Transcripts For MSNBCW The Rachel Maddow Show 20160709 : com

Transcripts For MSNBCW The Rachel Maddow Show 20160709

Just arrived in poland for a nato summit, made a lengthy statement to the press shortly after landing, urging us as a country to do better. Last night black lives matter and other protesters gathered in Peaceful Demonstrations in cities across the country. Then in one of those peaceful protes protests, in dallas, just 24 hours ago, all hell broke loose. During a march in Downtown Dallas, shots rang out in what we now know was a targeted attack on police. Five officers were killed, seven were founded, two civilians were injured. After an hours long standoff, Police Killed the suspect with a robot originally designed to disarm bombs. But there was widespread confusion about whether there may have been more than one shooter and whether others were in custody or still at large. President obama gave a second statement just hours after his first one, this time about the virks, calculated and despicable attacks in dallas. Today a man accused of a shooting rampage on a tennessee highway early thursday morning, a shooting that left one woman dead and three others injured, including a Police Officer, that man said he did it because he was angry about Police Violence against african americans. So this is what has happened in the last 72 hours and were still learning new information by the hour about the attacks in dallas. The authorities have established there was one shooter in that attack, mika xavier johnson, 25 years old and served in afghanistan as an army reservist. Johnson told a Hostage Negotiator he was upset about recent Police Shootings and he wanted to kill white people, especially white Police Officers. Dallas mayor Mike Rawlings said this evening that johnson was moving around, firing at officers from Different Levels of a building. Sources tell nbc news he used an sks rifle, a long gun that generally serves as a semi automatic weapon and a handgun. He was also wearing body armor. They found bombmaking materials, missiles and ammunitions at his home and a journal of combat tactics. He had no criminal record. Investigators have found no links between johnson and any extremist groups. 43yearold brent thompson, a Dallas Area Rapid Transit Authority officer, the first dart officer killed in that agencys history. Patrick zama ripa who served three tours of iraq. His friends say he became a cop to help people. Michael smith, and lauren arrens, a senior corporal who spent 14 years in the department. Thats what weve learned. But were still left with many questions. What led to this . How much premeditated planning went into the attack . Was it meant to be connected to last nights protest, or was the shooter just looking for an opportunity . Was anyone else aware of his plans . And can we have a cohesive National Reaction that improves things, rather than making things worse . Thank you for your time. Lets start by asking how your community is doing tonight. I think the community is strong. Theyve really shown a lot of support for the officers. I know the First Responders and the people that are out working this crime scene behind me, they feel that support. Were really feeling that from our community, but understandably, people are shocked and horrified by what happened, including the officers who had to work straight through the night on this, who knew the people who had died. So its very difficult evening and day for them. And im very proud of the work theyve done. And have you had an opportunity to speak with the families of any of those officers who were killed . I have and ive been in the Emergency Operations center working with the officers that are doing the sweeps of the areas, of the logistics, the investigations, but i understand chief brown had an opportunity to reach out to each family. These were not my officers. These were the city of dallas officers and dart officers. And talk a little bit about, you said obviously these were dart officers and city officers. Can you give us a sense of what the policing culture was like. The person who is now deceased, hell never be able to be questioned about this. The indications are he had animus about Police Officers and white Police Officers. Can you talk about what the communitypolicing relationship is like, to your knowledge, in dallas . Statistically, its a good relationship. But we have a Racial Division in this country and our county of 2. 5 Million People is not immune from that. We have Racial Divisions and issues with that like any other community. But we do regularly see protests happen in the downtown area of dallas. Its a pretty Progressive Community here in Dallas County. And our officers intermingle with the protesters and these things are done peacefully all the time. Unfortunately in this situation, mr. Johnson targeted officers and killed and injured people. And do you have a personal concern, sir, that an incident like this, that has so shaken the Police Officers in Dallas County and in the city of dallas, could actually worsen the relationship between Police Officers in the community. Are you concerned about that . Well, that can happen, but mr. Johnson chose his path and he chose his actions. Now we get to choose ours. The leadership is calling for unity. And calling for what im asking is that our fellow man, we look try to look at life through the eyes of someone who is not like us. If youre white, try to understand what its like to tell your children theres a different set of rules for your middle schoolchildren as they grow up than for your neighbors. If youre not the family of a first responder, try to imagine what its like when you send your loved one away to work and wonder if theyre going to come home. If we can look at the world through the lenses of others, i think the result of this can be more unity and bringing us closer together. We cannot let an act of hate tear us further apart. I think no truer words. Very poignant and hopefully people will take that sage advice. Dallas county judge clay jenk s jenkins. Thank you. The pictures youre looking at now are out of atlanta where hundreds if not thousands of demonstrators have taken to the streets. It remains a peaceful protest, much like dallas last night before tragedy struck. Joining us now, kellion nixon who attended yesterdays protest rally with his son. Do we have kellion nixon . Hello . As we continue to look at those protest pictures from atlanta, georgia, just some of the protests taking place across the country. As we said, were trying to get kellion nixon on the line. But as you can see, what happened in dallas certainly hasnt stopped americans from coming out and these outpourings of grief. I think its fair to say that people are mixing their grief about the deaths in baton rouge, louisiana, and in minnesota, with sorrow for the families of those officers in dallas. Kellion, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate you being here. Lets talk a little bit about the protest that you attended its kellon. Im sorry, kellon. I mispronounced your name. Thank you. Talk about how the protest was going before you came to protest and what was happening before the shootings erupted. Well, i came to protest because i wanted to have a voice amongst those who couldnt speak for themselves, for those who passed recently. As far as the march and the rally, it was peaceful, very peaceful. Again ill say the people were peaceful, the Police Officers were peaceful. Up until the end. And i hated for it to end in that manner, because that was not what it was supposed to be. And if you could, and i know this has been a really horrific experience for you, sort of describe what unfolded, what you saw last night as that horror broke out. Well, i luckily i believe by the grace of god, i decided to leave just a few seconds early, maybe about 45 seconds, a minute early. And as i was crossing the street to leave, the shots began to ring out. I saw exactly what you described, i saw horror. I saw people running. I saw police just as afraid as any protesters or any rallier was. We were all afraid. We were all trying to live. Thats what i saw. I heard shots, i didnt see a shooter. And i just saw mayhem. And did you have the sense, as you said, seeing this mayhem take place, that there was any particular target . Did you feel in a sense that everyone there was a target, that the protesters themselves also could be targets of those gun shots . To be honest with you, i didnt have time to think of that. I had just the time to think about protecting my sons life and my own life in that time. And to be honest, i feel ashamed now that that was all i could do, and that was all i could think about. But, you know, in times like that, thats your first instinct. Yeah, no, kellon, i think you did exactly the right thing. I want to just ask you about some of the commentary that weve heard. Thankfully not most of the commentary, but some of the commentary that weve heard about what happened in dallas, its tried to vilify the black lives movement at large for what happened. Even though, as you said, you were in the crowd, the people who were protesting and marches were just as much at risk of that shooter as the ultimate targets, the police. What do you say to people who try to blame black lives matter as a movement for this antagonism toward police . I say that thats a blatant lie. I hate the fact that any individual that was a part of the organization of this event last night would ever be considered a part of what took place last night. What really took place last night is whats been taking place across America Forever and thats hatred. It wasnt black lives matter. It wasnt police. It wasnt any of those things. It was pure hatred. And until we resolve our hate issue, then well continue to see these things. And you talked about bringing your son to that protest. Can you tell us, what message were you hoping to convey to your little boy by bringing him to that protest . To you, what is the point of these marches . To me the point is to shed light in darkness. You know, were the light of the world, the salt of the earth. Stand up for me, son. Were the salt of the earth. If we dont expose the light, then it will only get darker, it will only become more them. I wanted him to see that he could have an impact and that he could have a voice. Well, i think that you did that, sir and im glad that you and your son were safe. Kellon nixon, thank you very much for joining us. Can i say one thing . Of course. Hey, julian, hey, katie, i wouldnt get out of here without saying hey to my children and my wife. Theyve been cheering for me all day. A lot of people want me to come on and hate, to say, kill, kill, kill. Ive been getting these messages on social media. But i just want to continue to spread the message of love, to tell us to love one another, to love your neighbor as yourself, to love in the traffic, to love on your job, to love on social media, everywhere you can, love. We got to make our love louder than any kind of hate. Thats the only way were going to make any kind of change. Thanks so much for having me on. Thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it. 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The death of alton sterling in baton rouge, louisiana, shot multiple times by a Police Officer while he was held to the ground. Today the mother of sterlings son put out a statement in support of the families of the shootings in dallas. Responding to violence is violence is not the answer. The other event that brought people to Downtown Dallas was also falcon heights, minnesota, Philando Castiles final moments, as he lay bleeding in his girlfriends car were captured and streamed live by his girlfriend. Hundreds of protesters converged outside the governors residence in st. Paul last night, where they remained until early this morning. Its unclear at this time whether the Justice Department will open an investigation into his death as well. But as those two deaths, the deaths of alton sterling and Philando Castile on tops of decades of shooting deaths of people of color at the hands of Police Officers is what led to the protests last night. 800 men, women, and children, activists alike chanting, enough is enough, no justice no peace, and black lives matter. But the rally was peaceful throughout. Police were on hand in dallas not to antagonize, but to protect the protesters as they walked with them, even stopping to take pictures with them at times. That was the scene in dallas last night, protest and peaceful, until approximately 8 58 p. M. When shots rang out. Now to say what took place next was precisely the opposite of the theme of the rally in march is a huge understatement. But that has not stopped people from taking to the streets again tonight. Thousands gathered in atlanta, jj, centennial park, they marched blaocking traffic. They marched in new york, philadelphia, and baltimore. The rallies continue. Joining me now, president and founder of next Generation Action Network, one of the organizers of yesterdays protest. Thanks so much for being with me. Thank you for having me. Lets start by talking about the purpose of the protests that you organized. What was it . Well, the purpose of the protest was, i was traveling to baton rouge, louisiana, and met with the family of alton sterling, and we organized this protest because we know that in the city of dallas, we have some alton sterlings, we have clinton allen, jason harrison, and many cases here in the city of dallas, theres not been an officer indicted in over 40 years in an officerfatal shooting. So we have these types of cases. We have them in oklahoma city, with Charles Petit jr, we have many cases in these instance, and we wanted to come out and stand up and fight for justice and then while we was planning this, in the last few hours, we hear of the death of Philando Castile. So we are people are tired and enough is enough. We wanted to come out to say and stand with the United States that were outraged with these shootings of young black men being shot and in a pool of their blood. Just going back to piece together how it was possible for the shooter to take position and be in position to commit such lethal acts. Did you file a parade route with the city . Was it known what the route was going to be . No, we never had any route or anything of that nature. It was clear when we left the park, we just took a route. There were many officers inside of the crowd that was not dressed up. A lot of officers from dignitary protection that were navigating us through the crowd and Different Things of that nature. So there was no route given to the Dallas Police department. There was no route that we had planned. We were pretty much just going however the energy of the crowd was going, and prior to the shooting, we were two blocks from basically ending the actual protest. We were on our way back to the park, in which we started at. How did you publicize the march . How would people have found out where to meet you to be a part of what you were doing . Well, we did it on social media. If you go on social media, justice for alton sterling, Philando Castile, youll see that over 1,400 people was able to come out last night. Thats how we got our word out. We got our word out through local media, through local radio. We have built a Strong Coalition with our media to address these issues and put these situations when were trying to gal

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