Dane county 72 of them. Dane county has said they will continue the stayathome order, madison is the big city in dane county, the mayor of madison, wisconsin is going to join us in this hour. So well find out what she says is going to happen there tomorrow in her city and her county. We dont know yet. Its going to be an interesting situation. A lot of people around the country including michigan are watching to see how this plays out. It doesnt seem like the best thing for Public Health but we shall see, lawrence. Thank you very much. All right. Donald trump who will never buy or ride in an electric vehicle that is not a golf cart is now a big fan of elon musk because elon musk called californias government quote factious that closed his manufacturing plant in california. He knows as much as viruses as donald trump predicted there would be zero cases of coronavirus in the United States by the end of april. April. The month that turned out to be the deadliest month in our lifetimes. This week, elon musk decided to defy californias stayathome order and forced his workers to come back to work at his tesla plant under threats of possibly losing some of their benefits and possibly losing their eligibility to collect unemployment benefits. The New York Times reports tonight that tesla is now negotiating with county officials about how to compile with new safety regulations as the plant resumes production. None of what elon musk has done is typical of what businesses in california have been doing under these stayathome orders. The people of california and california businesses have been very supportive of governor Gavin Newsoms approach to contain the coronavirus and well be joined later in this hour by the person who Governor Newsom appointed to a new task force to find the safest way for california businesses to reopen. He was a very successful businessman himself, now concentrating on climate issues and you will recognize him from the debate stage as former president ial candidate tom steyer. He will join us later in this hour with his plan to keep the coronavirus contained as california gradually reopens and if he has one, his plan to contain elon musk. And so we are once again back to where it all began with the Trump Administration lying about the numbers. That was the first order of business for the first Trump White House press secretary who was ordered to lie about the number of people who showed up for Donald Trumps inauguration. Donald trump couldnt bear the shame of drawing a much smaller crowd than the inaugurations of president obama so the solution of donald trump with numbers he doesnt like whether they be associated with measurements of his wealth or his income or his crowd size or his i. Q. Score, the trump solution is always to simply lie. The daily beast reports President Trump and members of his Coronavirus Task force are pushing officials at the centers for Disease Control and prevention to change how the agency works with states to count coronavirus related deaths and theyre pushing for revisions that could lead to far fewer deaths being counted than originally reported according to five Administration Officials working on the governments response to the pandemic. Lying about his nonexistent billions of dollars or crowd sizes, thats one thing. Lying about these deaths is Something Else entirely. As of tonight, the United States now has 1,397,416 confirmed cases of coronavirus. In his Senate Testimony yesterday, dr. Anthony fauci agreed with senator Bernie Sanders the real number is significantly higher because we have only tested about 2 of the american population. When senator sanders suggested that the real number could be 50 higher, dr. Fauci did not disagree. Most of us feel that the number of deaths are likely higher than that number because given the situation particularly in new york city, when they were really strapped with a very serious challenge to their Health Care System that there may have been people who died at home who did have covid who were not counted as covid because they never really got to the hospital. And so as of tonight, the United States has suffered 84,506 reported deaths from coronavirus and now, donald trump wants to deny that number. The modelling that has so far proved relatively accurate on the Coronavirus Spread in the United States says that on august 27th, the day donald trump is scheduled to be officially renominated as the republican partys candidate for president , the United States of america will have double, double the number of deaths from coronavirus than it has tonight. On Donald Trumps renomination day, the model now projects that we will have about 160,000 confirmed deaths from coronavirus and we can be guaranteed in Donald Trumps acceptance speech that night that number will be ignored or lied about. Donald trump has lied about deaths before. The biggest lie donald trump told as a president ial candidate is that he lost hundreds of friends on 9 11. How did he keep us safe when the World Trade Center the world excuse me. I lost hundreds of friends. When donald trump said that in the South Carolina debate, i immediately tweeted he was lying. The next day donald trump changed the hundreds of friends to many, many friends. He said he lost many friends on 9 11 and i immediately tweeted that was also a lie. The truth is that donald trump lost zero friends on 9 11, zero. He did not attend a single 9 11 funeral, not one. What he was trying to do for his political gain was to steal the grief of thousands of people who lost family members who loved ones and friends on 9 11. Donald trump was trying to steal their grief and make it his own and turn it into political currency. And that same donald trump is now trying to steal the grief of the thousands of American Families who have lost a loved one to coronavirus, the thousands upon thousands of americans who lost a friend to coronavirus. Donald trump wants to steal their grief and make it disappear just throw it away, just pretend that that grief and those deaths do not exist. It is impossible for donald trump to dishonor the american dead in this pandemic more than denying the truth of their deaths, to pretend their deaths did not happen as to pretend their lives did not happen, it is to pretend that their lives did not end in a previously inconceivable way, in a hospital bed alone in a room, no family allowed, no hand holding at the bedside on that final day, in that final moment and then no funeral, no Memorial Service of any kind where the grieving could gather, where they could wrap their arms around each other to try to contain that grief. Donald trump is going to dishonor all of that. They believed they mapped the extent of the depravity of donald trump but theres always more, always. Now that Donald Trumps reelection plan is to lie about the number of deaths from coronavirus, donald trump knows that he is going to have to publicly disagree with the governments leading expert on the coronavirus dr. Anthony fauci and so today, donald trump decided to do that more forcefully than he has in the past. Donald trump using absolutely zero Scientific Authority or intelligence, today tried to contradict this statement that dr. Fauci made yesterday in his Senate Testimony about reopening schools. The idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. Even at the top speed were going, we dont see a vaccine playing in the ability of individuals to get back to school this term. What they really want is to know if they are safe, and thats the question that will have to be do with what we discussed earlier about testing. Here is what donald trump had to say about that. I was surprised by his answer, actually, because, you know, its just to me its not an acceptable answer, especially when it comes to schools. The only thing that would be acceptable is professors, teachers, et cetera, over a certain age should take it easy for another few weeks, four weeks, five weeks, who knows, whatever it might be. Not an acceptable answer. That the from the person who said this country was going to go from 15 cases of coronavirus straight down to zero in response to a reporters question. Not an acceptable answer. Thats from the person who america and the world and history must never forget said this. And then i see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do Something Like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. Youre going to have to use medical doctors. It sounds interesting to me. Leading off our discussion tonight, ron klain, he served as chief of the Ebola Task Force during the Obama Administration and dr. Co, the former assistant secretary for health in the Obama Administration and a professor at the Harvard School of publishing health. I want to get your reaction to the Trump Administration trying to force the cdc to recalculate the number of dead from coronavirus. Well, as a physician and a scientist and former assistant secretary for health. I find these developments very disturbing. We need the best science and the best data and the best information possible to guide us into the future. Everybody knows that the number of cases and the number of deaths right now are an estimate. Everybody agrees that theyre under counted actually. We havent had accurate numbers on the cases because the testing has been slow to ramp up. As dr. Fauci mentioned, the number of deaths have been under counted, as well, because there are people who have died at home without testing, died in Nursing Homes without testing, so these are issues of data and science that are critically important to address right now we are wrestling with how to reopen schools and businesses Going Forward and in the fall, we may yet have another wave of covid with seasonal flu. Right now, data and science and facts are critically important that got us into the future. Ron klain, here is the president trying to get the number of dead to change to be pushed down. Obviously, he is intent on lying about it from this point forward and at the same time, suppressing cdc guidelines about how to manage different avenues of reopening and what thresholds you need to meet for example to reopen a school or to reopen a business, they dont want any of those guidelines going out because theyre stricter than donald trump wants. Yeah, i mean, donald trump is launched a war on the facts. Hes launched a war on dr. Fauci. I wish he was fighting as hard against this virus. Tens of thousands of the 80 thousand deaths are unnecessary due to the administrations bundling of this and the more they try to sweep it under the rug and deny the existence of the virus and deny the extent and consequences, theless likely they are to get the response Going Forward. Thats how we got into this mess in the first place. The president spent january and february denying this was a problem and were behind. He wants to downgrade the problem so it wont ramp up. Things we need to do remain the same, lawrence. Whether the president admits or denies. We need testing ramped up, we need Contact Tracing ramped up. We need to accelerate vaccines. The president can lie about facts all they want. People are feeling this in their lives and there is one final fact the government is being honest about, 35 million americans lost their jobs because of the bundled response here and that fact isnt going to go away and americans know if theyre employed or not, it would be hard for the president to spin that. I want to get your reaction to what, basically, this dispute between Anthony Fauci and donald trump and Anthony Faucis statement about reopening schools and his concerns about that and the fact that we will not have a virus when it comes time for the fall late august to im sorry, a vaccine late august to reopen schools with the benefit of a vaccine and that theyre going to have to be very, very careful steps. State schools in california announcing they will not be welcoming students back. And donald trump saying we absolutely have to reopen schools in the fall. Well, i have the great honor of working closely with dr. Fauci when is assistant secretary for health and tony is universally respected as an outstanding researcher and scientist and health expert. He has guided our country through so many Health Threats in the past whether its hiv, or zika or ebola and so in a time like this, he offers outstanding experienced, highlevel scientific advice and hes always very careful and very cautious. He served a number of president s from both sides of the aisle so at a time like this, all officials, the president and all government leaders should be listening carefully to dr. Faucis advice. Its the best science available to us as we move forward. Ron klain, how much more of this you worked with dr. Fauci in the Obama Administration. How much more of this can dr. Fauci take, the president of the United States saying dr. Faucis answers are unacceptable . Well, i think as dr. Ko noted, he served since the Regan Administration and i think hell continue to serve because he does his duty and he believes that what hes doing and its true is saving lives every day. I think that so i think he will take it. Look, he understands that this is a life or death struggle for many families and while the president trying to publicly rid rid kul him, trying to give the americans the best advice is saving lives and i dont think hell walk away from that post. I think a lot of americans will suffer needlessly because the president is doing whatever he can to suppress the truth about what tony fauci thinks to deny it and negate it. I dont think its a fight, i wish the president would do what five predecessors have done which is to take his advise as the best advice on Infectious Disease that our government has. Ron klain and dr. Howard ko, thank you both for starting off our discussion tonight, appreciate it. Thank you, lawrence. Programming note, tomorrow night at this hour we will spent a last word special joe biden with stacy adrams president ial candidate joe biden will be with us for the entire hour and the second half of our discussion we will be joined by stacy abrams working to ensure voting practices in the 2020 election which is much more of a challenge than the year of the coronavirus pandemic. It will be joe biden and stacy abrams first ever joint television appearance. And you viewers at home will have a chance to participate, go to msnbc. Com town hall to submit a question for joe biden and Stacey Abrams tomorrow night at 10 00 p. M. Here on msnbc. And up next, what is likely to be another devastatingly bad hearing for donald trump in the house of representatives will start tomorrow morning at 10 00 a. M. 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