wouldn't let him into the republican candidates' debate on august 6. fox consigned them to the kids' table debate instead of the real debate. and then to adjure to that insult rick perry did a bad job at the kids' table debate. since then governor perry has sunk lower in the polls than he was before. he's approaching scratch territory in some polls. his fund-raising is also dried up to the extend that he has had to stop paying all of his campaign staff. well, last night we reported late-breaking news that the chairman of rick perry's presidential campaign in iowa had just quit. he's a man named sam clovis, not a national figure but sam clovis is recognizable in iowa republican and conservative politics. he's a former u.s. senate candidate, a right wing talk radio host in iowa. sam clough clovis has been running rick perry's iowa campaign. last night we reported he was leaving the position. he said he had great admiration for rick perry, he thought it was an excellent man and candidate but said it was "time to move on. the cliff hanger is that we didn't know where he was moving on to put yourself that mind-set, if you were a republican operative involved in presidential politics this year and for whatever reason you picked the wrong horse, you signed up this year with a candidate who you thought would do great but your candidate is failing. so you signed up with a chris christie or rand paul or rick perry, any of these guys who look like they might have a shot if in your opinion that situation and you as a republican operative decided you were going to switch horses midstream, get off one of those losing campaigns so you could join another more promising one, whose campaign would you join? who would you sign up with? last night we knew sam clovis was breaking up with rick perry in iowa. but we did not know who he was going to jump into bed with instead. now we know. >> sam clovis, in fact, i think he's probably someplace in the room. where is sam? why don't you answer the question yourself, sam, that would be better? i think so. come up, sam, maybe come up to the mic. and a terrific guy. >> i'm here as the new national co-chair and senior policy advisor for mr. trump in this campaign and i'm excited about the opportunity and a chance to change the status quo in america and i think he's the man that can do it. that's why i'm here. >> up until five minutes ago that man was running the rick perry for president campaign in iowa. but today he let it be known he has signed on with donald trump instead. robert costa at the "washington post" reporting not only that move but a bunch of other ones. the donald trump campaign staffing all over the place. mr. trump not only picked up sam clovis, this iowa conservative, as a new national co-chair of his campaign. mr. trump also today hired a new state director in nevada. he hired two new staffers in new hampshire, in south carolina he's made two new hires as well including a woman named nancy mace, the first woman to ever graduate from the citadel, now working on donald trump's campaign in south carolina. individually, none of those hires, none of those announcements is the sort of thing that would make for a spectacular and entertaining television from a celebrity candidate. none of those is a celebrity move at all. none of them zingers. but they are the serious staffing hires that will impress whether or not donald trump's campaign for president gets treated as a political campaign rather than just an ongoing and admittedly hilarious publicity stunt. on the political basic, stuff like staffing, stuff like polling was one of the biggest days donald trump has had since he started running for president. the political news started with this rocket from public policy polling. public policy polling is generally described as a democratic-leaning firm, they are. they were also distinguish bid their accuracy in the last round of presidential polling. ppp put out a poll today from new hampshire and on the republican side in new hampshire mr. trump, look at his lead. look. he leads by the biggest margins of any state all year. he leads by margins that slay all the supposedly more mainstream candidates that are supposed to be trying to keep up with him now. in this new hampshire ppp poll, they have donald trump at 35% of the vote. that's not just him lapping the person in second place that's him lapping the person in second place more than three times. he's more than tripping the poll numbers from the person who does second best against him in that poll. if you want to get a sense of how dominant he is in new hampshire right now, look at the supposedly most mainstream, most viable candidates in the republican race if you listen to the builtway. if you add up new hampshire support for jeb bush and scott walker and scott walker and cube, if you double their combined number, that is what donald trump is getting in new hampshire. that's new hampshire today. ppp. there's also a south carolina poll that's out today for from monmouth. looks the same, donald trump polling at 30%, doubling the candidate doing second best in south carolina and mr. trump is not only way out front, he pushes all these supposedly more viable supposedly more mainstream candidates down into single digits low single digit, total dominance, a huge day for donald trump in those early state polls news that is very bad. here's one thing to notice. in that p p p poll, yes, donald trump does better than jeb bush or scott walker or new bedford, but none of them even come in second to donald trump in new hampshire. none of them comes in third in new hampshire. donald trump comes in first, second place the john kasich, third place is carly fiorina. what? john kasich doesn't do great in south carolina but carly fiorina does there, too. in that south carolina poll donald trump by a mile, then ben carson is second, jeb bush comes in third in south carolina but then carly fiorina is tied for forty place with marco rubio. carly fiorina relatively speaking is doing great. not donald trump great but her numbers have absolutely been going up in all the places where it counts and her numbers have been going up steadily even though fox news would not let her compete in the prime time republican candidates debate on august 6, her numbers have been going through the roof since then. what is truly incredible is the next republican presidential candidate hosted by cnn, not fox, cnn, i should say, has been much more transparent, much more above board and professional than fox was in terms of explaining their criteria, but even though cnn has been more transparent about it and their criteria are being published in advance and they don't seem to be bumbling their way through it like fox did. even so, cnn is planning on keeping the kids table format where there's one real prime time debate and one consolation prize other debate that nobody watches and doesn't get taken that seriously and implicitly diss the candidates forced to sit at it. not only is cnn keeping that format that fox used to such disastrous effect on august 6, not only is cnn keeping that format, but in cnn's case, the criteria they have chosen for who will make the real stage and who will be shunted to the kids table, their criteria is on track to keep carly fiorina at the kids table. in the next debate, even though she's doing so well in these early states around the country. point of personal privilege here, and i've got nothing for or against carly fiorina as a candidate, but that's ridiculous, cnn. that's ridiculous. let them all debate. if you need to break them into two heat, randomly assign them. you'll be fine, seriously. but let them all debate. the kids' table format is an intrusion into the republican presidential primary process. it's complicated, a distraction, a huge disservice to a whole bunch of candidates who do not deserve it. and right now that format is set to keep out of the debate the person running third in new hampshire beating jeb bush and scott walker and marco rubio and the rest of them. running fourth in south carolina but she is not going to be allowed on to the debate stage by cnn because somehow they believe she doesn't qualify to be there. it's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. and there's still time to change it. you should change it. regardless of what happens with that debate, though, and with these lower tiers of republican candidates overall. bottom line story is that the front-runner status of one campaign on the republican side is clearer than it has been in this entire process. donald trump is further out ahead tonight than he has been all along. tonight he's holding a rally in dubuque, iowa, his campaign says they have 3,000 rsvps. before the rally, what was supposed to be a short q&a session with the press went on longer than he expected and he kind of seemed to enjoy himself and kind of let himself get out of hand. something very unscripted happened today thanks to a reporter named jorge ramos who works at univision. mr. ramos initially was not called on by mr. trump to ask a question but jorge ramos stood up anyway and started asking the questions he wanted to ask. what ensued wasn't a heckler situation because jorge ramos is a reporter but not a heckler. this was a very confrontational and tense moment. and this may have happened before and i don't know about it. but at least as far as i know this is the first time i have seen donald trump, presidential candidate, confronted so bluntly in a way he could not control. and that tells you something about jorge ramos the reporter, but it also today showed us something about donald trump. about about how he deals with direct personal confrontation he was not expecting and it turned out to be super tense and super fascinating to watch. >> i have a question about immigration. your immigration plan -- >> who's next? sit down, you weren't called. sit down. sit down. >> go ahead. >> i have the right to ask a question. >> no, you don't, is you haven't been called. >> go back to univision. go ahead. >> you cannot deport 11 million people, mr. trump. you cannot deport 11 million people. you cannot -- >> go ahead. go ahead. >> you cannot deny citizenship to -- >> sit down, please. you weren't called. >> i'm a reporter. >> i have the right to ask a question. >> in order. >> i have the right to request ask a question. >> yes, go ahead. yes. >> roger ailes says you need to apologize. >> mr. trump, you're running for president and one of our country's top journalists, the main anchor of univision was escorted out. do you think you handled that well? >> i don't know much about him. i don't believe i've ever met him and he started screaming. you'll have to talk to security. whoever security is brought him out. i chose you, i chose other people to answer questions. he just stands up and starts screaming so, you know, maybe he's at fault also. i don't know where he is. i don't mind if he comes back, frankly. >> president obama has taken some tough questions from jorge ramos. is there a reason why you won't? >> because he was out of order. i would take his question in two seconds but he started screaming. >> would you let him back in now? >> i told you already if he wanted to i'd love to. but you can't stand up and scream. i was saying something to somebody else and this guy stands up and starts screaming. he's obviously a very emotional person. i don't know him. i don't have no idea but i would love to have questions from him. >> i don't know him. stick a pin in that for a moment because that's not true. now in terms of them dragging univision reporter jorge ramos out of that room there, i don't know what happened after mr. ramos was taken out of the room but it's interesting. after he was questioned, mr. trump was questioned by other reporters saying "what r you willing to talk to mr. ramos? why won't you answer his questions?" mr. ramos was brought back into the press conference and then donald trump called on him. >> why do you say is this that? >> you can not that. >> well a lot of people think -- no, excuse me. >> you have to change the constitution. >> but a lot of people think that's not right. that an act of congress can do it. now it's possibly going to have to be tested in courts but a lot of people think that if you come and you're on the other side of the border -- i'm not talking about mexico. somebody on the other side of a border, a woman is getting ready to have a baby, she has the baby all of a sudden for the next 80 years, hopefully longer, but for the next 80 years we have to take care of the baby. no, i don't think so. excuse me, some of the greatest legal scholars and i know some of the television scholars agree with you but some great legal scholars agree that's not true. >> you're not answering the question. >> i am. if you come across for one day, one day and you have a baby now the baby is going to be an american citizen. there are great legal scholars, the top, that say that's wrong. it's going to be tested. >> the question is how are you going to build a 1900 mile wall? >> very easy. i'm a builder. i build buildings that are 94 -- can i tell you what's more complicated? what's more complicated is building a building that's 59 stories tall. >> but it as a waste of time and money. >> you think so? really, i don't think so. a lot of people don't think so. >> 44% of immigrants come by train. >> i don't believe that. i don't believe it. they have pictures of them crawling over the fences that are this high. >> well, they're coming by train. >> well, they're coming by many different ways but the primary way is being right through past our border patrols who are tremendous people they can do the job but they're told not to. >> are you going to bring the home? >> no, we'll do in the a humane fashion, believe me. the one thing we're going to do. >> the one thing we're going to start with immediately are the gangs and the real bad ones and you agree there are some bad ones. do you agree with that or is do you think everyone is just perfect? do you agree with that that we have tremendous crime, we have tremendous problems? is i can't deal with this. listen, we have tremendous crime. we have very bad ones and i think you would agree with that, right? there are a lot of bad one, real bad ones. they looked at the gangs in baltimore and chicago they looked even in ferguson. they have rough illegal immigrants in those gangs. go do you mind if i send them out? if they come from mention cocan i send them back to mexico? is. >> if they're criminals, no problem. >> they'll be out so fast your head will spin. >> donald trump tonight with jorge ramos, the univision anchor basically having an extended fight in front of the national press. extended fight with donald trump bragging to jorge ramos who, again, works for univision, it culminated with mr. trump bragging to jorge ramos about how great how beautiful, how huge his lawsuit against univision is. a . >> i think so because i'm going to bring jobs back. >> i've seen the poll, univision polls say 75% of latinos. >> how much am i suing univision for right now? do you know the number? tell me. tell me. do you know the number? you're a part of the lawsuit. how much am i suing univision for. >> the question is, mr. trump, i'm a reporter -- >> it's $500 million. and they're very concerned about it. i have to tell you. i'm very good at this stuff. >> when he remember when he said he didn't know who jorge ramos was? "you're part of the lawsuit." now jorge ramos wanted it to be about donald trump's immigration policies, pressing him for specifics and specifics, mr. trump wanted it to be about how giant his univision lawsuit is. is he said he would sue univision after univision dropped trump in protest for his anti-immigrant comments on the campaign trail. this is the first time we have seen mr. trump as a presidential front-runner have to deal with an extended personal confrontation. nothing like this happened in the debate, right? with him as the increasingly distant front-runner for the republican nomination, this was the first of these kinds of confrontations he had. it probably won't be the last. i mean, the way mr. trump has dealt with critical press coverage up until now has been to banish certain news outlets or pick fights with certain news outlet he is thinks have been too harsh with him. this exact press availability today in dubuque, iowa. he banished somebody from that. the "des moines register" had their dubuque, iowa, reporter at that event and the trump campaign banned the "des moines register's" reporter from this press availability because of an editorial the "des moines register" wrote a couple months ago criticizing mr. trump's comments about john mccain. so he's used to banish news outlet he is doesn't like. in terms of television media, mr. trump has engaged in an on going and increasingly heated fight with the fox news channel, of all places where he is deciding he doesn't like one of the fox news channel's prime time hosts his objections have led to him to threat on the boycott all appearances on that network. which might cause the fox news network to collapse, i don't know. it's one thing to control the universe in which you operate. all campaigns try to do that to some extent. ultimately you have to campaign in the real world which includes confrontation and people who don't like you and people who will say not nice things to you and won't shut up when you ask them to. today we started that chapter of the donald trump era in republican presidential politics. oy vey. >> i do a lot of things by myself. people would be surprised. 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