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announce how they are getting ready in ferguson. we're also following president obama in asia and what happened during his face time with russia's vladimir putin. plus, america honors its war heroes with veterans day ceremonies around the country. in new york, dr. craig spencer leaves the hospital after being cured of ebola. first, in one hour, missouri governor will hold a press conference where he and local law enforcement will lay out their plans in the face of the grand jury decision in the michael brown case. trymaine lee has been in ferguson. what do we know about the potential timing of that grand jury decision? >> my sources say that governor nixon will announce plans around the protest, particularly the national guard will be redeployed and stationed along businesses. n to contain the protests from reaching area businesses. none has been confirmed. we'll know in an hour what those plans are. >> do we have any idea of when the timeline could be for this to wrap up. we know there's more testimony to be heard by that grand jury. any ideas about timing? >> i spoke to ed mcgee a few days ago and he said the timing remains mid-november. then after that day to day and week to week. now, this kind of lag has kind of made folks on the ground, particularly nervous about what may or may not happen. i just to want read a station from ashley yates, a co-creator of millin aal activists united. until the governor chooses to truly address the systematic issues that the murder. that's the sense there on the ground, is that 90-some days after the killing it's about michael brown, but there are systematic issues people are concerned about from the interactions with young men in the police to larger issues in the court system. so, it will be interesting what governor jay nixon has to say about the planning around the announcement. >> we'll be looking forward to your reporting on this issue. thank you. >> over to asia where president obama is working to strengthen ties between u.s. and china. on the second day of the apec meeting, president obama met with chinese president xi jinping a number of times and announced measures that could mean more jobs in the u.s. president obama also had some brief encounters with russian president vladimir putin. nbc news white house correspondent kristin welker is traveling with the president in beijing. what about those interactions with the american president and vladimir putin. >> reporter: president obama and vladimir putin met three times on the sidelines of apec economic summit, talking for about 15 to 20 minutes, according to white house officials. they discuss aid range of topics including iran, syria and, of course, ukraine. the united states, one of several western nations that imposed strict sanctions against russia for incursions into ukraine. the pictures show the frosty relationship between president obama and president putin, a stark contrast between president obama and xi jinping, who have also been at a number of odds including human rights. president obama and president xi had several meetings today, including a walk in the garden and dinner today. >> president obama, i would like to work with you to take a strategic and long-term view of our cooperation. i wanted to work with you to take our relationship into a new place. >> reporter: this is all a part of president obama's so-called pivot to asia with some critics saying he hasn't followed through on his promise to foster stronger ties with this region. the u.s. today touting two announcements including a new trade deal that will lower tariffs on high-tech goods, creating about 60,000 new jobs. >> these efforts are not always large and public. they don't always get a lot of attention, but they represent important strides in bringing our people closer together and making our empties stronger. >> reporter: this is the first stop on president obama's three-nation trip. next he heads to myanmar, also known as burma, where negotiations have stalled, something president obama will likely address when he meets with the leaders of that country. >> kristin welker in beijing, thank you. now to the fight against isis where 50 american service members are on the ground in anbar province. their mission to train and assist iraqi security forces. the most intense fighting continues to be in kobani where richard engel spent several days imbedded with kurdish forces on the front lines. >> reporter: the center of kobani is no more. a ghostly testament to the price this syrian town is paying for standing up to isis. but the town isn't abandoned. its kurdish people, men and women, have taken up arms and have been holding out for two months. they run through intersections to avoid enemy snipers or stay off the dangerous streets by tunnelling through walls. this man, 34 years old, is one of the top field commanders. many of the front line fighters here are women. they say the fanatics from isis are afraid to be killed by a woman. a dishonor the militants believe could cost them a spot in paradise. she doesn't believe that. they are afraid because of our conviction and our strength, she says. our female comrades aren't scared of isis. she took us to kobani city hall, now a front line position. she says there were about 40 isis fighters just in these rooms here. so, it's not that they're fighting between buildings and across streets, but room to room. the people of kobani have shown they will fight to the last man. and woman. a big part of isis's strength is its ability to intimidate. in many towns many people just ran away as soon as the militants showed up. not in kobani. richard engel, nbc news, turkey. >> thank you. you can catch more of richard's reporting in the battle against isis friday night at 9:00 right here on msnbc. let's get to the latest now on ebola where nurse kasey hicti -- kasey hiction being kaci hickox is on the move. they moved to freeport, maine, until they decide their next move. she says she's happy her life is back to normal. >> i remain just really thankful for all of the support that we have received, and also a bit, you know, disappointed at some of the negative things that i've heard. i hope that one day we as an american culture can get over this fear and can learn to show compassion instead. >> meanwhile in new york, dr. craig spencer is now ebola-free. he arrived back at his home a short while ago after being released from bellevue hospital. nbc's anne thompson is live outside bellevue hospital in new york. what do we know? >> reporter: i can tell you there is very much a celebratory mood here at bellevue hospital earlier today when dr. craig spencer walked out in front of cameras. speaker after speaker lauded dr. spencer for the five weeks that he spent over in guinea treating ebola patients with doctors without borders. then when it was dr. spencer's turn to talk, he in turn lauded the health care workers who took care of him here at bellevue. >> my early detection, reporting and now recovery from ebola speaks to the effectiveness of the protocols that are in place for health staff returning from west africa. i am a living example of how those protocols work and of how early detection is critical to both surviving ebola and ensuring that it is not transmitted to others. >> reporter: now, the hundred or so health care workers in contact with dr. spencer during his 19-day stay here, they will undergo what's called active monitoring. that's a 21-day period where their temperatures will be taken twice a day and they will be on the lookout for any symptoms of ebola. his two friends who came in contact with him before he was hospitalized, they too are under active monitoring. only one person is still quarantined. that is dr. spencer's fiancee and her quarantine ends on friday. >> nbc's anne thompson, thank you. let's go to weather where parts of the midwest and rockies are digging out with the first winter storm. in minnesota, two people died in car crashes caused by slippery road conditions. now some of those same areas are dealing with an arctic blast with temperatures falling anywhere between 20 and 30 degrees below normal. msnbc meteorologist dominica davis has more on what we can expect. >> hi, joy. well, the first part of this storm is over and that's the snow. but we do have those cold temperatures. that is going to hang on for quite some time. so, here's a look at the radar right now. you can see that snow's tapering off. basically up through the u.p. of michigan we're looking at the snow. the rest is just rain coming down from flint down past chicago and ft. wayne. the biggest story right now is the temperatures that we're going to be seeing. you can see the windchill. so, the cold has gone all the way down into texas. this is about the furthest south it will go. now it's going to spread off to the east over the next couple of days so, it's only eight states and the u.s. that are not going to be in on this bitter blast. that's basically up through the southeast down through hawaii and also through florida. the rest of us, we are in on these drastic drops in temperatures. look at the 24-hour temperature change. this will show you how potent this system is. we're down 49 degrees in amarillo. oklahoma, 40-degree drop in temperatures just in the past 24 hours. so, this is some of the worst weather we're going to see tomorrow. look at the cold. that's a high temperature in denver tomorrow of 10 degrees only. so, this is going to be brutal. not only for denver, but for much of the country. back to you, joy. >> all right. thank you very much, dominica davis. after the break we'll talk global tensions and problems facing president obama as he continues his eight-day tour through asia. plus, the new set of challenges confronting veterans of iraq and afghanistan, including the women who serve. as we go to break, here are some scenes from arlington national cemetery where vice president joe 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>> they're not helpful. clearly, putin is trying to device a wedput a wedge between us and the chinese. the ruble is in very bad shape. oil prices have hurt the russian economy, so what putin wants to do is get closer to china to be a counterattack against us by having a natural gas deal with china, working closer on regional issues. but what we must do is we have to engage china. we need china on climate change. if there's no climate change talks, successful talks, it's because china doesn't participate. we need china to lead on north korea. we've got this trade deal that basically excludes china, that was announced today. so, there's really three-power tension. what we need to do is try to find areas with russia and china where we can work together despite the massive differences. with russia it's iran. we can possibly work together. terrorism and nuclear proliferation. the rest of the yashissues, syr ukraine, we're both heading in different directions. >> you mentioned trade and part of what's hurting the russian economy right now are the sanctions that the united states and western europe were finally persuaded to put on russia because of their interventions in ukraine. are deals with china enough to shore up the russian economy are, which as you said, is flagging, at least in part of that? >> well, yes, it can be -- it can make a big difference. this natural gas deal between russia and china is for 30 years. it's for a lot of money. so, that will help russia, which is losing a lot of its markets with eastern europe, with europe, because there's wariness. and sanctions have really hurt the russian economy. what has hurt them the most is the drop in oil prices from 110 bucks it's about $75 a barrel mor. this means the russian budget is going down and the ruble has come down 25%. so russia is scampering. they're paying a price for their adventures. but what we need to do is find areas where we can work with the russians. iran is a big one, this nuclear deal. although i'm skeptical of it. syria, i don't think we'll narrow our differences there. but there are areas like terrorism, like nonproliferation. we want the russians to honor their commitment to reduce nuclear weapons and they're backing out of that. so, there's a lot of big power politics going on. >> and you have the sort of strangeness of vladimir putin. there was a moment going around social media where he kind of, i guess, tried to be friendly to the first lady of china. and it was sort of awkward. he's sort of an awkward character. what do you make of vladimir putin? he gets a lot of praise from people on the right in this country who thinks his strength is a virtue, but what do you make of him as a character, of a person? what does he want? >> well, i met him just very fleetingly in the clinton administration. you know, he's a power player. and he wants to restore russia's strength again, but he's gambling and it's hurting him now. he's paying a price because of the downturn in his economy. >> indeed. >> now, the good thing about russia and china is that they have a lot of cultural differences. and china doesn't like what russia has done in ukraine, supporting separatist movement because they've got a problem in hong kong. so, you know, this -- this new relationship, china and russia, it's not exactly going to work 100%. there are problems. so the three of us, the big powers, have big problems with each other. >> and you talked about syria. let's also talk about what's happening inside of israel. there is a lot of tension happening right now around the way that the mosque is being administered by the israelis, disputes once again over access to that place by both jewish and muslim worshippers. of course today also is an anniversary of the death -- tenth anniversary of the death of yasser arafat, where do we stand any closer to seeing light at the end between israel and palestinians? >> no, i think things are not good. i think israel is very worried, as i am o a potential deal with iran. i don't think the palestinian moderates are gaining a foothold. so, you know, there's a lot of tension, a lot of explosions in the middle east. i think what we need to do is stick with our friends, stick with israel, be supportive. but at the same time, if there's any opening, any access to religious sites, any human rights initiatives, family reunification initiatives, that's what we should concentrate on because the political rivalries and conflicts are just too strong right now. >> quoted mahmoud abbas saying they igniting detrimental war over that mosque, so it is not getting better. bill richardson, thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy. now three things to know on this tuesday. the ferry captain who abandoned his sinking ship has more than 300 people drowned off the coast of south korea was acquitted of murder but sentenced to 36 years in prison for negligence. the highly anticipated verdict came on the same day officials called off searches for the remaining nine victims. overloaded cargo, belated rescue efforts and safety issues were related to the ferry sinking. in hawaii the molten lava consumed its first home in pahoa. earlier, it burned down a small steel storage shed on the same property. lava has been flowing since late june. as some residents of florida's tampa bay area are told to evacuate after a massive sinkhole opened up and swallowed up a neighborhood car. the hole is about ten feet wide and about ten feet deep and there are reports of another hole that has opened up on the property next door. geologists said the sinkhole is not getting any wider but it is getting deeper as it settles. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money? 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>> i don't feel like the country is fully cognizant because i think for a lot of people in the country, they hear the numbers. but numbers can always get very blurry. numbers aren't personal. numbers aren't things you can hold on to. the truth is while those numbers are very real, that it's less than 5% of our nation's population has any contact either direct or indirect with the past of the wars of afghanistan or iraq. i think the challenge for a lot of people is these wars are things that happening over there fought by those people but that direct connection the american people have to these wars feels a bit nonexistent. >> that's the point. you have fewer than 1% of this country really bearing the burden of having to fight our wars. and it's not spread throughout the country. you also have another acute problem. which is high unemployment among returning veterans, particularly of these two recent wars in afghanistan as well as in iraq. you were featured -- actually, you were on the cover of "redbook" magazine along with the first lady, michelle obama. she spoke at a career women's development forum in arlington yesterday. let's play a clip. >> the unemployment rate for women veterans from iraq and afghanistan was 11.2%. five points higher than men who served in the same conflicts. and more than double the rate for civilian women. and that's just wrong. >> and while we do emphasize and talk about issues like ptsd and some difficulties our vets come home with, they come back with unique skills that make them -- should make them really, really employable. why do you think we haven't been able to improve the unemployment picture for veterans, particularly women vets? >> i can only speak for myself, but in some cases, many of us don't know what we want to do when we transition from military to civilian status. so, for me, i got to do so many different things when i was in the military, and i loved them all. so when i put my resume together, i thought all of those skills would be attractive to an employer. what i found was it was just too all over the place and they really didn't know what i wanted to do. i talked to other female veterans who had that same issue. lack of focus, lack of preparation, family issues, they're a little heavier on the female than it is on a male service member, in many case, not all cases. so there's just a number of issues that make it a little different and a little more difficult for women. >> and, wes, same question to you. we do on paper have a lot of resources that are dedicated to helping returning veterans. there is that new g.i. bill that was passed. you do have things like got your six campaign to try to get more employment happening. what do you suppose is the disconnect with people who come back with great leadership skills and not able to fully employ or vets? >> i think one of the biggest challenges for the employment issue is lack of credentialing in terms of higher education. i think you're absolutely right. we passed an extraordinarily generous g.i. bill but wul of the challenges if you look at the larger universe of veterans, the number is hovering still in the single digits of veterans who start school who will actually complete their collegiate degree. so, you know, we can have all the programs in the world and we can ask all the businesses to hire veterans. the challenge is, unless we can do a better job of getting veterans through college and getting them these credentials we need, we're talking about entry-level jobs, jobs that are transient and jobs that are afemoral and we're never talking about long-term sustainable skill building and long-term sustainable employment. that's been one of the real challenges of turning someone from deployed personnel to someone who is gainfully employed. >> the veterans administration has been in the news, we've talked about some deficiencies. there are plans for the va, with a new secretary, to try to improve conditions for returning vets, new customer service bureau, structural overhaul of some of the department functions, working more closely with community partners. and i'll ask both of you. do you feel that the changes that you've heard about are enough to make the va actually work for veterans? >> i don't really know as far as the va goes, but if i could add something to what wes said, in addition to education and credentialing, i think networking is extremely important but there has to be a way for a veteran to connect with someone in a korment corporate empntity. that's where women's professional comes in. it helps us get paired up with a mentor to get our foot in the door of certain companies, or at least be better prepared to approach a company. so, that's something else that i think is helpful. that doesn't really have anything to do with veterans affairs but it is something that helped me. >> it's an important component. wes, final thoughts to you. do you feel enough has been done to reform va, and if you want to comment on what trish just said about employment. >> i say in terms of the va, i think, you know, a lot of good things and a lot of good measures have been done. truthfully, reforming the va and putting the va on a correct path, that's not a week's long operation nor a month's long operation. this is going to take years. what we've seen, the challenges, internal challenges in the va, they were not created in a matter of years. these are things that have been sitting there for decades upon decades and the reform will not happen overnight. >> i want to thank you both for your service. also, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> cheers. next, in a very special veterans day edition of our continuing series "generation to generation, two medal of honor recipients will talk about their service and their sacrifice to this country. you know how fast you were going? 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when was it? and what happened? >> i was in marjah, afghanistan, november 21 of 2010. it was my first combat deployment over there. >> kyle carpenter shouldn't be alive. >> he was severely wounded while in afghanistan. >> we were on top of a roof. an attack was started and grenades were thrown. one landed on top of the roof with us. i don't remember anything, if i went unconscious. >> colonel jack jacobs was almost killed in vietnam in 1968 under intense enemy fired, he rescued 14 men that day, earning a medal of honor. >> i had a head wound. just felt like i wanted to lie down. and after a while, i did lie down and i couldn't get up again. was it like that for you? >> well, i couldn't really hear or see anything just because my vision and my -- i got more and more tired and toward the end of it, after i had my final key thoughts, i had come to terms that i wasn't making it through this. yeah, it was just really tired. i wanted to kind of just go to sleep. >> go to sleep. >> yeah. >> i think you come to grips with the situation after a while. >> president of the united states in the name of the congress takes pleasure in presenting the medal of honor to lance corporal william kyle carpenter, united states marine corps. >> how did you discover thaw were going to get the award? who called you? >> the president of the united states, president obama. >> this is president obama. how are you doing? >> fine, sir. how are you? >> i'm awarding you the medal of honor for your courageous actions in afghanistan. >> i got a call about three weeks before the ceremony from some colonel who identified himself as being head of army awards branch. he said, congratulations, you're going to receive the medal of honor. >> con spir yous gallantry -- >> do you know who jimmy doolittle was. >> yes, sir. >> put his arm around me, took me to the corner of the room and he said, young man, he said, you're no longer jack jacobs. he said, you're jack jacobs, medal of honor recipient, and he better behave accordingly. do you understand what i'm saying? >> it definitely weighs on me, knowing the responsibility that i'm going to have. and i'm not, i guess, timid or scared in any way. i am excited for the opportunity to represent the military and this nation. but it's definitely, i guess, a double-edged sword. >> almost everything, even if it's good, we hang together trying to help each other out because we do know we don't wear the award for ourselves. we wear it for all those people who can't. who served and sacrificed. who performed valiantly and nobody saw them or somebody saw them, but they died themselves. you have a real heavy burden not just because you're a medal of honor recipient, but because there's so few. and you're relatively young. so the burden is going to fall on you and the other guys of your age to carry on talking about service and sacrifice and how we represent all those kids who didn't come home. >> yes, sir. >> two genuine heroes. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. don't let non-24 get in the way of your pursuit of happiness. americans drink 48 billion that's enough plastic bottles to stretch around the earth 230 times. each brita filter can replace 300 of those. clean. clear. brita water. nothing is better. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? 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>> eugene, there is a -- to chris's point, you have business owners in the area who want protection, who want to see some sort of deployment of force to protect their businesses in anticipation of whatever's going to happen. but what would you advise a police department in this position to do, st. louis and missouri state police, to strike that balance to be present and not provocative? >> again, that's the issue. we're back to substantive issues, which are difficult to do in this compressed period of time. the legitimacy of this process, that's what's hanging in the balance. for people to look at the police, even if they don't agree with the outcome, to understand how the outcome is arrived at, the process that went into it, and obviously trying to rebuild rapport with the police that is so badly damaged. they do have to plan for the worst, but they shouldn't create the worse situation. as chris said, it appears they in some case seem to be fostering problems rather than responding to them or ame ameliorating them. >> talking to people in ferguson, they would feel better -- >> from day one, the activists down there, folks i've talked to, and these aren't just random people on the street, although they have legitimate opinions, too, but it's also elected representatives, people imbedded in the political structure down there have said, there is no way -- who knows, we could be wrong, maybe everyone gets surprised bob mccullough will indict. so people have been feeling from day one, the fix is in, we know it's happening and there's something almost condescending and insulting about everyone knowing the obvious truth but not saying it as if this process is playing out in some sort of independent fashion when everyone, everyone knows what is coming down the pike. >> eugene, you have the st. louis police purchasing $100,000 worth of riot gear. that doesn't sound like a police department that is, as you were saying, trying to sort of manage a new relationship. it seems like they are simply assuming the worst and saying, we're going to be ready for you to go crazy. >> everybody agrees this police department is broken badly. regard little of the outcome of this incident, there should be a severe urgency about doing real fundamental reform. not just dressed up pending the outcome of this particular case, policing in ferguson needs intensive care and we need to get about the business in that town and doing it as soon as we possibly can. this should not objectify indicate those realities. there is divisions that some of the police and civic leadership didn't even see. there were two fergusons and the power structure didn't even see it. >> i remember governor nixon now has to deal with it. he had the opportunity to remove the prosecutor way back then and -- >> he dared him to do it. >> he basically begged him to do it. >> thank you very much. both of you. remember to watch "all in with chris hayes" weak nights at 8 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. that wraps things up with "the reid report." then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to like, pull it a little further got me to 70 years old i'm going to have to rethink this thing it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪ a woman who loves to share her passions. grandma! mary has atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts her at a greater risk of stroke. rome? 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