kaine speaks at the human rights dinner in washington. let's bring in my colleague nbc's katy tur. let's talk about this back and forth, particularly about the russian issue. i heard you there commenting or at least when we heard donald trump make that comment about it's not so bad if he likes me, i'll like him. very interesting way to do international relations but what's the reaction been to this back and forth about the russian president. >> it's been mixed. donald trump is getting back-up when he says vladimir putin is a stronger leader and more respected leader than president obama. he is getting back-up from mike pence as well as surrogates. it's become a bit of a litmus test for republicans on however are you willing to go to support donald trump, if you will. paul ryan not going that far, refusing to say putin stronger leader than president obama. marco rubio calling him a dictator. those are two prominent republicans who had trouble with him in the past, once again refusing to get behind his words. are they taking away support from him? no. are they going to vote for him? absolutely. it's a conundrum for the republican party to figure out how to thread the needle of standing behind their nominee but not necessarily standing behind the words that come out of their nominee's mouth. >> given that, phyllis a wedge on the democratic side, strategy on the democratic side they can continue to keep hammering this russian alliance for lack of a better word? >> absolutely. they are trying to. insults allies, angela merkel, mispronounces her name, calls her angela merkel quite often on the campaign trail. he's complimenting maybe not our enemies but people we don't have friendly relations with. vladimir putin being one of those folks. they are using that as a wedge issue. they are at the same time trying to make hillary clinton look a little more presidential. that's why she convened a meeting with national security advisers but bipartisan meeting that included michael chertoff, david petraeus, both of them serving under george w. bush. is it going to work for the clinton campaign? they were trying to do a reset and make her a little more positive, more relatable, less on the attack against donald trump. but last night at a fundraiser, she came out and called donald trump supporters, half of them, deplorables, sexist, racist, islam fobbist, trump campaign saying i told you so, how dare she support our supporters but clinton campaign doubling down on it saying donald trump has essentially released a pandora's box of hate. >> nbc's road warrior, katy tur nice to have you in the studio. >> nice to see you in person. >> a campaign clarifying a comment made at a fundraiser last night, let's bring in msnbc's kasie hunt in our washington bureauo. break it down for us, what happened? >> hi, ayman. seems to be another case, we've seen a couple of them over the last decades in presidential races where a presidential candidate says in front of donors they don't say on the campaign trail. hillary clinton at an lgtb fundraiser in new york last night when she said that half of trump's supporters are a basket of deplorables using words like racist, sexist, homo phobic, islamophob islamophobic, came out and said in a tweet the crowds at trump rallies appear to be half people like this. i've been to a lot of trump rallies. when you simply look at the polling, she is painting a broad section of the american public here in making these comments. he also tweeted what she was referring to specifically was the alt-right, which, of course, clinton gave a long speech about. there you can see it, gave the entire speech about alt-right using the campaign to advance the hate movement. tweets, not everyone supporting trump is part of the alt-right but alt-right leaders are with trump and those people appear to make up half the crowds. having been to trump rallies, i find it difficult to believe half the crowd feels that way. certainly there are quite a few americans i talked to who suppressed the opposite of these sentiments. the alt-right movement while it has been very noisy and many have said they do support donald trump, it is not necessarily a group that's large enough to give you close to 50% in some of these national polls. >> so kasie, let me if you with polls narrowing in states, is there a sense it will play negatively towards clinton campaign, possibly backfire on her. >> the trump campaign seems to, they put out a statement seizing on this saying hillary clinton has shown her true colors. this is how she feels about every day americans. i think the question will be if she revealed her true contempt for every day americans. i think it's still an open question whether this is something that continues to resonate. i will say we remember remarks that are like this, remember when president obama, for example, talked about people clinging to their guns and religion back during the course of the 2008 campaign. i'd be interested to see if this remark lands in similar pantheon. >> fellow road warrior, kasie hunt, thank you for joining us. >> nice to see you. >> joining us francesca chamber covering clinton campaign important daily mail and editor at the hill. good to have both of you with us. you just heard kasie talk about it. here is the clinton comment we're talking about. >> you can put half trump supporters into what i call basket of deplorables, racist, sexist, homo phobic, islamophobic, you name it. unfortunately there are people like that, and he has lifted them up. some of those folks are ir redeemable but thankfully they are not america. >> what do you think she means by that? give us a sense of how it's going to be interpreted? is there a strategy using this terminology to go after his supportsers or some of his supporters? >> all right compared to 47% comment mitt romney made at a private fundraiser when he was running in 2012. you mention the strategy behind it, it's kind of interesting. when we were on the plane jen palmieri her communications director said she was going to do a series of speeches focused on uplifting and positive message. in the course of that discussion, it came up she hasn't been doing as well in the polls, seemed to be part of the reason why they were not going to be attacking trump but instead focusing on her values and what motivates her to run for president. to then hear clinton turn around and make a comment like that at the fundraiser seemed to sort of be an affront to the shift in direction that the campaign is trying to take. >> let me ask you this real quick, francesca. you covered the news conference thursday. for those following it, that was a bit of a rarity they held a news conference, seemed impromptu, not a lot of advanced notice. why do you think they decided to hold one that day? do you think this is going to be a more common practice going forward? >> that was actually the third time she took questions, two other times on the plane prior to that. so it would seem she is going to be doing this more frequently. she took a few questions yesterday after she made a statement on her national security meeting. the reason it seemed that the clinton campaign and secretary clinton wanted to talk that day was because at the nbc forum the night before, she had went first after losing a coin toss to donald trump, she went first, he went second, so she wanted to respond to some of the things that happened, that he had said that evening. one of the things that came up in that news conference was that he had shared some information from his classified briefings. he didn't go into specific details but the campaign was very adamant that morning that she would not have shared details from any of her classified briefings. >> let me ask you this. actually, let me play a sound bite from donald trump, take a listen. >> iran, circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and make gestures at our people that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water. >> so is this a campaign strategy to try to make donald trump look tough or trump kind of going rogue. >> i think it's a combination of both to be perfectly honest, ayman. i think on one hand that particular remark thank you just played was not part of the of the prepared, scripted speech that myself and others in the media received. on the other hand, the absolutely unifying theme of donald trump's campaign has been this idea that he's a strong leader, he'll bring strength to the united states. he has excoriated hillary clinton and president obama as being true weak. on the one hand the individual remark was going rogue or at least ad libbed, but it was consistent with trump's broader message in this campaign. >> i know hillary clinton held a meeting of national security advisers on friday. some of those that were actually at that national security meeting were former republican -- or republican officials that served under george w. bush including homeland secretary there. i'm curious to get your thought as to how the trump campaign is going to view this. are they going to see this as a setback, or are they going to play this off as they are the establishment of the republican party we're not really interested in. >> i think that's a great point. i think the trump campaign has tended to take that sort of approach to say we are anti-establishment, that donald trump is outside of the norm of these things and really paint both bush and obama and clinton people all as part of this washington club against which donald trump is positioning himself. it's a bit like comments on iran. how far can you go to defy the norm. some people look at it, others look at the comment about iran and say you can't apply the rules of schoolyard for international diplomacy. that's the split there. >> francesca, new "washington post" front page story that's out that suggests some democrats are beginning to wonder and worry why isn't hillary clinton far ahead of donald trump. i'm curious to get your thoughts inside the cl clinton camp about that? >> it goes back to the series of speeches he talked about before. she'll be doing four speeches that will focus on that uplifting message, her positive vision for america. the first one she gave on faith, another on economy -- the economy, national service, one on children and families. she'll also continue to be doing rallies where she hits donald trump as well. and a point that the campaign hit on was that they understand that it's an uphill battle to keep focused on that positive message she started this campaign with when you have donald trump out there every day saying things they want to respond to and they know that the media wants to write about those things. so moving forward, they are going to take a two-pronged approach, it would seem, to campaigning where she does give those uplifting speeches on the one hand but continues to show the contrast between herself and donald trump on the other hand. >> niall, in one of your latest articles, you looked at 11 states that are probably going to decide this race. i'm curious to get your thoughts on which particular state caught your eye? >> well, a couple did. one was ohio where donald trump is actually running more strongly than some people would expect. that race is essentially a dead heat and that is constantly being a battleground state. on the other hand, one looks to virginia, a state that at one stage had been pretty safe for republicans is no longer and hillary clinton actually has quite a significant lead, around about five percentage points there. i think that is very encouraging for the clinton campaign, very troublesome for donald trump and the republican party. >> niall and francesca, thank you both for joining us this morning. there is potential evidence to show donald trump's outreach to african-american voters may be helping him and actually hurting hillary clinton, but will it make any difference comes november? stay with us. this car is traveling over 200 miles per hour. to win, every millisecond matters. both on the track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. giving them the agility to have speed & precision. because no one knows &ike at&t. get between you and life's dobeautiful moments.llergens flonase gives you more complete allergy relief. most allergy pills only control one inflamtory substance. flonase controls 6. and six is greater thanne. flonase changes everything. ♪ ♪ [monster noises] ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash. this dog treat called max and dentalife.covered it's really different. see? 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>> i don't think it will make a meaningful difference because i think most african-american voters will recognize that the outreach is not authentic. donald trump is 70 years old and there's though evidence during his seven decades on god's green earth that prior to the church visit in detroit last weekend that he had ever been in an african-american church. i think it was a political photo-op for donald trump and it won't move in any significant way. the reality is he was so low in terms of favorability and in terms of his polling that there is no way to go but up. you may see an increase that's marginal in nature one or two points throughout the duration of the campaign but i don't think it's going to make a difference in terms of overall african-american vote. >> one thing donald trump has talked about, education. he addressed it in cleveland out there. take a listen to this sound bite. >> i want every single inner city child in america who is today trapped in a failing school to have the freedom, civil right to attend the school of their choice. this includes private schools, traditional public schools, magnet schools and charter schools which must be included in any definition of school choice. >> so how do you think his school choice position is going to resonate with african-american voters? >> i think there's growing bipartisan consensus we've got to do more to improve quality of public education for all americans, and in particular inner city african-american and latino communities. now, part of that as far as i'm concerned is going to be options to go to high performing public charter schools as well as magnet schools. but in terms of the notion of school vouchers and other things donald trump may be proposing, part of the classic right wing conservative republican playbook, i don't think that's going to play well with the african-american community. >> one of the points donald trump has been criticizing hillary clinton for is she's been taking african-american vote for granted. not just her but democratic party in general for years has been taking it for granted. given what we're saying there was a dip in hillary clinton since the convention in july, are you at all concerned that, in fact, the clinton campaign may be taking african-american votes for granted, given the fact donald trump is doing so badly with them? >> not at all. she has a long-standing track record of working on issues of importance to the african-american community going all the way back to her days out of yale law school when she started with children's defense fund and working on issues of importance to the criminal justice system as relates to african-american children in the deep south all the way through her time with the obama administration and before that, of course, as the united states senator and as first lady both in arkansas and in washington, d.c. she started her campaign this year giving a speech in harlem talking about the need to deal with mass incarceration, overcriminalization in america, which, of course, is an issue that disproportionately and adversely affects african-american community. they recognize and i've been in close contact with clinton campaign officials that we have to make sure that the enthusiasm level amongst the african-american community is high so that not only does she gets the numbers in terms of percentages but that the turnout is such approximates levels in 2008 and 2012 so we can help put her over the top so she's victorious. >> one group within the african-american community shoeb a lackluster support for clinton has been millennials. many democrats expressing concern at the lack of enthusiasm and in some case outright resistance some black millennials feel towards mrs. clinton. how critical is the african-american millennial vote. what does the clinton campaign have to do to address their concerns? they are going to be part of the democratic party for many years to ko they are going to grow. shoot democrats be concerned they are not doing enough to address their concerns? >> i think millennials have understandably become disappointed in the political process. they watched with great enthusiasm barack obama be elected corks to washingtonv a tremendous amount of accomplishments. but be fought every step of the way with republicans who demeanored to delegitimatize him including donald trump with his effort to challenge president obama's citizenship. we've got a lot of work to do to make sure millennials are invested in the democratic process, believe in it and recognize it can result in an improvement in their quality of life. in terms of the african-american vote at the end of the day, most important demographic african-american church going women over age of 50 and amongst that demographic hillary clinton is money in the back. >> quickly, do they see any other candidates out there they find resonance with, jill stein, gary johnson? >> i think that will be marginal. we've been making a point there is a significant difference between hillary clinton and donald trump and we should not go down the road many went in 2000 believing there was no difference between al gore and george w. bush. we see how that worked out. >> take a look at the screen. i want to change topics here dramatically. that is you on the hill's most beautiful list of 2016. how are you handling the fame? how has it changed your life? >> i'm still trying to figure out how i snuck on the list, possible my mother nominated me. it's given everyone a good laugh back home in washington. >> are you recognized on the street? >> not yet. >> representative, thank you for coming in. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> take care. john hinckley heading home for good but how do his neighbors feel about the home coming? stay with us. max and i just discovered this dog treat called dentalife. it's really diffent. see? it's flexible... ...and it has a chewy, porous texture, full of little tiny air pockets that gives dogs' teeth a clean scrub all the way down to the gum line. 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>> reporter: ayman, we don't. in part, this is a gradual transition getting him away from st. elizabeth hospital. this has been done in faces of phases. right now he can stay 17 days, 17 nights in this gated community behind me. what happens today, it's permanent. he can call this home. there are court imposed restrictions what he can and cannot dochl as of today john hinckley jr. can call this his permanent residence and make it his home. ayman. >> we know what time he may be released. do we know more about his personal mental condition? >> his personal mental condition according to everything the court has been reviewing has been in much sounder position for 20 years, the psychosis he dealt with, drankment that led him to try to assassinate president ronald reagan. they say he has dealt with that. he's still under order to see a psychiatry, continue with treatment. a lot of restrictions on him. he can, however, drive. he's supposed to go up to washington, d.c., once a month, have another checkin with the clinic there. that's something can he drive himself to. they want him to work to try to integrate himself into the community. already here at a local untarrian church he's been vol taerg, doing landscaping work. >> have you had a chance to talk to any residents in the community? are they expressing kernel will be living among them? >> a couple weeks ago when the decision was first announced, the judge made the decision this would be permanent, a lot of residents expressed concern about what they would be having in their community, also from patty davis, ronald reagan's daughter. she's also expressed concern. there's also an effort for forgiveness as well. remember, he will also have -- john hinckley jr. will have an ankle bracelet on him and secret service will continue to monitor him. among the restrictions put on him, he's not allowed to even talk to government officials. >> nbc's hans nichols live in virginia. appreciate that update, hans. overseas now in landmark deal u.s. and russia announced a plan to bring about cease-fire in war-torn syria. agreement scheduled sunset sunday, a five--year-old civil war and allow flow of humanitarian aid. >> we believe that the plan as it is set forth if implemented, if followed, has the ability to provide a turning point, a moment of change. the suffering we have witnessed in syria over the course of more than five years now is really beyond inhumane. >> nbc's richard engel in geneva switzerland for us where it all went down. richard, help break down this deal for us? >> good morning. secretary kerry and russian counterpart sergey lavrov reached a deal here in geneva last night, this ancient city of diplomacy. critics say it has very little chance of succeeding. what washington and russia degree to do was use their leverage over players in the syrian conflict to try starting monday to implement a seven-day cease-fire with russia pressuring syrian regime, washington pressuring syrian opposition groups. if that seven-day cease-fire can last, it would trigger a series of other events, namely russia and washington coordinating more closely in the fight against isis, also more discussions about the political transition in syria. but previous cease-fires have not lasted very long so there's not very much hope this one can last the required full seven days. >> let's bring in russia expert and historian amy knight, "orders from above," will be published next year. the recent controversy around vladimir putin and donald trump. began at commander in chief forum. listen to this sound bite and i'll get your reaction to it afterwards. >> i think i would have a very, very good relationship with putin. if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. i've already said he is very much of a leader. >> that's something that's also been echoed by other republicans that he's a strong leader, he's a good leader. i'm curious to get your thoughts as a russia expert, is vladimir putin the type of leader one wants to emulate. is he, in your eyes as a russian expert, a good president? >> hardly. i think vladimir putin is a dictator. i would use that term. he's extremely authoritarian. he suppresses dissent in his own country. he's very intolerant of opposition. he has had political opponents murdered, and the kremlin controls the media. we're not talking about a democracy. i think what mr. trump says shows a basic failure to understand the difference between russia's system and ours. >> let me ask you about this other claim that came up. that was donald trump appearing on a larry king program, which is on russian tv, which is russian controlled or russian owned, maybe not state owned but russian controlled television. trump said he didn't know it was going to be on tv, just a podcast for larry king. i'm curious how donald trump's personality or persona is perceived inside russia. >> that's a good question. i'm not sure. russia has its own elections coming up for the parliament in september. i'm not that sure they are paying all that much attention to donald trump but i'm sure the men in the kremlin are. >> what do you think their take is? are they excited to see donald trump? not excited. too strong. do they have a preference who they want to see in the white house? >> it is ironic that donald trump is gop and traditionally the republicans have taken a firmer stance on russia. >> yeah. you think of the reagan era. >> so now the tables have kind of turned and we've got somebody who is a republican and yet seems to want to bend over backwards to be friendly with president putin. >> so given the fact there's been some of these allegations that russia has tried to hack the dnc servers and possibly even been involved in more cyber crimes against united states, some going so far as to say russia is trying to undermine american democracy in favor of the trump campaign. do you see them having a preference? >> i really do think probably at this moment their preference is for donald trump. i don't know whether. >> what do you think they see in him that say this is somebody we would rather have in the white house? >> i hate to say this but i think they can see he's easily manipulated. >> okay. >> he doesn't really think deeply about these strategic matters, so he would be somebody who has given the impression if he's just flattered, he'll go along with the russians. >> let me shift gears a little bit and ask you about this agreement that has now come out in geneva. how difficult is it on the one hand there's this criticism of russia particularly when it doss issues of cyber and cyberspace and hacking and on the one hand they need russia to resolve major conflicts particularly that in syria. how difficult is it to balance that relationship between working with the russians but at the same time being very concerned that the russians are trying to undermine the elections here in the united states? >> well, it is a balancing act for sure. and we need very much russia's cooperation in syria. and thus far they haven't shown themselves to be very amenable to what we want. they have been supporting assad regime. their campaigns have been countered onto what we see as what should be done. also we need their cooperation at some point to end this conflict in ukraine. >> yeah. >> so yes. i think that this calls for a very delicate balancing act. real politic but also recognizing we have to have some cooperation. >> you've written extensively about vladimir putin, it's hard to get in his mind-set but what do you think he's trying to do praising donald trump, given the fact he was a former kgb officer, give us insight into his thinking. >> i think donald trump making a big deal of putin praising him. i think putin is trying to appear as though he's completely neutral. >> is he? has he said similar things about the clinton campaign we're missing or is he saying the same things about both candidates trump is absorbing as a compliment. >> i think he's been reasonably even handed. he hasn't spoken very much one way or the other because it would be pretty inappropriate for him to come out and say that the kremlin is rooting for -- >> that's kind of rare among adversaries in international politics. >> exactly. but i don't think the kremlin minds the fact that everybody in the u.s. is so worried about this hacking. whether it's true or not, you know, it gives them a little feeling of power. >> thank you. great to have you with us. really appreciate your insights. >> thank you. closing the gap, what is causing donald trump's rise in the polls nationally and in key battleground states. we'll take a look at that in just a moment. next hour, the man that informed president bush about 9/11 attacks reinequities on that dark day. we'll discuss the challenges that could face the next president. microscope, microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still existson the de, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. before it became a medicine, it was an idea. beforean inspiration.dicine, a wild "what-if." so scientists went to work. they examined 87 different protein structures. had 12 years of setbacks and breakthroughs, 4,423 sleepless nights, and countless trips back to the drawing board. at first they were told no, well... maybe, and finally: yes. then it was 36 clinical trials, 8,500 patient volunteers, and the hope of millions. and so after it became a medicine, someone who couldn't be cured, could be. me. ♪ this dog treat called max and dentalife.covered it's really different. see? 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>> among independents, it's interesting, because north carolina's 40% registered democrat, 30 registered republican and 30 registered independent. so you'd think on the surface of it it's a slam-dunk for democrats, but democrats are more like independents and independents more like republicans. so he's appealing to the independent voter. ultimate the undecides have a higher proportion among independents. >> let me ask you about the demographics. you're talking about independents, also referring to it being a slam-dunk for democrats, the state is becoming more or less -- less rural, more urban and that's supposed to at least in theory give democrats an edge. why aren't we seeing this in your poll? >> well, we are, actually, among african-american voters who dominate in the urban areas, the lead is 84-7 for hillary clinton. so no problem there. african-americans make up one in five in terms of the statewide turnout. you also have white evangelicals when you think about areas west of charlotte, for example, west and north of charlotte along the tennessee borders and counties. there's 100 counties in north carolina. many of the southern counties that border south carolina are conservative as well. when you add it all up, it's a margin of error race and that's what we see in the poll. >> big picture, how important is north carolina to the electoral college vote? >> it's critical. there aren't very many paths for donald trump. epa if he wins ohio and florida, he still is in a box because he has to win nevada, he has to win either michigan or north carolina. right now it's a margin of error race, a good field operation wipes that out. hillary clinton should have the superior field operation in north carolina. so you know, many more path to 270 for hillary clinton right now. still for donald trump. >> let's talk a little about the issue of trust. obviously when it comes to trust negatives are high for both candidates, clinton and trump. clint trump 41, clinton 50. much higher. what do you make of that? >> our polls, i don't think he's that much more popular in north carolina. to that point, the trust issue is a real issue in north carolina. because you know, as i say independents are critical here. trump is winning independents. she gets lo marks on trust. going forward she has to address it, whether it be by addressing it with the clinton foundation or, you know, other ways to explain the issue. she definitely has to deal with that issue head on. >> one of the big concerns a lot of people have is voter appear thy and low turnout. in that case who does that favor, low turnout? 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