Transcripts For MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

Transcripts For MSNBCW The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20150113

Feverish. I might have been having an emotional blip there. Terribly sorry. I understand. Well done. Well today two Police Officers who shot and killed a homeless man were charged with murder. And the hunt for terrorists involved in last weeks massacre in paris is not over. Other suspects are still at large. Police are still hunting for possible accomplices. Police here are reportedly still searching for six additional suspects. Up to six accomplices. There are six people and there could be 60 people. One of those suspects has reportedly been linked to that woman. Who authorities believe participated in last weeks attack. Shes finally been tracked down. This is the woman that all of france has been looking for. The threat is still present. People will see more police on the streets. The survivors of the massacre are back at work. Cartoonists of charlie had he been hebdo are back at work. It was the largest crowd in the modern history of paris. I think the president himself would have liked to have the opportunity to be there. Breaking news at the defense department. Vandalism. Their youtube and twitter accounts have been hacked. Compromising social media accounts isnt the same as compromising the dotcom servers. If were going to be committed, then we need to be protected. There are reports tonight that france will begin to debate its own version of the patriot act tomorrow which could include stopping the radicalization of those in french prisons, stopping internet recruitment and wire tapping. The Associated Press is reporting today there could be as many as six members of a terrorist cell involved in the terrorist attacks who may still be at large. Nbc news has not confirmed these reports. France is deploying 10,000 soldiers to protect sensitive sites, including frances 717 jewish schools after last weeks attacks that killed 17 people including four at a kosher market. The French Defense minister said it is, quote, the first mobilization on this scale on our territory. The girlfriend of the terrorist who killed four people in the kosher market before being killed by police crossed into syria last week before the attacks occurred in paris, according to turkish officials. This video shows her at passport control in istanbul on january 2nd arriving in turkey and cell phone records indicate she crossed into syria on january 8th the day that Police Killed her boyfriend on the day kubali ate kosher market and the brothers killed including two Police Officers. The video appears to show kubali also surfaced over the weekend where he is heard declaring his allegiance to the Islamic State and said he was working with the kouachi brothers. Nbc news cannot verify under what circumstances this video was taken. Another video shows a 23yearold shercherif kouachi, in a video. Last thursday on meet the press, eric holder said this. One has to understand that it is very difficult to maintain a good contact, to stay in touch with all the people who are potentially going to do these kinds of things. That is the thing that i think keeps me up most at night, this concern about the lone wolf who goes undetected. But we are doing the best we can, martialing resources that we have. Attorney general holder was in paris yesterday for a Security Summit but did not attend sundays solidarity march for more than three dozen heads of state march. The United States was represented by the American Ambassador to france and today White House Press secretary said the administration now thinks that that was a mistake. I think its fair to say we should have sent someone with a higher profile to be there. That said, there is no doubt that the American People and this administration stand foursquare behind our allies in france as they face down this threat. Joining me now is laura hyeme, white house correspondent, and brian jenkins, terrorist expert with laura, you asked a question at the White House Briefing about the president s absence yesterday. Were you satisfied with what you heard today . I think he was brilliant in his communication by saying okay we didnt succeed, we did not realize what was going to happen, and we should have been there. He didnt say the president should have been there, which was quite interesting. He said, we should have been there. It was quite a scene in france but let me say something, it is not a big story in france today. Just the french people yesterday missed the best american friend who was president obama. Laura, let me ask you one thing, though about the imagery that comes out of it as a result of no recognizable american presence there on the front line. There is that notion out there in the world, and especially among some of these groups like the Islamic State, that the United States of america controls all this apparatus that opposes them in the world, and is there any image advantage to the United States not being so visually prominent in those images yesterday to kind of dismantle that notion that the people there, including possibly the french president , are in some sense puppets of the american president . No i dont think so. Again, i think irans question for the french people was quite emotional. And we hope last night on french tv and we got many reports this morning on french tv why president obama was not there. They did not want john kerry, they did not want eric holder they did not want the u. S. Ambassador from france. They just wanted the people in the streets, barack obama on the front line. He wasnt there, that was a question. He didnt come. Was it about the sequence of it the security or whatever . And then now the situation, hes moving to another level. What is going to happen next . Brian jenkins quickly on this security issue for the president. Talk about security challenges facing the white house and the secret service on a sudden trip like this to france to be exposed out there, as we saw they all were yesterday. And especially at this time where we know the Current Operations of the secret service have not been as effective as weve all expected them to be. Oh i dont know what the story is here honestly i dont know that with security considerations or other factors. Sometimes these things occur. Sometimes people just make wrong decisions as the white house spokesman said and i think sometimes we try to read a great deal into it. I myself, i dont know why. The security of the president is always a challenge, but the president moves through public areas, whether it be a much more difficult thing in paris, it would be a challenge, but they would be up to it. Laura, tell us about this new legislation thats pending now that will be debated in france that is essentially their version of what we called our patriot act. Yes, the huge star in france. Can you believe the french people talking about patriot arts . Are they using that phrase patriot act . Theyre using this expression, and in the past 10 hours, i had to do reports about is it going to be a patriot act in france . Whats the patriot act in america . People are extremely interested by the notion of the patriot act. Today at the National Parliament the french Prime Minister is going to introduce something about that. And already today there was a kind of mission involving the Prime Minister involving opponents of the Prime Minister to speak about how we can protect ourselves better. And it was really fascinating because theyre talking about how to go to prison and avoid the radicalization of being muslim in prison. Theyre talking about being under webz. We are going to restrict some freedom that the french have. Its fascinating. Brian jenkins, to what weve seen in paris, is this the new form of terrorism that we should be alert for that where it seems to be not necessarily lone wolves, but people who are on a very, very long leash of sometimes years since theyve been in training or in very Close Association with a particular group. I dont think its particularly new. Weve seen a tax that have had this form, that is armed shooters going after targets. That part is not new. The fact that there was a period of time between the last known visit of at least one of the brothers to yemen and the execution of the attack doesnt necessarily mean that this was planned in yemen and kept under wraps for all these years. It could just be a matter of these individuals were steadily radicalizing, at some point made a decision to carry out an attack and then they did so. And this is behavior that weve seen before that is an evolution within the minds of the people who move from tort radicalization and from radicalization into violence, and some of them move forward fairly quickly, some dash around the edges and move in and out for a period of time. And laura, it sounds like in this french patriot act, thats one of the things theyre going to try to get at especially in prisons. In french prisons the radicalization thats occurring there. Yes, thats a big problem, and it was real interesting because some french wanted to speak to a guy who was the preacher of one of the brothers and he did an interview with french tv and he was talking to the reporter by saying okay i left a brother in prison and he was not very religious, and then he asked me how to become very religious, and thats something you see and watch when there is a terrorist action. Those young people who are out speaking marijuana, stealing something, going to jail and then suddenly between 18 years old and 21 years old, they met someone in prison who will radicalize them, and then when theyre going out of prison theyre virtually a terrorist. Theyre completely radicalized. One of the goals of the french government in the weeks ahead is going to be to try to avoid this radicalization inside the french prison. Brian jenkins, the increasing religiousity, as something weve seen for decades, for many many years, how will the authorities ever be able to tell which of these kinds of increased religious devotion is dangerous . I think it has to do with really vetting those who are responsible for ministering to the prisoners. Look often people in prison are in a lifes crisis and its not unnatural that they will reach out to some belief system which offers them comfort, offers them a way back and thats not necessarily a bad development. Prison administration has been oblivious to this for many many years because prisoners were interested in keeping order. So anything that maintained order, whether it was through christianity or islam or other faiths was key. One thing we have the inmoms were not themselves preventing some radical, dangerous forms and then come into these prisons not to deal with fate but to recruit potential terrorists. Brian jenkins and laura hyene, thank you for joining us tonight. Coming up the Hacker Group Anonymous vows to attack terror web sites. And two albuquerque Police Officers are charged with murder for shooting and killing a homeless man. And on the lighter side tonight, because were going to need that if you missed the threehour broadcast of the Golden Globes last night, we will show it all to you in tonights rewrite. The Golden Globes in three minutes. Thats coming up. Crowd yayyyy heart im going to focus on the heart. I minimize my sodium and fat. Gotta keep it lean and mean. 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Symmetrical allwheel drive plus 34 mpg. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. Today two albuquerque Police Officers were each charged with murder in the shooting death of a mentally ill homeless man who was camping in the hills of albuquerque in march of last year. After a fourhour standoff officers shot 38yearold james boyd. Police said he was armed with small knives. In the month after the shooting the Justice Department which had already been investigating the Albuquerque Police Department Released their findings that quote, Albuquerque Police department engages in a pattern and practice of use of excessive force, including deadly force. Here is video of that shooting of that homeless man from one of the Police Officers helmet cams. I can keep you safe all right . Dont worry about safety. Im not going to harm you. All right . Good. Go now get on the ground get on the ground there have been more than 40 officerinvolved shootings in albuquerque since 2010. According to the District Attorneys office, this is the first time an Albuquerque Police officer has ever been charged in connection with an officerinvolved shooting. Joining me now is albuquerque District Attorney carrie bramberg. She is charging the two officers with murder. Also with progress now in new mexico Patrick Davis who is himself a former Police Officer. District attorney bramberg how did you present this case . Well we didnt present the case. What we did is we determined that there was probable cause, and thats a legal standard. And once we have probable cause, then we can proceed either by way of grand jury or by preliminary hearing, and we decided that transparency was of the utmost importance so we are going to go ahead and proceed by way of preliminary hearing. And that means that there will be somewhat of what we refer to as a mini trial, where we will present evidence and the defense will have a chance to crossexamine and present evidence they feel is relevant. A court will decide or a judge will decide what the appropriate charges will be, if any, to bind the officers over at the conclusion of the preliminary hearing. Now, weve seen other District Attorneys around the country faced with the same choice who went to grand juries in ferguson saying we want to present every speck of evidence we possibly can to a grand jury. It turns out they were also introducing perjured testimony, they were introducing incorrect laws to the grand jury. We now know having seen the grand jury transcript there. Were you mindful of the public criticism of the grand jury process in these kinds of cases when you made this decision . Actually we have been presenting cases that involve officers and other highprofile individuals by way of preliminary hearing. Most recently an officer for vehicular homicide that ended up going to trial. So this is not something we decided to do based upon anything thats happened across the country in recent months. Patrick davis, as you know most Police Departments the size of albuquerque go through a typical year without any shootings at all, without killing anyone. The numbers there are extraordinary. What is your reaction to this prosecution . Well its historic without any doubt. As you said lawrence weve had more than 40 Police Officerinvolved shootings in the last decade and the police process here as allowed the department to investigate itself, and the grand jury has had to rely on those police investigations. In this case its historic but its starting to bring some sense of hope and vindication to the people who have been marching and protesting and asking for change for a really long time. Unlike other cities in the country, i think people in albuquerque are taking a look and hoping were going to turn that new corner in the way we deal with our Police Department and hold them accountable. Lets listen to what one of the defense lawyers for one of the officers said about these charges today. He spent his whole career and life protecting people. And the idea that hes charged with murder because hes protecting a fellow officer, you can imagine that goes right to his core. It hurts. That officer is alive, and unfortunately, mr. Boyd lost his life. But when a mentally unstable unpredictable, dangerous man with two knives is eight feet on Higher Ground away from an officer who does not have a gun drawn, he is justified in protecting that officer and shooting that man. Kari brandenberg, why do you see that evidence differently . Youre both looking at the same video. Well hes an advocate for his client, and hes zealous and very capable advocate for his client. Were looking at the laws were looking at it through a totally different lens than he is and we feel like we have probable cause. Now, all of this will be aired in public in an open courtroom, and a judge will make the ultimate decisio

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