Is. Now its time for the last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening, lawrence. Such a small world, rachel, such a small world. Millions of americans have told pollsters the possibility of a Trump Presidency skashz them. There are new polls tonight that just might terrify them. And in breaking Campaign News tonight, a former republican governor says he would like to run for Vice President. A new National Poll shows trump leading Hillary Clinton by three points. Put an exclamation point. Trump released a formal list of 11 court nominees. Can we trust trump to stick with it . I am happily volunteering my services for mr. Trump. L. The guy has a channel pin see level understanding of National Security policy. Said sure a President Trump would sit down with north koreas kim jongun. Meeting today with Henry Kissinger. One stupid reckless thing after another. Ooh, okay, excuse me. Lets hope we get back to people running that actually understand policy and can read a book. I would love to sit down and read a book but i dont have the time anymore. Before we will have the opportunity to defeat donald trump were going to have to defeat secretary clinton. Sanders defiant. State after state the people have stood up and helped defeat the establishment. There is a way to deal with frustration over process. She has been working against Bernie Sanders. Theres no doubt about it. People are not going to just sit back and accept business as usual. Well take our fight into the convention. According to the latest National Poll, america is now closer to a Trump Presidency than it has ever been. After the Clinton Campaign squeaked out a onepoint victory in kentucky then lost to Bernie Sanders by 12 points in oregon, the Clinton Campaign is staring at shocking new poll that shows donald trump ahead of Hillary Clinton. The fox poll released tonight shows donald trump at 45 and Hillary Clinton at 42 with a threepoint margin of error. That poll is a statistical tie. Its a reversal of fortune for Hillary Clinton from the last fox news poll which showed her at 48 and donald trump at 41 . In tonights fox news poll, donald trump still trails Bernie Sanders as he always has with Bernie Sanders at 46 and donald trump at 4042 . If the fox news poll results are duplicated by other reputable polls, the Clinton Campaign will be in full on crisis mode because Hillary Clinton as a and can dpat has never been able to reverse a polling trend. Hillary clinton polled at 56 with her opponent polling at 23 . On election day, Hillary Clinton won with 55 of the vote and rick lazio had gained 20 points to 43 of the vote. In other words, over a year of campaigning and 30 million spent it did not change the minds of more new york voters in favor of Hillary Clinton. She held on to her large lead as her opponent narrowed that lead. In her Second Senate campaign, clinton polled at 67 a year before election and on the Election Night she won 67 of the vote against a totally unknown republican named john spencer. A year of campaigning then and 36 million spent did not turn any more voters in favor of Hillary Clinton. In the fall of 2007, senator Hillary Clinton was polling 33 points ahead of senator barack obama in the abc News Washington post poll of the democratic president ial campaign. Senator clintons poll numbers look straight down from there for months and by the beginning of january Hillary Clinton had a fivepoint need that abc poll by the end of january she was tied with barack obama in a cbs poll, then during february clinton and obama traded leads in the polls until late february when barack obama opened a small lead over Hillary Clinton which then became a double digit lead, a lead that rose above 20 points in some polls toward the end of the primary season. The polling history of Hillary Clinton indicates that she needs an enormous lead in the polls in order to hang on and win in the end. And 2008 showed that a 33point lead wasnt enormous enough against barack obama. Tonights fox news poll is just one poll, im going to say that again. Just one poll, but the fox news poll historically does conform to the basic findings of other major polls. If if the fox news poll is an accurate snapshot of the electorate at this time it contained some devastating internal information for the Clinton Campaign. On the question of are the candidates honest and trustworthy, Hillary Clinton actually does worse than donald trump. 66 of voters say Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy. 57 say donald trump is not honest and trustworthy. Two years ago, before she was officially a president ial and can date in that same fox news poll, 54 of voters said Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy. Only 42 said she was not honest and trustworthy. And in tonights fox news poll this is the first time that donald trump doesnt have the highest unfavorability rating. In tonights poll, 61 have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton and 56 have an unfavorable view of donald trump. Earlier today, another disturbing poll result for the Clinton Campaign. This one from the state of New Hampshire which barack obama won by 10 points in 2008 and six points in 2012. A wbur poll of New Hampshire voters shows Hillary Clinton at 44 and donald trump at 42 which is a statistical tie within the margin of error. In that same poll, Bernie Sanders, who won the New Hampshire primary, beats donald trump by 16 points. 5438. Four years ago at this time, president obama held a 12point lead over mitt romney in New Hampshire. The president then went on to win New Hampshire by six points. Joining us now, michael steele, former Republican Party chairman and msnbc political analyst. Peter waner, senior fellow at the ethics and Public Policy center, he worked in the Ronald Reagan, george w. Bush and george h. W. Bush administrations, also the president of hart research, a Public Opinion research firm, an advisor for priorities usa, the super pac supporting Hillary Clinton. Jeff guerin, what do you make of tonights fox news poll . Well, weve said for a while now, for a couple of weeks, that this is going to be a close and competitive election. We werent saying that as spin. Its because thats what our polls were showing us then and there is something structural about this race that makes it close and competitive. In some ways its a good thing that people are seeing this now. It tells democrats very loudly that theyll have to defeat donald trump in november and the other thing it does is you were eluding to at the beginning is that americans are going to have to start reckoning with the reality that donald trump could be president and start to think very seriously about the consequences of that. As time goes on and people think more and more about those consequences he will be a more difficult choice for voters to accept. Michael steele, again, just the parentheses, its just one poll. Right. Right. But when you look at the way the polls charted in 2007 and Hillary Clintons last president ial campaign, just one poll became many poles. If this is a trend, if we see three of these, what does this mean to washingtons reception of donald trump . How does that change paul ryans calculations and others in washington. I think its begun to change that calculation. I think a lot of internal polls being taken by super pacs and other groups out there for and against donald trump are showing this very similar trend line. I think you make the important point, does this trend line we see something nationally is going on when other polls confirm that or augment that. Thats what i think jeff and others are going to be looking at on the clinton side and certainly Paul Manafort is going to be drilling down on the gop side with donald trump but heres the rub. This is may and so im not one of these after my years of experience in politics to hang my hat on one poll or even trending polls in the months of may, june, and july. Im looking to see where we wind up postnomination, postconvention late august, certainly labor day. That window kind of gives you a trend line, to jeffs point, of how the voters settle down on this race. Its important now to get everybody geared up for whats to come. But i dont think youre going to end or run away excited when you see these polls because of what theyre saying right now. Peter waner, eight years ago in may barack obama three points ahead of john mccain. Four years ago barack obama three points ahead of mitt romney. May certainly told the story then of what was going to happen in november. Yeah, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt. Remember Walter Mondale was ahead of Ronald Reagan at points in 1984 and weve had a whole history of races where they appear to be close, not even jimmy carter a we can before with reagan was up in the gallop poll and they lost 44 states. Id say a couple of things, one is there are real structural advantages to the democratic party. Democrats are Winning National elections, they have huge demographic advantages in others so i think starting out a democrat is going to be favored against a republican. Second donald trump is a targetrich environment and they havent turned their guns on him yet. Third and this is important Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate and seems to be getting weaker. Shes weaker than 2008. I think shes mechanical and uninspiring and viewed as inauthentic as well as that poll number that you underscored which is the untrustworthy and dishonesty numbers. Shes an ethical wreck. So i think shes a weak and beatable candidate, i just think donald trump is in the end more toxic and so i dont think hes going to pull this out but well see. Its a very weird time and theres a distemper in this country politically, unlike anything ive seen and that may play to trumps advantage. Jeff garin, please address my initial point that i made about Hillary Clintons polling history. Which in her campaigns shows no ability for her to gain ground. Shes never shown an ability in her campaigns to increase support by campaigning. Well, when you started im not sure that holds when you start at 67 , theres only so far to go. No, ill grant you that on the 67. But what about the 55. Even the 55 in her first race i think thats the fact that she was able to sustain a substantial majority as a firsttime candidate and her running as a first lady in new york was controversial at the time. To me that represented an accomplishment, not a sign of political weakness and ive worked with secretary clinton. The one thing that i know about her, she is extraordinarily resilient. She rises to challenges. I think shell rise to this challenge but it is a real challenge. Let me just note one thing about the fox poll can i ask one more thing, geoff . Yes, please. Continue with the model that i was using. What about the 2008 president ial campaign where she started high, more than a 33point lead and went straight down, she never built support. Well, i think that that you know, i think, a, she was running against a phenomenal candidate in barack obama but the reality of that race is that i believe she won seven of the last nine primaries that she actually did increase support in the later primaries up until the very last one. She won in ohio, she won in texas, she won in pennsylvania. Shi actually did very well at the end of the campaign so there in terms of the pattern of the primaries she did better as the race went on, not less well. She obviously had a her greatest problems were that, you know, in the month of february and march but as april, may and april she was a very strong candidate and i think that speaks to the ril yebs she has. She was i think people admired that about her. She was down but not out and she fought fought back in a way that people admired and respected and i think that thats the Hillary Clinton americans will see. Let me make one polling note is that part of whats happening in this structurally is that donald trump has secured the republican nomination, the party has rallied around him and hes not dealing with these negative attacks any long er and for better or worse Bernie Sanders staying in the race and the way he is has a consequence. Hillary clinton is going to be the nominee and if were serious about electing her in november and i think we ought to be serious about electing her in november because the consequences are dire i think senator Bernie Sanders has an important choice to make in this regard. Can i say a couple things, lawrence . Look, i think at the end of the day she does have a problem as a president ial candidate which is the more that people see her, the more they dont like her. Thats just there. Sometimes the dog doesnt like the dog food. And i just she may be successful, i think her record is sketchy, i dont think she was successful of secretary of state and she was the author of hillarycare. But at the end of the day she is just not somebody who is an overpowering political figure. Even her own Campaign People admit that she is an awful candidat candidate. Michael steele, i want to get a quick last word from you. This is not something i understand. I see the polling numbers but i cannot see what it is in a Clinton Campaign that as peter just put it the more people see her the more they dont like. Thats what youre seeing in the track of these numbers but i dont get it. I dont know what theyre seeing. What theyre seeing is 30 years of hillary, 30 years of hillary and bill. Theyre seeing a lot of things that have accumulated and its not selling for them and it will be a hard sell this year. Lawrence, i dont think theyve seen her yet and when they do, they like her. Theyve seen her for a lot of years. 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