Transcripts For MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

Transcripts For MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20200814

Way to stay out of federal court as individual 1, where he may very well end up being a charged defendant in the first week of the biden presidency, in that Michael Cohen case. I mean, that case alone, weve spent all of this time covering all of these other investigations by the president , including like live stuff right now where we dont know the status of the investigation, like this turnberry british open. Pick a week, theres a new scandal and potential investigation of the president with real consequences. But even if you focus on that one alone, he is individual 1. And the statute of limitations is okay on that one. And the prosecutors have already laid it out in open court, his role in the crime. So yeah, that kind of feels like some days that kind of feels like thats the story. Yeah, it really is. And Michael Cohen is going to be reminding us of that big time in september, i guess. Yeah, i would guess. Yes, sir. Thanks, lawrence. Thanks, rachel. Imagine the fortunes that are going to be made on a coronavirus vaccine. Those pharmaceutical fortunes are huge. Now, consider the fortune of the person who in effect invented vaccination, introduced vaccination to america in 1721. That has to be the biggest fortune in the history of medicine, right . The pharmaceutical industry has produced many gigantic fortunes in this country, notably the fortune created by Robert Wood Johnson and his brothers in 1885 when they started the Johnson Johnson company which has produced many products that have saved lives and led to the creation of the Robert Wood Johnson foundation which has done many good deeds. And that fortune has provided for generation upon generation of some members of the class that used to be known as the idle rich. Robert wood johnson iv is now Donald Trumps ambassador to the United Kingdom where he stands accused of having improperly and perhaps illegally used his office to try to enrich donald trump personally, financially, by urging that a Golf Tournament be brought to a trump property in scotland. There have been inheritors of the Johnson Johnson fortune who worked hard throughout their lives, and there are inheritors of that fortune who have never worked a day in their lives. And those superrich people that have never worked are never looked upon with disdain. Republican members of congress and the president of the United States say that 600 a week will spoil those people who have lost their jobs because of a pandemic, but 6 million a week has never spoiled anyone if it is inherited. And what you see in that kind of thinking is the poison of the american caste system at work. The person who introduced immunizations in america was born into a caste that was not allowed to profit from his wisdom, from his genius, or even from his labor. He was a slave, owned by a minister in boston. A slave who saved lives in boston during the smallpox epidemic of 1721 when he described a procedure that he had undergone in africa before his life was stolen from him on a slave ship. Pulitzer prize winner Isabelle Wilkerson tells this story in her new book, caste the origins of our discontents. Quote, people in west africa had discovered they could fend off contagions by inoculating themselves with a specimen of fluid from an infected person. That is the knowledge that that slave brought to boston in 1721 where he saved dozens of lives because of one doctor who decided to try to that method that the slave described. 30 years later, vaccinations based on that method introduced by a slave became the Standard Practice in massachusetts and eventually the rest of the country. There is no Charitable Foundation named for that slave. His descendants were not born into lives where work was optional. The lifesaving gift he gave us did not even earn him his freedom. Isabelle wilkerson will join our discussion at the end of this hour to explain how the caste system operates to this day in all of our lives. Like Martin Luther king jr. Before her, Isabelle Wilkerson has traveled the world to study the caste system and has returned to show us more clearly than ever before how caste is permanently embedded in the foundation and unseen structural beams of this old house called america. And she tells the story in prose that is so beautiful, the only reason to pause your reading is to catch your breath. Donald trump is a beneficiary of the caste system who is trying to hold onto what people like him have always tried to hold onto. Hes trying to hold onto power. The power donald trump currently has was given to him by a minority of voters who managed to give a majority of the Electoral College and the presidency to donald trump. Donald trump is reading the same polls you are and so he knows that his voters are incapable of doing that again. So he somehow has to stop you from voting. And he knows that you are more likely to vote by mail than his voters. And thats why hes trying to block your right to vote by mail. This week, a monmouth poll found that 72 of democrats are very or somewhat likely to vote by mail compared to only 22 of republicans. If those numbers were reversed, donald trump would of course be fighting for voting by mail. Donald trump would be increasing funding for the post office to increase those trump votes by mail and make sure that they all got delivered on time. But instead, donald trump is opposing Congressional Democrats request for more funding for the post office because that funding will help deliver a more accurate vote for president. And donald trump said that very clearly today. They want 3. 5 trillion billion dollars for mailin ballots. They want 25 billion, billion, for the post office. Now, they need that money to have the post office work so they can take all these millions and millions of ballots. Now, in the meantime, they arent getting there. By the way, those are just two items. But if they dont get those two items, that means you cant have universal mailin voting because theyre not equipped to have it. After donald trump said that this morning, House Speaker nancy pelosi, appearing on morning joe, said this. The Postal Service, an allamerican institution. I heard you earlier talk about what it means in terms of connecting family. Were talking here about how it delivers medicine. And again, at the time of a pandemic, how necessary it is for us to have the mail so that the people dont have to choose between their health and their vote. They can vote absentee. And by the way, the president s family was all out in california urging absentee ballot during the special election in the spring. So this is nonetheless yet again another, shall we say, contradiction. And joe biden said this. Funding for the Postal Service, tying up funding. What do you think about that . Pure trump. He doesnt want an election. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and 174 House Democrats are now demanding that trumps postmaster general reverse operational changes he has ordered that would hamper mailin voting for the president ial election. The democrats write, the house is seriously concerned that you are implementing policies that accelerate the crisis at the Postal Service. If implemented now, as the election approaches, this policy will cause further delays to election mail that will disenfranchise voters. Leading off our discussion tonight is mark, the president of the american postal workers union. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. What is your reaction to what youre seeing the president saying about the Postal Service and the funding needs that the Service Currently faces . Thanks so much for having me on. My Immediate Reaction to todays news is that its truly shameful. And i think that people across the political spectrum who are fairminded, would agree. But at least the cats out of the bag. The president of the United States himself connected the dots, and basically said that hes willing to hold this National Treasure that belongs to all of us, the United States Postal Service, older than the country itself, serving the people in so many ways, and here we are, in a pandemic, courageously out there, as frontline essential workers, connecting the country in these challenging and dangerous times, that hes willing to hold the post office hostage, that needs covid appropriated relief due to this economic crisis, that hes willing to hold back on that in order to either keep people from voting, because the people arent going to have access to the ballot box this election. Tens of millions more people are going to have to vote by mail. Or to raise this idea that somehow vote by mail isnt going to work and your ballot isnt going to get there on time and therefore dont bother voting at all. So i think its very dangerous. Its very disturbing to postal workers who are very dedicated to the people of the country, to provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services. Thats what the law says, thats what were dedicated to. We call it our dna. Never delay mail. Were not beholden to any individual candidate or political party. Were beholden to the rights of the American People to bind the country together. And what better way to do it than provide access to the ballot box. The situation in pennsylvania is critical. The Postal Service has notified the governor of pennsylvania that the Postal Service cannot guarantee that they can deliver the ballots within the election rules of pennsylvania. And so pennsylvania is now trying to establish a rule that will allow the ballots to be counted if they arrive three days after the election day. Can someone do you believe someone will be able to mail a ballot, get it postmarked in pennsylvania on election day, and then have that ballot arrive within three days . Well, under normal conditions i think thats certainly doable. But this new postmaster general has put in some policies that are doing nothing but slowing down the mail. Our union and the people we represent in the Postal Service are adamant these are wrong policies. They need to be fixed, they need to be reversed. Weve said that loud and clear to the new postmaster general privately and publicly. But vote by mail in general is nothing new for postal workers. Weve been doing it for generations. Military personnel and their families have been voting by mail back to the civil war. Its tried and true. Its more and more popular. One in four voters in 2016 voted by mail, and virtually, despite the claims of this white house, and those who dont want people to vote, it virtually is free of fraud. So its not new. The post office can certainly handle the workload. But they have to have policies that are in place. And Congress Needs to help. And i would like to get into that if we have time. Well, for the moment lets just go with the assumption that there will be absolutely no help. The senate has left town. This congress is deadlocked. If there is no help, if this is the situation as we face the election, what would you advise voters to do . Can you guarantee that their ballots will be delivered if they mail them as early as they possibly can . As much as the postal system is tried and true, i can speak for postal workers who give ballots priority treatment, who move heaven and earth to make sure those ballots get to the jurisdiction that are counting the votes. But if nothing changes, and dont forget, the post office doesnt run elections. The states and local jurisdictions do. And theyll have to mail ballots maybe a few days more in advance and the voters are going to have to vote quickly. Also there are many states that would mail with mail voting. You get the ballot in the mail. You fill it out at home but if youre short of time, there are dropoff points. That avoids the lines. It avoids the covid problems and the safety of voting. But it can be actually dropped off in person even though the ballot comes in the mail and the person has voted at home. And that may be one alternative if people feel theres not enough time to get the ballot back through the mail. But the best thing would be the post office to make sure that its running smooth ly and that there is the support from congress to make sure the funding is there to make up for the covid economic crisis thats affecting us all, but deeply affecting the United States Postal Service. Mark dimonstein, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. We will need you to come back and help guide us through this story because this will be the story of the election every night between now and election night. Any time. Were very proud as postal workers to make sure people have their right to vote and to vote safely. Thank you. Appreciate it. 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That who has done . You have done. Yeah, go ahead, please. Please. That was the Huffington Post who later tweeted for five years i have been waiting to ask him that. Unfortunately the next reporter to Ask Donald Trump a question did donald trump a favor of completely changing the subject to the payroll tax. But what you saw there was Donald Trumps complete and utter inability to respond in any way to the accusation that he has been lying from that podium for three and a half years. Donald trump did not even deny that he has been lying for three and a half years. As high speed a liar as he is, donald trump could not come up with a lie to justify his over 20,000 lies. S. V. Date cornered donald trump with that question and left donald trump as you just saw, utterly speechless. And because weve all been waiting years for that question to be asked, its worth watching Donald Trumps brain freeze one more time in the face of that question. Please. Mr. President , for three and a half years, do you regret at all, all the lying you have done to the American People . All the what . All the lying. All the dishonesties. That who has done . You have done. Tens of thousands yeah. Go ahead, please. Please. Joining our discussion now, the president and ceo of voto latino. And professor eddie glaude, the chair of the africanamerican studies department at Princeton University and the author of the brilliant new book. Begin again James Baldwin

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