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[ shots fired ] our faces were burning, our eyes were watering. Dont treat us like were different. To see that justice is done. He was a peaceful person and he lived his life peaceful. This is your job to protect and to serve. What do we want . Justice by for who . Mike brown overnight, ferguson, missouri looked more like a war zone than a suburb of st. Louis. Tear gas was thrown multiple times. I wasnt sure what prompted it. Some say someone threw a bottle or some sort of object at police. We havent confirmed that. All i know is everyone took off sprinting and my prafr, and our eyes were watering and we werent sure what was going on. That was taking place and just this cloud of gas in the air. Thats all you saw and then officers, armed officers walking around. It felt like you were in a war zone. You just heard this popping over and over. The protests are stemming from outrage over the fatal police the shooting of unarmed 18yearold Michael Brown. Earlier president obama addressed the situation. This morning i received a thorough update on the situation from attorney general eric holder who has been following and been in communication with his team. Ive already tasked the the department of justice and the fbi to independently investigate the death of Michael Brown along with local officials on the ground. The department of justice is also consulting with local authorities about ways that they can maintain Public Safety without restricting the right of peaceful protest and while avoiding unnecessary escalation. I made clear to the attorney general that we should make necessary to determine exactly what happened and to see that justice is done. An Administration Official said the Justice Department has urged author onities in missouri to demilitarize the the crowd control in ferguson and has offered Technical Advice of nonconfrontational techniques for dealing with large crowds. This comes after the fourth night of violence. Heres what developed over the last your hours. The local School District has kept school for today and tomorrow. Continuing unrest in the community and its planning to reschedule the first day of school for monday. Missouri governor jay nixon canceled his trip to the miss oary state fair and returned to ferguson. He met with local leaders earlier today. The governor addressed the turmoil overnight on twitter, writing, quote, the situation in ferguson does not represent who we are. Must keep the peace while safeguarding rights of citizens and the press. Governor nixons message is a stark contrast to the reality on the ground. Dozens of heavily armed police and s. W. A. T. Teams and militarystyle vehicles carried heavy duty assault rifles and faced off with protesters for a fourth night. 16 people were reportedly arrested and two officers were injured. Two of the arrests were of journalists and Wesley Lowery from the Washington Post and ryan wiley of the huffington post. They took pictures of Police Officer approaching them at a mcdonalds nearby. Stop videotaping and lets grab our stuff and go. Hurry up, lets go. Lets go. You see me working. Please do not tell me not to use this. Were down in about 45 seconds. Lets go. We dont have time to ask questions. You can move your car if your cars out here. It is, thats what im asking. Lets go. Lets go. Lets go. Theres a door over here. Upon. Lets go lets go you can move. Lets go. Move, lets move Wesley Lowery from the Washington Post discussed the confrontation with jose diaz earlier today. We were recording them on video because a forceful evacuation of a private fast food chain is news, its something that i can send to viewers and they would see whats going on on the ground and the officer took exception to the fact that i was videotaping him and he tried to illegally prevent me from doing that. I told him, sir, do i not have a right to do this . They threw me up against a soda machine and im not resisting. You cant arrest me. Its fine. There have been reports from multiple journalists who were saying, police fired tees gas. Msnbc. Com tremane lee was caught in the chaos before he went on the air with Lawrence Odonnell. I can barely breathe. My nose is burning, my lungs are burning. My eyes are burning. I just cant escape it. The further back you go, it still hangs in the air and so it looks like the police have taken over completely at the end of the street, but again, far down the street the clouds of tear gas are engulfing everything and just a few seconds ago, after about five minutes another stun grenade went off and so theyre still firing off and again, my entire face from my nose and my lips and my eyes is all burning and its almost on fire and so i can imagine what people that are actually in it feel. I watched mr. Lees riveting testimony last night live there on the Lawrence Odonnell show. Msnbc. Com National Reporter trymaine lee and who have both been on the scene in ferguson, missouri. Are other reporters feeling nervous about the situation escalating further like it it did last night . I think at this point, earlier this morning it was the calm after the storm and already people are starting to gather. You can hear behind me the horns are honking and people are still chanting, but with all of the leaders in the country with their eyes focused on ferguson and with the world watching and with all of the media surrounding this town to see how it will go next, with will politicians saying that now is the time for peace and its time to demilitarize the situation, you know, people hope that it will be calm, but once night falls who knows what will happen . I was always thinking why dont people protest during the day . They have jobs. They have to go to work and they have to come home and be able to express their own amendment rights to protest. President obama met with eric holder and now the department of justice is offering tactics. Is obama doing enough . Thats not really my place to say, but i was at the Community Meeting where Community Leaders were talking about the Police Response last night. The people who were out here they just said it was too intense. Assault rifles on the streets and armed personnel carriers freaked people out and its drawn the attention of National Politicians now and ive spoken with some ferguson residents since the the politicians have made their statements today, and there does seem to be a sense that National Politicians and statelevel politicians are paying attention to them, but theyre uncertain about whats going to happen tonight. Its contingent on what the police do when the conflict tends to come with them. Let me try with you. Is president obama doing enough . Was that a sufficient answer he gave or addressing the situation in a way that would reduce the palpable tension that you feel there . When it comes to matters of president obama weighing in, particularly in these racially fraught cases, we know that everyone is not going to be satisfied. He was criticized after the Trayvon Martin killing that he dragged his feet for days and weeks until he said that could have been my son. Even though the racial element is here its not stinging here the same way it did the in the zimmerman case. That protesters need not be attacking police, but also Law Enforcement needs to, you know, step carefully, i think hes doing something. Hes letting everyone know that hes paying attention and hes on vacation at marthas vineyard. He had to come out and say something. It doesnt look good whether youre on vacation and an American City is urn siege and you dont say anything. It doesnt look right. What does the family say about the vilence . No one wants it the violenced no one believes it will solve anything. Even though everyone understands the frustration and the anger thats been bubbling up in so many people and if you want to honor Michael Browns life and legacy and what his death might mean in the bigger sense about young, black men, their lives and interactions with police then do it peacefully. And there are National Civil Rights Groups and the hope is that now theyll use all of this good energy and all of these young people have maintained and continue to maintain and use it for some positive way and some way to figure out how to make the mostity on out of the system. Ferguson police chief was asked about the brutality from police. Heres his response from the news conference. I understand that the other side of that is there is gun fire and there are firebombs being thrown at the police, and i understand that what it looks like is not good. The whole situation is not good at this point. You know, matt, sometimes people may believe that were seeing a world split apart by different perceptions and nobody there with cameras or anything has captured the picture of crowds fire am booing the police and the like. Whats your reaction to what the police chief said . Well, in the two or three nights that ive been here, there are protesters with guns out here and ive spoken with the Ferguson Police chief and after the the first night of riots and looting sunday night, that was the only night that there was looting, he said that there were three shots fired at him in the walmart parking lot. I spoke with the st. Louis county police chief last night that said they were hearing of more reports of gun fire and no one has been hit thankfully and the chief did say that there was an officer who had broken his ankle after a protester hit him with a brick. So there is reports of violence out here. I havent personally seen it myself, but the problem with the scene that it is so spread out and so chaotic that its impossible for any reporter sitting in one place to know everything thats going on and something youll find that people in this community will tell you is the people that use that kind of violence are not representative of them, but people do believe that there are a few bad actors out there. Sure. You know, trymaine, one of the unfortunate consequences when you capture a community frozen in time that the outbursts they might unjustifiab unjustifiable and theyre demonize, but how are the people treating you in the community. Ive gotten a level of hospitality and under the circumstances of an outpouring of support in trying to tell their story. The police were launching tear gas canisters and our faces felt like they were on fire and people were comforting each other and on canfield and the scene of the killings and a group of young ladies and i followed them back to the winding roads in the neighborhood and got back to the area of my car. I was on a car with Lawrence Odonnell on the phone or chris hayes, and i said im out here, im at the scene of the killing and i can still the tear gas is still burning my face. A guy came out of his house and i heard you, and i heard that you were right out here. Brought me in and gave me a glass of water and let me charge my phone and offered me dinner. His wife made dinner and offered me dinner and he got in his car and i followed him out of the neighborhood. And there was talk earlier before things unraveled about how can they turn this into some economic means. How can they withhold economic support. They dont necessarily feel they have the agency to affect political change and theyre having these conversations and there are prayer circles and theres been a lot of love despite the fact theres been so much violence and theyve been full of tear gas and violence. Sure, matt and trymaine, as well. I want to ask matt first and i want your responses. Congressman asked to declare martial law. My own feeling is right now is that president obama should use the authority of his office to declare martial law. Federalize the Missouri National guard to protect people as they protest. Matt and trymaine, whats your reaction to that . Well, i dont know if thats going to happen. Governor nixon announced a little bit earlier that the Missouri State Highway Patrol would be taking over crowd control at this point and the man he wants to lead that effort is africanamerican, and thats something that a lot of people in this community cite as one of the reasons that these scenes are upsetting to them. Its predominantly africanamerican people in the street, overwhelmingly white Police Officers, you know, holding the weapons against them. So, you know, whats going to happen tonight . I dont know. They dont know. A lot of people tell me its contingent on who shows up and what happens. As you know as you know, michael, Community Leaders would say more Law Enforcement isnt the answer. Lets remember what brought us here in the first place. A young, unarmed teenager was shot ask killed by the police and there are still so many questions surrounding that. We dont know if it it was justified or not and its not pointing in the direction and we dont know enough to make that decision and it goes back to chicago and people are talking about bringing the National Guard in. Lock it down and treat people respectfully . That would be the question people in the community would ask and to oppress them and subjugate them . That would be the fear. Who knows . Trymaine lee, matt pierce, thanks for your time tonight. Thank you. Coming up, president obama joined the chorus of politicians calling for peaceful resolutions in ferguson. Plus protests brought it it front and center. The Rapid Response panel as the community searches for answers. Discover card. Hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. Yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. Good. I hate surprises. Surprise at discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card and see your fico® credit score. Even 10 miles away. They can see the light of a single candle. Look after them with centrum silver. Multivitamins for your eyes, heart and brain. Now, with a new easy to swallow coating. If energy could come from anything . Or if power could go anywhere . Or if light could seek out the dark . What would happen if that happens . Anything. Welcome back to the ed show. As unrest continues in ferguson, missouri, following the death of michael brun. President obama weighed in on the the the situation this afternoon. Today i would lake all of us to take a step back and think about how we are going to be moving forward. When Something Like this happens the local author onities including police have the responsibility to be open and transparent about how theyre investigating that death and how theyre protectioning the people in their communities. Now is the time for healing. Now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. Now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done. President obama has also been in contact with attorney general eric holder and asked the department of justice and the fbi to independently investigate the shooting. Ferguson mayor james knoll says theyre looking to forge better relations with the community, but suggests this problem is not specific to his town. We hope that from here on out we can continue to work with young men in our community and other communities to have better relations not only with the community, but with our Law Enforcement officers and Law Enforcement officers across the country because this is not a ferguson problem. This is a national problem. The spotlight on ferguson brings back the conversation about violence about africanamerican youth and as these incidents continue there needs to be more than talk. There needs to be action from our leaders beginning with the white house. For more, im joined by assistant professor of African Studies at the university of pennsylvania and Goldie Taylor, msnbc contributor and columnist for the grillo. Com. Will president obamas comments today have an effect on the ground and do you think he set the right framework as smart as he is, africanamerican as he is to understand whats happening there . I watched the whole press conference and i was struck by the difference in rhetoric between his discussion about american u. S. Military intervention in iraq and the ways in which the president as well as tsupporting the religios minority and its not something he wants to do, but hes decided we have to do. The the tone and the rhetoric around ferguson is very different. Hes not asking for a military intervention. Its a conversation that he wants us to continue to have around race and he has said that holder should go in the Justice Department and fbi to continue the investigation. So on one hand, i think, you know, people are applauding the fact that hes come out twice and hes come out ahead of the missouri governor which is really an unexplainable at this point and at the same time hes had so many conversations about this topic, and so, obviously, it it hasnt necessarily changed the way Police Officers look at africanamerican youth. It hasnt changed the way that prief the at citizens look at black youth and so, i think there needs to be a much more substantial and much more rigorous, not just conversation, but at this point, real policy thats directed towards protecting our most vulnerable citizens. What about that, Goldie Taylor . The conversation has been critical and insightful and interesting, but the the doctor is talking about Michael Brown<\/a>. Earlier president obama addressed the situation. This morning i received a thorough update on the situation from attorney general eric holder who has been following and been in communication with his team. Ive already tasked the the department of justice and the fbi to independently investigate the death of Michael Brown<\/a> along with local officials on the ground. The department of justice is also consulting with local authorities about ways that they can maintain Public Safety<\/a> without restricting the right of peaceful protest and while avoiding unnecessary escalation. I made clear to the attorney general that we should make necessary to determine exactly what happened and to see that justice is done. An Administration Official<\/a> said the Justice Department<\/a> has urged author onities in missouri to demilitarize the the crowd control in ferguson and has offered Technical Advice<\/a> of nonconfrontational techniques for dealing with large crowds. This comes after the fourth night of violence. Heres what developed over the last your hours. The local School District<\/a> has kept school for today and tomorrow. Continuing unrest in the community and its planning to reschedule the first day of school for monday. Missouri governor jay nixon canceled his trip to the miss oary state fair and returned to ferguson. He met with local leaders earlier today. The governor addressed the turmoil overnight on twitter, writing, quote, the situation in ferguson does not represent who we are. Must keep the peace while safeguarding rights of citizens and the press. Governor nixons message is a stark contrast to the reality on the ground. Dozens of heavily armed police and s. W. A. T. Teams and militarystyle vehicles carried heavy duty assault rifles and faced off with protesters for a fourth night. 16 people were reportedly arrested and two officers were injured. Two of the arrests were of journalists and Wesley Lowery<\/a> from the Washington Post<\/a> and ryan wiley of the huffington post. They took pictures of Police Officer<\/a> approaching them at a mcdonalds nearby. Stop videotaping and lets grab our stuff and go. Hurry up, lets go. Lets go. You see me working. Please do not tell me not to use this. Were down in about 45 seconds. Lets go. We dont have time to ask questions. You can move your car if your cars out here. It is, thats what im asking. Lets go. Lets go. Lets go. Theres a door over here. Upon. Lets go lets go you can move. Lets go. Move, lets move Wesley Lowery<\/a> from the Washington Post<\/a> discussed the confrontation with jose diaz earlier today. We were recording them on video because a forceful evacuation of a private fast food chain is news, its something that i can send to viewers and they would see whats going on on the ground and the officer took exception to the fact that i was videotaping him and he tried to illegally prevent me from doing that. I told him, sir, do i not have a right to do this . They threw me up against a soda machine and im not resisting. You cant arrest me. Its fine. There have been reports from multiple journalists who were saying, police fired tees gas. Msnbc. Com tremane lee was caught in the chaos before he went on the air with Lawrence Odonnell<\/a>. I can barely breathe. My nose is burning, my lungs are burning. My eyes are burning. I just cant escape it. The further back you go, it still hangs in the air and so it looks like the police have taken over completely at the end of the street, but again, far down the street the clouds of tear gas are engulfing everything and just a few seconds ago, after about five minutes another stun grenade went off and so theyre still firing off and again, my entire face from my nose and my lips and my eyes is all burning and its almost on fire and so i can imagine what people that are actually in it feel. I watched mr. Lees riveting testimony last night live there on the Lawrence Odonnell<\/a> show. Msnbc. Com National Reporter<\/a> trymaine lee and who have both been on the scene in ferguson, missouri. Are other reporters feeling nervous about the situation escalating further like it it did last night . I think at this point, earlier this morning it was the calm after the storm and already people are starting to gather. You can hear behind me the horns are honking and people are still chanting, but with all of the leaders in the country with their eyes focused on ferguson and with the world watching and with all of the media surrounding this town to see how it will go next, with will politicians saying that now is the time for peace and its time to demilitarize the situation, you know, people hope that it will be calm, but once night falls who knows what will happen . I was always thinking why dont people protest during the day . They have jobs. They have to go to work and they have to come home and be able to express their own amendment rights to protest. President obama met with eric holder and now the department of justice is offering tactics. Is obama doing enough . Thats not really my place to say, but i was at the Community Meeting<\/a> where Community Leaders<\/a> were talking about the Police Response<\/a> last night. The people who were out here they just said it was too intense. Assault rifles on the streets and armed personnel carriers freaked people out and its drawn the attention of National Politicians<\/a> now and ive spoken with some ferguson residents since the the politicians have made their statements today, and there does seem to be a sense that National Politicians<\/a> and statelevel politicians are paying attention to them, but theyre uncertain about whats going to happen tonight. Its contingent on what the police do when the conflict tends to come with them. Let me try with you. Is president obama doing enough . Was that a sufficient answer he gave or addressing the situation in a way that would reduce the palpable tension that you feel there . When it comes to matters of president obama weighing in, particularly in these racially fraught cases, we know that everyone is not going to be satisfied. He was criticized after the Trayvon Martin<\/a> killing that he dragged his feet for days and weeks until he said that could have been my son. Even though the racial element is here its not stinging here the same way it did the in the zimmerman case. That protesters need not be attacking police, but also Law Enforcement<\/a> needs to, you know, step carefully, i think hes doing something. Hes letting everyone know that hes paying attention and hes on vacation at marthas vineyard. He had to come out and say something. It doesnt look good whether youre on vacation and an American City<\/a> is urn siege and you dont say anything. It doesnt look right. What does the family say about the vilence . No one wants it the violenced no one believes it will solve anything. Even though everyone understands the frustration and the anger thats been bubbling up in so many people and if you want to honor Michael Brown<\/a>s life and legacy and what his death might mean in the bigger sense about young, black men, their lives and interactions with police then do it peacefully. And there are National Civil<\/a> Rights Groups<\/a> and the hope is that now theyll use all of this good energy and all of these young people have maintained and continue to maintain and use it for some positive way and some way to figure out how to make the mostity on out of the system. Ferguson police chief was asked about the brutality from police. Heres his response from the news conference. I understand that the other side of that is there is gun fire and there are firebombs being thrown at the police, and i understand that what it looks like is not good. The whole situation is not good at this point. You know, matt, sometimes people may believe that were seeing a world split apart by different perceptions and nobody there with cameras or anything has captured the picture of crowds fire am booing the police and the like. Whats your reaction to what the police chief said . Well, in the two or three nights that ive been here, there are protesters with guns out here and ive spoken with the Ferguson Police<\/a> chief and after the the first night of riots and looting sunday night, that was the only night that there was looting, he said that there were three shots fired at him in the walmart parking lot. I spoke with the st. Louis county police chief last night that said they were hearing of more reports of gun fire and no one has been hit thankfully and the chief did say that there was an officer who had broken his ankle after a protester hit him with a brick. So there is reports of violence out here. I havent personally seen it myself, but the problem with the scene that it is so spread out and so chaotic that its impossible for any reporter sitting in one place to know everything thats going on and something youll find that people in this community will tell you is the people that use that kind of violence are not representative of them, but people do believe that there are a few bad actors out there. Sure. You know, trymaine, one of the unfortunate consequences when you capture a community frozen in time that the outbursts they might unjustifiab unjustifiable and theyre demonize, but how are the people treating you in the community. Ive gotten a level of hospitality and under the circumstances of an outpouring of support in trying to tell their story. The police were launching tear gas canisters and our faces felt like they were on fire and people were comforting each other and on canfield and the scene of the killings and a group of young ladies and i followed them back to the winding roads in the neighborhood and got back to the area of my car. I was on a car with Lawrence Odonnell<\/a> on the phone or chris hayes, and i said im out here, im at the scene of the killing and i can still the tear gas is still burning my face. A guy came out of his house and i heard you, and i heard that you were right out here. Brought me in and gave me a glass of water and let me charge my phone and offered me dinner. His wife made dinner and offered me dinner and he got in his car and i followed him out of the neighborhood. And there was talk earlier before things unraveled about how can they turn this into some economic means. How can they withhold economic support. They dont necessarily feel they have the agency to affect political change and theyre having these conversations and there are prayer circles and theres been a lot of love despite the fact theres been so much violence and theyve been full of tear gas and violence. Sure, matt and trymaine, as well. I want to ask matt first and i want your responses. Congressman asked to declare martial law. My own feeling is right now is that president obama should use the authority of his office to declare martial law. Federalize the Missouri National<\/a> guard to protect people as they protest. Matt and trymaine, whats your reaction to that . Well, i dont know if thats going to happen. Governor nixon announced a little bit earlier that the Missouri State<\/a> Highway Patrol<\/a> would be taking over crowd control at this point and the man he wants to lead that effort is africanamerican, and thats something that a lot of people in this community cite as one of the reasons that these scenes are upsetting to them. Its predominantly africanamerican people in the street, overwhelmingly white Police Officer<\/a>s, you know, holding the weapons against them. So, you know, whats going to happen tonight . I dont know. They dont know. A lot of people tell me its contingent on who shows up and what happens. As you know as you know, michael, Community Leaders<\/a> would say more Law Enforcement<\/a> isnt the answer. Lets remember what brought us here in the first place. A young, unarmed teenager was shot ask killed by the police and there are still so many questions surrounding that. We dont know if it it was justified or not and its not pointing in the direction and we dont know enough to make that decision and it goes back to chicago and people are talking about bringing the National Guard<\/a> in. Lock it down and treat people respectfully . That would be the question people in the community would ask and to oppress them and subjugate them . That would be the fear. Who knows . Trymaine lee, matt pierce, thanks for your time tonight. Thank you. Coming up, president obama joined the chorus of politicians calling for peaceful resolutions in ferguson. Plus protests brought it it front and center. The Rapid Response<\/a> panel as the community searches for answers. Discover card. Hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico\u00ae credit score. Yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. Good. I hate surprises. Surprise at discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card and see your fico\u00ae credit score. Even 10 miles away. They can see the light of a single candle. Look after them with centrum silver. Multivitamins for your eyes, heart and brain. Now, with a new easy to swallow coating. If energy could come from anything . Or if power could go anywhere . Or if light could seek out the dark . What would happen if that happens . Anything. Welcome back to the ed show. As unrest continues in ferguson, missouri, following the death of michael brun. President obama weighed in on the the the situation this afternoon. Today i would lake all of us to take a step back and think about how we are going to be moving forward. When Something Like<\/a> this happens the local author onities including police have the responsibility to be open and transparent about how theyre investigating that death and how theyre protectioning the people in their communities. Now is the time for healing. Now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. Now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done. President obama has also been in contact with attorney general eric holder and asked the department of justice and the fbi to independently investigate the shooting. Ferguson mayor james knoll says theyre looking to forge better relations with the community, but suggests this problem is not specific to his town. We hope that from here on out we can continue to work with young men in our community and other communities to have better relations not only with the community, but with our Law Enforcement<\/a> officers and Law Enforcement<\/a> officers across the country because this is not a ferguson problem. This is a national problem. The spotlight on ferguson brings back the conversation about violence about africanamerican youth and as these incidents continue there needs to be more than talk. There needs to be action from our leaders beginning with the white house. For more, im joined by assistant professor of African Studies<\/a> at the university of pennsylvania and Goldie Taylor<\/a>, msnbc contributor and columnist for the grillo. Com. Will president obamas comments today have an effect on the ground and do you think he set the right framework as smart as he is, africanamerican as he is to understand whats happening there . I watched the whole press conference and i was struck by the difference in rhetoric between his discussion about american u. S. Military intervention in iraq and the ways in which the president as well as tsupporting the religios minority and its not something he wants to do, but hes decided we have to do. The the tone and the rhetoric around ferguson is very different. Hes not asking for a military intervention. Its a conversation that he wants us to continue to have around race and he has said that holder should go in the Justice Department<\/a> and fbi to continue the investigation. So on one hand, i think, you know, people are applauding the fact that hes come out twice and hes come out ahead of the missouri governor which is really an unexplainable at this point and at the same time hes had so many conversations about this topic, and so, obviously, it it hasnt necessarily changed the way Police Officer<\/a>s look at africanamerican youth. It hasnt changed the way that prief the at citizens look at black youth and so, i think there needs to be a much more substantial and much more rigorous, not just conversation, but at this point, real policy thats directed towards protecting our most vulnerable citizens. What about that, Goldie Taylor<\/a> . The conversation has been critical and insightful and interesting, but the the doctor is talking about Public Policy<\/a> and beyond that and intervention. In iraq, a Minority Community<\/a> is being besieged by forces attempted by undermine it and youve been right there on the ground is under siege as well. Should the president be more aggressive about intervening and not believing that hes a bystander and a participant politically in terms of Public Policy<\/a> . Frankly, this president is in a position of being damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. There is no statement that he could have issued today that would have given a Perfect Pitch<\/a> that would have assuaged or made people feel good on both sides of this. What i do take issue with is whats happened in the most recent press conference with the governor and other officials in missouri. There seem to be an awful lot of finning are wagging at the citizens and those people engaged in peaceful protests and not nearly any for those officers who may be guilty of human rights abuses who may be guilty violating their oath was office and no real measures that says that tomorrow well take a look back and take an honest look at those behaviors and hold people accountable for those options and that kind of level is frank lly appalling. Journalists were hampered last e evening and had their rights violated and people who dont carry a press badge were tear gassed and shot in their own yards with rubber bullets. We have to take an honest look at those things, and i hope that attorney general holder will do what we know that he is capable of and take a very hard look at this investigation in term of the death of Michael Brown<\/a>, but also choose to investigate the Police Forces<\/a> in charge of securing these communities. In light of what ms. Taylor said, are we giving obama a pass because if were holding them responsible, he hooz tgiven wha taylor has indicated and i think thoroughly so, we should hold president obama to a higher standard to set the tone here to make sure that plaque liblack l respected and that those people to the right of Peaceful Assembly<\/a> are protected as well. Representative john lewis asked for the National Guard<\/a> to be present. He wasnt asking for more militarization and sense of what we are current bely seeing and they had to call kennedy and johnson to protect from the white, racist citizens as well as local officials. So the call for a stronger federal presence both in terms of the National Guard<\/a> and also, its these individual cases on their own are horrific, but over the last year, much less last two years and the last history of american criminalization of black youth, this is a cumulative effect and so what i think people are i hope we dont lose sight of the fact of the numbers of young black people piling up is not just a tragedy, but at this point itsits a huge problem for american democracy and back to fdr and his refusal to pass the lynching bill, and i would hope that this is not seen as obamas legacy on race, but i think its up to us citizens and ultimately the president of the United States<\/a> to figure out what his legacy on race will be and what policies and interventions he wants to make today and using the government to do that. What about that, Goldie Taylor<\/a> in the cumulative impact of black mortality and black youth under siege. What more can be done to leverage the authority of that particular office to intervene in specific fashion on the events that we see going on here not only today because as dr. Tillet said over the last two or three years. Frankly change has to happen at the Community Level<\/a> for us to sort of parachute in with advocacy and try to plant these seeds and create movements wont be sustainable unsless and until we can partner with those communities and those people on the street venting their frustrations and unless we can partner with them directly to sow the seeds of change. Goldie taylor. Remember lbj, Linden Baines Johnson<\/a> was involved in the white house to set the tone. But remember, Lyndon Johnson<\/a> gave speeches from the white house saying we would intervene, and john f. Kennedy insisting we will do something here. You are right in terms of forging links with the local community, but often the federal government had to intervene because the local municipalities were not paying attention to the civil rights of the local people there. I went to high school there. Its not either or, but a both and a tone set for the white house and action and organization to be taken in the street. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Coming up, rick snyder tries to be a man of the people and fails miserably. Plus, were takinga i closer look at the history of Excessive Force<\/a> used by the police, but income, im taking your questions and ask ed live is just ahead. Stay tuned. [ male announcer ] when you see everyone in america almost every day, you notice a few things. Like the fact that youre pretty attached to these. Ok, really attached. And thats alright. Because well text you when your package is on the way. Were even expanding sunday package delivery. Yes, sunday. At the u. S. Postal service, our priority is. Was. 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When we need the surveillance cameras theyre never well. Young plaque life is oversurveilled. We can apply this to africanamerican people. We are oversurveilled. The whirly bird or the helicopter of the police is assaulting our neighborhoods and looking at youth and everywhere we go we are being under scrutiny and surveillance. The problem is its not to our advantage and we have to find the omnipresent camera to our political and social ask how about this, our survival advantage. Our next question is from juddson. Is there anything republicans wont use for political fodder . I dont know. It dont seem like its much. They use anything they can to have an advantage and we have to do it in a way that is helpful to the majority of people who are a part of this nation. I dont have much trust in the republicans. Im Hampton Pearson<\/a> with your cnbc market wrap. Stocks gained ground despot some weakerthanexpected economic data. 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He suffered from obesity a. He reportedly suffers from Mental Illness<\/a> got in a confrontation with two officers and reached for one officers gun. They all fell to the ground and when both officers fired on ford. This comes as the situation in ferguson, missouri, continues to worsen. Outrage continues to report over the Police Shooting<\/a> death of unarmed Michael Brown<\/a>. Last night marked the fourth night in a row between clashes between police and demonstrators. Police in ferguson hardly looked like police anymore. Theyre armed with militarystyle assault rifles and dressed in mill tarstyle camouflage. They dont resemble anyones typical view of a Police Officer<\/a>. Officers in ferguson look like theyre straight off the battlefield in afghanistan. Joining me now is the Rapid Response<\/a> panel and social activist reverend marcia dyson and Kimberly Crenshaw<\/a> and ring of fire radio host and americas attorney mike papantonio. Do you see the overpolicing of america getting worse . Whats happening is a snapshot of this new militarized Police Culture<\/a> thats sweeping through small towns particularly throughout the south, michael. What were seeing is the average of the dixieland Commando Police<\/a> force that at first appears to be a barney fife kind of humor except this its so tragic. These militarized toys of war dont belong in the hands of police in a town with a population of 20,000 people and small town Police Forces<\/a> shouldnt be encouraged or equipped to play dressup in commando, ninja outfits and armed with bear cat, armored tactical war vehicles and helicopters and mineresistant attack vehicles. This paramilitary equipment and this Small Town Police<\/a> organization of ferguson, they have no no reason to have this. All it it does is it escalates the tragedy thats always already taken place. Most of these characters are not properly trained and marginally qualified to even know when to use an ak47 and shot grenades and battering rams. Its out of control because we armed them like theyre a part of a ninja police force. What can we do for the police to tamp down and ratchet back on what theyre doing so both sides can participate in a peaceful demonstration. I really felt when i was watching the television it was an episode from the heat of the night when he talked about small town minded business of Police Officer<\/a>s and when you talk about this was not the first incident on the backs of young plaque men ablack men and cultural sensitivity and there are still obviously some authorities who think that black men are not under the auspices of the flag thats supposed to unite us. We have to remember a few months ago a New Hampshire<\/a> Police Official<\/a> called the the man in the white house that he met the criteria of being an n and a nonentity tp what do we think of Police Officer<\/a>s who are not trained in communities such as ferguson. And cliven bundy and you have a guy with armed weaponry telling the police come on at me and we have conversations and we have to remember waco. So it depends on who has the weapons and more importantly, our children cant wear a hoodie and they cant put their hands in the air and this revolution is being televised. Kimberly crenshaw, the Police Officer<\/a>s look like soldiers. The aesthetic representation of the police itself is offensive and intimidating. So talk to us about that and pick up on what marcia is talking about with cliven bundy and his people are coming with guns drawn and well murder them and like marcia said they get pizza and we cant get piece of mind from whats going on. The one thing we can say at this moment is this is the official end of postracialism. Seeing those militarized weapons against the africanamerican community, it is the embodiment of something thats been going on for several years. The militarization of what we thought was going to be the peace dividend turns out to be a movement to shock, awe and constraint in community of color. So now we have a situation where people are actually using weapons of black destructiodest quite frankly, with no oversight whatsoever and this is coming from the federal government and theyre grants given to these small communities to carry on the war on drugs. Theres no constitutional oversight. Our Supreme Court<\/a> has said that the Fourth Amendment<\/a> does not pried protection against racialized policing. So this is the consequence of a punishment industry. Our communities are traumatized. I was having lunch with the editor in chief of a very famous womans magazine and she has two young sons and she said i woke up this morning crying for my children and the children everywhere especially young black men that theyre suffering from posttraumatic stress and even though theyre in the confines of United Nations<\/a> compound, they still are traumatized and our children and our communities are traumatized with this kind of violence. How about that, mike . The trauma that marcia speaks about is very real and the ptsd and the warlike events as professor crenshaw speaks about is incredibly hard. Is it hard to take legal action against police who abuse their power the way they have been . Its not. You have to be willing to do it. Somebody in that Community Needs<\/a> to do it. The issue comes down to the program 1033 that was just talked about where the federal government is arming these characters, sending them helicopters and sending them assault vehicles and send ak47s and the point is all of these characters take on this bruce willis wanna be, this Arnold Schwarzenegger<\/a> wanna be, shaved heads, goatees, guns strapped to every appendage of their body because thats what they think policing is supposed to be and when you give a big sledgehammer to these people, people on the street always look like a nail and these characters are always willing to use that sledgehammer across the heads of the nail, and thats whats happening. Federal government is just as much responsible as those police for giving them this stuff. No doubt about that. Recently, Howard University<\/a> students tweeted out a picture of solidarity with mike brown and the community there in st. Louis, with their hands held up and what do you make about that, kimberly and mark . . You cant put your hands up high enough now a days and thats the reality and the other thing we have to recognize is the entire community is being inundated by this. Theres the case of Tamika Wilson<\/a> who is a black Woman Holding<\/a> a 14monthold child when the s. W. A. T. Team came in trying to serve a search warrant for a drug offense with her boyfriend and they shot her dead, a 7yearold girl in detroit. Men, women and children in our community are having their lives put on the line by this overmilitarization. And not only overmilitarization of the Police Department<\/a> and the barney fife attitude. We need andy griffin kind of compassion and not of the barney five scenario with people that understand the culture differences and the stress and both communities are having around the nation. No doubt, thank you so much. Coming up, rick snyders michigans water problem lands him in tonights pretenders. 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A lot of people look at you, governor snyder, and they go, heres the rich nerd whos always had it well because hes never been impacted by this flooding stuff. I have been through a lot of things like that, frank. We had holes in the roof from storm damage to our lake house in terms of yeah, we have a vacation place. We had a limb come down, put holes in the roof. Had water running through the whole place. Those experiences arent pleasant ones. Yeah, the vacation crib got some holes t. Governor compared widespread damage in homes with the leaky roof in a vacation house. If snyder thinks running his house is consolation for running water, he can keep on pretending. Since robert taira openedsion kings hhis first bakeryd, in a small hawaiian town. Making bread so good, that people bought two loaves one to take home, and one to eat on the way. So good, they grew from here. To here. To here. But to grow again, to the east coast they needed a new factory, but where . 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This historic move comes as the United States<\/a> called for a more inclusive government in iraq. Meanwhile president obama updated americans about the Current Crisis<\/a> in iraq today. The president said the United States<\/a> is making progress in its targeted military objectives. He made clear the situation is improving for thousands of ethnic minorities trapped in the sinjar mountain mountains. In the last week the United States<\/a> military delivered more than 114,000 meals and 35,000 gallons of fresh water. Yesterday a small team of americans military and civilian completed their review of the conditions on the mountain. They found food and water have been reaching those in need and that thousands of people have been evacuating safely each and every night. The civilians who remain continue to leave, aided by Kurdish Forces<\/a> and yazidis helping to facilitate the safe passage of their families. So the bottom line is that the situation on the mountain has greatly improveded and americans should be very proud of our efforts. The president went on to say no u. S. Mission will be needed to evacuate remaining people on the mountain. Meanwhile the military will continue to conduct air strikes to conduct military advise rs and facilities in iraq. The United States<\/a> will continue to provide assistance fighting isis. Let me bring in colonel jack jacobs, medal of oh honorer recipient and msnbc analyst. What did the u. S. Strikes do today . Did they help our situation in sinjar or not . All strikes do. Our oh military people are looking through intelligence to find pockets of isis, amrat trucks, gun trucks, machine guns, groups of isis soldiers and platoon size and strike with precisionguided munitions. That usually will keep them away. Having said that, its okay for today, maybe yesterday and maybe tomorrow. The president said not so fast, well be at it for a while. We are. There are people who are suspicious. They think, adviser is really a soldier doing the same thing. What is their function on the ground . Whoever said it is correct. I spent a long time in vietnam as an adviser. I advised the second battalion, Senior Adviser<\/a> to the first vietnamese Airborne Division<\/a>. I spent almost 100 of my time fighting bad guys. Yeah. I gave advice to my counterpart. I controlled air strikes, assisted them in teaching him how to train his people. At the end of the day, when you get into combat the adviser is in combat alongside troops hes advising. Make no mistake, we dont have a bunch of people with typewriters out there who at the first sign of incoming fire will run for the bunker. Thats not going to happen. Is this the creep people are worried about . The boot ps on the ground through advisers and what happens is we get more and more there . I dont think so. I think we are liable to have more advisers there. I think it goes without saying as peshmerga gets better. Is it really better. You will have more advisers, special forces people to train the indigenous forces to do well. It does not mean we are sending the 82nd Airborne Division<\/a> there, second armored division. Conventional troops arent going there. I say that because im in charge. Im not. Anything might change. When the president says no not boots on the ground hes talking about only having special Operations Forces<\/a> and no conventional forces. Will eye isis change techniques of fighting . Yeah. Theyre not going oh assemble like they did. They will pull away from areas like sinjar, erbil and population centers. When they mass we blow them up. They have to go back to the drawing board. I believe what they are going to do is eventually the United States<\/a> will get tired and leave or peshmerga is going to get tired and wont be as good as they are going to do. They will bide their time and eventually they will be back and well send in more air strikes. All right. Colonel jack jacobs breaking it down so everybody can understand. Thats the ed show. Politics nation with reverend al sharpton starts now. Good evening. Good evening. Thanks to you for tuning in. Breaking news out of oh ferguson, missouri. A major announcement from governor jay nixon. After days of unrest following the death of unarmed teenager Michael Brown<\/a>, the headline tonight, the Missouri State<\/a> Highway Patrol<\/a> will take over supervising security in ferguson. The governor moved to restore calm saying hes making a change an operational shift. This is the place are where people work, go to school, raise your families, go to church. A diverse community. A missouri community. Lately its looking more like a war zone. Thats not acceptable. We need to address immediate challenges. 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