you know the nice thing, you don't need a punch line. good to have you with us. thank you for watching. we start tonight with a bombshell interview with the duggar parents, breaking their silence, speaking out about the molestation scandal involving their oldest son, josh. for the first time being their reality tv show "19 kids and counting" has been taken off the air. jim bob and michelle duggar said the victims included four of their daughters and one person outside the family. they told megyn kelly of fox news about the first time josh confessed to them. >> our son, josh came to us on his own, and he was crying. he had just turned 14. and he said that he had actually improperly touched some of our daughters. >> we were shocked. i mean we were just devastated. i don't think any parent is prepared for a trauma like that. >> the duggars say they spoke to josh and their daughters about the improper touching. they took measures to protect the girls but the problems didn't stop. according to the parents, josh duggar confessed three times to improperly touching his sisters. after a third time the duggar parents said they took action. they sent josh away to a private christian based facility where he got help. >> we were weeping. i was like what's wrong? where is why is daddy and josh leaving? as we're all leaving the next day and for days and dareys, i was saying, josh has done some very bad things. and he's very sorry. >> when josh got back his parents took him to speak with a state trooper, but no charges were ever filed. jim bob addressed why he didn't go to the police from the start. >> i talked to somebody that worked at one of the juvenile youth sex offender facilities. and he described how they actually take care of these situations down there. and the success rate is not very good. so we felt like going from a perspective of really reaching his heart first would be important. >> the duggars spoke about why they decided to go ahead with the reality tv show after these problems. >> we had nothing to hide. we had taken care of all that years ago. when they asked to do the reality tv show all of this had been taken care of five years before and we had a clean bill of health from the state. you had counselling. told the police. >> did the girls or josh say hold on, mom or dad? >> we had no fear because everything was taken care of. that was a sealed juvenile record. >> the duggar family says they feel like they have been wronged by josh's juvenile record being made public. they are speaking to attorneys about the possibility of legal action. but we should point out these records became public after a freedom of information act request by "in touch "magazine. two of josh's sisters also spoke to fox news and extremely upset the records were made public. >> this isn't, they can't do this to us. >> and yet they did. >> they did. >> it was a system set up to protect kids both those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones affected by those choices. it's just greatly failed. >> for more let me bring in erin marin, the author of "an unimaginable act" and founder of erin's law. she's been in contact with the duggar family. good to have you with us on "the ed show." >> thanks for having me. >> you bet. there just seems to be a thousand questions here. what's wrong here? as you see this story, what did the duggar parents, we'll start with them. what did they do wrong, if anything, in your eyes? >> i believe the one thing that could have been different was going to the authorities immediately. you know i've told michelle and jim bob duggar i'm not going to throw stones at you and judge you like society is but i do agree you should have goneimmediately ly. if you find out your kid is doing this you go to the police immediately. and as you notice from your interview, one time a second time. waited too long. there was more victims there. so i believe the first and foremost go to the police immediately and then i don't think josh should have ever been allowed back into the home. any parent i tell them do not allow the perpetrator back into the home. it's too dangerous. too much of a risk. >> so you think there's a lot of fault here with the parents. they clearly could have and should have handled this differently. >> yeah. and i try to tell people put yourself in their shoes. no parent in their mind plans or prepares to find out their kid is abusing another family member. so i think that they were just how do i handle this? what do i do? so i don't think they were prepared on how to properly handle it. when they did go to the authorities, look what we hear now. this guy, the police officer is now spending 56 years behind bars for child pornography. as i tell people these are often people we know and trust that are doing this to children. the stranger danger we warn so many people about. it's the police officer, the coach, the pastor it's not these strangers we put so much emphasis on. which is why we need to talk to kids about personal body safety. and that's how i got to know the duggars. a year and a half ago, they brought me into my home after hearing me speak on sexual abuse. they said, erin will you come into our home it was 9:00 at night, and talk about erin's law. educating them on personal body safety. if you've been sexually abuse, speak up and tell. don't keep it a secret. they didn't tell me anything about what happened with josh. so i spent two hours in their family room that evening talking to all of their kids well not all, but nine of them about erin's law. what it does. you don't keep these secrets. and then they went on to tell me erin we want to get you in touch with home schoolers. get you out there and getting this message. because my law requires personal body safety, to be taught in kids in preschool. this doesn't reach the home schooling community. they wanted to help get my message at national conferences, home schooling, at the same time i had no idea that their older son had done this. so maybe -- >> what is your reaction? >> they were trying to prevent this. >> erin, what is your reaction to the victims' reaction defending josh? >> you know what? i'm not surprised. every victim reacts differently. i wasn't there. if the girls were really asleep not, did they wake up in i don't know all the circumstances. but this is, after all, their parents. their whole family is literally being thrown under the bus, judged by so many people in society, their faces all over every news magazine to every news outlet. i just think they really just want this to go away and in reality, we're putting so much focus on, you know josh. what josh did. josh this josh that. we need to focus on is how we are victimizing the girls. how we've reopened this wound to what happened 12 years ago. and how they've tried to move on with their life and suddenly faced with it all over again. >> i want to bring in wendy, a former prosecutor and a veteran prosecutor and legal analyst. great to have all of you with us tonight. wendy, your thoughts. how do you think the police handled this case? >> they did nothing. i looked through the reports very carefully and what struck me is not only the inexplicable cavalier dismissal by the cops of the seriousness of what was going on. we're talking about abuse, not only of five different kids. one was four or five years old, but also over the course of a long period of time from a guy who was told not to do it again and kept doing it again. that's predatory. that's super dangerous. i tell you what else. when the cops don't intervene, the message goes to the bad guy, this is something i can get away with. nobody cares. the cop doesn't care. why don't i keep doing it? i did not like the statements from the girls i read. sounded prepared parented puppet-like. every single one of them soft peddled in my opinion what happened. they had the same story. i don't buy it. i've prosecuted these cases for 30 years. i don't buy it. that they all had the exact same story to tell the cops? i think that whole family should have been investigated. and i don't give a damn while judging them. of course we're judging them. this is what you do when people do bad things to children and it's hidden behind closed doors and the family allows it? we should be judging them harshly. that's exactly the right reason to judge people harshly. >> i agree with that. paul can the person outside the family that was improperly touched file charges? that seems to be somewhat the odd thing in all of this in this scenario. someone outside of the family was vooiltediolated and yet no charges. what do you think of that? >> it's really unfortunate. again, i think the biggest travesty is the ongoing pattern and behavior of the legal conduct, both within the family and outside of the family when notice was not given to the proper authorities until the statute of limitations had run both with the offender and with the parents in terms of their own liability and they keep saying, and i think we all heard that in their interview when we said there was no mandatory reporting. but that's not the issue. this isn't about whether or not you're a mandatory reporter. these are your children you have a duty and an obligation to protect and they weren't protected in this way. they weren't protected until we see this release and this information and again, they are outside of the statute of limitations for prosecution as well but that doesn't speak to the dire need to protect our most vulnerable citizens and those children. that includes the babysitter that was touched or that was offended as well. even though that's outside of the statute of limitations again. i think as this story continues to unfold what the focus is going to be on is the legal analysis on the actual release of the information and the foia request that was released from the chief of police. in my opinion, there were so many exceptions with foia to juvenile records, both in the supreme court and in state courts for that state that relate to law enforcement access and even when they turned over that information in a redakctive form it did not include the names or addresses. it was clear the family they were talking about but that will be an issue with a defamation or libel suit. i think that's where the story will go next. >> wendy, what's your analysis of the parents that they decided to move forward with this reality show and said oh everything is taken care of. this is all in the past. do you accept that answer as someone who has prosecuted these cases for years that they just decided the move forward with a television career after going through all of this? >> well i don't know. michael jackson had a career after god knows what he was doing. what i can say is their attitude is so disturbing because they're just so unconcerned about the severity of what happened. and when you're on tv showcasing yourself in a particular way and hoping the public sees you in a certain light, what i worry about is that they were hoping the public would see them for something that they're not and that kind of cover insulates them from suspicion in a way that could have kept the kids at even greater risk because we think those types of people don't molest children. oh, yes, they do! >> erin your response to what wendy is saying about the way the parents handled this about how they move forward, and how they should be held up to a standard. what about that? i mean, erin, you seem to be giving them almost somewhat of an alibi. >> it's not that i'm giving them an alibi. i just don't feel in the place i should be judging them. like i said do i agree on how they handled this? no. i've made it clear to them. i've been in contact every day with them since last week. and i made it very clear with them. i said the media has been reaching out with me. you've had me in your home talking with your kids about this. i had no idea nor did i feel you had to tell me this but i feel usual have gone to the authorities immediately. that allowing josh to continue to stay in the home wasn't the proper way of how to handle this. and that i hope moving forward, they can do something positive with it. >> okay. paul, the duggars say they're considering legal actions for the juvenile records being released. do they have a case? >> there's an analysis that goes both criminally and civilly. so criminally in order to go after the chief of police that released the records, they have to prove that she was acting outside of the scope of her duties. i don't believe they'll be able to prove that especially given the fact she brought the records to the city attorney to have it analyzed and made the release and then the release was redact redacted redacted. that would be a defamation case or a slanderous case where they're going to have to prove what damages they have from the release and keep in mind this is a true statement. so it's not a false statement that's being made. it's a true statement that was de desem di sim nated. it's sus penned. we don't know if it's going to come back. because they took the steps to redact the information, they followed the law followed the advice of their counsel, i think moving forward with the case would be very very difficult and that obscures the bigger issue as to what happened to these kids because that's what we need to focus on. we need to be concerned with our vulnerable victims and families like this that are having problems and face charges. and should face charges. >> erin merryn i appreciate your time on "the ed show." give me a minute. get my video podcast at wegoted.com. rick perry joins the race with what could be his biggest challenger. later, the president hints at another partner for the transpacific partnership. look at how it could impact the trade deal negotiation. stay with us. we're right back. if you have a business idea, we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into a reality. start your business today with legalzoom. if you take multiple medications, a dry mouth can be a common side effect. that's why there's biotene. it comes in oral rinse spray or gel so there's moisturizing relief for everyone. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. coming up on "the ed show," the republican field hits double digits. rick perry joins the republican race. but he brings a lot of legal baggage. that's all coming up on "the ed show." stay with us. we're right back. go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset do it all. on us. get your first month's payment plus five years wear and tear coverage. make the most of summer... with volvo. we have the power to make things new again. to project america's strength again and to get our economy going again. and that is exactly why today i am running for the presidency of the united states of america. >> and we are back on "the ed show." former texas governor rick perry is looking for redemption. his biggest hurdle isn't a failed 2012 presidential campaign. it's a criminal indictment for abuse of power. if you remember back in august a grand jury indicted perry on two felony charges. the indictment says perry, quote, intentionally or knowingly misused government property and he influenced or attempted to influence a publicer is vanltpublic er is servant. perry and lawyers denied any wrongdoing. the third gop hopeful to join the crowd of second timers running but the first one with a felony indictment against him. joining me tonight, jim moore, investigative journalist and author of "bush's brain." harold cook, democratic political strategist. i guess you can give perry credit for one thing. he just won't give up. let's start with this. jim, do republicans see a felony indictment for abuse of power as a qualification for the presidency? >> i think the way they're looking at this ed is they're thinking on the far right, it's like a badge of honor. you know, remember, we are the center of the hippie universe in texas. austin is 35 square miles of real estate surrounded by texas. they think it came from the democrats in texas. but the truth is what they have to confront is the very real fact that this has been appealed three times and it has not gone away. one of the judges in a court that is presently facing the criminal court of appeals is a perry appointee, i expect motions there to try to get him dismissed. don't think that's going to happen. it's probably going to get hurt and even if perry should lose the state will then appeal. the truth is he's going to go all the way through this nominating process, ed. and he could end up being the nominee with an indictment. do the republicans want to take a chance on picking a guy who is still going to be under indictment when they choose the nominee? i think probably not. >> harold cook it looks to me like perry is just acting like oh, this is just some chatter in the background i don't have to worry about. what's your analysis of how he's handling all of is this? moving forward, it doesn't seem to bother him. >> that is my analysis. i think the perry team has diluted themselves and spun themselves into believing that this is no big deal. and you know what they might be able the get away with being a presidential campaign under criminal indictment in maybe iowa maybe new hampshire. look there's a certain subset of republican primary voters who probably think this is some democratic plot even though there's not a democrat in sight in this indictment but i could see where they'd delude themselves. probably fairly early in the nominating process, certainly by south carolina electability comes into play. it always has and i assume it always will. that's why the republicans have elected or nominated electable people after hearing for a bunch of tea party people. rick perry is just too easy to run against because if he starts gaining in the polls his republican opponents can't just say, yeah the guy under felony indictment and i just don't think he can overcome it. i don't think anybody could. >> i agree with that. i just think that if they have to, they're going to throw it at him in a big way. the question is what's his answer going to be? he had a notorious flub during a debate in 2011. here it is. >> i will tell you. it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce education, and the, what's the third one there, let's see. >> can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with education, the commerce and let's see, i can't, the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> you know jim, some things just follow a guy. is that something that's always going to follow rick perry, never going to be taken really serious as a guy who's got a core and know exactly what he wants to do? >> it's going to be very very hard. he said he's taken off his boots. put on some glasses and trying to reinvent and rebrand himself. but the fact is you can't. it's not like going to college to become the president of the united states. he said he spent the past couple of years studying. but it's what you bring to the game. you know he's out there talking about the texas miracle. and the things he was saying in his speech today, ed about texas being such a great economic engine. well, there's some things happening here. but remember also we had the highest number of low-income jobs in this state, the most uninsured in this state. and if you're a person with difficulties economically and financially, we have the worst support system in the country. and now the hydraulic fracturing has turned down tens of thousands of jobs disappearing. he's got another hitch in his get alock getalong. >> he probably outdoes scott walker in deliverance. what you just said where the state is doesn't sound very good. that's for sure. harold cook who's his base? who's he going to be counting on? who's the republican on the right or the conservative to say, you know what rick perry is just our guy. >> that's a good question. i think it's an open question. last time there was no question that rick perry ran in the tea party lane and. such a crowded field. i mean there's probably ten or might be 20. i'm not sure that he is in love with that. and run on a more economic more almost bipartisan language. i think on the far analysis their conference room table, maybe they decided it doesn't even matter that if you can just hang in there with superior fund raising, long enough for the field to win down to five or six, maybe you're in the ballpark. but i'm not sure. i know it's not achievable as long as the indictment is hanging around him. >> harold cook jim moore. always great to have you on "the ed show." stay with us. we have breaking news to vort report now. 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>> to us to jack louis, the treasurye secretary of treasury. it's got with the same kinds of high standards. >> that's interesting. the president said in an interview that china has put out feelers that they may want to participate further when it comes to trade. you know i don't know what this love affair is that the president has with the chinese because they have cheated on every single trade agreement. so just in preparation for this today, i just happen to come across this. i don't know if anybody in the white house reads the walls journal, but i do. six steel firms fire salvo against imports. this is the china that the president of the united states is talking about. why should we trust them? here's what the story says and i quote. six steel makers with major u.s. operations filed a trade complaint on wednesday seeking punitive tariffs for alleged unfair pricing of imported steel from china, indiana, italy, south korea, and taiwan. the article goes on to say, and i quote, the petitioners are frustrated because prices have been sluggish down about 25% since the start of the year. despite strong demand. that is the companies that make most of the steel near automobile factories in the midwest and the south to lay off thousands of workers and idle plants around the country. meaning the united states. they blame imports particularly from china. folks, here's what's happening here. china is state sponsoring their steel industry to undercut american workers. they are dumping, dumping, dumping. we do not have proper enforcement in these trade deals as they stand right now. so the president is now trying to sell in interviews that well, china might come to the table and be a real trusted partner. really? show me the money. mr. president. i don't understand how your staff can mislead you on this. china has never been an honest broker when it's come to trade. they're dumping on our market and doing it with state subsidized money. what that means is that there is the chinese federal government their local municipalities and their military. they're the ones that are dropping the material on the united states. we can't do anything about it right now. or we can do what? go to the international trade commission, that's going to take 45 days. and they're saying by the end of this year they may render judgment, but the full throat of all of this won't come to fruition until middle of 2016. middle of 2016? these factory workers and these people who are in the automobile industry and on down the line rubber steel, glass, electronics, you name it. what are they going to do with jobs? now the president wants to go off and do another trade deal hoping that china will maybe someday fess up and do things correctly. i don't boy it. i don't buy it at all. joining me now is congresswoman rosa delauro. china might want to play ball when it comes to trade if we do the tpp. >> first of all, a delight to be back with you again. i think what the president's comments just reinforced is what the serious complaints all of us have with the transpacific partnership agreement. and that you reinforce it with what the steel companies have said on filing against china. this is an agreement that will lose jobs and depress wages. we have been saying that all along. and i think what the president has walked into here is saying that, in fact this is the case and this is what will happen. in addition to which because it is also job-related, ed is that china practices currency manipulation. >> there is nothing in the agreement and the president would veto an agreement with a currency chapter in it but well renowned people said currency manipulation has caused the loss of between 1 million and 5 million jobs in the united states. not only japan that does this. you'll have malaysia and also china. the president has just contradicted his own arguments about -- >> thisin a big way. >> in a very big way. extraordinary. >> congresswoman, i've got to ask you. what do you think about nancy pelosi's comments? >> she has always had interest in jobs and making sure people have jobs and good wages. >> but it's been reported she doesn't want to embarrass the president. it's been reported she doesn't want to embarrass the president. what do you make of that? >> i think i believe that leader pelosi will be true to where she is and the issues that she cares deeply about. that's what's going on. the economic lives of american workers today. >> she's leaning no? >> i will just say to you i have to imagine that she will be true to where you know her core values are in terms of american working men and women. >> congresswoman delauro, i appreciate your time. i want to bring in jonathan waller. what has china done that would make us believe they would be honest brokers in trade when you have six steel companies who are now flagging them for dumping on our market and circumventing the trade agreement. >> it's not like we're going to sign a trade deal with china tomorrow but the president was saying that china ultimately has to be brought in to international trade under our rules. see, china is what this whole thing is all about. that's the best argument for approving this trade deal is that if we don't do this deal with all of these other asian countries, china will give them preferential treatment in their trade relations with no environmental or labor standards. terrible for the united states terrible for workers around the world. so what this is is a big struggle over the next 10 or 15 years over who has more control over the rules of international commerce the united states or china? we want it to be our rules. that's what the president was saying. that's a huge argument for supporting this deal. >> all right. laurie wallach, what about that? >> i feel like i've been carried back to the year 2000. that was precisely the argument almost word for word to push congress to support china entering the world trade organization. that was the only way to get china to follow the rules to do commerce in trade the way we want. there's rules we help write and now we have to come in afterwards. and sadly, everyone knows how that movie ended. right? our trade deficit went through the ceiling. we have seen china not following the rules of the wto. and in fact some of the industries that push for china to be in the wto are the ones complaining 15 years later that's been a total kacatastrophe. to add to this if in fact the tpp were to be fast tracked, the agreement would be in place. a docking agreement, that china could enter into it. here's the kicker. the administration opposes this amendment that the senate tried to pass in the house that would at least require congress to have a vote on whether china should be able to enter the tpp and what terms. the administration even opposes that. they just want china to get in. they would be fast tracking the f tpp and fast tracking china. >> this is all down the road but the wto question. laurie makes it sound as if it was a catastrophe that the nations join a wto. there's been pretty terrible violations. well, is it better to have them in the tent or outside the tent? i would argue it's much better with all the problems all the unfilled promise of the wto to have everybody in the, as many of these trade deals as we can make on our terms and the reason is because the assumption on the part of the opponents of this deal is that we can somehow do something about globalization, we can somehow get these jobs back. we can't. globalization -- >> fair trade. [ talking over each other ] >> jonathan if you have fair trade and the fact is that the chinese have cheated, they've manipulated their currency they are dumping. >> absolutely. >> there has to be some level of protection for us for them for everybody in the deal. >> what you have to do is create these international forms with dispute resolution, with teeth. and i sure hope we haven't seen the text of this deal. i sure hope it has teeth in it. >> yes, we have. >> for all workers. the congress to vote on them. that relates to the fact that it's very hard to negotiate with the other countries you're negotiating in public. >> gentlemen, could i jump in? >> anyway the point is we would be so much worse off if we had these huge trade wars. >> we'll leave it there. do you think we'll be worse off, okay, i love to have both sides of the story. thank you. that's all we have time for tonight. we'll continue to follow it as it is. the biggest economic story on the globe. no doubt. we'll have more on "the ed show" right after this. stay with us. nt new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it you can switch it right on again. you're back! freeze it, only from discover. get it at discover.com. you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. 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>> i would have. >> the power of hindsight is not given to us the. >> i would have not engaged. i would not have gone into iraq. >> of course all of those missteps the took place before becoming an official candidate. ted cruz has saved up his worst remarks for his official campaign for the white house. last night, ted cruz publicly ridiculed vice president joe biden. >> and vice president joe biden. you know the nice thing? you don't need a punch line. >> the vice president is currently grieving the loss of his son, who died on saturday. ted cruz made an apology on his facebook account, saying in part it was a mistake to use an old joke about joe biden during his time of grief. joining me tonight, jim moore back with us investigative journalist and author of "bush's brain," and harold cook with us texas democratic political strategist. there's a lot of things that could categorize ted cruz as being smart isn't one of them, but this just really underscores to me mr. moore, that this guy is just simply a loose cannon. how do you put into reason what he did? >> well there isn't anything -- any way to put any of that into reason. it's tasteless, and you know the courage that he shows by apologizing on facebook instead of standing in front of a camera and apologizing and being honest about it it's all faults. it's cowardly. and it's everything that ted cruz is. i mean full confession ed. just talking about the guy makes my eyes want to roll back in my head and steam come out of my ears. i'm probably not the best guy to ask about this. but i thought it was reprehensible. and he knew at the time what had happened, and that makes it even more despicable frankly. >> mr. cook what do you think? >> well look what jim said is what i think. you don't kick a man while he's down. that isn't even politics. that's just basic, fundamental, human kindness. >> but is it ted cruz? >> and if he had a complete apology, he would have said, i'm sorry for being a total jerk. and it wouldn't have been on facebook, it would have been in front of a tv camera just like his gaffe was. >> all right. jeb bush apparently june 15th is the big day. harold, is there any way he's not going to run? >> no of course -- no he's got to run. and, you know, he's kind of well positioned electoral math wise. the republicans are either going to get those 29 electoral votes out of florida or they're going to lose the election. so i think republican primary voters would be kind of foolish to not push either jeb bush or marco rubio on the ticket somewhere. so i think both of those guys at least have that to hang their hat hon. >> jim, do you think w.'s going to be around on june 15th? is he going to be in the camera shot? >> i would be surprised if he is. this is one -- this is going to test a family relationship as jeb tries to do this. but, who knows? you know, he's been apologizing for his brother all along, and now his brother is going to apologize for him. that keeps the family tight and well knit. >> all right and -- well -- >> it sure makes thanksgiving awkward. >> you know, saying a guy spent too much money isn't exactly dissing him too much so maybe w. is going to jump in there and help him out as much as he can. one thing for sure is the bushes know how to raise money and you guys know that. jim moore and harold cook good to have you with us tonight. thanks for your time. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight on "politics nation," a wake-up call for washington. a new poll shows what voters really think of minimum wage inequality and fair play. also hillary clinton's new call for a 20-day early voting period nationwide! think voting rights was a big fight in 2012, wait until you see 2016. and new questions from the duggar's sex abuse interview. the family breaking their silence, but should they be speaking out at all? welcome to all my friends in "politics nation." we start with the