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Transcripts For MSNBCW Up With David Gura 20190525

Maybe that is why you like it so much. Before the 14 hour flight, the president took another shot at House Speaker nancy pelosi. Look, you think nantz cityyo sheegs not. And he announced the plan to move 1500 troops to the middle east. We want to have protection, the middle east well be sending a relatively small number of troops mostly protective. Irans foreign minister calls that move extremely dangerous. It is saturday, may 25th, the beginning of a holiday weekend. We just learned that trump plans to formally launch his Reelection Campaign on june 16th, fathers day. Evidently he thinks hes americas father which explains why he only loves a third of us. Up with me, professor at the department of social and cultural an d an analysis at ny. And also fellow at new america and regular contributor to the New York Times opinion section. And President Trump as i mentioned is in tokyo. He landed there just a few hours ago after a combative week to say the least in washington, d. C. Where a constitutional crisis continues. This morning the president finds himself again on the losing side of a battle with congress. His latest plan to build a wall on the u. S. Mexico border partially blocked late last night by a federal judge in california. Who says that congress has absolute control over federal expenditures even when that control may frustrate the desires of the executive branch. That news as House Democrats get closer to President Trumps finances thanks to other Court Decisions and new legislation here in new york state, but the clash between the president and the most powerful woman in the country dominated the new this is week. A war of words between President Trump and nancy pelosi. The president saying he refuses to work with democrats unless they stop investigating him. It all started with this. We believe that the president of the United States is engaged in a coverup. I walk into look at people that had just said that i was doing a cover up. I dont do coverups. The president again stormed out. First pound the table, walk out the door. Kcrazy nancy. Ive been watching her for a long period of time. She is not the same person. Shes lost it. I pray for the president of the United States. I wish that his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention. It was sad when i watched nancy all moving, the movement and the hands and the craziness. This is not behavior that rises to the dignity of the office of president of the United States. Joel, let me start with you. Where do we stand after all you of this. You see the throughline, the argument that Speaker Pelosi made, and how it devolved. The president now far of a field in japan. I think we have to address the sub text. First the reason why nancy pelosi did this is because her caucus was cracking down on her. She was getting a lot of pressure from the progressives, the liberals in her caucus to be tougher on the president , tougher on the idea of impeachment. Pelosis initial was so that is first. Secondly, the president , the reason yes didnwhy he didnt wa talk infrastructure is because he couldnt pay for it and the far right wing folks in his own building wont let him pay for it. Mick mulvaney gave away the game when he said there is not enough money to pay for infrastructure. So all of this circus which is driven by the president because that is the world he lives in, it is all about the sub text. It is not about what is on the surface. This is not two 70 plusyearold people fighting. This is nancy pelosi trying to keep her caucus happy and donald trump trying to hide the fact that he cant move forward on something that he wanted to move forward on or said he wanted to. President trump the ring master in the rose garden as he sets up that big tent. There was a great piece bayou Gene Robinson looking at the dynamic between these two. He said nancy pelosi is large and in charge, once again President Trump is frantic and rattled. Once again a tough and powerful woman is driving insecurity man out of his mind. When you look at the rhetoric that led to this, a lot of this has to do with that dynamic, with the gender dynamic. And this is the trump playbook. We saw this with Hillary Clinton. When she was challenging him, she was crazy. When nancy pelosi has too much power, now shes crazy, there is something wrong with her. We saw the same conspiracy theories in the 2016 election around hillary and trump knows that his conspiracy minded base will take this and they will run with it. It is a very clear gender dynamic. I think there is nothing that gets under mr. Trumps skin more than a woman who challenges him. Especially a woman who kind of seems like the adult in the room compared to his kind of misbehaving toddler persona. But he knows that this works. And i think part of the problem here is this intensive coverage and repeating of the video of nancy pelosi stammering terribly, falsely edited video. And i understand that we in the news media want to talk about this stuff, but to some glee and i know you didnt do this, but by replaying the video for example, we end up feeding into the same beast that trump is creating. And we allow him to set this really absurd narrative. And i know it is hard, we cant just ignore everything that he is saying. But i think properly context all liding it, that the video is false, the accusations are false, weve seen this from him before. This is the authoritarian leader playbook. Humiliate, dominate and do it in a very sexist way. And that is what were seeing. Weve talked about the way that the president communicates. Weve looked at the legacy as well. And it strikes me watching what happened on thursday, that we saw him speak in front of those farmers and ranchers and intimate that nancy pelosi is crazy or something is wrong with her, have you seen what is wrong with her. And just a matter of hours later, we saw the doctored videos which have made their way around the altright come into some legitimacy because they were played on a cable news channel. And of course he offered that as well when he tweeted it. He gave it the goahead. Sgle lo he loves to give them authorizing. He traffics in the politics of domination. That is why he needed his staff to do this embarrassing authoritarian performance to say im very calm or very so just like humiliating and embarra embarrassi embarrassing. And i think it drives him crazy that nancy pelosi continues to win the media cycle. And part of it, despite his comments of shes crazy, what america is seeing, he not in control of himself. And he lacks impulse control in a pretty complete way. And so watching somebody who lacks control of himself always calls his sort of function sort of his not exactly sanity, but his abilities into question. And so i think that that is something that is continuely being at play here. And i think the other thing is as we see more and more of these doctored videos to jills point, we as a citizenry will have to figure out how to become more competent and look over this landscape. And well need a citizenry that is more annuble to talk about w this technology is making possible. And so we will need to up our game as a citizenry to kind of manage the media landscape that were now in. And that will ask all of us to step up at a different level. Help us marry the politics and policy. Jill talking about infrastructure not having a plan at its base. By saying that he is not going to work with democrats on this issue where there had been some hope for a bipartisan agreement, what changed this week when he says hes not going to be able to do that when that last attempt faded . I dont think anybody expected a 2 trillion infrastructure bill to be coming anytime soon given the hyper partisan nature of this. And the road runner nature of this. Wiley e coyote from genius and nancy pelosi stepping out with the other anvil. The original staple genius. Exactly. And so i dont know how much wall street is discounting any positive developments on any front, including the trade war which we can talk about later. But i think for all intents and purposes when you look at other markets beyond the stock market, bond market, Commodity Markets are actually discounting a negative outcome to the trade talks, discounting more grid lock in washington and more of this type of, you know, fighting and animosity between republicans and democrats and nothing really getting done. And i think that they have that right. I think this is really kind of a dead end in many ways. And setting up this type of conversation now going into the 2020 elections. Becoming the new normal. A lot more coming up including talk about trade. President trumps decision to send several hundred troops to the middle east as tensions with iran escalate. And the president arrives in japan. Well go live to tokyo for the latest. Play it cool and escape heartburn fast with new tums chewy bites cooling sensation. Tum tum tum tums with new tums chewy bites cooling sensation. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. Exactly. 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Start with internet and voice for just 59. 90 a month. Its everything a Small Business owner needs. Comcast business. Beyond fast. President trump has arrived in japan. He greeted the u. S. Ambassador and Business Leaders a couple hours ago. And in the coming days, he will be the first foreign leader to meet with japans new emperor. Hallie jackson is joining us from tokyo. This is the first of four trips the president will make over the next few months, this one culminating with him a awarding the president ial trophy to the winner of a sumo match. What policy goals might be accomplished on this trip to japan . Reporter there is a couple, but this really is more about the personalities than it is about the policies. So lets start there. Trade is certainly going to be on the agenda for the bilateral talks about President Trump will have with Prime Minister oiabe. So will north korea. And National Security adviser john bolton in a talk with reporters just acknowledged that north korea did violate United Nations Security Council resolutions with their recent missile tests. That is a significant statement that the u. S. Is making. It is the first time weve heard such a high level official talk about that. So i expect that those two topics will be first on the agenda for President Trump and Prime Minister abe. After that and other than that, it really is about what one white house official told me today, relationship building. Building that relationship, that friendship you could say on the diplomatic field between President Trump and the Prime Minister. For example, it is nighttime here, but when President Trump wakes up, he is going golfing with the Prime Minister. He will watch that sumo match that you mentioned. And then tomorrow your time will be essentially when he meets the new emperor. And that will be a significant moment. Remember, this is an official state visit. It doesnt happen often in japan. So the president will have this formal ceremony. We know this is a president who likes to have that sortpageantr. And there will be plenty of that. We expect perhaps the president to talk with reporters as well. You mentioned that he does have a lot of International Travel this summer. This wont be the last time ill be talking to you from overseas. He will be at the anniversary n normandy, the g20, likely the g7. So this trip i dare say might be maybe fun. So well see how that goes. And you mentioned the need to build this relationship. Help me understand that. Because these two have in my eyes a very close relationship. We remember huh the Prime Minister traveled to new york after donald trump was elected to meet with president elect donald trump. I think they have spoken more than 20 times by phone since donald trump became president. Why is this a relationship that needs further building . Reporter well, so i guess building not from the ground up. But like anything, i say this all the time to my friends and colleagues, you have to weed your friendship garden. You cant just let things wither on by. So this is part of that i think. They have a very strong relationship and in fact it is a relationship that the Prime Minister has very much worked to cultivate. He wants to make sure that President Trump is sort of in his corner, that helps him politically here at home in japan. And so this is a continuation of i think what weve seen. Remember, by the time june ends, these two leaders will have seen each other three times in three months which is notable. My colleague in my friendship garden as well, Harley Jackson joining me from tokyo. Thank you very much. Democratic and republican lawmakers are criticizing the Trump Administrations decision to sell 8 billion worth of weapons to saudi arabia and United Arab Emirates citing a National Security emergency allegedly caused by iran to bypass congress. President trump has also announced the u. S. Will send 1500 troops to the middle east. Irans foreign minister says that decision is, quote, very dangerous for international peace. Joining us know, retired four star general mccaffrey. A lot i want to get to. But lets start with this news of the administration sending more troops to the middle east. Your read of what is happening here. How these tensions have ratcheted up and what the responsibility has been. Ron probably has the most informed viewpoint on the state of the iranian economy. That is the problem. Once we withdrew from the Nuclear Accord and reinstituted economic constraints, to my surprise they are beginning to suffocate the iranians. They have to get out out oof th. They will probably start making Nuclear Weapons again. The other thing they considered is striking back at us militarily, possibly through a approximate city, possibly using revolutionary guards in the persian gulf. So i think that the likelihood of war is remote. It would be a disaster for the region. A disaster economically for the world. One third of the worlds oil supply goes through you the straits of hormuz every day. So i dont think that there will be a war. I actually support the deterrent deployment of the Carrier Battle Group and air defense elements. But these are modest forces in the region designed to signal the iranians dont take the military option. I want to turn to the oped. There has been a lot of concern among many that President Trump will pardon several men accused of war crimes, several convicted of war crimes. You write a piece in which you say there are better ways to honor the many sacrifices and performances of veterans than to exonerate those who did not follow the rules. You join martin determine determidench city in his opposition. Help us understand why this is something that the president might be considering. I dont know why he is considering it. I think it is an utter disaster. There are 16 million veterans and those who served in combat understand the stresses on troops particularly where civilians are involved. Might be complicit in mining or ieds. But we have to hold ourselves to standards. We actually are the good guys. So we didnt toleral dont tole civilians or detainees under our control. I think he is doing this for perverted political purposes. It is damaging to the image of the u. S. Armed forces. It places our forces at risk telling our adversaries well accept the murder of unarmed detainees. Bad option. He should not do this. Jeff, let me turn to you. Your colleague writing about the potential for this happening abo and he writes that the president likes tough action where tough is a euphemism for put that into context. Yeah, i think he is right on that point with that weve seen the president support the torture of detainees. And now he is making this political point of considering pardoning people who are accused of war time atrocities. That is so beyond what is acceptable, beyond what the United States is supposed to stand for. And i think that this ties in as well to the story we mentioned earlier about the armed sale to saudi arabia. We see this president who very much sees himself as a strong man sort of singular leader. He is trying to bypass congress to sell arms to a nation that is one of the worlds greatest human rights abusers, that fuels violence extremism all around the world. And that frankly alienates the u. S. Through this partnership with saudi arabia that is also apartheid state, quite abusive to women. So we se

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