Change that would have allowed for people in hong kong to be extradited to china to face the famously opaque chinese legal system. There is about seven Million People in hong kong. If you get a million or more people protesting that out of seven Million People, that is a statistically significant sample of the population of that territory. I cant get over these images. We will have more on these scenes out of hong kong late or this hour. But the basic bottom line is that this huge display, huge display of people power over the past week culminating this weekend with the huge members of people in the streets, the basic bottom line about what we have seen out of hong kong is what they are doing in the images worked. We will have more on the remarkable story coming up. For sheer fatal drama today, there was this shocking news. This man, the former president of egypt, he dropped dead today in an egyptian courtroom where he was being tried on espionage charges. Mohamed morsy was briefly elected pedestrian egypt in that count countrys first democratic elections in 2012 after the uprising in egypt with the long time dictatorial leader. Morsi was elected and the year after, he too was overthrown and removed from office by force, this time in a military coup that locked morsi up and subjected him to a long series of trials. The culmination of which had him in court today. The leader of the coup that seized power in 2013, incidentally he holds power in egypt to this day. He is making chitchat with a beaming President Trump earlier this year. This was the headline that day. Egypts president basks in trumps embrace. Hoping to be allowed to stay in office until 2034. Basks in trumps embrace. Trump bestows it upon him. Mohamed morsi, the former president ousted by the military coup was known to suffer from a bunch of health problems, including diabetes and liver disease. He was not getting any medical care in prison under the u jiptian regime. He dropped dead in a cairo military courtroom at age 67. Today we are seeing rapid escalation of whatever it is that is going inside the Trump Administration with regard to iran. We got this announcement from the president last month that he was going to dispatch an additional 1500 u. S. Troops to the middle east to somehow vaguely counter some vague new threat from iran. Now the acting defense secretary has just o nounsed a thousand more troops are going to the middle east, somehow in response to something going on on with iran. 1,000 u. S. Troops heading over there follows a series of accusations from the Trump Administration that will seemed to be intended to put us on a war footing with iran. We talked on the show late last week about the list of violent acts the Trump Administration is attributing including one attack in afghanistan in which four Service Members were wounded. An attack for which someone else entirely, the taliban claimed responsibility. The Trump Administration is nervous saying no, we think that was iran, too. Secretary of state mike pompeo was questioned about this that weekend by Margaret Brennan and she said the taliban claimed responsibility and there was no evidence put forward to back up the new assertion that secretly was really iran who did that and thats one of the reasons we need to be on this newly aggressive footing towards iran. He insisted that he cant share the evidence and any intelligence that gives him such confidence that iran is responsible for that attack. Not to mention all of the other attacks they put on the list to bolster the perception that we are on a march to war with iran that they are starting. But the prospect of war with iran became a much more concreedly advanconcreed ly dispatched, iran upping the stakes of whatever is going on with their announcement that i that are going back to enriching nuclear fuel the way they were before they entered into the nuclear deal they signed in 2015 with the major european powers and the u. S. Government under barack obama. Trump of course and all the republican president ial candidates in 2016 campaigned against obamas Iran Nuclear Deal and promised they would end it. Well, now we are seeing what that looks like. Perhaps inevitably, pulling out of that deal with iran, iran today announced they will stop abiding by the terms of the deal. Why should they if the u. S. Pulled out and if they are now facing all of these sanctions that they were otherwise in a deal with the United States about before the Trump Administration pulled out. So big picture is a fullblown semi pro sport in washington and has been for a long time. Whatever is going on with the Trump Administration towards iran, their combination of chest pounding and taking action to make sure the confrontation is as acute and heated as possible here and high stakes as possible, that is getting us closer by the day to all hell breaking loose. It will not go unnoticed in iran or around the world or here at home that the cool, calm, rational actors managing this high stakes Nuclear Escalation are the calming figures like john bolton and mike pompeo and the evenkeeled rational donald trump, they are deciding to ride this bronco this way. We are going get advice from someone who is in a better position to understand than i am, but the reason people are rattled at what the Trump Administration is trying to do, whatever they are aiming for. But there is one other thing in todays news that i think i also want to get help about. I want to make sure whether it should make us feel more rattled or calm. This is something we covered on and off over the past couple of years on this show. The basic story is that we started to feel about during the start of the 2016 president ial campaign in december of 2015, right before christmas. There was a huge power blackout in the nation of ukraine. It was christmastime and freezing told in ukraine. Hundreds of thousands of people lost power without any warning. The u. S. Government investigators assessed that that outage may well have been the first power blackout triggered by a cyber attack. Ukrainian officials were already claiming at that time and the assessment would back them up that it was actually a russian cyber attack that caused that blackout. Russia hacked into control systems for the ukrainian power grid and shut the lights off in that country. At well as a way to punish the country and scare the leaders. In december of 2016, Senior Administration officials raised the alarm that Russian Hackers were targeting infrastructure in the United States. Just as they had done when they shut off the lights in ukraine the year before. By the following summer, in july of 2017, the New York Times obtained a copy of an urgent joint report that had been issued by the fbi and the department of Homeland Security, warning that hackers have been penetrating the Security Networks of companies that operate Nuclear Power stations and other Energy Facilities as well as manufacturing plants in the United States. The urgent joint report issued by the security and the fbi carried a warning, the second highest rating for the sensitivity of the threat. It was a few months later in march of 2018, the Homeland Security department and the fbi issued publicly a joint technical alert. This alert provides information on the actions targeting Government Entities and the water, aviation, and critical manufacturing sectors and contact dhs or Law Enforcement immediately to interpret an intrusion and request Incident Response resources or tension cal assistance. The first warning that had been reported on by the New York Times was not a public warning. The second one, the technical bulletin was effectively a public warning although full of Technical Information including specific mal wear, specific computer code lines that they wanted operators of the critical elements of the infrastructure to look for in their systems. By that point, by march of last year, the threat and the warnings from the u. S. Government were getting more specific in terms of the potential damage that could be caused by the type of Cyber Attacks and the specificity with which the u. S. Government was identifying the perpetrators. Cyber attacks put russian fingers on the power plants, the u. S. Said march 15th of last year in the New York Times. The administration accused russia this week of engineering a series of Cyber Attacks that targeted water plants and water and electric systems and could have sabotaged or shut power plants off at will. That was march of last year. Within a few months, by last summer, july of last year, the threats and the description of the intrusions were getting more and more concrete. This is from the wall street journal. Russian hackers reach utility control rooms say Homeland Security officials. Hackers working for russia claim hundreds of victims in a giant and long Running Campaign that put them inside the control rooms of u. S. Electric utilities where they could have caused blackouts according to federal officials. The Officials Say the campaign likely is continuing. That was as of last summer, july 2018. By this year, january 2019, the office of the director of National Intelligence released the unclassified public facing document called the worldwide threat assessment. The worldwide threat assessment in january of this year included this short public facing warning is that russias government was not just looking at the capacity or threatening to amass that kind of power in our country, but the warning as of january of this year is that russia has that power. This was the exact quote from the worldwide threat assessment released by the dni in january. Russia has the ability to execute Cyber Attacks in the United States that generate localized temporary disruptive effects on Critical Infrastructure such as disrupting a Distribution Network for a few hours. That was the public warning as of january from the director of National Intelligence. Russia, we have seen the warnings coming. Russia now has the ability to turn off the lights in the United States if they want to. That statement from the dni in january, if you see it in context, thats the culmination of a few years of open source reporting and government documents to reporters and urgent and specific warnings from Homeland Security and intelligence about russia developing the capacity to target us in that way. When you stack up all those reports over the past few years, given the crescendo of that public reporting and the piling up of that evidence and incre e increasing urgency of the story as just pulled by the u. S. Government starting christmas 2015, 2016, 2017, 18, and into this year, if you look at the urgency and specificity of the warnings we had over the past few years, now, today, at the end of that long string of news stories and warnings, it shouldnt have come as a surprise to get this report. The u. S. Is doing the same thing back. That the u. S. Developed the same capacity. U. S. Escalates online attacks on russias power grid. What david sanger and nicole describe as a previously unreported deployment of american computer code inside russias grid, the New York Times is citing multiple officials who are describing the placement of potentially crippling mal wear inside the russian systems at a depth and with an aggressiveness that has never been tried before. It is intended partly as a warning and partly to be poised to conduct cyber strikes if a major conflict broke out between the u. S. And moscow. They have been carried out by Cyber Command. Thanks to a president ial directive and thanks to a little notice Legal Authority that was slipped into the military authorization bill last year, those new legal authorities allowed these kinds of actions that are described in this time space. They allowed these actions apparently to be carried out by Cyber Command on their own say so without having to get specific permission from the fot do it. Also without having to get specific permission from congress. According tolt times, there is no evidence that the u. S. Has turned off the power inside russia as the russians have not turned off power inside the United States. The placement of malicious code inside both systems revives the question of whether a nations power grid or the infrastructure that keeps homes, factories and hospitals running constitutes a target for online attack. First of all, thats ray super interesting and sort of rattling question in terms of what capacity we have to other countries and they have towards us. In a way that we may not previously understand. There is a couple of things that are weird about i guess first i should say i think its not weird that the u. S. Developed this capacity. Given how acutely focused we know the government is on russia developing this capacity, this revelation that the u. S. Decided to develop the same capacity back at them. We have mutually assures destruction and its not that surprising. The revelation that the u. S. Developed this capacity is not what is weird here even though that rattles me. The weird things here are two things about the way the story has broken and both have to do with President Trump. The first really strange thing about the reaction is President Trumps response to it online. This story apparently sort of made him flip out. This is what he posted online in response. Do you believe that the failing New York Times just did a story stating that the u. S. Is substantially increasing Cyber Attacks on russia. This is a virtual act of treason for a great fireplace desperate for a story. Also not true. Is it bad if its not true . Also not true. Anything goes with our corrupt news media. They will do or say whatever it takes with not even the slightest thought of consequence. Without doubt, the enemy of the people. I realize the president types things and says things. Why is the president so freaked out by this news article . First of all, if the times is report being something that is not true and the u. S. Doesnt have this capacity, why would it be treason for the New York Times to report that the u. S. Has done this . Treason . Really . Also, why are you so flipped out about the potential consequence . They doll or say whatever it takes without the slightest thought of consequence. What do you think the consequence might be of russia thinking we upped our Cyber Command . Whats the scary consequence . The president acted like this is the worst thing in the world to have a new offensive capacity towards russia. Why is that so scary to you that thats in the paper . Its a weird response from the president. What is he worried is going to happen now that thats public news . What do you think the consequence is going to be . The other weird part is the president might have freaked out about this news. He might have first learned it from the New York Times. The Cyber Command may have been doing this and developing this offensive capacity in russia without ever telling him that is what they were doing. Quoting from the times, two Administration Officials said they believed mr. Trump had not been briefed in any detail about the steps to place these implants, Software Code that can be used for surveillance or attack inside the russian grid. Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with trump after operations with russia for concern over his reaction and the possibility that he might counter mabd it or discuss it with foreign officials as he did in 2017 when he mentioned a r it to the foreign minster. There is a lot going on in the world. What we have just learned from the New York Times is that the u. S. Government has developed a new offensive capacity against russia in the cyber field. The president is publicly freaking out that that has been publicly reported. He is both denying its happening and saying its terrible that it has been reported and we should worry about the consequences of this. Also, u. S. Officials are willing to tell the New York Times that they do stuff particularly when it comes to russia without telling the president about it all the time. Because they think he might counter manned those actions and tell them not to do it or tell the russians what we are doing in a way that would hurt the u. S. Governments efforts. The u. S. Militarys efforts. So i think its worth getting expert help to understand whats going on in the importance of this story. Let me tell you one thing about the person we got here to help us understand this stuff. In june 2017, the first summer that structrump is in office, ml isikoff reported this remarkable and largely unheralded and really, really important story about what happened as soon as trump got in office. Isikoff broke the story june 1st, nbc news was able to confirm it later that same day. What isikoff figured out is that in the very first few days of the Trump Administration, top Trump Officials were dispatched to the state department to immediately tell state Department Employees that trump wanted to unilaterally drop sanctions against russia. He wanted to get rid of u. S. Sanctions on russia on his own say so alone. He dispatched top officials to the state department his first days in office to tell state Department Staffers they needed to help put together whatever plans might be necessary to get that done to give putin what he most wanted. The veteran officials decided this was alarming enough behavior that they sound the alarm to other veteran and recently retired state Department Officials and they had in plan a motion to let Congress Know this was happening. The new Trump Officials were trying to do it without telling anyone. Senior officials at the state department including dan freed was a top sanctions official and tom who had just stepped down as assistant secretary of state, those senior and former officials told congress they alerted republican and democratic members of congress as to what the Trump Administration was quietly trying to do on the president s own say so with nobody knows they were doing it. That ultimately led to this remarkable and under appreciated thing that happened in the first few weeks, in the first few months of the administration. That based on those warnings, from those National Security professionals who were alerted to practice trump was trying to get away secretly, both the senate and the house, a hugely overwhelming and bipartisan votes passed legislation to affirm the sanctions on russia and block trump from dropping them unilaterally without anyone elses say so. It was 982 in the senate. 4193 in the house. Trump did not want to sign that law. He wanted to get rid of the sanctions on russia. With majors that overwhelming, well over vetoproof majorities, he had no choice. So he squawked and said he didnt want to do it and said he disagreed with it, but he had to sign it. Thats how these sanctions on russia got upheld so trump couldnt get rid of them. That was the first reported incident of all people in the government, republicans and democrats both, conservatives, liberals, career nonpartisan people, all of them coming together to the belief that this president could not be trusted to handle a National Security matter like that on his own say so. Not specifically when it comes to russia. We now know that started the first few days he was in office. Thats the whole reason there are sanctions on russia today. We learned that this far in, its still happening. Pentagon and intelligence officials are willing to tell the New York Times now that they are literally not even telling him about new offensive capacities that Cyber Command had just developed to enable the u. S. Military to shut off russias lights if we want to. They didnt tell trump. They let him read about it in the times and he freaked. It cant be true this idea of saving the country from the commander in chief, protecting National Security interests from a president who is believed to pose a threat to them, that gets talked about as if its still an abstract or a future risk question. Turns out we are living in that era right now. That is not supposed to be the way it goes. But how do we responsibly as americans under this constitution grapple with the fact that thats happening . Secretary of state tom mel now ski was secretary of the state department with the freak out after trump was sworn into office. 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And our allies were 100 with us in holding iran accountable. Now they are breaking free of the constraints of the nuclear deal. They apparently are attacking oil tankers in the gulf and we are completely alone. Our allies are not with us because we tore the deal. We are not better off. We are not safer. The administration keeps thumping its chest and saying we restored deterrents against iran. We are so tough. It doesnt seem like iran is deterred. They are doing more Dangerous Things today than under the obama administration. Do you feel like the Trump Administration is hell bent on escalation and making a public case that iran has become dramatically more threatening specifically in recent weeks . We in the public dont really have a way to assess the case that they are making and dont have a great way to assess the quality that they are presenting. They are telling a story that iran is trying to start a war with us and we are only being drawn into the conflict. Do you in congress have access to information and have you seen anything that supports or reputs what the administration has been claiming . They did brief us before this latest alleged attacks. Without going into details, peerp not presented with any convincing evidence that iran is significantly escalating. Iran has been threatening activities for years and they are responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilians being killed in syria. We were not presented with any evidence of significant escalation. The attack on the tanker if thats iran and it probably is, thats a serious deal. We have our share of responsibility in bringing the region to this point. There was no real justification for tearing up the deal for imposing the crippling tarchgzs when iran was abiding by the terms of the agreement and turning our backs on offers from allies in europe to help us to deal with irans actual threatening activities. They offered to work with us to sanction iran over support for terrorism. The missile developments. We said no and set off on our own on this course which the Administration Admits produced far more dangerous behavior. What do they want . I have no idea. I dont think trump wants a war. He wanted to sound tough. Now we are in this situation where i worry about what iran might do. The United States does not have a monopoly on making stupit mistakes that we would have to respond to. The idea that the president and his administration are not on the same page and they are divorced from the prospect or at least a part of it, i want to ask about this reporting from the New York Times as of this weekend. The Cyber Command developed capacity against russia. I was struck by a couple of paragraphs in which pentagon and intelligence told the times that the president probably was not briefed on that. In part because its about russia and senior officials including military officials dont trust the president to have sensitive information, particularly when it comes to russia because they are worried he would countermand it or talk to officials about it. That strikes me as half comfo comforting that they are trying to propro tenth our National Security, but deeply wrong in terms of the way our constitutional chain of command and authority is supposed to work here. Its really not good. This was probably a deliberate leak to the New York Times by National Security officials. They wanted russia to know we have this capability. The message is if you hit us, we have the capability to do the same thing to you. And the next day because the president is peeved over something in the article, he tweets none of this is true and said no, we dont have the capability. You cant have this mixed messaging on an issue as serious as the issue that you laid out in your earlier report. This is complicated as you said. This would be an attack on civilian infrastructure and hospitals and transportation. We should probably as in the cold war having established deterrents, we should probably start thinking about arms control and forging agreements about not using this kind of weapon first. All of that is undermined when his ego is wounded by a story and he comes out and tells our adversary, maybe we dont have the capability. What are they supposed to think . Congressman and member of the House Foreign Relations Committee and former assistant secretary of state. Thank you for your service especially this new chapter in congress. I appreciate you making time for us tonight. Thank you so much. Much more to get to. Busy night. Stay with us. To get to busy night stay with us ss too. Mbc doesnt take a day off, and neither will i. Ss too. And i treat my mbc with everyday verzenio the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. 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Over whether women who seek abortions should be punished. He believes yes and then spends the rest of his life trying to get out of it. That interview was a freaking master class. And you are in luck because tonight Chris Matthews is unleashing his super powers on the good people of dayton ohio. This is super interesting. The deciders. Its the voters and the most crucial pretinkts in tprecincts. Dayton is in Montgomery County who voted for obama twice before voting for trump in 2016. Excuse me. Chris matthews is going to be there tonight. This is the second one of the deciders events. The first one was in North Eastern pennsylvania, another key place that was fascinating. The next one is tonight. 10 00 p. M. , right after this show. Thats the quick programming note as you think of your night ahead. Pace yourself. You have to watch Chris Matthews after im done at 10 00 eastern. Okay . We have much more coming up, including joy ann reid including her time with joe biden. Much more ahead. I was inspired by the words of a rapper. I dont know who andrew yang is, but he wants to give me 1,000 a month be. If people think thats a reality, we can get folk who is do not think politics apply to them. They are putting one foot in front of the other. Just fighting for the next month and whatever. Its like yo, he wants to put cash money into everyones hands and humanize the economy. They will think its too good to be true until they see me standing next to joe biden on june 27th, they will say the asian man is for real. 2020 president ial candidate andrew yang talking about his proposal to give all americans under the age of 18 a guarantee basic income of 1,000 a month. Even though mr. Yang is polling generously at 1 , clearly he is feeling his oats in part like he said because he really is about to appear on a debate stage along former Vice President , joe biden. That might make anybody take themselves seriously as a president ial candidate even if they hadnt been before. It makes sense for them to want to share the debate stage. If you are for former President Joe Biden yourself, you might not expect that feeling to be mutual. Since launching his campaign in april, biden has not appeared at a single event alongside his fellow candidates. He has been doing lots of campaign events, but always by himself. Today was the first time he did an event at a forum in d. C. Hosted by the Poor Peoples Campaign. Vice president bide know was asked by joy reid among other things about his repeated hope against hope insistence that he can get republicans to come along and do bipartisan stuff should he get elected president. How would you get past either a majority Republican Senate in which Mitch Mcconnell was determined to kill all of these ideas or even in the minority who repeated the filibustering that happened when you were Vice President and anything that came from the obamabiden administration, Mitch Mcconnell considered deadon arrival. I know its naive to work together, but we cant get a consensus and nothing happens with the abuse of power by the executive. Zero. You cannot shame people to do things the right way. Thats a big point of contention between the Vice President and lots of democrats running behind him in the polls. Lets be clear. If we are in the majority and Mitch Mcconnell wants to block us on the kinds of things our country needs and the things they elected me and other people to enact, im all for getting rid of the filibuster. We cannot let him block things the way he did in the obama administration. The the real issue is you can build a coalition for change and can we be as strategic as Mitch Mcconnell. I wouldnt want to be as cynical, but can we be as strategic as he is . As strategic as him. Michael bennet does not as have as much faith on an epiphany as Vice President biden does. We are seeing that for the first time now had to that Vice President biden, the clear leader is starting to do events again. That started for the first time. How fun is it when they are on stage simultaneously. Joy reid joins us next. E simulty joy reid joins us next after walking six miles at an amusement park. Bills back needed a vacation from his vacation. So he stepped on the dr. Scholls kiosk. It recommends our best custom fit orthotic to relieve foot, knee, or lower back pain. So you can move more. Dr. Scholls. Born to move. Since my dvt blood clot i was thinking. Could there be another around the corner . Or could it turn out differently . I wanted to help protect myself. 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You have to beat these folks if they dont agree. By making your case. Thats what president s are supposed to do. Persuade the public and move people as to whats going on. You go out and beat them and make the case. Make an expoliceit case like we did for the house. I think we can do the same for the senate. Joining us now is joy ann reid, she was one of the moderators of the president ial forum hosted by the Poor Peoples Campaign. Congratulations on this event. Thank you very much. Always good to be here. Striking to see Vice President biden not doing a campaign event. This is the first time where other candidates were also on the same stage doing the same questions and the same format. This is the first time he has been alongside them running behind in the polls. Yes and it was fascina fatinr that reason that they havent been with other people yet. He was the first to go and he was setting the tone for how the rest of the day would go. And yeah, you got the sense that he sense senses the presence of the other candidates and the way he has to position himself and planted his flag in being the guy who in his mind and think he thinks he can find some way to break down the partisanship. He seems to think it can happen. When he responded to you so personally and physically walked over and gave you the joe biden eye contact in response to that, to you that conveyed sincerity and the good he was not trying to skate around this one. He was going to it because he believes it. Yeah. I never met joe biden. I covered as you did the obamabiden administration, but had not met biden himself before. It was a strange moment to be that up close and personal with the Vice President and i got the sense he was really he is extremely determined to make the point that anyone who believes that it cant be done, Mitch Mcconnell cannot be reasoned with and that republicans cannot be reasoned with and we cant draw the country together around shared set of principals is dead wrong. He genuinely believes what he called my cynicism that you can get around that partisanship is wrong and he was determined to make that point. It was an intense moment. Hes an intense communicator. Thats part of it. Let me ask you in terms of how it played in the room. You had a wide swath of candidates to andrew yang. We played a clip of him and lots of candidates there today talking on the issues and talking about poverty. Who got the best reception . Its interesting because the way they are leading the Poor Peoples Campaign is, is he really enjoying the audience not to cheer or boo or indicate support for any candidates. People broke through. This was a very bernie sandersfriendly audience. Andrew yang resonated in the room. Hes very good at using his moments. He really uses it to the best advantage. They need that oxygen and he tried to his best to get that oxygen. Some seem natural. Elizabeth warren is a natural speaker and natural person. She and Kamala Harris were comfortable and at home in that space. You could feel that. Everyone used it differently. Eric swalwell had a good moment with the crowd because he was able to draw on his personal biography of having grown up poor himself. He used that opportunity to make that point that he is not generic white guy running. He has been poor or his family has struggled. Everyone used it differently. Thats fascinating. In credit to you as moderator today for being able to get so many of these Democratic Candidates so early in the race, talking about issues of poverty. I would love to see the republicans do it as well. I cant imagine donald trump. We will see. He was invited and they invited the other side as well. The point that was made that was shocking for me, 140 Million People who were poor or low income or struggling, 48 of the country and the other one was that none of the debates we had in the last president ial cycle had one issue of poverty come up. Its important that we talk about something that is not just a niche issue. We are talking about nearly half the country that is financially struggling. I hope it comes up at the debate that nbc is holding. Its important. And that the candidates should have to compete. You are amazing. Thank you for making time for us tonight. Thank you. Well be right back. Stay with us. Thank you well be right back stay with us like viola. 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