About this name named michael flynn. Brett kavanaugh has taken up that space. And between now and december 18th were going to get all sorts of interesting filings which prosecutors will tell us how much he has cooperated. So between now and when he gets sentenced were about to learn a lot about how flynn has factored in this case. Which should be interesting in terms of understanding where mueller is his team are at. Weve now embarked most of an hour discussing the lies the members on the Senate Judiciary committee are trying to sell. Well, tonight the Senate Judiciary committee are trying to bully. They are worse an the terms that same Senate Judiciary committee offered to professor anita hill in similar circumstances 24 years ago. And theres no other word for what the chairman Chuck Grassly is trying to do to dr. Ford. It is the senates version of bullying. Senate chairman have bullying powers. And Chuck Grassly is trying to use his. Chuck grassly is desperately trying to create public rationales for what he is doing that sound reasonable. But they only sound reasonable if you know absolutely nothing about senate procedure, Senate Committee procedure and the history of Chuck Grasslys own Judiciary Committee. And most importantly Chuck Grasslys personal history. Most republican members of the senate do not understand senate procedure, in fact. In fact, democrats either. They do not understand Senate Judiciary committee procedure, really. And do not understand Senate Judiciary committee history. And only one of them knows Chuck Grasslys personal history with this subject. And that is the 87yearold republican orin hatch who sits beside Chuck Grassly in the Senate Judiciary committee now. They are the two republicans on committee who have been here tomorrow. They are the two republicans who personally bullied professor anita hill when she came before that same committee to testify against Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court because she said he had committed repeated acts of Sexual Harassment against her in the workplace and elsewhere. They are the only two republicans still sitting on that committee 27 years later. 27 years after disgracing themselves when anita hill testified to the committee. Theyre still there. Anita hills accusations against Clarence Thomas were investigated by the fbi. And at the time everyone thought that was a reasonable thing to do, it was the only thing to do. And the fbis investigation only took a couple of days. No one said we dont have time for an fbi investigation. And no one said that because no one would have believed it back then. It would have been like standing up in the senate and saying the earth was flat. Everyone in the senate knows there is no deadline for a Committee Confirmation vote and there is no deadline for a confirmation vote by it full senate. Chuck grassly is trying now to pretend there is some kind of deadline that does not allow the time for an fbi investigation that we know only takes a couple of days. And the very best witness against Chuck Grassly on this lie is Chuck Grassly. When the chairman of the Judiciary Committee and when the Ranking Member of the Judiciary Committee learned of these allegations the fbi was immediately ordered to conduct an investigation. That investigation was completed before the Senate Judiciary committee voted on friday, september 27, 1991. Chuck grassly. When the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, when Ranking Member of the Judiciary Committee learned of anita hills accusations the fbi was immediately ordered to conduct an investigation. And Chuck Grassly thought that was exactly the right thing to do back when he was a Junior Member of the Judiciary Committee. Orin hatch was on the Judiciary Committee when anita hill testified. And he could not resist pouring over the details publicly over the pornography he says anita hill told her at work. And here is what orin hatch said about the fbi investigation of anita hills accusations. Chairman biden and the Ranking Member thurman, when they heard about this the first time they immediately ordered this fbi investigation, which was a very right thing to do. Its the appropriate thing to do. They did what every other chairman and Ranking Member have done in the past. And the investigation was done and it was a good investigation. They immediately ordered this fbi investigation, which was a very right thing to do. That is kind of uniquely orin hatch verbiage. Its the appropriate thing to do. They did that. They did what every other chairman and Ranking Member have done in the past and what orin hatch said there was true. It was true then. Its true now, but orin hatch wont say it now. Now, when these two old men of the senate, orin hatch and Chuck Grassly, lie to us now they lie as if they dont know that the video still exists. They lie as if they dont know theres a congressional record of every word theyve ever spoken on the committee floor. They believed an investigation that only lasted a few days was the appropriate thing to do in response to anita hills accusations. And now theyre saying theres no reason to do that before hearing dr. Fords testimony. This means its being issued with malice. Chuck grassly wont even give her what he thought was appropriate for anita hill. Before he then abused anita hill. He personally did in that hearing. And we saw what they did to anita hill. We saw what those republican senators did to anita hill when she came into their hearing room. Dr. Ford says Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her, tried to rape her, she believes. Brett kavanaugh says nothing like that ever happened. One of them, one of those two people wants the fbi to investigate and the other one doesnt. Why isnt Brett Kavanaugh demanding an fbi investigation . Why . Why not . Why doesnt Brett Kavanaugh want to submit to the best professional investigators we have, and why does dr. Ford want to submit to an investigation by the fbi . Why does she want to do that . And why do the republicans on the senate want to save Brett Kavanaugh from ever facing an fbi question about this . Every reason that they give is a lie every single reason. You just saw orin hatch say its the appropriate thing to do. You saw Chuck Grassly say that that is exactly what was done when the Judiciary Committee learned about anita hills accusations against Clarence Thomas. The republicans on the Senate Judiciary committee and all of the republicans in the senate, all of them, every one of them, every single one of them is now lying about not needing an fbi investigation. That is a lie that every single republican in the United States senate has now agreed to tell. Why should dr. Ford accept worse conditions issued to her with malice for her Senate Testimony than what the very same Committee Gave to anita hill . Chuck grassly is pretending that he has given dr. Ford options, the option to testify privately, which is not something shes requested or the option to testify publicly. But the option she wants is more time because she and her family have essentially become fugitives trying to avoid the glare of this story and the Death Threats that come with it. And she wants what anita hill got. She wants an fbi investigation. She wants a basic decent approach to this subject first by the fbi. Chuck grassly wont do that. Chuck grassly says no fbi investigation. And the only possible time on the calender that exists for this is monday at 10 00 a. M. No other time is possible. And in his bullying letter today to dr. Fords letters Chuck Grassly demanded something even more impossible to comply with, even more bullying under these circumstances than the monday 10 00 a. M. Appointment in washington 2,500 miles away from her home. In the last line of Chuck Grasslys letter to dr. Fords lawyers, Chuck Grassly says dr. Fords prepared testimony and biography are due to the committee by 10 00 a. M. On friday, september 21st, if she intends to testify on monday. Chuck grassly is demanded dr. Fords full written testimony by 10 00 a. M. On friday of this week so that he and the Committee Members can have it all weekend and of course start leaking it at 10 00 a. M. On friday morning. Chuck grassly didnt expect to be here. Even when the accusations first became public, he was still sure he was going to be able to hold a vote on this nomination tomorrow. Chuck grassly began this week along the rest of the Senate Republicans believing they were going to have a vote on this nomination tomorrow. They believed they would not have to delay anything, and they were wrong. They were wrong about what was going to happen next. Chuck grassly now thinks he knows whats going to happen next. But Chuck Grassly has misjudged the strength of dr. Christine blasey ford every step along the way to where we are now. And so we know now how strong and how smart dr. Ford is in the way she has handled herself this week and dealt with this committee her very first week of public life in america. But heres what we dont know. How stupid is the American News media . This is one of those times we have to ask that question. And i dont mean fox news. I mean reporters and media organizations who should know better. How many of them will stick their m microphones out there an let him tell any lie . They cant rush to the building and tell those senators how they people. It is the Washington Press corp now that has a job to do and its an important job and only they can do it. And that job is not to simply facilitate and pass along the outright lies of Chuck Grassly and orin hatch and now all of the republican senators who are all lying about the fact that theres no time for an fbi investigation. The news medias job now is to penetrate and expose that lie. That is a lie. And any member of the news media who accepts that lie unchallenged by any republican member of the senate is complicit in that lie. The chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee is on his way to committing a crime against the truth in his committee. And im no longer sure that Chuck Grassly even knows that. Im no longer sure Chuck Grassly remembers any word he said, and on that Committee Chuck congressly was reasonable if cantankerous, but i never doubted Chuck Grasslys integrity and his work on the finance committee at that time. But i am sorry to say Chuck Grassly has stayed in the senate way too long. Listen. Listen to this. Listen to the very first words that Chuck Grassly, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee spoke today when he was asked why he opposed an fbi investigation this time. Just so you guys and gals all understand maybe i better say men and women. Yes, senator grassly, its 2018. We call them women now. Joining our discussion now is christine, the executive Vice President of the leadership conference. And lisa graves, a former chief counsel for nominations for the Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary committee on the democratic side. She was Deputy Assistant attorney general in the department of justice. And christine, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Lisa has been with us before, and it is just the time when we need the expertise of former staffers on the Senate Judiciary committee to guide us through where we are now. And i want to get your reaction to the republicans on this committee all now including jeff flake who seem to be sounding reasonable earlier in the week holding onto this position theres absolutely no time for an fbi investigation. Lawrence, i think youre right. I think its absurd. And as you said at the contrast, as bad as anita hill was treated by the Senate Judiciary committee in 1991 dr. Blasey ford is being treated even worse by senator grassly. She asked that the fbi do its investigation first. And the tapes that you just ran show that senator grassly and senator hatch both talked about that being a longstanding precedent, that being the obvious first step and exactly what needs to happen next. Regardless Chuck Grassly is denying dr. Blasey ford that, and apparently the administration is denying it as well. And i think that will cause a lot of people to wonder why. Why dont they want the fbi to go out and investigate these claims sphdr. Blasey ford wants to investigate it. But the second thing that chairman grassly is doing to treat her even worse than anita hill is he is saying that only two people can testify. Only dr. Blasey ford and Brett Kavanaugh. That is worse treatment than anita hill received. There were outside witnesses that she was able to call that corroborated her account. That are not allowing dr. Ford to do the same thing, which really shows what are they hiding . It really causes that to come into light, that, you know, as bad as anita hill was treated, that theyre doing even worse to dr. Blasey ford, and the question is why. What are they hiding . I want to read dr. Fords lawyers response to senator grassly tonight. Issued a statement saying the committees stated plan to move forward a hearing that has only two witnesses is not a fair or good faith investigation. There are multiple witnesses whose names have appeared publicly and should be included in proceeding. The rush to a hearing is unnecessary and contrary to a committee discovering is truth. And lisa, as christine just said and a point ive made, they are offering dr. Ford much worse terms, much worse circumstance than they offered anita hill. And we know how badly the anita hill hearing went, and you would think that this committee had learned something from that, but it seems like what they learned from it was dont even be as fair to the witness as we were to anita hill. Well, its really shocking as christine said and as youve pointed out, theyve concocted some idea that its unprecedented to seek fbi, a followon set of work by the fbi, supplemental investigation to examine this when their own words reveal how false those statements are. And the department of justice is complicit in echoing them, that this is somehow outside the purview of the background investigation. Christine and i between us have read hundreds of fbi files. We know this is not how the process works. The American People are being lied to by senator grassly about this process. And i was shocked to hear him say this was some sort of separation of powers issue. The fact is theres never been a time in which a Ranking Member and chairman have not agreed to request information in circumstances like this where further investigation is obviously necessary. And lord knows that Brett Kavanaugh has time on his hands. He spent the last three days ensconced at the white house doing murder board basically to try to figure out what hes going to say, what level of umbrage hes going to take, how hes going to answer questions about something he claims not to know about. He could have been interviewed already. But the chairman is seemingly standing in the way of that precedent and lying to the American People about this and presumably to that committee. Whats unprecedented is to have this matter not go back to the fbi for further investigation by people who are professionals and know how to do just that. And christine, were now seeing in effect jeff flake and Susan Collins gang up on dr. Ford saying, well, of course she should show up on monday at 10 00 a. M. As if theres absolutely no other space on the calendar for this. Yeah, its absurd that this would have to happen next monday. What would happen in the normal course of a bipartisan process is that the chair and ranking would work with the witnesses to make sure that they could make it. What i found surprising this week is you had chairman grassly announce that she was coming when we now know that there was no agreement, there was no back and forth discussion with her to accommodate this survivor of Sexual Assault. So it just seems like a completely different process than lisa or i were involved in when we worked on the committee. And one other point id like to make. You mentioned your experience, lawrence, when senator grassly was on the finance committee when you were there. My experience with senator grassly when i was on the finance committee is he was really independent, he was principled, he kept his word, and also he likes to really protect whistle blowers. What i am surprised about here is how he is treating what i consider to be a whistleblower, which is dr. Blasey ford, risking everything to come forward and tell her story. And hes not treating her with the same accord that i saw him treat whistleblowers over the years i worked in the committee. Its surprise to me because i have seen him over the years be very protective of the confidentiality or need for protection of whistleblowers who are risking their careers and privacy to come forward to inform the committee. Lisa, i want to get your reaction about that and your personal view of both senators grassly and hatch. And i want to throw in parentheses here, i have to say it was a very good working relationship. They were on the other side of almost all the issues, but they were responsible and everyone thought they were solid, responsible republicans on that side of the table. And we never had the slightest reason to question their integrity about anything. Its a very different environment and intentions. So it disappointments me greatly to be saying these things about either one of them and to be saying it about both of them bothers me a lot. Having observed them up close, what i can tell you is whatever solicitousness they display in trying to reach a compromise in legislation, on the issue of judicial nominations theyve adopted an extremely hard line. That hard line has basically either forced them to break rule after rule after rule in order to force these judges out of the court. The lower court level and now for the Supreme Court vacancy. When it comes to the judicial appointments process no rule is allowed to stand in their way. No history, no precedent, no practice. And theres some irony there, where you have a person being chosen in violation of almost every norm and practice of the senate and Senate Judiciary committee. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you. And when we come back, the president attacked his attorney general again today. And Cecil Richards will join us with her experience testifying to hostile republicans in congress and what that means for dr. Christine blasey ford. And later more on the investigation that Brett Kavanaugh and his republican supporters seem to be so very, very afraid of. At ally, we offer lowcost trades and highyield savings. But if thats not enough, we offer innovative investing tools to prepare you for the future. Looks like you hooked it. 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You decide. Three classmates of mine at Georgetown Prep were graduates of this law school in 1990 and are reel, really good friends of mine, and they were good friends of mine then and are still good friends of mine as recently as this weekend when we were all on email together. And fortunately we had a good saying which the dean was reminding me of before the talk which is what happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep. Thats been a good thing for all of us. And that was not in the speech he gave to the commit aerobic with what happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep. Thats been a good thing for all of us. Tweeted this, any woman has been called before a republican led panel knows its not about fact finding. Its political theater massacre aiding as a search for the truth. You more than most people know what dr. Ford is in for if she does raise her right hand and testify to this committee. What would you be telling dr. Ford tonight whats coming . I think she is fully aware. I think this is woman obviously thinking about what she does. And i have respect for her and how she handles herself. I know just in the four hours i spent before a Republican Committee it was not a fact finding hearing or an effort to get to the truth. It was actually an opportunity for members of congress to preen and strut before the tv audience. And frankly to try to humiliate me and other women who have come before them. Thats the dynamic, and i think the irony theyre refusing to the fbi to investigate this matter makes it even more suspicious to me. I think what theyre trying to do is setup political theater, and shes very smart to be careful how she goes about this. And i want to read you something that dean heller, republican senator from nevada, said today on a Conference Call thats been reported. A Conference Call. And this is certainly an inside look how the men certainly on the Republican Senate see this. He said weve got a little hiccup here with the kavanaugh nomination, well get through this and well get off to the races. So for him its a little hiccup. No, exactly. She would be coming before a committee that included senator lindsey graham, who has called this a driveby shooting. We certainly have heard from senator hatch who thinks somehow shes just mixed up. So its not that shes coming before a group of people who are impartial who actually want to get to the truth. If they wanted to get to the truth theyd let the fbi investigate this as shes asked. But instead theyre trying to jam this nomination through as weve seen. And as many people have talked about there is no rush to do this. The only rush is their political rush. And when you look at garland who of course was nominated and spent 300 days trying to keep from entertaining his nomination. So i think this is a committee that is already stacked against her politically, and they are looking to jam her, to bully her. And i think shes wise to be really smart and thoughtful how she goes through this process. I mean, to say we have to have you here on monday 10 00 a. M. , but oh, by the way, make sure you have your whole written statement for us friday at 10 00 a. M. Is to say we dont want your best testimony, we dont want you prepared, we dont want you rested, we dont want you to get outside the bubble of madness youve been captured in the glare of this story since it became public. And theres Susan Collins encouraging all of this. Susan collins is encouraging all of Chuck Grasslys bullying here. Its been very discouraging to see what senators have said and treating her with suspicion as opposed to someone whos actually trying coming forward and doing her civic duty to talk about someone whos been nominated not just for a normal judgeship but for a lifetime seat to the Supreme Court. Women are paying attention, and if anyone on that committee thinks that women arent noticing this, they should just wait until november 6th, because women are upset. Theyre sick of seeing women bullied and women not being treated with fairness and listening to our stories. So i hope the republicans on this committee are eely, really thinking carefully about how they treat this woman. Thank you very much. Thanks a lot. And when we come back, more on the fbi investigation and why Brett Kavanaugh is afraid, apparently, of talking to fbi agents because lying to fbi agents is a crime. You wouldnt accept an incomplete job from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. Flonase. Start with 100 cleancheese . Ingredients. Like vermont white cheddar. Then. Add bacon, bbq chicken, or baja blend. 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Borden gray and demanded an fbi investigation and the republican white House Counsel immediately agreed, of course, that there should be an fbi investigation. The trump white House Counsel don mcgahn is now the man shepherding the kavanaugh nomination through the senate. He is at Brett Kavanaughs side every minute of it day, but don mcgahn is now c. Boyden gray. Donald trump doesnt know what an fbi investigation is so we still dont have an fbi investigation. Well, it would seem that the fbi doesnt really do that. Theyve investigated they would if you asked them to, mr. President. Theyve investigated about six times before and it seems they dont do that. Would you consider asking them well, i would let the senators take their course. Theyre doing a good job. And its really its up to the senate and i really rely on them. I think theyre going to do a good job. No, its not up to the senate. An fbi investigation of a possible rape attempt, in this case, is actually up to the selfconfessed Sexual Assaulter who is currently the president of the United States. Joining our discussion now Jill Winebanks and also joining us joyce vance, a former u. S. Attorney for the Northern District of alabama and professor at the university of alabama school. Both are msnbc contributors. Jill, you have a situation, two people in a room in high school talking about what happened in that room one says he tried to rape me, and the other one says nothing like that ever happen. But only one of them wants an fbi investigation. What does that tell us about these two peoples approach to finding the truth now . It says a lot about it. What it says is one of them knows that the facts will support her and the other one is afraid what the investigation will show. Otherwise, both of them would be asking for the investigation, and there were three people in the room not just two. And all three need to testify. Although, right now the investigation in front of the senate is a hoax and a sham. It is totally unfair. It is structured with the senators already having said, well, shes mixed up. I dont believe it happened. Thats not how we should be going into a hearing. It needs to be a full and fair hearing. It is a not a he saidshe said. It is not two witnesses. It is all the witnesses the fbi can find through a thorough investigation before the hearing starts. Thats what we need. Thats what justice demands. Thats what truth demands. Its what respect for women demand. And women will be watching and listening and vote in accordance with what the senate does now. Lets once again let orin hatch of 1991 prove to you tonight that the orin hatch of today is lying about there being no time for an fbi investigation. Im not going to be happy with just an ethics investigation. I dont think anybody is. I want you to order an fbi investigation. I want an investigation by real appropriate nonsenate staffers. I want some people who arent affiliated with the senate to look into this matter because i think thats the only way we even have the slightest chance anyway of getting to the baultm of it. And voice swrans, today, Chuck Grassly saying no, no, no the Republican Committee staffers are the best investigators for this. Well, he certainly made the right case for it way back when. Theres no doubt that the fbi, the professionals conducting background investigations have rule play here, and keeping them from playing that rule has in many ways obstructed the investigation. And keeping the senate from having critical information that they need to fulfill their constitutional duty. The fbi does this quickly. Everybody whos worked for the Justice Department has seen a rush come through an a judicial confirmation investigation. They can do it expeditiously. It wont delay unnecessarily. And at the same time it will give dr. Ford the time that she needs and the time that she deserves, quite honestly, as a nonlawyer whos never testified on the hill before to prepare her testimony, to understand the process and to appear so she along with every other witness and all of the information that the fbi uncovers can be presented to centers. And jill, there were two reasons why the Bush White House ordered the fbi to investigate anita hills accusations. One was they actually had some confidence in their nominee, in that their nominee was telling it truth. And the other was they couldnt possibly expect the public to allow this confirmation to go forward or the senate to go forward without an additional fbi investigation. I think thats true. But in this day of alternative facts, which are really lies there is no such thing thats whats happened. And they now think in the white house that they can get away with this. And that would be an outrage. We need to have the investigation. It is something that is so much deserved, and we cannot let her be more abused. I remember the anita hill hearings. And Rachel Maddow played the tape of the hearings recently last night i think, and its appalling. Its totally appalling. And if we want to have some independent source do the investigation, i recently served on a Pentagon Committee look at Sexual Assault in the military. We have an entire system to look at assault allegations Sexual Assault allegations. The military lawyers and investigators are very well prepared to do this kind of investigation as an independent source. And they should be called upon. Well, lying to the fbi is a crime. Dr. Ford knows that, Brett Kavanaugh knows that. One of them is not afraid to the talk to the fbi, and only one of them. Jill winebanks, joyce vance, thanks for joining the discussion. 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Today the president basically said hes going to fire his attorney general after the midterm elections and then rush a new attorney general through the confirmation process before the democrats take over the senate in january if the democrats win the senate in the midterm elections. Okay, he didnt use exactly those words. Im disappointed in the attorney general for many reasons, and you understand that. Are you going to fire Jeff Sessions . We are looking at lots of different things. Joining our discussion now, jill banks and joyce spence who are back with us. Joyce, and john weaver who is a republican strategist tweeted and said Jeff Sessions definitely fired after the november 6 elections. Its an incredible irony that the president s first reporter has fallen from grace. There is no disguising whats at work here. The president has never appreciated the fact that sessions recused from the russia investigation wanted a lawyer who would protect him, more of a concigliary than an attorney general. And thats not what he has. And this means bob mueller will be pushed aside and be taken over by the attorney general that comes in there. Assuming he would be, that has nothing to do with the campaign and nothing to do with the russians. There is no question that Jeff Sessions was legally required to recuse himself. What the president wants is he wants his old lawyer cohen, who was a fixer, to be the lawyer at the department of justice. And that is a total misunderstanding of what the role of the attorney general is. And i think thats its a shame for america that we cant count on the department of justice for justice, for unbiased, lined justice. And joyce, Robert Mueller has to see this coming as of tonight if not sooner. What precautions can he take with his investigation, assuming he will be effectively relieved from duty after Jeff Sessions is fired . The Mueller Investigation wont end if Robert Mueller is fired. He is very carefully planted, he and Deputy Attorney general rod rosenstein, tentacles for this investigation in attorneys offices. Weve seen prosecutors in Central District of new york, weve seen cases in the district of columbia. There are other offices that might conceivably have jurisdiction. The reality is once an investigation is commenced, prosecutors and agents just dont give up on it. Theyll continue moving forward. This case will continue. Mueller could even possibly have indictments under seal that would be launched when appropriate after he left, so there is very little the administration can do to shut it down just by naming a new attorney general. Jill, i know this is something you worry about as watergate prosecutors. What happens if president nixon fires the whole group . But it doesnt seem like there is much you can do in anticipation of that. Well, there is, actually, a lot that can be done, but theres one major step which is that the grand jury that is now hearing the evidence has Inherent Authority to issue a report, and that the chief judge of the district of Columbia Court can order the jury to continue its investigation and can allow it to reveal the evidence. It would be, in effect, a roadmap to impeachment which is what we had in the watergate case where we named the president an unindicted coconspirator and gave the evidence to the house Judiciary Committee. But this could go public, and thats one very good way of going ahead with it. I continue to learn something every time i shut up and listen to the last word legal team. Thank you for joining us tonight. Tonights last word is next. Hungry eyes one look at you and i cant disguise ive got hungry eyes applebees new 3course meal starting at 11. 99. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. 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Following an accusation of Sexual Assault, Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh visited the white house today for the second day in a row. Its the first time an accused Sexual Assaulter has gotten in the white house without the electoral college. Seth meyers gets tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. Tonight republicans appear to be going ahead with a vote on kavanaugh even if they dont kavanaugh even if they dont hear from his accuser, dr. Christine blasey ford. She wants an fbi investigation first. Her attorney now wants more witnesses to take part in a senate hearing. Meanwhile, as dr. Ford says shes received threats to her life as her public testimony hangs in the balance, the president says its very hard for him to imagine anything happening between Brett Kavanaugh and his accuser. And trump said its very sad he doesnt have an attorney general. Though we checked, and as of air time Jeff Sessions is still in office as the 11th hour gets underway on a wednesday night. Well, good evening