of the united states now comes into clearer focus. what does it tell you now? as you look and take stock in what carol was describing, the attacks on jerome powell what does it say to you about our role as a country, his role as a president in an international forum like this. >> what he's done is said as a world leader i'm actually going to back the united states out of its traditional relationships with its allies. you know, he did that when he started attacking natd t ining . he has done that -- remember in 2018 he pushed the g7 to readmit russia. he's done it again, despite the fact we've had both our intelligence community and now robert mueller saying, you know, there was more than 100 contracts between the trump campaign and russia, and plenty of reasons why all of our allies including the united states would not want russia in. as you said, to attack our own institutions and compare them negotiaatively literally to the premier of china. so he's weakened the influence of the united states globally, despite the fact we are one of the world's most powerful nations, that's creating a national security concern. i want to say one other thing that's important with regard to the fact that this was going to focus not just on the economy, but on inequality. that is actually a national security concern. it's a global national security concern, which is one of the reasons why you have to have conversations about it. one thing that trump about this week is suggest he would punish allies like france and germany by sending isis terrorists to their countries. that's the way he has tried to create relationships globally. that is not good for the country or for the world. >> matt welch, the conversation about the importance of the institutions like the g7, g8, g20, has gone on for decades. when you look at his approach to this, what does it say to you about the integrity of a multilateral institution like this, if he's going to come in and upend it, there's a gap between the rich and poor but also a gap between president trump's america and the rest of the world. >> there's a rising nationalist ti tide between the richest countries and the poorest countries, and boris johnson is there talking about brexit, if they're going to have one at all. that tide doesn't like multilateral institutions. doesn't like the world trade organization, sees that as a scam by which china secretly steals our money in front of us rather than this is the way we can impose at least some rules on the way they conduct their behavior. they don't see it that way. so this is what it says. we have a president that doesn't really have respect for that. i'm old enough to remember when conservatives used to criticize a democratic president for being mean to our allies, keeping allies at bay and supporting -- they better not bring that up again for a generation. sit one out. take a knee. this president really has every kind of criticism that you saw against barack obama by conservatives for the most part, this president not only has embodied but has tripled down on. >> carol lee this has been a krus thing that you have written about. recent years, allies have become frenemies. how has the president's inability to get along with other world leaders, to broker the kind of relationships that have bolstered the international community in the past. if you look at the way president trump approached, say, german chancellor angela merkel, he was critical of her during her campaign, that continued once he took office. there wasn't an attempt to forge a relationship there. at the last g7 summit in canada afterwards he was sharply critical of the prime minister trudeau, after that summit we saw emmanuel macron try to have this bromance with the president, he tried to forge a friendship with him, that's the language in which he felt he speaks, that is what is important to him. that fell apart. he couldn't get him to come around on the iran deal. the president withdrew from that. he withdrew from the paris climate accord, prime minister abe is another one, there's been rounds of golf, a sumo wrestling tournament, he tried to forge a relationship with president trump, that has not paid dividends for him either. now everyone is focusing on the great relationship between the new prime minister of the uk and president trump and their friendship, there's a lot of underlying issues in which they disagree. it remains to be seen whether that will be something they can move forward with as well. >> carol lee, thank you very much. appreciate the update. still ahead, the supreme court cancer scare that is worrying liberals. but first a twitter tantrum tanks markets and catches the president's own advisers off guard. off guard. chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, 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directly attributable to what the president did yesterday. we were concerned about the global economy, the u.s.'s role in the global economy. what changed yesterday? >> well, when jay powell was speaking at the fed's annual symposium in jackson hole, he hold out the possibility of an interrate red interest rate reduction to combat against global economy, then the president was out tweeting about tariffs, and that's when the market tanked and continued lower. the president during his tweet warning that he would later in the day impose further sanctions or tariffs on china. so the market sold off. >> the tweets after the market closes what will happen with these tariffs, then you get an official press release from the u.s. trade representative, which is just reprising what the president tweeted and saying as soon as possible more detail will be given as a result of this. i want to know if we'll have this trade war on christmas. there was a delay that the president imposed. >> the delay of the second round of tariffs seems still to be scheduled for december 15th. the tariffs already in place will go up as he said on october 1st from 25% to 30%. then those other tariffs on some goods will start on october 1st, on others december 15th. particularly those that will likely to be christmas gifts. >> let's go back to southwest france, this impromptu lunch taking place. let's hear what these two have to say. the global economy, our differences and fix the situation in terms of trade, because i think if we can fix a great part of the world, this is very important as well. and how to find new ways to relearn. i look at europe, we need new tools for the economy and new tax cuts. and third the digital world, how to frame this new world, obviously climate and environment is a big topic. we know the divergences in climate, but we need solutions, and i think in our conversations we will see some solutions. thanks again, mr. president, for taking this time, being here, and being a part of this. this institution will be important in the lives of france and very important and we're always happy to have you here. >> thank you. very nice of you. we look forward to it. we have a lot in common. we've been friends for a long time. every once in a while we go at it a little bit, not too much. we get along very well. we have a special relationship. we all remember the eiffel tower dinner, that was a good beginning. we have some really great things to talk about, and couldn't ask for better weather or a more beautiful location. next year we'll be hosting in the united states, that will be very good. that will be great. so far so good. the weather is perfect. the guests have been fantastic. everybody is getting along. we'll accomplish a lot this weekend. looking forward to it. thank you for having me. >> thank you, donald. >> thank you very much. >> a little bit hard to hear there. let me go through my notes. we had the french president meeting with the u.s. president. a lot of talk from emmanuel macron about the economy, needing to find new tools for the economy. he talked a bit about tax cuts, climate notably, something on the ajegenda at the g7. and you heard him say he and the president of the united states have a lot in common. gabe, the president of the united states remembering fondly the dinner they had together at the eiffel tower. what do you make of their relationship at this point? they placed faith and optimism early on. where does it stand at this point? the u.s. president said they have a lot in common -- >> he didn't just say that. he said the weather is very nice. >> that's true. >> the reality is there are few world leaders with which president trump has had a solid steady relationship. macron is someone who basically has tried hard not to play trump but tried to make sure he's in trump's good stead. his public statements have not always been positive about trump. you see someone pull trum noop th trump into this lunch. get him in front of the cameras talking about how good friends they are. macron is one who can talk to trump and get him not to have many outbursts. do any of these people have confidence this will stick? probably not. they are students of the last few g7 meetings, but it's typical of international relationships that everybody is trying to figure out their posture towards trump and no one has figured out a full-time strategy. it's very minute by minute. it's a lot like republican leaders on capitol hill. know one knows where they stand with the president. that's how he likes it. >> ron, let me ask you about what the french president wants to get out of this meeting. he's talking about the economic issues he's worried about, mentioning taxes. we'll talk with shannon in a bit about the looming trade war with europe. this is a fear they have as well, what's playing out with china could be happening in europe. >> yesterday the president threatened to put tariffs on french wine because france is threatening to put taxes on u.s. technology companies doing business there. the relationship may be more fraught. in addition to that, the president threatened to put tariffs on european and japanese autos by october, which would almost guarantee a global trade war. as it s the shg is, the actions yesterday almost guarantee we'll go into recession. if you look at europe, as you know well, europe has negative yielding bonds. in other words, their bonds, if you're going to lend -- you're paying them to lend the money. there's $16 trillion worth of negative yielding government bonds, mostly in europe and japan. we're running out of -- they're running out of tools with which to deal with a slow economy. the u.s. still has positive interest rates. that's forcing money to come into our bond markets. do they engage in tax cuts? do they find ways to stimulate their economy? so i think all of that is on the table. there's no easy answer to any of these questions. >> very quickly, what did you learn from that about who is calling the shots here or shaping the agenda for this summit to gabe's point about this being a strategic move. i was struck by how mentioning climate, calling it an agenda item it's likely to be one that persists throughout the course of the weekend. >> was called the paris accord. >> yeah. >> what i saw was the wind blowing. i think that's the problem that all of these leaders are having with trump. you never know which way the wind will blow. he is the unpredictable president. what he says at any given hour of the day may change in the next hour. and that's part of the challenge here. so, you know, he's trying to set -- i agree with gabe, he's trying to set the public terms of the debate to rein donald trump in. but what we all know is donald trump will change with the wind. it doesn't matter what was said here. that's why donald trump also kept it light and frankly not very substantive. >> as the first course is being served there, we will head to 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now. the front page of the daily news, hang on, ruth. she talked in that interview at duke law school about being able to go full steam. she emphasized this time and time again, her mental acuity and her ability to do the job despite this. >> when people see video like that, they panic because she seems super frail. she talks really slowly. i've been covering her for 20 years. she's always looked like that. i think she was frail and small and tiny and a slow talker when she was 17. people see that and they flip out. that's how she is. she just is an incredibly careful deliberate speaker. that said, she's 86, people don't usually survive their first round of pancreatic cancer. the fact she has a second tumor is terrifying at some level. i just think she's exactly what you saw there. she just is sharp as a tack. she is incredibly meticulously careful. when she had lung cancer last winter and we flipped out the reason she took longer to recover is because she refused to take pain meds because she was working the whole time. major lobectomy on the lung and won't take pain meds. if you look at her medical history, that was the first time in 25 years on the court she was not present for oral arguments. what do you read into that? is that something we should have more worry about? >> i mean, i'm not an oncologist. i think to the extent you want to worry, it's worrisome they did this through radiation and not surgery. that tells me she's 86 and somebody didn't want to go in and do surgery. there's a lot of things to worry about. i take her at her word when she says she will keep doing this job as long as she can. there was certainly no drop in her productivity at the end of this term. she was amazing. you can see the way -- she's the senior dissenting justice, you can see she's assigning dissents strategically. she's very careful about how she is kind of creating her legacy and handing off cases to the other liberal judges to write. she's thinking i think about her exit and grooming the next generation. but i also think watching her work this spring, she's a gladiator. she's amazing. >> gabe, i'll ask you, oliver wendell holmes was on the bench until he was 91. help us understand the political context in which all of this is happening. there is the worry, but also the waiting that's happening as well. >> the reason you see covers like that on the daily news is the political atmosphere around this is so fraught. you have president trump wishing her well, but the reality is if she's no longer able to serve on the supreme court, there's no world in which republicans don't get ative justice on thehich would essentially make the court 6-3 in terms of conservatives to liberals for decades to come. there's a reason justice ginsburg is out there so publicly saying i will keep going as long as i can. a few weeks ago there was an interview she did where she pointed out there was a republican senator last time i went through this who thought i would be dead and talked about that. that guy's dead and i'm not. she's trying to show she's punchy. she's trying to give liberals but also everyone who is not a trump supporter basically reason to say let's not go crazy here. >> dolly, thank you very much. we could be getting to the point where there's a democratic debate that lasts just one night. think about that. only ten candidates have made the cut so far. steve kornacki will walk us through who has a fighting chance of making it to the debate stage in houston when we come back. conditioner that helps protect you from wrinkles all day. pants washed with downy wrinkleguard and detergent are virtually wrinkle free. try downy wrinkleguard. doprevagen is the number oneild mempharmacist-recommendeding? memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. enterprise car sales and you'll take any trade-in?rom that's right! great! here you go... well, it does need to be a vehicle. but - i 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ten candidates. they have met both of those criteria. that next debate, they'll be on stage. they'll be there. their campaigns live on. the suspense is this. the deadline to qualify end of the week. august 28th. you have to meet the criteria by then or you don't get into the debate. the suspense is this, three candidates are here. williamson, steyer and gabbert. they have not met the polling threshold. one of them have. tom steyer has reached 2% in three of the polls, not four. by august 28th will there the oob poll th -- there be another poll that the dnc recognizes come out. and if one does, does steyer reach 2% in that poll. if he does, then he's on stage. that would mean 11 candidates would qualify, not one night then two nights of debates. that's the suspense with steyer. tulsi gab bettbert, she hit the polling threshold in two. she would need next week two more polls to come out where she hits 2%. hard to see that happening. keep that in mind. marianne williamson needs four polls in the next week where she hits 2% otherwise she's not qualifying. all of those other candidates appear nowhere close to qualifying for this debate. really, the sus pent over the next few days, it's tom steyer, can he hit 2% in another poll. will there be another poll to come out? if he does, 11 candidates, two nights, two stages. if he doesn't, this is it. ten candidates, all on stage together, all on one night. one single democratic debate. have not seen it so far. we may find out in a few days that we'll have our first one. >> steve kornacki, thank you very much for that. matt welch, michael bennett spoke yesterday at the dnc convention in california. he was critical of the way this whole process has been structured. we are rewarding celebrity candidates with millions of twitter followers, mibillionair who buy their way on to the stage and candidates who run for years. there is a fight to get on the debate stage. are candidates unfairly left? >> i would add to that list senators no one has heard of and have no numbers in the polls despite running for many months. that's a long list actually. you can see his critique there. at the same time, if you look at the field, at least half of it the whole time started at the 1% level or below, and have yet to come up at all, to show up. the only person that has risen from that to show some difference is andrew yang. even he has a cells around 3% or so. if you take the rondo vote in the democratic primary, you have the left, center, there's a random category, marianne williamson, andrew yang, i would put tulsi gabbert there also. they're not getting more than 3% of the vote. democrats are focused on winning. so y you will get williamson not in this debate but in a previous one is that everyone was excited about, but she has not shown at all in the polls. people have no patience now for this type of thing. in the 2016 race, a lot of randoms in that race. democrats are focused on winning. the field has shown that. >> you've been watching this unfold. you have those who have been on the margins, and some have been a real presence at the debates. >> for the most part, you're right. andrew yang is the one people often think of. there's a certain mayor from south bend that no one heard of. he was at zero percent, got in in january and now is a serious contender. he's one of the top four or five people in this race. if you were michael bennett, a serious minded senator who has been around for a long time, it's hard to make the case this process rewarding these people and not serious-minded people like me. that's to a certain degree true, but these people are saying they're not happy with what tom steyer is doing. he's spent a lot of his own money to reach the donor threshold for this debate. basically what a lot of them are trying to say without actually saying it, don't want billionaires buying their way into the race. there's little indication that tom steyer's presence in the race is stopping one like bennett or other candidates that dropped out. i've been following this for a long time this is what martin o'ma o'malley did in the 2016 version of this meeting. didn't work for him it won't work for michael bennett. >> if we move ahead to texas southern university where this takes place, will it be seen as a failure by tom perez if this is a two-night affair? i assume the goal would have been to whittle it down to one night at this point. >> i think the answer has to be it will be frustrating, but that's not fair -- it's not fair to call it a failure. part of what's happening here is the democratic national committee trying to make sure that it's being responsive to both the need to get it down to a candidate who can win and at the same time creating more opportunities for people who are nontraditional candidates. it's hard to get the balance on that right. part of what's good about these debates, good about these debates we should not forget is people raising issues that should be debated. w at a certain level this is formulating what the democratic platform is. one reason mr. yang is so interesting, he's pushing some of these ideas that other candidates were not putting on the 25ib8, like a vtable like a tax. all the debate about what's winnable, electable, but part of a primary is to help a party formulate what that party will run on. to the extent this is supposed to be about issues this is how we're getting to the issues. two candidates will join us tomorrow on "up." former congressman john delaney will be with us at the table in new york. he's trying to land a spot in the third debate. and the former governor of massachusetts, bill weld will join us. it looks like the field of republican challengers to president trump will be getting larger. up next, sum ser fmer is fo flip-flops, especially when it comes to the president's policy positions. that's next. every day, visionaries are creating the future. so, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ ♪ applebee's handcrafted burgers now starting at $7.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, now hmm. exactly.7.99. so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? 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>> i don't think we can draw too much of a distinction there. if we're going to grant this is a premise of a summer of flip-flops, i would like to extend this saying this is the five years of flip-flops. >> thank you for playing. >> the reality is this is the president's m.o. i don't think it's a strategy. you have people in the white house and around him constantly trying to contain him, push him in direct directions. a lot of people who talked to him every day or talked to him over time say he frequently sides with the last person he talks to, that's why you so often have advisers trying to be the last person in his ear. in these particular cases, i think what you basically have is a situation where again there's a reason no one will take him at his word and why you do have the economy sort of not really knowing what to do here because he has shown a lot of willingness to impose tariffs, amp up the trade war. at the same time he talks about it in a way such that he doesn't really understand what he's doing. no one knows what the mechanisms will be there. the argument there is he doesn't actually know what he's doing. >> what you see, maya, is his inability to evolve on any of these issues. the most immediate one is gun policy. where the movie played out the way we thought the movie would play out. said one thing, talked about meetings, talked about hearing people out and got on the phone with lappe air and here we are. >> this is the man last week said he was the second coming. >> the chosen one. >> the chosen one. it is very, very difficult to not have a conversation about whether or not he's competent to serve as president. i say that because there are actually objective measures this week. so there's the possibility, of course, he is just a president without a platform and, therefore, he's not going to stick to one position and he's going to waiver based on whoever is influencing because he doesn't stand for anything. that's one narrative. the other possibility is, as we saw with ronald reagan who actually did have alzheimer's and it was kept under wraps, i just don't understand why we not actually ask and have a confrontational conversation about whether or not there's something more going on here with his health, because there are certain statements and behaviors that simply require some analysis because he is the leader -- supposedly the leader of the free world. i just want to say that it's both those things. i don't know which one is true. i'm not making a statement of fact. but this week was a new chapter in bizarre. >> i want to pick it up from there. i'm looking at peter baker's piece. he quotes from matt riley from university of virginia, done many interviews with presidents past. is trump really losing it or is this just more of the same but more? how do you respond to that? >> who knows? it feels like more of the same but more, but a lot more. it wasn't chosen one, it was greenland, the nasty comments. he retweeted at lengths wayne alan root. >> more than once. >> more than one reference per presidential term is enough. to your point, it's an important one, what i'd like to see and we haven't seen enough of as a reaction to donald trump is maybe a president shouldn't have this much power. if we don't like a trade war -- i certainly don't like a trade war -- maybe congress should hobble the president's ability -- should use its own legislative function, we need to have more of that conversation. >> we'll leave it there. matt, maya, david, thank you for being here. tomorrow katy fanning will shown us, michelle goldberg and maria hinojosa. that's 8:00 eastern on msnbc. ahead at the top of the hour, a weakening global economy is the backdrop to the g7 summit. world leaders have no shortage of fires to fight, both literal and metaphorical. anmed taphorics your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ this is rhis life is...of pretty comfortable. rick blomquist thought he had comfort all figured out. but then, he laid on a serta and realized his life was only just sorta comfortable. i've been living a lie. 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>> reporter: there was a lunch where he talked about the importance of u.s. relationship, he's optimistic about a good meeting. before macron had this photo op lunch with president trump, macron gave an address to the french people which i'm told is something quite unusual for him to do, where he outlined his goals for this meeting, put a big emphasis on climate change, the issues in syria and the middle east with iran, but he also said i'm going to try to get things done, all the leaders, wink, wink, president trump and maybe uk prime minister boris johnson don't agree with me. i'll do my best to get them on board, but i may not be able to. so understand that. i think it was to the french observers here, they felt it was a pretty stark statement from macron. >> shannon, stay with us. we see prime minister of the united kingdom boris johnson coming down the red carpet. i mentioned all the folks the president of the united states has alienated. he's not one of them. he's been on the phone with boris johnson, they've spoken i think five times by phone. this will be the first case that they will meet as president of the united states and prime minister of the united kingdom. >> of all the people he's meeting with, he's the one he has praised and sees as a kindred spirit at this meeting. let's be clear, these are western allies. they should be people we should be working with. our economy is affected by theirs and vice versa. the president has set up almost everybody else as an adversary to the point there's not a lot of expectation that much will happen out of this conference. so, yeah, it will be interesting to see his interaction with boris johnson, bojo, and what comes out of that. i think the fact that heading in it seems most of our european allies, the leaders, want to do no harm, want trump to do no harm and want to get out of this with as little damage to that relationship as possible. >> eddie, let's talk about the definition of that term allies. how much of an alliance has changed as a result of president trump's role on the world stage. the meeting before that going back to the mid '80s. how is our notion of what an ally is and what an alliance is changed? >> i think the frame of alliance has changed. for donald trump, it's always a zero sum game. it's always a matter of winners and losers, not a matter of friends and enemies. it's what have you done for me lately. to the extent that's true, the notion of alliance that emerged out of the post world war ii era, that brought this era of peace, quote, unquote, has somewhat been tossed to the side. when you combine that with utter ignorance, the wall of quotations you butt there -- let's be clear. that was a collection of stupidity. what does it mean -- let me add this, too, when you saw the lunch, macron laid out his agenda and trump is talking about the weather. he's completely out of his depth. the way he approaches the notion of alliance, this is bound up by zero sum game which leads us to the conclusion that he's destroying in some ways the post world war ii era. >> talking about the weather, the meal that they shared in the afl tower the last time president trump was in paris. the underpinning for this alliance is economic. this is a group of the largest advanced economies in the world. >> sure. that's part of it. but one of the reasons we have this economic alliance is so we don't fight each other anymore. that's what former secretary of state cordell hall said in the 1940s. countries that trade together don't fight one another. we're talking about an erosion of trust. i think we should stop throwing away these conversations about democratic or republican values. he doesn't have human values. it's hard to have alliances when you don't have values, when you don't have shared beliefs aside from getting power and using that power to get money. that's what donald trump is. we'll see that throughout the whole show, every problem we've been running into as a country, we're beginning to see more and more, is because our president is amoral. and all he cares about is himself. so he's willing to let the world divide itself in two with this china tariff situation which seems like it's going toward decoupling. >> welcomed that yesterday. >> exactly. we're have a half china world and half american. nobody wants that again. nobody wants it again. it was an ugly world. it was a dangerous world. that is all trump does, make the world more ugly and more dangerous. if we can get through this weekend without him making the world more blatantly ugly and dangerous in front of our faces, in front of our friends, this is so embarrassing, then we get through it unscathed. that's all we can pray for for the next year and a half. >> shannon, as i look at the president this morning, what peter baker has written about in "the new york times," julie pace's piece for the a.p., she talks about who is advising the president, the advice he's taking, how few people make up his team of advisers. i wonder what your thinking is as you watch him and see him meeting with the french president as we look ahead to the meeting with the u.k. prime minister. how influenceable he is. in the past there was blind optimism that if you could get the president one-on-one, you could make a deal with him. how much has that dissipated, that he is a president who is unleashed and uncontrolled by those around him? >> reporter: it's interesting. i was just talking to a white house advisor, i guess we'll call this person who said in the early days there was a sense you could team up with someone else. you could do an end run around, you could be the last person to get to the president's ear and you could change his opinion or flip his mind on something. these days in the white house there's not a sense you can really do that anymore. the sense is this president is going to do what he wants to do. you can make your argument to him. and people do that, people express their opinion. there are different opinions about china in this white house. you see steve mnuchin and robert lighthizer pushing for a deal. you see mike pompeo who wants to see him go hard on china. peter navarro, one of the lone survivors from the early days of this white house, they can all make their arguments. there's an acceptance that in the end the president will do what he wants to do. >> shannon pettypiece, i'm going to resist the urge to fact check what the president said about the weather there. reaching swing dikts across the country, deck caucus chair hakeem jeffries will join us. a tactic being used to deter others. how a trump official said cruelty against undocumented immigrants is the point as the administration looks to detain families indefinitely. is less bulky. and it really protects. 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united states because you had to be released within 20 days. this protects children. >> it's a deterrent. >> the reason this is so important -- this is a deterrent. we are doing all we can to -- just to deal with the things coming across the border. >> i'm david gura, the trump administration is doubling down on the controversial plan to hold migrant children and their families in detention centers indefinitely. the white house wants to scrap the florez agreement so there would be no limit on how long immigrant families can be detained which is likely to lead to a court fight which president trump seems to want. he says he's looking for a way around the 14th amendment to end birth right citizenship which he previously called a magnet for undocumented immigration. >> kimberly, let me start with you. this is likely to end up in court, up to the judge to approve the change the white house wants to make. help us understand the path forward. by doing this, it would be less cruel because families would not be separated. they could be held indelphly but they couldn't be split up. >> that's the argument. what we've seen is a clear consistent message that donald trump believes that being tough on the border means building a wall and trying to stop people from entering the country. and this is the only way he can effectuate that. as you said, this florez settlement, this has been in place for 40 years, a result of litigation over really horrendous treatment of children who were held indefinitely. they can't detain children for more than 20 days, but it set minimum standards of how these children are to be treated, what amenities they get, to make sure they're fed effectively. that's what this is about. by reversing that, that takes all of that away which is very concerning to immigration advocates. this idea that it's deterring, it's nonsense. if this would deter people from coming to the border, then the child separation crisis would have deterred them, the current situation that a lot of folks are being held in right now in border facilities would have deterred them. it's not. there are horrific conditions in these countries in central america, something that the united states could have a hand in trying to address, but instead they're putting up this -- trying to put a stop sign at the border in a way that puts these children in jeopardy. that's what donald trump sees as a winning message. >> eddie glaude, as she travels through central america, she'll encounter people who are not deterred. they're unfamiliar with what's happening here. speak to that, if you would. the presidencies this immigration policy as a puzzle. there have been maybe a five-piece puzzle. take from that what you will. he thinks this will be the final piece to make it so nobody will want to cross the border. >> i talked to maria before. she said many women who have their children, have no idea this is happening in some ways. there are the pull factors of the u.s. economy, promising in some ways a better life, and the push factors that are happening in the countries themselves, in guatemala, the places pushing people out. we need to understand this as a complex geopolitical reality. the u.s. has not been a good actor in some ways. let's be very clear, david, let's stop trying to treat these claims as rational, as a rational argument that warrants a rational response. these folk are pursuing a white supremacist agenda through the policy of immigration. to attack the 14th amendment from the back side, to do this with regards to immigration has everything to do with the demographic shifts in this country. as long as we take these issues as if there are serious concerns about the, quote, unquote, border crisis, then we have been distracted from what is actually going on. there's an argument being made that's backed by policy that the country is browning, and they don't want that to happen. so what we're seeing here is the implementation of an agenda that we need to describe as call it what it is. it is a white supremacist agenda and the head of it in my view, i'm going to say this, is steven miller and, of course, donald trump. >> help us understand what to do with that distraction. you say call it as you see it, call it what it is. then what? >> if you call it for what it is and then people say i embrace it. guess what? then you must be that. and then we have to make a choice, you see? oftentimes what we do is we try to name it differently so people can then evade -- are you embracing a position that by definition is a white supremacist position? yes or no. well, it's not quite that. then what is it? then let's talk about the question of immigration, let's talk about the question of whether or not there's really open borders. that's fine. but are you embracing this agenda? this agenda as we see it as white supremacist. if you are, you and i and other voters, we have to make a choice. we keep dancing around things, david, which allows folks who thinks they can go back to their suburbs and picket fences or nice apartments in brooklyn and feel good about themselves when, in fact, they're embracing a policy that is in my view profoundly insidious. we need to call it what it is. >> it's a human rights violation and it's disgusting our president, the human rights violator is sitting there with the rest of the g7 and pretending he cares about their values. again, the word values. the insulting thing about this is the president of the united states doesn't think the rest of the country cares about human life. the president of the united states thinks he can throw this in front of our faces as americans and we're going to accept it, that we're going to say it's okay. his surrogates are not even smart. his surrogate went out there and was supposed to not say it was a deterrent and he broke in the interview. these people are not talented, but they do assume, they make the assumption that we are as aim /* amoral as they are and we will swallow the same and en za they're willing to push on us. we should be insulted as americans that our president thinks we have so little moral rectitude, that we have been taught so wrong in american schools and churches and every social gathering in this country. we should be insulted that our president thinks we're like him. >> you mentioned his surrogate, acting surrogate. just making that point of clarification, cuccinelli still not nominated or approved. a fire so big it thens the entire ecosystem. the unprecedented fires ravaging the amazon and the controversial comments of the president now fanning the flames. e president fanning the flames ♪ (vo) sleep this amazing? that's a zzzquil pure zzzs sleep. our liquid has a unique botanical blend, while an optimal melatonin level means no next day grogginess. zzzquil pure zzzs. naturally superior sleep. this is "up." i'm david gura. catastrophic fires continue to burn in the amazon, the world's largest rain forest. it could mean our battle against climate change is reaching an irreversible tipping point. it provides 40% of the planet's oxygen. more than 74,000 fires just this year alone. the space research center says that's a 79% increase in fires from the same period in 2018. it's being linked to brazil's deforestation policies and illegal logging. growing international outrage has brought environmental policies to the top of the g7 agenda with the french president threatening to block a trade deal over the amazon fires, calls president bolsonaro a liar on his commitment to climate change. the known ske admitting brazil's government lax resources to fight the massive number of fires and all this could have dire consequences of the world's ecosystem. the brazil correspondent for "the washington post" maria lopez, she's been covering the fire and deforestation in brazil for years. thank you very much for being here. the president addressed what's been hang in the a happening in the amazon. what did he have to say? >> the president last night announced he's going to be sending the army in to try and combat this fire. protests erupted here in saw a paulo. thousands gathered to call for an end of the destruction of the amazon. they had to call for backup security because there were so many people demanding answers. the fire is still raging in northern brazil. two states declared a state of emergency. hospitals are saying they're seeing patients coming in complaining of respiratory illnesses, pneumonia. the situation is very critical. >> there was footage the president of bolivia posted of a bolivian tanker plane dropping water on these fires. help us understand the international feed, if they're to be fought, reduced, what needs to happen? >> we're talking about a massive region. at least in brazil there hasn't been a unified national response. experts say these fires were started by cattle farmers who were trying to clear the land for pasture, but they got out of control. brazil has never faced a crisis at this scale, especially with this much international pressure. this is quickly becoming the president's largest domestic and international crisis. here in brazil he's facing a lot of pressure from the agricultural groups that helped get him elected. they're worried a boycott on brazilian goods could affect the bottom line. lols narrow says he'll no longer tolerate illegal logging. the fact is he campaigned on a promise to open the amazon up for business, and that includes logging and mining. so whether the government will actually clamp down on deforestation once the world stops watching, that's the big question right now. >> you are among those watching, eddie. your reaction to what is seen here? astonishing to see something like that from the vantage of outer space. >> it's horrifying, horrifying. a combination of a number of things. one is, of course, the reality of climate change. we've seen forest fires across the u.s. and burning in california at alarming rates. this is the size of texas if i understand it correctly, if not larger. you combine that with greed, absolute greed. it's man made in a number of different senses. it owes horrifying to think as stewards of the planet we're allowing this to happen. the folks in brazil are talking about sovereignty, brazil first. it's a language we hear in our own country. >> marina, you write about this in your piece, who controls the amazon, who is the steward of the amazon. help us understand that debate. i mentioned the french president weighing in, the german chancellor wanting to elevate this to the top of the agenda. what eddie was mentioned, how folks in brazil feel about the amazon as a place unto brazil. >> we have to remember for bolsonaro and a lot of supporters, this is a question of sovereignty. they're coming from a viewpoint of, yes, we have a problem but it's our problem. let us fix it. a g7 meeting that brazil is not invited to and brazil won't participate in does nothing to 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is it a poll like the one i showed there? is it sentiment among the caucus, a majority of house democrats in favor of this? how do you assess when we are there, if we're going to get there? >> i think what the speaker consistently said is we should follow the facts, apply the law, be guided by the constitution, and committees of jurisdiction, including the judiciary committee that i sit on, should continue to do its work. jerry nadler has said we are conducting an impeachment investigation. i support the efforts of the judiciary committee to sort of uncover the range of misbehavior that we've seen, present that to the american people in the most compelling way. jerry nadler has said we're going to have hearings on obstruction of justice, hearings on abuse of power, hearings on the culture of corruption and decide whether to recommend articles at some point later this year. >> let me parse a little bit of that. help me understand what the judiciary committee chairman is saying. is it right to say the impeachment process is under way? the hearings are taking place, you look at the letters he sent requesting information in the service of impeachment. are you comfortable saying the impeachment process is under way? >> i think what the chairman is saying is amongst the many areas where the judiciary committee has jurisdiction includes determining how to hold a rogue president accountable, and the committee has a particular responsibility to try to uncover and present that information and he's going to do that work. the overall congress at some point will have to decide how to weigh in. there are varying perspectives as it relates to members of the house democratic caucus. i'm personally of the view that, if you start a formal impeachment inquiry, you have to be prepared to finish it and you have to be prepared to present the strongest possible case to the american people. knowing the senate is unlikely to act, but the house has to be in a position where you can lay out to the american people the things that have happened that should be inconsistent with the rule of law and a democratic republic. >> before i go to our washington correspondent who i know has a question for you. when you were at congress on the conner, i'm sure the people asked you about this, constituents asked you about this. what you described what the house speaker's metrics are, following the facts, et cetera, how much does that matter? how much does that groundswell matter to you and your colleagues as you debate how far to go with this? >> i believe the august work period is incredibly important for all of us, to be home in our districts and interacting with the people that we're privileged to represent to get their perspectives on dealing with this president and accountability. it's our solemn constitutional responsibility at the end of the day. every member is going to have to follow their conscience. using the weeks that we've been home to really interact with the individuals that we're privileged to represent, process that information, we come back to washington after labor day and we're going to have to make some decisions shortly thereafter about the best way to proceed. >> kimberly atkins, get in here. >> i understand you're saying the speaker is saying you have to apply the facts to the law and move in a methodical way. we're a year and two months out from an election. is there a deadline, a timetable that a decision has to be made, a fear that it could reflect negatively on the members as they themselves are seeking re-election? >> that's an important question. in my view, there is no deadline when it comes to our constitutional responsibility. >> the window doesn't close. >> it seems to me the window does not close and we are also in an intense environment with this president where every hour feels like a day, every day feels like a week, every week feels like a month. >> oh, yes, it does. >> we just all want it to be over, this long national nightmare. i just don't think we're on a timeline as it relates to what needs to happen. the only timeline should be do we have the information where we can present the strongest possible case to the american people. by the way, in order to do that, we need fact witnesses and we need documents. the administration is stone walls our accountability efforts. ultimately when that happens between an article one branch, house of representatives, article two, executive, the courts have to resolve it. we've been winning. we're winning in the second -- we're winning at the district court level, southern district of new york. we've done the same thing in washington, d.c. we think we'll win at the d.c. circuit level. ultimately the supreme court may have to resolve this. >> so much of the focus was on gun policy and you talk about where we are vis-a-vis this president. out can't be looking at him in any way as a good-faith negotiator. you look what he said about gun policy in dayton and el paso, gilroy right before that. what is the path forward? you and your colleagues come back to washington early to talk about gun policy. we have a president who has said one thing yet again and has done another. how can that en generaler any optimism or anyone watching the show that it will change. >> there's no reason to be optimistic. but we can also be hopeful and the sick fans that dominate the senate will see fit to do the right thing. >> distinguished sick fants i think you have to say. >> i've been on the house of the floor. >> we talk about calling things what they are. it's 9:00 a.m. everybody should tell the truth. >> you're not optimistic, you think something could happen here. >> we have to continue to put the pressure on the united states senate. the house has acted. we passed in february, universal background check legislation supported by the overwhelming majority of the american people including independents, republicans and gun owners. mitch mcconnell is bottling it up. i'm hopeful he won't be able to sustain that level of obstruction particularly in the face of the continuing possibility of mass shooting after mass shooting and the everyday violence that takes place in some communities in new york city, chicago, los angeles and other inner cities throughout america. >> eddie, you have a question? >> one of the contexts of the debate about gun violence is the spike of domestic terrorism and the ideology informing it. many of us have to raise children. we have family members endangered by this. it hits us at a visceral level. what is the democratic caucus doing to speak to the kind of convergence between the easy accessibility of guns with this violent and ideology of white supremacy? >> the richairman thompson and homeland security committee will undertake a series of aggressive hearings to both highlight the problem and present solutions to the american people. we've been in commune caution with the fbi at the highest levels. i know the fbi has also briefed other members of the house on the republican side as well as folks in the senate. it seems to me christopher wray is taking this seriously. we've seen increased enforcement activity to preempt things. there's an underlying sick philosophy of individuals worshipping at the altar of white supremacy and the fans of hatred have been -- flames of hate r hatered have been fanned. >> let me tie this altogether. talking about calling it as you see it, for what it is. you've dorn that as you talk about the president, his associates and allies and advisers. what's the message from house democratic leadership about that. it seems after these shootings there was a moment when a lot of democratic candidates felt liberated to speak about things in real terms. is that a directive, you should feel comfortable and call things as you see them? >> we should always be in a position on behalf of the people we represent to call things as we see them. we need to continue to keep our focus, i believe, on dealing with the economic anxieties and woes and concerns of the american people. we may be heading into a recession as a result of the fact that this president continues to engage in erratic behavior. it will hurt working families, everyday americans, senior citizens. we have a health care crisis we have to continue do drive down costs. we hope to do it on prescription drugs. we should be thinking about enacting a meaningful infrastructure plan. there are affirmative things we as democrats want to get done to help everyday americans. >> thank you for making the time here. hakeem jeffries joining us in new york. why joe biden snubbed the dnc meeting. our mike memory is with the former vice president. he got a special serenade last night. take a look ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to you . ♪ it's going ok? great. now i'm spending more time with the kids. i'm introducing them to crab. crab!? 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>> reporter: i would say, david, this is about the widen campaign trying to remind voters of what separates him from the rest of the field. yesterday was not just my birthday, but the anniversary of the day when barack obama chose joe biden as his running mate. as political reporters we struggle always about what's the best way to assess voter enthusiasm for a candidate. also often it gets boiled down to crowd size. i will say as the crowd fills in for an event in the next hour, it looks like a fairly typical one for biden, a couple hundred. there are some candidates who would love to draw that routinely. it's certainly not on par with else or bernie sanders who draw closer to the thousands. the biden campaign pushes back. they say, listen, there's certainly public polling that has shown that biden has as deep if not deeper commitment among his supporters than some of the other candidates in the field. they say, listen, donald trump is the biggest motivator for any democratic, whoever the nominee will be, they'll be there for joe biden. we shouldn't be there just on what excites young white progressives. for joe biden, the pillar has been the support he has among the voters. they're squarely behind joe biden. >> the last question here, we saw the kayak constituency in carlos arroyo, new hampshire, which i enjoyed seeing behind the vice president. there was an odd moment where the president told the anecdote about remembering the assassinations of martin luther king jr. tell us what you make about him continuing to go to this would-be as nation of president obama. >> tfs a jarring moment. i haven't heard him talk about the as sass nation of barack obama. what we have heard from biden at these events is him relating the formative experiences of his political career. he was in college in the '60s when rfk and martin luther king were assassinated. there was a big contingent of college students there, and i think what he was trying to say was, look, for me those as nations were like for me what it would have been for you if president obama had been assassinated. any talk of assassination struck us all as an odd comment. >> mike, thank you for joining us from new hampshire. we're getting a statement here from prince andrew, duke of york with regards to his relationship with jeffrey epstein in the past. sarah harmon has details on that statement. want to get an update from you on that. >> reporter: a lot of people are going to be looking at this twice. this is a statement from prince andrew ooch andrew, not from booking ham palace. the statement, it is apparent to me since the suicide of mr. epstein there has been an immense amount of media speculation about so much in his life. this is particularly the case in relation to my former association or friendship with mr. epstein. therefore, i am eager to clarify the facts to avoid further speculation. he goes on to say, i met mr. epstein in 1999. during the time i knew him, i saw him infrequently and probably no more than only once or twice a year. i have stayed in a number of his residences. at no stage during the limited i spent with him did i see, witness or suspect any behavior of the sort that subsequently led to his arrest and conviction. i have said previously it was a mistake and error to see him after his release in 2010. i can only reiterate my regret that i was mistaken to think that what i thought i knew of him was evidently not the real person given what we now know. i have tremendous sympathy for all those affected by his actions and behavior. his suicide has left many unanswered questions and i acknowledge and sympathize with everyone affected and who wants some form of closure. stlfs a difficult time for everyone involved. i'm at a loss to understand or explain mr. epstein's lifestyle. i deploy the exploitation of any human being and would not condone, participate or encourage any such behavior. it is signed then at the bottom prince andrew. this communique coming directly from the duke of york after a number of questions have circled about his rich with mr. epstein. >> sarah harmon with the update. thank you very much. lynette lopez, eddie glaude, kimberly atkins, thank you for being here. coming up, anthony scaramucci coming up, anthony scaramucci joins joy reid on "am joy." kraft for the win win. why accept it frompt an incompyour allergy pills?e else. flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief that does it for me. back tomorrow at 8:00 eastern time. 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