we've had the loss of one life, bloodshed inside the u.s. capitol. when we saw the collection of police and fire near the trump hotel on pennsylvania avenue. it's been confirmed it was a stabbing of an adult male. that's all we know. that's what they were responding to. where profiles in courage, cathy mcmorris-rodgers said she's no longer going to object to the certification of the electoral college and she's going to admit to the peaceful transfer of power and the fact that joe biden was elected president. let's bring in david ignatius, veteran journalist, author, columnist, editor at the washington post. your name was already invoeblgd once during our coverage today. i'm curious having just heard from frank figluzzi, a recitation of the separatist groups we've known and loved around the world, i'm tempted to ask you where this ranks in stories you've covered in this country but why stop there. stories you've covered in foreign capitols, foreign governments. >> brian, this looks like an insurgency. you look at the faces, rage, lawlessness, attempt to strike at symbols of power. the way in which the internet has been used as a source of recruitment. there are some eerie parallels. i want to underline something frank said a few moments ago. people who are planning for the law enforcement response, planning the police presence, planning the fbi roll knew that the capitol was a target. they expected there would be a march down pennsylvania avenue from the ellipse after the initial gathering in the morning and they assumed that the capitol police would be able to expand their perimeter and protect the capitol. it's not like they didn't see this coming. they did. one of the ridless is just on a basic tactical level, why weren't there more compaapitol police present? how did they allow this breach to happen? one other point, the officials that i've been talking to over the last several weeks who, again, saw this crisis coming on january 6th have been concerned about the danger donald trump would try to draw the u.s. military into protecting his presidency, the challenge of the election results. some new invocation of the insurrection act on his behalf to advance his cause. they were determined to keep the military out of any effort to challenge the election and in that sense i think we can be glad even though the response looked awfully timid that u.s. military troops were not involved. the national guard was not visibly present during the difficult moments. those images, an american tiananmen is what the insurgents wanted. they department get that. they didn't get that moment of martyrdom that i think they were seeking. i think that's part of what lies behind a response that puzzles a lot of us. why wasn't it more forceful? people did not want to mill tar rise this. >> david, where do you think mike pence is? who do you think he's talking to? who do you hope he's talking to? same is the leadership, gang of four, schumer, mcconnell, their power flipped in the midst of this, pelosi and mccarthy. where are they all? what do you reckon they're talking about? >> well, i think they must feel a deep sense of embarrassment they've enabled trump and that they can see now the cost. these images today i think have done more to undermine the future of the trump insurge against against si if anything. people lucks our rating in speaker pelosi's office like they own it or cavorting in the senate chamber. people are disgusted by that. i think if you're speaker pelosi, you probably as embarrassing and upsetting as this is, you feel this moment has blown itself up in some ways. mcconnell made clear this morning before the assault on the capitol that he couldn't abide trump's lawlessness, trump's defiance of the election result. he'd jump ship visibly and publicly. so i think the conversation, i can't guess what pence is thinking, but i think the conversation among the senators is we need to be careful. this is a movement people are going to look at and say, that doesn't look like something i want to be part of. >> sorry for the delay there. this is rachel maddow jumping in from the other side of the studio there in new york, mr. ignatius. thank you very much for joining us. i'm struck by these two really rich loads of reporting that you have had recently, one which you were just describing this desire, concern among upper reaches of the military that the president not be allowed to effectively invoke military force to protect his presidency and seeing today there being no visible use of the military in a way that might have created a martyrdom moment for the protestors. on the other hand, you've had a rich load of reporting about the preparations for today's events. you reported yesterday, planning for the process has been coordinated by an inner agency team, acting secretary, secretary of homeland security, backed by the chairman of the joint chiefs and from your reporting i felt very comforted that there was a lot more planning than we had expected. as you reported, that they tried to storm the capitol they would be arrested. i do feel like there's a big difference between having tanks in the streets and a tianamen moment of martyrdom and being able to run through the capitol. whatever planning happened, they were under prepared for the amount of violence brought to bear against the building. >> i think you put it exactly right, rachel. i think they were right not to want to mill tarrize this. they thought they had adequate forces. they thought the 6,000, 8,000 d.c. police plus fbi, plus s.w.a.t. teams, law enforcement people from various federal agencies that they were gathering would be sufficient. they put a lot of reliance on the capitol police. i think as we look back at what happened that was misplaced. i do think you're right. they were under prepared. they were sensible in not wanting us to look like a military confrontation, but the coordination, the ability to move as quickly as the protesters -- protesters, the insurgents did was lacking. i think that's going to be at the center of the examination that should take place about what happened. but, again, i think the importance of the fact that this movement, this insurgency has undermined its cause with actions that seem to repel even the most passionate critics of biden's election, people part of the challenge of the certification of the electoral college vote, i think that's really important. that's a big part of what happened today is that this movement, you know, essentially popped its own balloon. >> in terms of the preparations you were able to report on and the thinking of the people involved to brace for this moment which i think did go off the rails in a way that wasn't anticipated, should we expect that people who broke into the capitol and broke those windows and carried firearms into the district and did all these other -- committed all these other federal crimes that we've seen committed today on tape and in film, should we expect they'll be prosecuted? is that a policy decision for the incoming justice department? is that something u.s. attorneys will be allowed to pursue? >> well, it's the right question. obviously it's a question for the new administration, but i would think that law enforcement, the fbi, the capitol police itself are just deeply embarrassed and enraged at what was done today and they will want to be at the front of those wanting a prosecution of the people who vandalized -- evaded and vandalized the capitol. i think there's going to be a movement from inside from federal law enforcement itself demanding this. again, as people -- i'm talking to my sources tonight before coming on the air. what i heard was we think the right force was in place but we can't answer the question why it didn't move more quickly and decisively in the key moments before the capitol was seized. >> david ignatius, washington post. a foreign affairs columnist and so much more. it's an honor to have you here. thank you. >> thanks, rachel. >> i would mention as i handed it back over to my friend nicole wallace here that we've been wondering sort of behind the scenes why some of the president's more inflammatory and inciting tweets have been put out. twitter put out a statement that they required that and are threatening to shut down the president's twitter account for inciting violence. that's where we are. back over to you. >> thank you, rachel. truly remarkable to listen to david ignatius talk about the u.s. capitol today. we turn to our colleague vaughn hilliard who's on the scene. what are you seeing and where are you? >> reporter: nicole, i want people to see the perimeter that has been set up as congress prepares to enter into the joint session. this is for folks who have been to washington, d.c., you'll know exactly where i am. this is constitution avenue. it's run straight down towards the white house. the capitol grounds here right here on our left here, you can see where the police line has been set up. barricades are set up here. paul rigney is our great photographer. you've been seeing the senate office buildings. that's the russell senate office buildings. senators, there are three different senate office buildings and each senator has an office in one of those buildings. the same goes for members of the house. over on the house side three different house buildings. that's where you've seen a lot of members essentially retreat back to their offices back just down the road here. as you can see it by the police line here, those offices are included in this perimeter. police telling us there is nothing explosive, no dangerous devices left on site over the course of the last 90 minutes as those insurgents were pushed back here. you can see that is independence avenue on the other side where the national mall ultimately meets up with the capitol. you can see the police line of cars coming down ipd pen dense avenue and you can see before in the foreground of those police cars there are still probably 1,000 individuals that are still gathered but obviously a good several hundred yards away. it is 7 p.m. out here in washington, d.c., and if i could, nicole, just going to let it go silent for about ten seconds because union station, ten blocks down the road where amtrak runs through, where the metro runs through. constitution avenue, it's never quiet. right now what you hear are sirens. what you see are sirens. i think that clock is telling us it's 7 p.m. nicole, a couple seconds here to take this in. >> please. >> reporter: this is the nation's capitol washington d.c., january 6th, 2021. >> it's a date that will forever be on any google search. senator josh hawley, i want to read you something that has come through from his hometown newspaper. no one other than president donald trump himself is responsible for wednesday's coup attempt than one joshua david hawley. the 41-year-old senator who put out a fundraising appeal as the siege was underway. i want to ask you, vaughn, what you're hearing from either elected senators or house members or their staff members. is there any shame? is there any, i don't know, confessional tone? no one had any chance to react to senator mcdonnell's brutal indictment of donald trump's lies but it was prescient. i'm wondering what you're hearing from your sources on capitol hill. >> reporter: inside you had that shutdown situation. i've heard from officials. they were frustrated. they knew it would be a long night because of the republican objections. what i am waiting to hear more so is the voices from mike pence's operation, from ted cruz's operation. i first covered ted cruz's presidential campaign from 2015 and 2016 when he called president trump a pathological liar. he has a hard time loses. he throws a trumpertantrum. >> i remember. >> he got booed off that convention stage in 2016 because he learned the price. in order to succeed in this party you have to stand in line with donald trump. ted cruz did that. i covered mike pence's campaign. there was a staff that supported him as he was complicit with the president's actions over the campaign and over the several years. several staffers have left the white house. they have left vice president pence's side. alyssa farrah, a communications director for the white house now calling on president trump to speak out at the same time it took january 6th, 2021, for those actions. you work in politics. for merge to understand, a lot of us in journalism, we get to know the people in the campaigns, we get to know the principles. we get to know ted cruz and mike pence a lilt bit more as human beings. when you watch the decisions know over five years culminate to this moment, it will be difficult to have conversations to have with those people. not only tomorrow but into the weeks and months ahead. many are young individuals with their careers ahead. all of us as a country are watching what washington, d.c., became here today and i think those are conversations that you, myself, individuals that work in politics and journalism are going to have to confront. >> i'm sure if anyone hears the confessional accounts it will be folks like yourself. vaughn hilliard, live in washington, d.c. coming back to you. i want to bring in claire mccaskill on the same question i posed to my colleague vaughn. it's breathtaking. the kansas city star laying it out there. this is what they write about senator josh hawley. quote, no one other than president donald trump himself is more responsible about wednesday's coup attempt than joshua david hawley, 41-year-old junior senator who put out a fundraising appeal while the siege was underway. it's stunning to read those words in a newspaper, in your newspaper. >> yeah. this has been weird for me. i am old-fashioned and i was taught when you lose an election, you take the high road and you don't spend the next years of your life pointing out the flaws of your opponent who defeated you. i have tried, which is hard for me as you know, with some discipline to avoid direct criticism of josh hawley, but the moment is coming. by the way, that concept appears quaint at this point in time that we would try to have some kind of good manners about political losses in light of what josh hawley is engaged in. he has taken what he knows is a political loss for the president, that he lost the election. josh hawley is a very smart guy. josh hawley is stanford, yale law, clerked for chief justice roberts, has not said one word by the way defending justice roberts when lin wood called him a child molester. he knows better. he knows better. it is such a craven political move. is he calculating -- this is a guy who has more ambition than common sense. he barely got elected as attorney general. then he was running for the united states senate. he barely gets elected to the united states senate and he's running for president. in the process of him trying to be hyper ambitious, he has compromised not just what i think is integrity that you should have if you are an elected office holder but the national security. >> i'm going to reject the idea that he's smart because he went to fancy schools. we're going to have to agree to disagree. >> maybe intellectually smart. he's not smart. this is him with the fist raised to the men and women who committed crimes in insurrection and sedition. let me tell you what he put in motion. he has, quote, blood on his hands, end quote. what he put in motion and i know how the republicans roll is a race to the bottom when he came out and said he was going to join the republicans in the house. he didn't have the power to object to the counting of the certified electoral votes. he put in motion 11 other craven senators from the republican party joining him, and to see what happened today as this fully sponsored republican riot. this wasn't some fringy group. they walked directly from donald trump's rally down the same street to the u.s. capitol including one josh hawley. how smart can he be? >> yeah. smart's probably not the right word. because what he's done is not very smart politically or any other way, but he doesn't have an excuse that he doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand how craven his actions are. he was down there trying to campaign with those people this afterno afternoon. he -- you know, i said sarcastically on twitter i'm surprised he wasn't in the senate -- on the senate floor shaking hands with them as they were going through his colleague's desks. he was the one that broke i had had a number of republican senators say to me that the other 12 to 13 probably never would have gone there if hawley hadn't done what he did. so i do think this is on josh hawley and say even if he didn't want me there. >> brett asked him if he would look his supporters in the eye and tell them that on january 20th joe biden will be america's president. he couldn't say that and he wouldn't say that. do you have any predictions about whether this insurgent attack on the united states capitol and loss of control in the senate which by the way is an underreported banner headline of the day. let's put josh hawley and his b.s. aside for a second. democrats control the senate, claire. >> i know. you've got me on the roller coaster. they do control the united states senate. they control what people are going to vote on on the floor of the senate. what bills are heard. they control who gets a hearing and when. what are the subjects of the hearing. i do not want the biden administration to be consumed with the trump antics but there are some things that need to be looked at and fair and accurately one of the things that's going to be high on the agenda is the response to this riot and the security of our united states capitol. there is something terribly wrong when you have a president inciting people to a revolution and telling them to go down the street and make trouble and the police aren't even ready for it. it smells. as you keep referring to it, it's a slow-moving scandal. the right hearings will be held. we will start talking about domestic terrorism, we have had many deaths from domestic terrorism. republican chairman was more interested in hillary clinton's emails. we'll get the right legislation and oversight on the floor. i'm very proud of all of the people in georgia to have the great sense to make this right over the guy whining in the office. >> go ahead. >> i want to point something out. >> please. >> as that bus was coming in, i wasn't sure whether that bus was full of police officers or whether they were staging people. >> brian williams knows what the pictures are. >> he usually knows. maybe he can tell us. i was shocked that at a minimum once there was the kind of disruption there was that they hadn't begun to pull in buses to just do the zip tia rests and get people off the premises. if i were in the senate and the hearing was occurring in the homeland security room, those are the questions i would be asking, why wouldn't people be broken up in our beautiful building we should all revere. by the way, i've listened to you guys all day. >> go. >> there's a couple of other things. >> please, go ahead. >> one of the things that makes it a challenge, i heard -- i don't remember now which of our reporters was talking about the senators have three office buildings. i've got to point out that every single senator has an office in the basement of the capitol. that building is built, it's a labyrinth. so clearing that building is not like clearing an office building where every floor is the same. there are a hundred hide away offices scattered around the capitol for the u. states senators. if somebody wanted to make mischief, there are places they could hide, either themselves or a dangerous device. they do have a big job to get it cleared. i hope they get it cleared by 8. talking to senators, that's when they're going in, the ministerial, pro form ma function certifying all of the electoral votes. >> i'm glad to see you, my friend. brian, your name has been invoked on the buses. do you know what the buses were bringing in. >> i assumed them to be occupied because they arrived with escort both fore and aft. i took them to be occupied government buses. if normally a group arrest situation will say d.c. department of corrections, metropolitan police, something like that. that is why i made the sweeping assumption on television as those pictures came in that i did. i thought they were of note. they arrived in front of the capitol building itself. yasmin remains on post. where are you and what's the status of the police line you've been watching? >> reporter: yeah. so we're trying to figure it out, brian. i'm going to be honest with you because just the last couple of minutes they've been pushing further and further back. this is classic riot control what they're doing here. let's walk a little bit closer, miguel, to give folks a better sevens. they've created this perimeter. it's ee he sensely a circle. you've got police presence on both sides. you have people looking towards us and then you have folks on the inside of the perimeter looking in. inside of this circle, brian, there are protesters, folks that have been encased by this national guard, they've all created just in the last couple of minutes. they keep trying to kind of reinforce this circle and this formation every couple of minutes. building layers and layers. you can push on those buses. there are three buses that have pulled up. what i've seen before, i don't know this is happening, take people that are violating the curfews and put them on the buses. i don't know if that's happening here, but there are three buses baiting on the back side of this circle with a lot of protesters and rioters still inside of the circle talking to the police officers for what, shall we say, comes next. so for now it's changing minute by minute. i actually had an opportunity to speak to one of the police officers recently. they don't share much but you try to get any information you can because you want to make sure you're getting the right information out there and making sure you know what's happening. i asked him, what's happening? why are you doing this? the mayor's curfew has been violated. i think as the hours -- the minutes and the hours tick by, it's just going to get a lot worse in a way. when i say worse, all i mean is they're going to try to enforce it and get many people off of the streets. right now there's a couple hundred. i've been saying this all night. if you asked me if they would be able to get out of the chair. if they were going to be able to do it and be successful at it, i would have told you no way. they have been able to do it. they have been able to clear and secure the area for now, brian. >> all right. yasm yasmin, thank you for that. painted a vivid picture of the situation there. let's hope that is the last of it after this long day we've had. nicole? >> brian, just remarkable watching yasmin and vaughn, had the smartphone the way you listen to these. i don't know if enough time has passed, talking to claire mccaskill about the man who defeated her. blood on his hands represents extraordinary escalation and a story of a republican party so compromised that it forgot about doing the most fundamental parts of their job, protecting their constituents and protecting the country and in today's instance protecting the capitol and people there. >> let's talk about steve schmidt's phrase that this was a humiliating country. you've talked over and over today about the fact that the whole world is watching. what must the world think of us. constant purveyors on things like human rights. what must they make of us tonight? >> i think there are a lot of things america will never do again. america will never be invited to pro democracy endeavors. it's not a shining example of me? >> yes. the 12 members of the senate who were part of -- who planned and we'll see if they return to their positions, the hawley cruz position. i'm trying to thwart and your term it. they're so lucky that they're going to fail. they're so lucky that we are a democracy. in an autocracy which is what the their place looks like. as steve schmidt says. >> as claire mccaskill is describing, she's heard from members who expect to reconvene shortly, by 8:00 to restart the business at hand which is to certify the count of the electoral college to pave the way to be inaugurated. the president in two weeks -- it's 7:35 on the east coast. heading quickly towards that 8:00 time. our own garrett haich and seeing and inside the capitol near the senate floor including a counter intelligent. that had been set up as a counter assault force. we're looking at pictures all night about what's been happening in terms of protesters and police outside. it looks like there's motion with the business of the transfer of power. this is what the protesters and rioters have been able to delay for five hours. rand paul, pro trump senator, just took a hit per rabd paul. don't hold me to it. a per senator paul. when that vote happens which he said this about 24. i think it has been condensed to one vote. they will not a peelt all of the stakes and it's changing them somewhat, they are not prote protesting -- they are voting to overturn the election. essentially the republican plans to continue this quicksodic and inflammatory request by the president to defy it and that it was improper and it shouldn't be counted and certified at the capitol. rand paul suggesting on the republican side that that issue is dead. he will find out when they reconvene to do that. a couple of other fronts. u.s. attorney from the northern district whose name is justin heardman. i have two days left on the job. if these people or anybody else who committed federal crimes from the capitol today are from northern ohio, you are going to be held accountable. another u.s. attorney, robert duncan from the eastern district of kentucky jumping on that and saying exactly the same thing. he will follow along those same lines. if we can prove you traveled from your district here, you will be prosecuted. these are trump appointed u.s. attorneys in the hartland and pledging prosecution for violence in the u.s. capitol. we'll be joined now by another member of congress who has had a deshl day, a threat and wooild ly and grace may of new york and an incredible blessing. >> thank you for having me. >> we saw the images how you were barricaded inside an office space as rioters, it was barricad barricaded. very dramatic scenes. can you tell us where you've been, what your day and evening are like? >> sure. i spent the last five hours or so in what i thought was an anonymous safe space right at the capitol on the floor. i thought it might be safer than my office. around 1:30 we got alerts to stay away from others. within 15 minutes i started hearing a lot of stomping and chanting and shouting right now the side my door. i didn't have windows so i couldn't tell what was going on but i saw as i had msnbc on that they were actually marching around right outside my door. i got really frightened. i did my best to barricade myself in the room, turn off all the lights and any potential sound and i texted everyone i loved. >> congresswoman, were you there a lone. >> there was someone there with me. i had someone with me, yes. >> how are things resolving tonight? we've seen images of what appeared to be heavily armed law enforcement officers, a counter assault team off the floor of the u.s. senate. we are seeing police lines pushing rioters outside the congress. we are expecting the house per speaker pelosi and senate jort leader designate chuck schumer. we are expecting to get back to that. what's it like as it seems like security is being reinstalled. >> yeah, a lot has changed the last few hours. when i first went into that room there was not a very strong presence. there weren't yet a lot of people on capitol grounds yet. when i rescued out of that room an hour ago, there are so many different steps of law enforcement that i didn't even recognize they all had protective gear equipment on. just on our side on the house there must have been at least 50 or 60 of them just in the short walk that i took. >> who game and got you from the space where you were barricaded? >> the capitol police did. >> okay. when you say you were in touch with your family, your loved ones, what did you tell them? >> well, around 1:30 i got real nervous. i really had the feeling even if someone were to be to go up and i tested my family and just that i loved them. >> congresswoman, this is not the most important news of the night but it has happened while we've been talking. there have been questions whether republicans will call on resigning and seeing the hometown paper of senator josh yawly. >> we have seen it. the first lady's chief of staff has resigned. just been confirmed by nbc news. stephanie griff shach served as melania trump's -- first lady's chief of staff. i'd ask you for your response for that in terms of accountability for this terror you and your colleagues went through. >> these acts today whether they happen to members of congress and to the left that were in there, these are criminal and terrorist acts. they damaged, shot and fired in the people's house. i'm surprised it took republicans to get to this point. this is a president who has been incrieding violence since day one. while i never fully expected from days events and none of us would be excited. it promises to the u.s. capitol. you can't be surprised and their party can't act surprised that something like this happened today. >> grace mingh were barricaded. and please keep us apprised. we know it will be a long night yet. >> thank you to all of you. >> thank you. i mentioned that there have been calls for represent cabs to ask the president to resign. we've had one republican governor, phil scott from the state of vermont, call for the governor's resignation. it's from a business group, the national association of manufacturers, a large business group, going even one step further than that saying in a statement vice president pence who was evacuated from the capitol, we don't think he was taken out of the capitol. vice president pechbs, quote, should seriously work to invoke it. this is never before used portion of the constitution. it allows the president to be removed by the cabinet, vice president. have there been any sort of trends. this statement from speaker pelosi. a statement from the national security advisor, robert o'brien. the d.c. national guard on the streets and it's showing vice president pence has been acting as commander in chief. whether or not that means the vice president has in a de facto way assumed the responsibilities of the president while president trump has sided with the rioters and tried to incite them. >> i think you braided together all of the open, raw nerves of this story. i think at the heart of it is who's in control? when the american president becomes a national security threat. when everyone who's spoken out says the person who lit the match was the president and the fire threatened the life of the vice president and the men and women we've had a privilege of speaking to. two of them said on live television that they called loved ones to say good-bye. that's how bad it is. you're brading together the unanswered questions, which are who's in charge right now. we don't know the answer to that. joining us now, congresswoman cori busch calling for the expulsion of republican members who seek to try to overturn the results of the democratic election. thank you so much for spending some time with us. i want to ask you, how are you doing? >> i'm doing okay. my team and i, we are safe. we shelt tertd in place for the last several hours. they're hungry, but we are okay. >> me, too. can you just take us through what your day was like? i think a lot of people have been making this point. i'll never forget where i was on 9/11. tell me about your day. >> so i was actually in the house gallery when i just -- you know, i was listening to debate and it was the first state, you know, with the objection and i sat there for about an hour and i just felt like it was time to move, you know? so i went -- walked outside of the house gallery and went to look outside to see what was happening and when i found a space where i could actually see, the door was locked so i couldn't go out. i started to see trump flags coming up the steps and then i started to see people and so that's when i realized they were coming. i was able to then get away and i made it safely back to my office but when i made it back to my office, that's when the doors were breached at the capitol. and, you know, the sad part is, this is an attack on our democracy and on our nation's capitol and for our president, the current president that only has a few days left, for him to say that these are very special people, how much he loves them, my question for him is would you have so much love and respect if it was protestors like me fighting for black lives and if we did the same thing at the white house? >> congresswoman, i think we have the answer to that. we saw how he treated peaceful protesters after the killing of george floyd and the protests that ensued for the weeks and months afterward. i think that question has been answered by his conduct. i guess my question to you is what do you think happened today? do you think that capitol police were simply overwhelmed or do you -- because every member that we've spoken to feared for his or her life as early as yesterday. they had to have known today was possible. started from the ferguson uprising. it was strange. it was almost like there was this call to not use force. something was -- it's just -- i'm not used to seeing this where there could be this many people and there is nothing that looks like it's in place. there are picture and video of police officers or whatever the law enforcement was walking away, even hearing people talk about that by, you know, so i d know what the command was, what the call was for. but there were actual people, like we are people, we are lawmakers. we were at work and we have been told that when we are here on these grounds that we are safe. some of us have security detail because of things that have happened to us, but we are told when we are here that we are safe. but today was not that day. had it been people who looked like me, had it been the same amount of people but had they been black and brown, we wouldn't have made it up those steps. we wouldn't have made it to be able to get into the door and bust windows and go put our feet up on desks of congress members. we wouldn't have made it that far. we would have been shot. >> yes. >> we would have been teargassed, rubber bullets. that would have made it before we made it there. we need to call it what it is. it is white supremacy. it was white privilege and it was the call of our president, and it was encouraged by our republican colleagues, and that is why every single one of them, especially because they've been the ones trying to tale this election. that is why we are calling for them to be removed. they should not be seated. >> yeah. joy. >> representative bush, it is joy reid. how are you? i'm wondering, first of all, were you given a briefing as you were coming in? i know this was the week everyone was being sworn in. about security and warned, including about, for instance, the proud boys leader being released this week and potentially charged for ripping up the black lives matter sign, but also whether or not there would be other charges against him, what threat the proud boys might pose, and also what relationships, if any, proud boys' members might have with law enforcement, did you get any warning about the potential security implications of this proud boys' leader being released this same week that the president was planning a wild 6th of january? >> absolutely not. i didn't hear anything about the proud boys. i read it. you know, i read it in an article that the leader of the proud boys was arrested, but i didn't hear what happened after that. i did not get any briefing about the proud boys and what they were necessarily doing. we were told that there would be activity, that there would be protests today, and we were told how to stay safe. we were told, you know, to come in early and things like that, but we weren't told specifics about the proud boys or anything. at least i wasn't. maybe i'm too far, maybe i'm too fresh of a freshman to get that information. >> yeah. well, i don't know, because i'm wondering because the proud boys have had a relationship with this president either on social media or this particular proud boy taking pictures of himself inside the white house, and so there seems to be some kind of communication or relationship at least at some level. he told them stand back. my follow-up question to you, given the fact we saw police allowing these rioters through gates, taking selfies with them, treating them gently or almost as if they are friends, friendly with these insurrectionist rioters, do you feel safe? do you feel protected by capitol police? because they're the ones that are charged with your safety. >> you know, i felt safe with capitol police, more safe than i felt with any other police up until today. because the capitol police have been very nice to me and been very helpful and very welcoming, but today, this was a different thing, because you know what? i have been teargassed so many times. i have been unconscious on the ground due to tear gas. i have been brutalized by the police, stomped, you know, thrown up in the air by police in my hometown. you know, so many others and so much of it and all of it in defense of black lives. all of it saying we want black people to live in this country, that we want the respect, we want our rights. that's all we've been saying, is keep your hands off of us and do your job and protect and serve. that is what we've been fighting for, and then we get this push back and this brutality from the police. then today we have people who actually stormed the u.s. capitol. we have people who actually went into congress members' offices and people who put our lives in danger. a woman lost her life and they allowed it. let me say this. i'm walking through from the capitol to my office and there was not a lot of police activity. there was no one. no one came to this door to check and knock on the door to say, congress member bush, are you and your team "ok!"? you know, we are sending text messages letting people know, i'm letting our committees know we're okay, other committee members know we're okay. something happened. i tell you what, the national guard, when they're called -- when they were called to ferguson or any other part of st. louis, it was not a thing. we didn't have to wait to find out that was happening. often time that happened even when it was said we were having a protest. so i don't understand how this happened like this. i don't understand how we were put in this position in our places of business, our lives were, you know, at risk today. my staff, their lives were at risk today. they don't deserve that. they were here to do a job for the american people, and we weren't protected. >> yeah. well, i can tell you that i have friends who were searching for friends who are black staffers and members who they couldn't locate today and they were pretty terrified. i understand you are going, you are destined for the oversight and reform committee. so i hope that there will be hearings, congresswoman, and so we will be keeping up with you. please keep up with us as well. we hope that there will be hearings because i think there needs to be, that the d.c. metro police need to answer some questions. thank you so much. i will throw it back to rachel now. >> thank you, joy. remarkable interview. a remarkable freshman member of congress there. watch out where she is going. she is clearly going places in this house. one of the things that congresswoman bush said there was that she and some of her colleagues are asking that some members of congress not be seated, that they get expelled essentially from congress for having taken part in inciting today's insurrection at the u.s. capitol. that is a thing that could actually happen if congress put its mind to it. that is a live legal issue, another live legal issue is whether or not there will be prosecutions for the violations of federal crime that we saw on tape today as these mobs broke glass and broke into the capitol and ransacked and looted it to the extent that they could, vandalized offices, assaulted police officers. joining us now is our friend ari melber who keeps us up with so many things. at the top of the hour at 8:00 we think we will hear remarks from senator mitch mcconnell, so keep an eye on that. i will be looking to see whether or not he will be talking about meting out any sort of punishment against republicans who incited what happened today. >> yeah, rachel. i mean to the points you raised, number one, both houses of congress, the house and the senate control whether and how to seat members and whether to remove members. the constitution provides for expulsion. the how does it at a two-thirds vote. obviously a high bar, but it can happen. we should note with all of today's discussion on this sad day of how far you have to go back to see the capitol breached, this capitol we look at under nightfall tonight with washington under curfew, many of the expulsions that have occurred where the house has taken that extraordinary measure and voted to expel members were around deeming members disloyal in the context of the civil war. 15 senators and five house members in total have been expelled. as for the other point you raise, i will touch on it briefly, rachel. when this scene was first breaking out, i like many was watching your breaking news coverage. you raised immediately the legal evidence on the ground that showed it appeared so many people breaking laws and then being treated with great leniency as they stormed the stairs. so i will point out for you and for viewers, there are several federal crimes here at issue. there's trespassing, obviously. going on to property in an unauthorized manner. there's entering what is called a restricted government building under federal law. that is any government building like this one where, for example, someone is appearing independence secret service protection, in this case vice president pence, that's a crime. if you enter the building with a deadly weapon or in a manner that leads to grievous body injury or death, that's a felony punishable up to ten years, if someone enters the building unlawfully and is linked to the conduct duct. there's also physical damage to property. i know you were reporting late tonight on some u.s. attorneys speaking out on this. as a matter of federal procedure, there is evidence of a great many crimes committed today. the pictures we saw provide on the one hand a spectacle for the whole world to watch which we've been covering. on the other hand, in a very real way, this documentation, this journalism performed in real-time, a sad day also for america, i think provides very legal evidence that could be used in future prosecutions, rachel. >> and what type of prosecutors are we talking about here? obviously you are describing federal crimes because we are talking about federal property here, but i was struck to see the u.s. attorney in the eastern district of kentucky, the u.s. attorney in the northern district of ohio, both trump appointees, say if you traveled to d.c. from this district, from eastern kentucky, from northern ohio to go cause these crimes, you will be prosecuted in this district. are these prosecutions that would happen where you are from or where you committed the crime? >> that's a great legal question, rachel. i think door number one would be the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia would be the person with that local jurisdiction. often those u.s. attorneys change as a matter of course with the new administration. next year the statue of limitations will be alive so any could be pursued either now or later by the justice department and the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia based on where these possible crimes occurred. again, as always, they would have to be investigated. there's a fair process for that. the other way, door number two as you mentioned, is if there is conspiring or traveling across state lines you could have a federal prosecution by someone in those other jurisdictions. somebody planned a crime over here and they went over there to watch, to commit it. those are both options

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