Because he was afraid his hair might get injured in the rain that day and the attitudes in that article that he expresses about the military. We got a statement from mary trump, and i was so about this, i was so fascinated to see you begin your coverage tonight with mary trump because as i was reading this, thats who i was thinking about this because Jeffrey Goldberg has taken us inside a very preverse section of Donald Trumps mind, which is his attitude toward the military, as you pointed out. And that footage that we have never seen before about your interview with mary trump was so helpful on this. This is what he said in an exclusive statement tonight in response specifically to the reporting of Jeffrey Goldberg that you have been going through for the last hour. Mary trump said anybody who is surprised by donalds comments is once again letting him off the hook when he has time after time demonstrated himself to be nothing but an antiamerican, antimilitary traitor to this country. So that is mary trumps specific response tonight to what she has read in Jeffrey Goldbergs reporting. Wow. And you couple that with the fact that she is the one who just, in her book, reported that the president threatened to disown his own child if he chose to enlist in the military because the president was so against it and so repulsed by that prospect. I feel like this is a part of this president that im not sure i ever wanted flushed out. And that cemetery that he refused to visit, of course, has many marines from world war ii. And so i immediately wanted to reach out to seth molten, congressman, former marine captain, four tours of combat duty. Hes going to join us tonight. As i was in the middle of the article article, i wanted to reach out to bob kerry who left after a leg in vietnam. Rachel, that was before i got to the horrible, horrible ending of this article in which you quoted where donald trump talks about his attitude toward not wanting to ever see amputees and wounded veterans because he said nobody wants to see that. Yeah. And i just i dont have room in my you know, hopefully mildly em pa thet ek understanding of the range of Human Emotions that is available to any of us to be able to con your that. I cant think my way into somebody feeling that way, let alone being repulsed by someones decision to join the military. Goldberg reports he sees that as a sign of a lack of intelligence or a lack of talent that you would sign up for the military and that hes repulsed and doesnt want to see anyone thats been injured, let alone pay them any respects. Honestly, i wouldnt believe it, too, were it not for these sources. As a marine corps veteran and a reporter, he didnt believe it when he read it. Then he started calling his own sources and got multiple confirmations. No. It is as horrible and ugly a donald trump story as weve ever had. Thank you, rachel. As i say, we begin tonight with the breaking news from Jeffrey Goldbergs new report in the atlantic that tells one of the ugliest stories ever told about donald trump and it begins with that ugly confection on the top of Donald Trumps head that is designed to hide what for donald trump is a painful truth. In trying to hide that truth, donald trump reveals so very much of who he is in trying to desperately to hide the truth about how much hair actually grows on Donald Trumps head. He combs over the spots of his skull that he doesnt want you to see and the crown he creates is so absurdly elaborate and obviously fragile that it screams a constant warning of the fragility of the ego that needs to create that ridiculous lie on the top of his head. And when donald trump enters, his hair is lying to you before he opens his mouth. Donald trumps hair tells you, here is a man who will lie to you and does not care how obvious and ridiculous his lies are. Donald trumps hair gives you the shortest shortcut you could ask for in measuring his insecurity. And then he speaks and tells you how smart he is so you know hes wildly insecure about how smart he isnt. As he goes on to compliment himself about everything, you know hes wildly insecure about everything. Everything about donald trump is as insecure as the hair he has tortured into position on the top of his head. And we know tonight that hair is more important to donald trump than life and death, the life and death of others, the lives and deaths of american soldiers buried in a cemetery in france that donald trump refused to visit because it was raining and he worried about the fragility of his hair. The current commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States of america was afraid that his hair could not endure rain drops in a place where american soldiers endured so much more and so many made the ultimate sacrifice. You might recall that in 2018 it was a lastminute change to Donald Trumps schedule in france when he canceled a visit to the American Cemetery in paris saying that the helicopter could not fly because of rain and that the secret service couldnt drive, didnt want to drive because of rain. They didnt want to drive there. Now, there was no reason to believe any of that story at the time, and many of us publically said we did not believe that story at the time. But now, now Jeffrey Goldberg has now reporting saying that none of that was true, that the helicopter couldnt fly and it was not true that the sec set service couldnt drive to the cemetery. Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain and because he did not believe it important to honor american born dead according to people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day and a conversation with senior Staff Members on the morning of the scheduled visit, trump said, why should i go to that cemetery . Its filled with losers. In a separate conversation on the same trip, trump referred to the 1,800 marines who lost their lives as suckers. It is a consequencial battle in American History and the ground on which it is fought is venerated by the marine war. They dropped the german advance toward paris there in the spring of 1918. But trump on that same trip asked aids, who were the good guys in this war . He also said that he didnt understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the allies. When the marine corps arrived at belleau wood, french soldiers retreated and warned the marines that german attacks were going to increase and urged the marines to retreat, to which captain Lloyd Williams said retreat . Hell, we just got here. We have known that donald trump does not understand or respect bravery since the very first time he opened his foul mouth about john mccain. Hes not a war hero. Hes a war hero. Hes a war hero because he was captured. I like people that werent captured. When mccain died in august of 2018, trump told his senior staff, were not going to support that losers funeral and he became furious according to witnesses when he saw flags lowered to halfstaff. What the f are we going that for . The guy was an fing loser the president told aidsment trump was not invited to mccains funeral. On at least two occasions since becoming president according to three sources with direct knowledge of his views, the president referred to george h. W. Bush as a loser for being shot down in world war ii. When donald trump does visit a Military Cemetery, he doesnt get it. And he has actually admitted that. On the first memorial day of the Trump Presidency in 2017, donald trump went Arlington National cemetery accompanied by former marine corps general john kelly who was then Donald Trumps secretary of Homeland Security. John kellys son was killed seven years earlier in afghanistan when he was 29. And he is buried at Arlington National cemetery. Jeffrey goldberg reports, according to sources, trump while standing by robert kellys brave turned directly to his father and said, i dont get it. What was in it for them . Kelly, who declined to comment for this story initially believed that trump was making a ham handed reference to the selflessne selflessness. But he later came to realize trump does not understand nontransactional life choices. He cant fathom the idea of doing something for someone other than himself. He just thinks that anyone who does anything when there is no direct personal gain to be had is a sucker. There is no money in serving the nation, kellys friend went on to say. Trump cant imagine anyone elses pain. Thats why he would say this to the father of a Fallen Marine on memorial day. Donald trump sees military parades the way dictators do. So even though he thinks the military is for losers and suckers, for years now, donald trump has been trying to mount a military parade in washington, not to honor the troops and their sacrifice, but to honor their commander in chief. Jeffrey goldberg ends his report with this description of a white house meeting about planning a military parade. In a 2018 white house planning meeting for such an event, trump had not to include wounded veterans on the grounds that spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees. Nobody wants to see that, he said. When i was working in the United States senate, it was my honor to see that every day. There was the republican leader of the senate bob dole, wounded by machine gunfire in world war ii and unable to use his right arm and right hand. There was senator john mccain who was held az a prisoner of war for five and a half years. His injuries left him with limited movements of his arms. On the other side of the aisle, the senator of hawaii who lost his right arm in world war ii and was awarded the medal of honor and senator bob kerry of alaska who left half of his right leg in vietnam. And it is my honor to be joined in this discussion tonight by former senator bob kerry who served as a navy seal in vietnam and a captain in the marine corps. Gentlemen, what i would like to do is get out of the way and let you, with your expertise, respond to what you have heard in this report by Jeffrey Goldberg. And, seth, you know this show has a bias for the United States senate going first. So well let senator kerry start us off. Well, look, its completely consistent. There is nothing surprising about the president s attitude towards people who choose to serve their country. What concerns me, lawrence, we have a higher fraction of men and women who served in the military who are committing suicide. And oftentimes they feel like theyre losers. They feel like theyre suckers, especially those of us who are injured. We do feel that we might make people uncomfortable when theyre around us. And i just say to those men and women who served, you are not losers. You are not suckers. You served your country, and we value that service. You have given us more than we have a right to expect, frankly. And dont be concerned that the president doesnt understand service because all of us who have served do understand and were very grateful to you, seth, and others who have stepped to the plate and served in two wars at that time that were very unpopular, very much like vietnam. Well, senator, you set an inspiring example for many americans, myself included. I mean, look, this isnt surprising. Donald trump is the most selfish person in Public Service in American History. And yet tonight might be the first time that i actually feel sad for donald trump, because this is just so pathetic. I mean, hes clearly sick. Hes clearly ill. And i feel sad for the american troops who are under his command as our commander in chief. This is a dangerous man who has this job. Senator kerry has explained just one reason why its dangerous. But to think that to think that Young Americans on the front lines in places like afghanistan tonight have to rely on this man to make decisions about their lives, its just a sad day for america. Jeffrey goldberg has this report inside the mind of donald trump, as it were, saying several observers told me that trump is deeply anxious about dying or being disfigured. And this worry manifests itself as disgust for those who have suffered. Bob kerry, what is your reaction to that . Well, again, i mean, im no longer worried about what you think of me, lawrence. Im actually wearing shorts right now. But it took a while to get over it. It took a while to get to a point where i didnt feel like i was upsetting people as a consequence of their seeing the disfigurement that i suffered in vietnam. To every man and woman who has been disabled, every man and woman who stepped forward and volunteered to serve, you are not losers. You are not suckers. I know many, many people who served in vietnam who felt that way because the war became unpopular. They felt like they were losers. They felt like men like donald trump who claimed they had bone spurs and got out of it that they were the smart ones. The men and women who served our country in the unpopular wars in many ways are the ones who we should respect the most. They ask for nothing but respect, and we should give it to them. Speak directly to the men and women wearing the uniforms of the army, air force, navy, marine corps because theyre the ones we ought to be concerned about, not the president and his attitude toward service. It seems that many in the military can see donald trump in the way that he can being seen tonight. We have a recent poll in military times saying 49. 9 military have an unfavorable view of donald trump. Only 38 with a favorable view of donald trump. Thats in the military times in Syracuse University poll of active duty troops. In that same poll joe biden is ahead of donald trump 41 37. What is your sense of what the troops will be thinking as this story sinks in . I mean, i hope that it opens the eyes of the 37 to really see who this man is. You know, he dodged the draft for a reason. He refused to go for a reason. And there is nothing more important in america than our values. Thats why when you swear that oath to serve in the military, you swear it to the constitution. Y you dont swear it to a political party, to a president , to any leader. You swear it to a set of values. And the willingness to put your life on the line for those values is just its the most selfless kind of service there is. Thats why i was inspired to volunteer myself, just to be a volunteer like senator kerry and so many who have gone before us. And when you undermine that, you undermine the essence of america, our fundamental values. Thats why this is so dangerous. There are a lot of commander in chiefs, commanders in chief that i have disagreed with. I served four tours under george w. Bush. I didnt vote for him twice. I was an outspoken critic of his war. But i was proud to serve. And i never once questioned the loyalty of george w. Bush, for all my disagreements with him, to our constitution. But you cant trust that. You cant trust that loyalty with donald trump. In fact, weve had it proven to us that hes disloyal. I mean, he is a traitor. Mary trump is right. Lawrence, one of the great things about america is a willingness of men and women to help each other, to serve, when there is nothing in it for them. Does donald trump think that mothers that dedicated their children are suckers because they ask for nothing in return but being a good mom. Are they suckers because they respond when there is a flood or a tornado and some devastation happens in their community . Are they losers for going out on the line because they dont get anything in return, hes not paying them . Theyre not losers. Theyre not suckers. Its what makes this country great, not selfishness, selfishness is not what makes this is a great country. I thought of you both as i was reading this story. I feel very lucky that you were able to join this discussion tonight. Couldnt thank you more for the service that you have done for this country in so many ways. Thank you both. Looking good, seth. You too, senator. 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