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understandable, there is a raging pandemic in the country. that is only getting worse. today confirms the united states has surpassed 10 million covid-19 cases. it has killed 239,000 fellow americans. tomorrow president-elect joe biden will reveal his plan to fight the virus announcing his own coronavirus task force. the biden transition team will officially launch on monday. with 73 days until biden is sworn in. as the 46th president of the united states. >> it's time to put away the harsh rhetoric. lower the temperature. listen to each other again. >> the road ahead will not be easy. america ready. so are joe and i. >> today the president-elect spent his sunday like he always does. going to church. he visited the date of his late son. trump spent the second day playing golf. we have heard very little from the sitting president. no concession. no gaggle with the white house press core and most importantly no formal address to you, the american people. here's texas senator cruz earlier today on fox. >> at this point we do not know who is prevailed in the election. the media is desperately trying to get everyone to kor nate joe biden as the next president. that's not how it works. the media doesn't get to select the president. the american people get to elect our president. >> we know the trump administration has a long history of filing frivolous lawsuits. he will threaten to sue anything and anyone he doesn't like. there's a difference between filing and a win. there have been half a dozen lawsuits the campaign filed so far. related to the election. some have been dismissed and more likely to be. to be clear, greater clarity in a moment. from someone smarter than i am. there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud. no evidence of little scale voter fraud. there's this before coming on the air tonight the majority of the remaining ballots in arizona are not expected to be as trump heavy. biden is leading arizona tonight by nearly 17,000 votes. with 98% in. there are between 33 and 80,000 ballots left to count in arizona. a mirgety of them are provisional. and those that have to be specially processed. ranging from military and over seas ballots to braille, large print. or damaged ballots. the biden campaign is paid little attention to the lawsuits choosing to enjoy the victory. three decades in the making. don't call it a come back. i have been here for years. with that i welcome my friend. host of the beat. our chief legal correspondent. i worked on that. so you know. i don't know much about the law. >> you're giving me biden said knock you out vibes. >> thank you. i have been looking forward to this all day. here's the thing. for a guy like me who doesn't know law. i get the legal knowledge from you or law and order. it strikes me that there is no one objecting to any fundamental truth about which the trump campaign has got itself tied up in knots. no one is saying he's a pile of votes don't count them. this is not 2000. a question as to whether someone cast a ballot for gore. everybody is on the same side. count all the votes. democrats have been on the same side since the beginning. count all the votes. trump has been inconsistent. count some votes and stop the counting. >> you're right. that's why it differs from past examples. if something is hanging by a single state and there's an actual voting controversy. you might be able to drag it out. this is not that situation. the margins are clear. there's no cases no pending case that could change the out come of the result. ted cruz knows better. because he was a very celebrated attorney in private practice. and i believe handled appeals in the state of texas before he got here. it is certainly fine to say that out standing issues will be litigated. sure. there's a right to a recount. no open case that has any chance of changing the out come. cruz and others know that. that leaves us in a situation we're in. legal battle hit a brick wall. the margins are not close. president-elect biden will be the president in january. what we have from donald trump over the two days is tweets and the desire to make it seem somehow murky. >> let me give yo a couple things they're suing about. i'm in pennsylvania. if you mail in your ballot you have to mail the ballot, security envelope and three things it weighs a certain amount. you can't canvas before election day. they were weighing them in the county. to say your ballot doesn't weigh enough. you may have done something wrong. would you like it cure it. there's that stuff going on. there's no ballot in rivers. ballots in garbage bins or du dumpsters. there's nothing, no thing. that we're talking about. we're talking about counting all the ballots. >> there's no evidence of voter fraud. christy on down is noting that. this is why we are sunday night. we didn't know we would be here. we're careful with the calls. independent news organizations made the calls. and there's a clear margin. we have a president-elect. we don't have anything like the open legal issues or voter fraud. what we're left with, i say this factually. the fraud is donald trump's twitter stream. that is soon to be ex-president donald trump. that's the fraud. that's why independent platforms put warnings before you read or open the information. we might open it and look at it for fact checking. that is the fraud. that is the fakery. the truth is there are margins in the states that are over turned. i'll always be fair. if there are open proceedings and any given state, we'll keep an eye on it and follow them. >> i know you. you'll be on it. here's the question. there's business that has to be done. no official call. at some point in early december the electors get together and cast the ballot and elect a president and on noon on january 20, a new president is sworn in. the general service administration the branch of government that holds the keys and the buildings and keeps them clean. they are not authorizing the transition team to get the computer sign ins and badges and office space. they said the constitution is not as determined by the constitution we don't have a clear winner. what does that mean? what is a clear winner mean legally? >> i don't think that issue means much. they are under the office of the trump administration. it is true that we have a time line followed where states certify results. we haven't hit that day yet. this i wonder -- i was thinking about this how the fact it got slowed down for political junkies was like it's delayed. for country is took a few days and calmly watch it absorb. we're in a better place today sunday night than going into tuesday. when people were worried. mostly because of trumps statements that somehow this would be in doubt. it's no longer in doubt. once states certify the results. those are all the normal deadlines in state law. in the constitution. and the process plays out from there. >> today is my wife's birthday. four years ago it was her birthday november 8. election day. i didn't celebrate it i was covering the election. we had dinner tonight. i was goog lg rap lyrics that have something to do with election out comes. thanks to you. you caused a little tension. >> you did great with the ll cool j. happy birthday to your wife and election day. which comes around every two or four years. >> good to see you my friend. thank you for work you do. all right. delaware. after a night of celebration joe biden plotting a white house transition. plans for his first days in the office as 46th president are already in the works. joining me now is news correspondent. who you have all seen and know. mike, you can't see with the mask on what he looks like. he's been at this for far longer than he looks. he has been working with joe biden in some fashion you have been covering him since 2008. and now he's going to be the president of the united states of america. >> how about that. yeah, the first time i actually covered a joe biden presidential campaign event in october of 2007. in the remote north country of new hampshire. and little did i realize as a young reporter i would be covering him today as president-elect. here we are. it's interesting, we talk about where the biden team is at this point. last night at this point they were celebrating enjoying a spectacular fire works display. reveling in victory. addressed the nation as president-elect. tomorrow the reality of the job ahead of them comes into focus. as they stand up the transition team and a real signal of priorities and the first thing we'll hear from the president-elect about is announcing 12 member task force to deal with the coronavirus pandemic. he included this in the victory speech. and the goal is imlimit tplemen agenda. as well as of yale. a three person cochair of the task force. and then we'll begin to see biden leaning into the things he talked about in the closing weeks. including reaching out to the nations governors. and trying to assemble a task list of what they need on day one of the administration. and have legislation on the desk to get resources to them. >> we will be talking much in the coming days. thank you for your coverage. covering the president-elect of the united states. the biden catch works on plans for the january transition. president trump is claiming falsely that the election is far from over. reporting tonight the president plans to brandish obituaries of people who voted but are deceased in effort to prolong the fight. and plans to hold campaign style rallies focussed on litigation. and announce specific recount teams in key states. carol lee is here now with more. carol, this is the kind of thing that takes this from the absurd into the real. if the trump appointed general services add mirs doesn't give the transition team the basic tools they need because the election hasn't been won. that stops the transition. trump is going to do the thing he does best. hold rallies and tweet non-sense. they have a plan around this. a plan around rallies to convince people this is a false out come of the election. >> yes. they do. it's really quite a split screen. given everything that mike just said out lining the biden team is headed with the transition. and to have the president planning to go out in the battleground states that are are still in his view contested and holding rallies. it's two realities. that is what our own reporting confirmed. the president plans to hold the rallies and it's not clear if he will be headlining every one of the rallies. the expectation is they will take place in states that are ongoing and having recounts. where the president and his legal team have mounted various lawsuits and are mounting legal challenges against the out come. we have that and if the president does bring forward evidence or whatever it is. that's because he wave something around as a rally doesn't make it fact. doesn't make it verified or vetted. he plans to take that route. it's not unlike what other things we have seen him do in the past. it is now it's a time when we're trying to typically would be transitioning to a different government. there would be a hand over happening behind the scenes and out in public. the president usually hosts his successor after an election. that's not happening. the president is going to hold the rallies. and the campaign is deploying staff into states and announced they'll have individuals heading up the recounts in various states. they announce georgia today. we expect more of this. the president is really digging in. and all signs pointing to the fact he'll go in this direction. for now. >> here's the thing. georgia is closish. and arizona is getting less close. but close. he can't make up the numbers. is he going to do it in every state? is somebody telling the president the truth. you can prolong it. january 20 a new president will be sworn in. you can't make up the numbers. there aren't enough people dead people in states to flip enough states to get you 270 votes. >> we know that there are people around the president who recognize that these lawsuits and challenges are not something that will necessarily change the out come. the president is determined on this. there is a limited amount of time. he can't go recount forever. this is not something that will carry on for endless weeks. this will carry on potentially a number of weeks. states have different deadlines for when the vote is certified and when someone can recount would start. if they play this out, this is something that is going to go on for several weeks at a time. some of the feeling around the people who work for the president is that this is an exercise that he needs to go through. and wants to go through. they have to get on board. so that's what we have seen so far. >> thank you for your reporting. in washington. this moment is not just about joe biden defeating trump. it's about who joe biden chose as his vice president. >> what a testament it is to joe's character. that he had the audacity to break one of the most substantial barriers that exist in our country. and sleelect a woman as vice president. while i maybe the first woman in the office, i will not be the last. >> this morning for the first time ever, little girls especially little girls of color across the country woke up with proof that they too can become the vice president of the united states. as a daughter of immigrants. the graduate of a historically black college. howard university. her rise to the vice president is a story of hope. it's a story of power. a story of proof. proof of progress. that this country did not have just 48 years ago. joining me to discuss the pure power of this moment. founder of the me too movement. you're who i thought of when it happened. because of the images we have seen in the last few days. the little girls dressed up as kamala harris. the girls who will wake up and see her as vice president of the united states. for a movement that you have been involved in, this has to be a massive lurch forward. >> it is. i think representation is important. we should always think about representation and what kamala harris means to young girls around the country. in particular girls of color. i'm so much more intrigued by what she will bring to the office. than what she represents. the representation is great. we need to have it and always celebrate it. as a person who has done this work for a long time i'm excited about the possibility of what she can bring to the position. >> let's talk about what needs to be brought to the position. we have discussed this. while we want a world in which women are free to walk on the streets, work in a place free of harassment and assault. we want a world in which women earn the same money as men for the same work. and we do not live in that world. black women and women or color earn the same money as white women. and earn the same as men. we don't work in that world either. there is actual work that kamala harris and joe biden can do to advance this cause of the equality for women. which is not finished. >> absolutely. that is what we talk about the transition and the first hundred days, that's the scene we'll focus on. more so than what they represent. what policies will you bring? she was one of the only presidential candidates who spoke directly about sexual violence. and had a history of working against sexual violence. she protected child sexual abuse survivors and revenge porn. the rape kit backlog and things like that during her tenure. that's exciting. we know that biden has supported things. like college sexual assault on campus. we want those things to continue. and because she grew up as a black woman in america she knows about what black equity looks like. what lack of equality looks like. i hope that's a driving force in the policies they come up with. >> while we're talking about this campaign, while we have coronavirus. one thing important to remember is when this is behind us we will have me too. and sexual violence. how much is knowing what it looks like and kamala harris's case having been a prosecutor and understanding it. how much is a matter at the federal level? where is the most work remaping to be done? at the state level, in companies across america, education, what is it? what's left to do before we end this? >> to the honest it's multiple interventions. in our history the only time we have seen the needle move is we have had multiple interventions. we need legislative intervention. we had survivor summit. survivors from around the country put together a an agenda. and tell us and politicians and people who represent them exactly what they want and need. they need to look to pieces of agenda like that. to help set policy. we need culture intervention. grass roots intervention. we need people who are thinking about ways to end sexual violence and every different facet. that means -- i think of the comparison to tobacco and cigarette smoke now vs. 30 years ago. that took multiple interventions. we have research that said secondhand smoke was bad. and hollywood saying we won't have tv smoking on tv anymore. laws changed. lawsuits happened. all that had to happen. to get us to the place where this generation of young people think smoking is bad. we can end sexual violence. we have to have all of the interventions happening at the same time. part of it is having people in the white house who we can sit down with and talk about the interventions. i'm excited to have at least some people in the white house who can come to the table about it. >> thank you for the great important work that you have done. thank you for being here to help the audience understand it. a recount and run off to talk about georgia. how they turn out could sway the ballot of power in the united states senate. how to move america forward with a congress divided as the country itself. with 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yield the same result. >> recounts in georgia essentially mean a rescan of what's been done very pain stakeingly over the last five days. we know whether it's tomorrow or next week, the result will be the same. joe biden has won the state of georgia. >> joining me now from atlanta. you are in the hot spot. as this week has gone. we were looking at philadelphia as the place where it's all happening. now it's atlanta. where it's all happening. it's so close. it's so much to do with what stacey abrams has done. and we have two unsettled senate seats there. which could throw control of the senate to the democrats. what is the situation? >> democrats are certainly hoping that will will be the case. we see it with ads under way here. they have gone up again on the air waves with ads here ahead of the senate run off. and in addition stacey abrams as you mention has done so much here to mobilize voters has implored supporters to donate to the campaigns. she released a video on twitter a few weeks ago and raised $3.6 million for the campaigns in just 48 hours. we're seeing similar efforts here happening on the republican side of the effort as well. it is going to be a competitive next couple weeks leading up to the run off. in addition to that andrew yang has signalled he is going to be moving here. he and a number of staffers will be moving here to help bolster the democratic senate candidates. he tweeted in part the best thing that democrats can do for joe biden is going to be get him a democratic senate. >> i lived in atlanta for a while. it was an exciting place. it's about to be the most exciting place in america. as soon as he is sworn in joe biden plans to sign a flurry of executive orders to reverse trump administration policy. as we found across the country this weekend it's partially why so many americans were out in the streets celebrating the democratic process. that fired donald trump. >> what happened the last four years, going to bed every night worried. i feel like joe biden is the right answer the right person. he has a heart. character. just to make everything better. >> feeling like america made the right decision. that will be back to the foundation of america. equality coming together. >> we have been down here so many times for climate change and black lives matter. we have been down here so many times when we're upset and worried and angry. it seems great to celebrate. and be part of the celebration. >> legislating in a post trump america comes with huge hurdles. biden will face a republican senate possibly. led by the self-proclaimed grim reaper when it comes to democratic legislation. mitch mcconnell. and biden will face a progress i have wing of his own democratic party bound to hold his administration accountable. alexandria ocasio-cortez easily won this new york. telling the "new york times" quote the last two years have been hostile. we have been winning externally. there's been support. internally it's been extremely hostile no anything that smells progressive. i spoke with vermont is that right. about where a progressive agenda fits into a biden administration. >> if the question is do i believe that the progressive movement today deserves important places in the biden administration the answer is absolutely. we are an integral part of the democrat coalition. i'm not saying we're dominant. we are an important part that deserve representation. in the biden administration. >> maybe he's the guy to do this. maybe he can walk that very thin line. joining many now somebody who knows joe biden. he worked closely with him. the former hud secretary during the obama administration. he was a former 2020 democratic presidential candidate running against joe biden. secretary, you actually moved the needle on the immigration topic. you were the most advanced thinker about how to deal with daca and dreamers and people who cross our southern border. and other candidates adopted your view over time. talk about how joe biden walks this line. on one hand negotiating and trying fo get things done with mcconnell and republicans if the senate stays in republican control. on the other hand bringing progressives into the fold in the way that doesn't make them feel like outsiders in the democratic party. >> you're right. he has to do both. which he do both. he's off to a good start. the speeches yesterday by president-elect biden and vice president-elect harris. were great speeches. about unity and bringing the country together. and bringing the democratic party together. this fall we were very unified. my hope is we will be continue to be a big tent party. when it comes to valuing the voices and the policies of progressives. you always need your base to be energized. to win elections. and that means part of the challenge for the next few months and years is to produce results that include some progressive policy. everybody recognizes that nobody whether it's prgives or moderates or conservative democrats will get everything they want. also recognize that you are dealing perhaps i think we can actually take the two is that the run off ts in georgia. it's possible mcconnell will be the majority leader again. there's nobody that is bert suited to dealing with that situation than joe biden. with 36 years of experience in the senate. having sheparded major legislation to the federal assault weapons ban. stewarding the recovery act. funds more than a decade ago. he and president obama found themtss very much dealing with what he'll deal with in january. a an economy in tatters. he has the experience to bring people together and execute well. >> what's a thing that has to happen? alexandria ocasio-cortez was fair will determined about the fact she feels a great deal of hostility from democratic establishment. what's the thing that has to happen? policy shift? reaching out? i spoke to sanders this morning. he didn't seem to think it was a fight. he seemed to think there's influence at the progressive wing of the democratic party has and they should show that influence and should play out. >> i think it's all of those things. it's reflection and leadership. it's reaching out by the administration. and joe biden is going to have the opportunity to make a appointments hopefully. i believe there will be progressives in his administration. i was troubled to read about mitch mcconnell's plan to try and curtail the appointment of progressives to the biden administration. traditionally there's a lot of latitude president's have to appoint their own cabinet and folks in other positions. so, that looks like it is brewing into a fight. joe biden has tremendous experience in working across the aisle. and getting things done. and he's going to have to lean on that. now more than ever before. >> secretary, good to see you. we have known each other for a while. we were asked to most memories from past elections. found a picture of us in front of the alamo in 2008. doing an interview. i posted that. that was a long time. we broke some bread and had a nice conversation. good to see you all these years later. >> great to see you. you're welcome back in san antonio any time. >> i enjoy that city. i will be back. joe biden promise to black and minority voters who are vital to getting him across the finish like. promising to work for those who voted for donald trump. we'll dig into that. for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ it's a new dawn... if you've been taking copd sitting down, it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood 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a principal of the black to the future action fund. awe thr of the purpose of power. how we came together when we fall apart. i have not had an opportunity to speak with you on this occasion about this thing. for the work that you do in the mission that you have, how important is it that joe biden is going to become the president of the united states. and that kamala harris is going to be the vice president? >> it's incredibly important. i can say that for so many people, at this last few days has been a big sigh of relief. in the white house right now we have somebody who has been courting white supremacists and white nationalists group. denying the pandemic. that is ravaging families and homes across the country. particularly in black communities. and someone who literally is not participating in many of the global kind of agreements that keep the world peaceful. this election was incredibly important for the work we need to do. with that being said, there's a ton of work to do moving forward. and i'm so glad that you raise that there's a lot to think about in terps of what it means for joe biden to be accountable to black communities who will help to get him to the place he's in. >> i was talking too secretary castro about the line between dealing with the mcconnells of the world to get legislation done. and the progressives in the party. that alexandria ocasio-cortez was talking about. or bernie sanders. there's another thing talking about minorties and african-americans the people who joe biden says brought him to the dance, they don't necessarily fit neatly into a bucket. all black americans are not progressive. they are not all democrats and those that are might be conservative. they still brought him to the party. and still want attention paid to their needs. what does that look like for biden? paying attention to the needs of african-americans actually mean? >> it means that joe biden and his administration are going to have to focus. and prioritize making sure that this piece of the coalition that was necessary for him to win, shows up in his agenda. not just the first 100 days. but the next four years. frankly, black communities we're not a monolith. there are things we want in common. we want to see coronavirus are relief and recovery. understanding because of the lack of infrastructure in our communities, the coronavirus is devastating black communities in particular. we also want to see economic relief. in our black agenda from the black to the future action fund and census project the number one issue keeping black people in america up at night was wages that were too low. and lack of access to affordable healthcare and housing. what we're going to need to see from the administration is to deliver results for the people. i understand that this administration maybe balancing a number of things related to the party. we have to remember that there are people who need relief. and relief from being hurd murdered in the street without accountability. lack of -- >> there's a delay. >> there's a will the of places in which we need relief. this administration is going to have to deliver to the people who got them here. >> part of relief just looks like not fighting. not arguing it's actually happening. the last several months we saw it happen. with george floyd. we saw is happen over and over and over again. and a president didn't think it was a thing. >> not only did this president not think it was a thing. he used it as a political football. some folks picked up the football for donald trump. maybe intentionally. we have to deliver results to the people who need it most. we cannot continue to adopt republican talking points and scare and fear amongering tactics as our own. what's important to our community is that there's accountability. when police murder in our community. what's important to our community is that our economic conditions shift. what important in our community is that we have access to the infrastructure that has been intentionally decimated but the republicans for the last 30 years. this is something that has to be placed front and center. and all of this jockeying around who is going to be the kind of moral center of the party needs to stop. ultimately what with e need to figure out is how so deliver real things to real people. so that in four years we're not back here again. >> from your mouth to their ears. exactly right. stuff need to actually get done. we thank you for that. principal of black to the future and author of the purpose of power. joe biden planning to tackle coronavirus on day one. america has officially surpassed 10 million cases. how quickly can the administration get us out of the crisis. my next guest. panera's chef cls makes a pizza, he doesn't just make a pizza. he uses fresh, clean ingredients to make a masterpiece. taste our delicious new flatbread pizzas today. panera. hi susan! honey? yeah? i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad... 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first and how quickly can we be rolled out of this crisis even in the best of circumstances? joining me, kathleen sebelius. the tragedy of this election is that it has taken our focus off coronavirus. and the tragedy of the nonsense of the trump campaign continuing its rallies is he's not focused on coronavirus. joe biden is going to announce his task force tomorrow. what can and should they do? >> joe biden has been advised by a team of experts all during the campaign and has listened to them. those experts will be available to the american public on a regular basis. that's really helpful. you'll also see the president-elect not contradict what the science is saying but trying to reenforce what we know to be the steps. until we get a safe and effective vaccine, we have a limited set of tools. i think that's where the biden administration will begin to focus. we have to ramp up testing. we are not doing nearly enough in spite of what donald trump has continued to say. we have to have a much more consistent policy around that. we know this virus doesn't know borders, doesn't know red states or blue states and is now ravaging the midwest. rural communities are really struggling. masking, social distance and taking a very calibrated approach to what schools can do and can't do, what they need to do to pivot quickly if there are outbreaks in the schools and communicating with the american public that there will be a transparent and available vaccine as soon as one is ready. >> you were a governor. a lot of the work that has to be done has to be done at the state and local level. what we have seen under donald trump is confusion reigning supreme with some governors, saying it's up to everybody whether they want to wear a mask or social distance. what can the president actually do? he's going to have to make this happen with governors. >> you bet. i think he will begin to communicate with governors right now. every governor has been asked to submit a plan to the president. we don't know real what's in those plans. we don't know how wildly different they are or how similar they are. i've been told the federal government still under donald trump has kind of washed their hands of what they plan to do. you know, it's up to the governor to figure out where it goes and how to get it there. i think every governor will welcome a national strategy around logistics, a federal response and national communications around mask wearing. it does no good for a governor to try and put in place a mask mandate when you have the president of the united states defying the science on masks over and over and over again, including election night where now we know that his chief of staff is covid positive. god only knows how many people were infected in that super spreader event. you will see a consistent message agreeing with science starting at the beginning and working right now. you know, there are 11 weeks until the inaugural. he will not have power then. he will have a 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