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also this morning, times up for the face of afghanistan's trials and many troubles, as afghanistan gets ready to pick a new leader. we're going to go live to kabul for the latest. plus, hobby lobbying the pope. find out what a top health care antagonist told us that the pope told him about his company's supreme court case. happy friday from washington. it's april 4th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." we'll have more today of our interview with louisiana governor bobby jindal and his potentially very massive change to the health care system that he's proposing. we'll also have an update on the ft. hood shooting coming up in a few minutes. but we begin with the developing news on the march jobs report. one analyst called it a goldilocks report, not too hot, not too cold. instead, it came in right about even with the so-called expectations. 192,000 jobs were added in march. the unemployment rate stayed the same, 6.7%. we saw significant revisions over the previous two months. january's numbers were revised up from 129,000 to 144,000. and february was revised up from 175,000 to 197,000. that makes the last few months look a little better. and it starts to make december's and january's numbers look a little bit more like an outlier. still, this is the acceleration that a lot of economists thought could kick in as for this economic recovery. as for business and professional services, up 57,000. food services up 30,000. both construction and health care sectors added 19,000 jobs each. and once again, it's the government, mostly state and local, that lost jobs, 9,000 this month. one final note. according to the labor department, the private sector has now recovered all of the 8.8 million jobs that were lost during the recession. but, of course, we have the population adds, and that's why we're still a little bit behind where we should be. we're going to have jason furman from the white house to get the first reaction. to my first reads of the morning. for that, we're leading off in a afghanistan where more than 33,000 american soldiers are still on the front lines of a war that's lasted more than a dozen years. of course, what some still call today the forgotten war. tomorrow, millions of afghans will vote in a landmark election to name hamid karzai's successor, and when they do, the nation will brace for a critical test to watch to see if the first true transfer of power can actually take place. a test that, if successful, could help ease concerns about whether america's longest war was truly worth it. voting starts in less than 14 hours. some 200,000 afghan forces will fan out nationwide to try to secure about 7,000 major polling locations around the country. the taliban has tried to undermine this election by launching a series of attacks in and around kabul, as well as threatening election-related activities. about 10% of the polling stations are expected to be closed due to security concerns. now, to ensure that the vote is credible, afghan's independent election commission has registered more than 200,000 monitors to help oversee that process. that's right. 200,000 monitors. although it's unclear how many of those monitors will actually show up today. the goal, though, is to avoid a repeat of 2009 when it seemed as if karzai's re-election victory wasn't so on the up-and-up, marred by massive fraud and ballot-stuffing. more than a million votes, about 20% of all ballots cast, were thrown out. that a democracy doth not make. the chief opponent in that race is back for another shot in 2014. in fact, this time, he's considered one of the front-runners, along with two others, former afghan minister rasoul, believed to be karzai's favorite, and gaughanny, who spent several years living and working in the united states. >> we need to honor president karzai for the historic role of transferring power so that the successors -- me and others -- will follow the path that we can live and honor in dignity in our country, and that transfer of power becomes routine. >> although he will no longer be president, karzai will likely remain synonymous with a war that's cost more than 2,300 american lives and split the united states over the question of whether this war itself was even worth it. karzai has been in charge for 12 years. he was the appointed leader in 2002. at the time, the u.s. government welcomed him with open arms. >> i am honored to stand by the first democratically elected leader in the 5,000-year history of afghanistan. congratulations. >> thank you, sir. >> karzai had a strong rapport with president bush. that hasn't been the case with president obama. their relationship has been strained, almost from the very beginning, despite the president's bid to curb violence and speed up afghan military training by announcing a surge of 30,000 additional troops in 2009. by the following year, though, karzai was criticizing the u.s. counterinsurgency operation, blaming american air strikes for afghan casualties. in an exclusive interview with nbc in 2012, he suggested the war from his view of things hadn't been worth the sacrifice. >> some people profited more, some did much less. but it did not bring security to afghanistan. and as i said earlier, in parts of the country, it made it worse. >> the most recent point of contention has been karzai's refusal to sign a bilateral security agreement, something that president obama says is a prerequisite if he allows u.s. troops to stay in afghanistan beyond the end of 2014. >> it will not be possible for us to have any kind of u.s. troop presence post-2014 without assurances that our men and women who are operating there are in some ways subject to the jurisdiction of another country. >> interestingly, the issue of the bsa may be solved by simply waiting out the clock. while karzai is opposed to it, all three of the leading candidates to replace him say they will sign it. but time is of the essence. remember, we're talking about a country where despite the fact that some people can research the candidates online, others will have their ballots returned to kabul by donkey. it's expected to take six weeks for the election results to be announced. and oh, by the way, if no candidate gets more than 50%, it goes to a runoff in late may. guess what? it's likely to go to a runoff. and that means we may not get a winner until mid-summer, and, of course, the more time it takes to set up a new government, the less time there is to determine the nature of america's mission going forward. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins me now from kabul. also with me from new york is "time" magazine's international editor bobby ghosh. afghanistan is the current story on the cover of "time." what kind of position is the country in to hold a national election? >> violence has been increasing over the last several days with attacks focusing on election officials, and then today, there was this horrific attack in which two journalists from the associated press were shot. one of them german photographer, enya neederhaus, was killed. they were traveling with a convoy of officials as they were delivering ballots. the journalists were in the back of the car. in addition to the german photographer, a.p. writer kathy gannon was also in the car. and while they were waiting in the backseat, this convoy being protected by afghan security forces, an afghan police officer walked up to the vehicle, started shouting, "allah akbar" and opened fire. the german photographer was killed, she was 48 years old. she died instantly. kathie gannon was shot at least twice, and she is in stable condition. she has been transferred to bagram air base outside of kabul. the afghan police officer dropped his weapon and then turned himself in to afghan security forces. so that -- that terrible event today shows just how unstable this country is, but officials say the elections are going to go ahead and polls will open tomorrow morning. >> and, richard, just to emphasize, this was somebody that was assigned to protect this convoy that turned fire? >> there was a -- this convoy, with election officials, delivering ballots, and it was protected by afghan security forces. they arrived at the provincial -- a provincial district center in host, and the afghan police officer, a second lieutenant, actually a senior police officer in the area, came out and opened fire. and it's not clear if he was with the convoy traveling, or if he joined the convoy in host. but he was a well-known police officer. he himself has been transferred to a different police station, is being questioned in host province. >> all right. bobby, i want to go to the bigger picture here of the election that we're watching. does the united states have a favorite, or at this point, just getting a democratic elected replacement for karzai is a victory in and of itself? >> not just a democratically elected one, but one with a wide mandate from the people. that's the most crucial thing. if the u.s. has a favorite, it automatically jinxes that person by making it clear that they have a favorite. not only that, it also jinxes the entire process, because a big part of the taliban's propaganda is that this entire democratic process is a sham, because it is controlled by the u.s. in fact, it is what undermined karzai greatly at the start of his second term, in addition to the obvious problems with the election itself. the taliban was able to go out, particularly into the country side, and say, look, you voted for somebody else, the united states wanted karzai there, and they faked the election in order for him to win. so the u.s. has been very cautious, rightly so, in not stating any kind of preference. that's the smart call. >> you know, richard, i'm curious, what kind of influence does karzai want to have on his successor? >> well, it's very hard to know. karzai still wants to become -- wants to remain a relevant figure. he wants to be sort of a president emeritus, and he's built a palace for himself adjoining to the current presidential compound, and he plans to live there. it's unclear if he will have any kind of advisory role, but he still wants to stay in power, although not directly with executive authority, but someone who is at least consulted. it might not work out that way. it really depends on which of the three leading candidates wins. abdullah abdullah, very unlikely to give him sean role. but the speculation here, or what analysts have told us here, is that if razul wins, he might try and stay close to karzai, which would keep him in the loop. >> and, bobby, the importance of obviously all three of the figures have said they would sign this agreement, but the longer we go, i mean, i think it's -- it would be shocking if somehow there wasn't a runoff at this point. going to the summer, what does that mean for whatever -- even if they sign the agreement, what does that really mean for what the united states could actually do beyond 2014? >> well, look, i'm sure the plans are already on paper, exactly what the u.s. wants, the kind of -- the sort of presence, the footprint that president obama wants to maintain in afghanistan. i'm sure all of that has been gone over with excruciating detail over and over again. and if all of the three candidates have essentially signed off on the idea of signing the bsa, then this is -- this is all a matter of just dotting the ts and -- dotting the is and crossing the ts. it's a question of timing. but i don't think that we'll be starting cold from the day the agreement is signed. i think most of the wheels that need to be in motion are already in motion, because it's -- now that karzai is going, there's no real strong opposition within the key political constituencies to this idea of an agreement. >> all right, bobby and richard. richard, stay safe. i'm glad you were able to tell us a lot about the two journalists were, brave journalists, one dead, one recovering, the best to her and the best to our friends at the associated press. thank you, both. next, we're going to go live to ft. hood for the very latest on that tragic shooting. what we're learning now about the shooter and the victims. first, a look ahead at today's "politics planner." in washington, folks, if you want to get anything done with anybody, you better do it either before 1:00 or after 5:00, because guess what? it's opening day at nationals park. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. want to give your family more vitamins, omega 3s, and less saturated fat? it's eb. eggland's best eggs. better taste. better nutrition. better eggs. it's eb. better eggs. these days, everything is done on the internet. and tomorrow you'll do even more. that's what comcast business was built for. slow dsl from the phone company was built for stuff like this. switch to comcast business internet. then add voice and tv for just $34.90 more per month. and you'll be ready for tomorrow today. comcast business. built for business. we're learning more about the gunman, the victims, and what the pentagon plans to do next after that mass shooting at ft. hood. the second one in five years at that base. investigators now say that army specialist ivan lopez shot his victims at random. he killed three and wounded 16 before turning a gun on himself. wednesday, investigators also said that lopez had an unstable psychiatric condition. investigators have questioned lopez's wife, seen here, in the gray shirt, and they've searched the lopez home. it turns out lopez bought his gun at the same store where the other ft. hood gunman in 2009 bought his weapon, and there's word of a possible motive. >> there may have been a verbal altercation with another soldier or soldiers, and there's a strong possibility that that, in fact, immediately preceded the shooting. we do not have that definitively at this point, but we do have strong indications of that. >> there's also news about the gunman's surviving victims. eight men and one woman were wounded, three are still in critical condition. six are serious but stable. and we now know the name of one of the three fatalities. sergeant timothy owens, a ten-year army veteran from illinois, who served in both iraq and kuwait. the army hasn't released the names of the other victims yet. meanwhile, pressure is intensifying in the highest levels of the pentagon to explain how a second mass shooting at the same base would occur within a five-year span. >> now, obviously something went wrong. i think it's important here that we all keep in mind, let the investigators do their work. we don't know what all the facts are. we know a lot of things 24 hours later, but we don't know everything. what happened? what motivated this person to do this? where was the gap? why did we have a gap? why did it happen? we will do everything possible to implement the kinds of reforms and fill those gaps and assure the security of the men and women who work for our armed forces, and assure their families. >> we're going to go to the pentagon in a moment, but i first want to go down to ft. hood with charles hadlock, my colleague down there from nbc. charles, we're getting more about the victims, a little bit more about the recovery efforts there, in the hospital there with those wounded. what more can you tell me? >> that's right. well, the fbi and the army are poring over ivan lopez's service record. he received three good conduct medals. they just can't explain what went wrong. now, the military commanders say, however, that lopez was being treated for anxiety, depression, and a sleep disorder, and that he was a candidate for receiving therapy for post-traumatic stress syndrome, although that has not been diagnosed for the man. it's not clear if that had anything to do with the shootings here on wednesday. lieutenant general mark miley did say, however, it is likely a verbal altercation led to the shootings on wednesday with a soldier or soldiers. now, that has been -- it has been reported, however, that lopez may have been upset over not getting enough time off to grieve for his mother, who died last november. but the army has not confirmed that report. chuck? >> all right, charles hadlock at ft. hood. charles, thank you very much. i want to go to jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. mik, now that we've seen the service record, you tell me. there's been some questions, like barry mccaffrey on yesterday, who seemed to say, boy, that soldier's been in there a long time, and he's not been promoted very often. that's a sign to him that maybe this guy wasn't a very good soldier. what say you? >> well, defense officials actually describe this lopez -- specialist lopez, as an underachiever. and throughout his 15-year career in the military, he really didn't draw much attention one way or the other. he had a clean record, so there were no black marks against his record. in other words, he wasn't a problem soldier. it's just that he was not a very high achiever. and in terms of the idea and the people we're talking to the idea that this one event that he couldn't stay long enough for his mother's funeral, that may have been a trigger. but he obviously had much deeper problems, because he complained of anxiety, sleep deprivation, and depression, so he was getting treatment for that. so there's a much bigger question here about what was the ultimate motive, and what they were talking about there may have been a trigger. >> you know, mik, it does seem as if now, the military is painting him as having massive mental health problems. but that certainly wasn't the case before this shooting. >> well, again, he was seeking mental health, but it wasn't the kind of treatment that rose to the level that his commanders would be aware of it, because the psychiatrist who looked -- who treated him said he saw -- he saw no indication that he was going to be violent or that he was a danger to himself or any others. and, you know, all those questions that defense secretary hag hagel asked a few moments ago, those are good questions. but there are hard answers. the idea you'll lock down a city of 50,000 at ft. hood, who come in and out of that gate every day, and, what, search everybody, send them through a magnetometer to make sure they don't have a weapon? there are no easy answers. that's why, i think, we haven't seen very strict controls on the perimeter of that base following the massacre in 2009. >> but, mik, you keep saying that you would be surprised if everybody's put through a magnetometer, the place you work, everybody is. >> that's not true -- we -- we have to swipe through with a card, but we don't go through magnetometers. visitors without a passmagnetom. >> but do you think that's coming to a base near you? >> who knows? some security people here think that may be the future. they don't think it will happen anytime soon. and quite frankly, there are some people here in this building, in security, say, hey, it happen eed at ft. hood, it could happen here. >> right. m mik, thanks. they say they want to continue. both parties say they want to continue. neither party has said that they've called it off. but we're not going to sit there indefinitely. this is not an open-ended effort. never has been. so it's reality check time. >> kerry's been the most optimistic on this the whole time. if he's losing faith, this may be done. kerry is headed back to washington and says he will consult with the president on the next steps. u.s. officials say kerry was blindsided by israel's decision to cancel a prisoner relief, part of last summer's talks, and was disappointed for the membership of 15 international agencies over israeli opposition. up next, is it washington's brain drain? a special tdr look at the reality of this year's set of retirements that are a little bit different than previous years. and today's tdr 50 question of the day -- where was teddy roosevelt 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"we may not know which party will control the senate in 2015 or what the composition of the house will look like, but one thing we do know, centuries of legislative experience is leaving washington. for decades, committee chairmen were like political barrons, running almost independent of the senate and house leadership. boy, after the last decade, that's all changed. leadership runs everything and committee chairs have never had less influence, and many are simply throwing up their hands and leaving washington. former senate finance committee chairman, max backus, their efforts hardly made a ripple. 20 years ago, it would have been different. now, they're leaving. others are leaving congress, too. it's happening in both parties. today, a look at the end of the legislative era by the numbers. today, 23 house members are retiring, 13 republicans, 10 democrats, a total of 248 terms of experience are leaving the capitol before next year. that doesn't count members of congress who are stepping down to run for another office. you have six committee chairs and ranking members in the housecalling it quits. including camp, who served 12 terms, announced this week he won't run for re-election. armed services chair buck mckeon in washington for 11 terms. doc hastings calling it quits after ten, and mike rogers, announced last week that he is retiring after seven terms. powerful democrats who see the possibilities for chairmanships slipping away are heading for the exits. in case you didn't recognize him, this is california's george miller, talking with then new york congressman chuck schumer back in '87. miller's been a fixture here in washington for decades, but he's leaving d.c., and his post on the education and workforce committee after 20 terms. california congressman henry waxman, ranking member on energy and commerce retiring after 20 terms. you count the 13 members leaving the house to run for the senate, and four who are running for other offices, it means that more than six centuries of legislative experience will be gone next year. that's on top of the six members who have already resigned and won florida's bill young who passed away last year. two other congressmen, markey and scott, left the house to serve in the senate. the point is, all these legislative chairmanships want to bail. in the senate, the story is the same. the body is losing more than 23 teams of legislative experience, 142 years of know-how. seven senators are retiring or resigning, in the case of coburn, who will leave before the second term is up. a quarter of the senate committees are losing their chairman. five committee chairs or ranking members are calling it quits. michigan's carl levin is leaving after six terms. jay rockefeller, out after five. iowa's tom harken, also leaving. south dakota's tim johnson, putting down the banking committee's powerful gavel. georgia's chambliss is also stepping down. with three members resigning the seats already and the death of new jersey's frank lautenberg, means the senate is experiencing its largest turnover in 40 years. only 28 members of the current senate were in office before 2000, and that includes dan coates who served in the '80s and '90s, and then returned to the senate after the 2010 elections. next year, after levin, harkin, rockefeller leave, the number will be down to 24. the last members of what is a steadily shrinking old guard. and again, the idea of having a committy gavel anymore not the same motivation, because guess what, leadership runs everything, and these committee chairs have never felt more powerless. that's the real story of these retirements. up next, the tdr exclusive on the hobby lobby boss' chat with the pope. by the way, this is your last chance to vote who will go to the sweet 16 in our tdr bracket challenge. it's a good one. cast your votes. we'll unveil the winners on monday. we're getting close. remember, the presidential near-misses. live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that's good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that's good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. ♪ a pair of potential 2016 candidates on the republican side, jeb bush and bobby jindal, are joining forces to promote a new super pac, designed to spotlight a more popular version of the future. it's designed to jump-start newrepublican.org, a project focused on new ideas, not just criticizing the obama administration. jindal took a page from that book when he unveiled an alternative to the health care plan. among the highlights, massive reforms to medicare and medicaid. i asked him about his plan to cover folks with pre-existing conditions. all right, on pre-existing conditions, it's pretty clear to me that you are allowing some insurance companies to discriminate on pre-existing conditions, because you would have a special high-risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions. so i get on one hand you would have lower insurance premiums, because you'd allow insurance companies to essentially discriminate for pre-existing conditioning, because there would be a special high-risk pool. >> no, chuck -- chuck, that's actually not right. three things the plan does. one, it does guarantee renew abltd, so right now, you have to exhaust your cobra coverage, we would say if you -- >> guaranteed renewability, but not necessarily a company can't raise their premiums based on you being a higher risk. >> no, it does protect -- guaranteed renewability protects you from the premium spikes. you can't increase the premiums for that particular individual. what we're saying is we don't think the federal government should come in and do a one size fits all approach. we think states are better situated, so we give $100 billion, plus funding -- states get $10 billion before obamacare. obamacare reduced that. we're restoring the funding, telling states if they want the grants, they have to provide guaranteed coverage for those with pre-existing conditions and lower premiums in the individual market. they have to use this money to do that. we're not saying you can discriminate against those with pre-existing, we're just saying states are in a better position, we're giving them the funding to do it. and then, finally, so the reality is we're actually doing more to help those -- the president actually interrupted the guaranteed renewability through the obamacare plan, because of its effect on individual plans. on the fact that people lost the plans they were having before. so we're actually doing more to help those with people with pre-existing conditions, both through guaranteed renewability and the state grants and third, letting the states, requiring the states, to show they'll provide continuous coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. that was a legitimate concern pre-obamacare, i just think it was wrong -- i don't think the way to solve it was a one size fits all mandate that's increasing premiums by $2,100. cbo said it didn't reduce premiums. >> let me go on the last point here. there's a lot to get into. i want to go to medicare. you want to go to a premium support system. you're privatizing medicare. there's no other way to look at it. you want to make it more private insurance companies in the medicare system. >> no, chuck, that's still not right. if you read the plan, it says the government -- you continue to have access to the government run for fee service plan. >> but you're incentivizing -- you're trying to incentivize and create a private market inside the system. >> it's called medicare part c and d. medicare advantage already offers private plans. what we're saying is there are ways to allow the beneficiaries to save money. cbo said you could save taxpayers $15 million a year, and save beneficiaries 6% through out of pocket spending, with premium reform and medigap reforms, and get an out of pocket -- put that into medicare and save taxpayers $114 billion with medigap reform. so seniors can choose the program if they want. but with premium support, you're actually driving down taxpayer spending and saving beneficiaries significant dollars. the medigap reforms alone could save seniors hundreds of dollars per year in medigap premiums, plus give them protection. right now, there's no protection against out of pocket spending for the first time we'd put a limit on that. so it's a win-win for both seniors and taxpayers if they want it, they can still choose the government-run plan but now can save through efficient private plans. >> governor, we can wonk out all day, but the 30-second ad in your plan would be raises -- it raises taxes on individuals on their health plans, radically changes medicare, and makes it harder to get coverage if you're lower income. i can tell you what the 30-second attack ad on your plan would be true. >> and none of that -- >> politically, you're opening yourself up to some tough conversation. >> two things, none of that's true. it does not raise taxes. it reduces health care preem ups. it gives -- >> you're shifting the tax burden to the individual. you're giving them a deduction, but you are shifting the tax burden to the individual. >> no, chuck, that's not true. the deduction would actually allow them to actually put more dollars in their pockets. it's not -- this is absolutely not a tax increase. we're very, very careful about this. this repeals the obamacare taxes and spending. it does not increase federal government revenues compared to where we were before obamacare. so it does not -- let's be very clear, this is not a tax increase. it does give a generous deduction, more choice and power to the individual. it provides savings. you're right, the left will attack any republican plan. but the reality is, i think as conservatives, we have an obligation to show our principles are better. this gives affordability. this gives choice. it actually lowers health care spending. i think families -- look, the scores -- the analysis are clear, this would reduce premiums compared to where we are today, reduce it $5,000 for the average family, cover millions of people. the president in '08 said he was about reducing costs, not doing mandates. this fulfills that rhetoric. >> all right, governor bobby jindal, i have to leave it there. one of the few people in the republican party that's put out an alternative in extensive detail. folks can read it. we'll direct them to it. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, chuck. >> you got it. now to an interesting little tdr exclusive. while i was at the vatican last week, i stumbled on a collection of religious artifacts just yards away from the president's meeting with the pope. it turns out the exhibit is mostly owned, ready for this, by the hobby lobby family. that's right, the same family challenging the contraception mandate in the health care law. here's more of this story. when the president met with the pope last week, he downplayed the pope and the vatican's concerns about some of the president's social policiepolic especially the contraception mandate in the affordable care act. >> we actually did talk a lot about social schisms. >> reporter: if you needed more evidence of the vatican's interest in our politics, look no further than who the pope met with this week. the guy who is suing the president, steve green, the president of hobby lobby. >> he had mentioned the religious freedom issue that is a catholic issue, and he indicated it was the same concern that the catholic church had with concerns there in america, and i just thanked him for bringing that up with our president. >> reporter: while hobby lobby's lawsuit against the federal government over the employer contraception mandate made it to the supreme court last week, it wasn't politics that brought the hobby lobby family to the holy see. it turns out that while the president was being escorted by the swiss guard, next door a team was putting the finishing touches on a scholarly exhibit of 200 rare biblical texts, most of which are owned by the green family. in fact, their collection is the largest private collection of biblical artifacts in the world. >> so once i mentioned we'd be interested in buying some artifacts, they started bringing more opportunities to us, and one thing led to another, and then just within a few years we wound up having close to 40,000 items within the collection. >> reporter: the word of the lord exhibit is literally on st. peter's square and was opened to the public this week. it features pages from an original guttenberg bible, fragments of the dead sea scrolls, and even a tiny mic microfiche version of the tablet that went into space. and there was also a torah from china in the seventh century. the green family plans to open what they're calling a nonsectarian 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also this morning, times up for the face of afghanistan's trials and many troubles, as afghanistan gets ready to pick a new leader. we're going to go live to kabul for the latest. plus, hobby lobbying the pope. find out what a top health care antagonist told us that the pope told him about his company's supreme court case. happy friday from washington. it's april 4th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." we'll have more today of our interview with louisiana governor bobby jindal and his potentially very massive change to the health care system that he's proposing. we'll also have an update on the ft. hood shooting coming up in a few minutes. but we begin with the developing news on the march jobs report. one analyst called it a goldilocks report, not too hot, not too cold. instead, it came in right about even with the so-called expectations. 192,000 jobs were added in march. the unemployment rate stayed the same, 6.7%. we saw significant revisions over the previous two months. january's numbers were revised up from 129,000 to 144,000. and february was revised up from 175,000 to 197,000. that makes the last few months look a little better. and it starts to make december's and january's numbers look a little bit more like an outlier. still, this is the acceleration that a lot of economists thought could kick in as for this economic recovery. as for business and professional services, up 57,000. food services up 30,000. both construction and health care sectors added 19,000 jobs each. and once again, it's the government, mostly state and local, that lost jobs, 9,000 this month. one final note. according to the labor department, the private sector has now recovered all of the 8.8 million jobs that were lost during the recession. but, of course, we have the population adds, and that's why we're still a little bit behind where we should be. we're going to have jason furman from the white house to get the first reaction. to my first reads of the morning. for that, we're leading off in a afghanistan where more than 33,000 american soldiers are still on the front lines of a war that's lasted more than a dozen years. of course, what some still call today the forgotten war. tomorrow, millions of afghans will vote in a landmark election to name hamid karzai's successor, and when they do, the nation will brace for a critical test to watch to see if the first true transfer of power can actually take place. a test that, if successful, could help ease concerns about whether america's longest war was truly worth it. voting starts in less than 14 hours. some 200,000 afghan forces will fan out nationwide to try to secure about 7,000 major polling locations around the country. the taliban has tried to undermine this election by launching a series of attacks in and around kabul, as well as threatening election-related activities. about 10% of the polling stations are expected to be closed due to security concerns. now, to ensure that the vote is credible, afghan's independent election commission has registered more than 200,000 monitors to help oversee that process. that's right. 200,000 monitors. although it's unclear how many of those monitors will actually show up today. the goal, though, is to avoid a repeat of 2009 when it seemed as if karzai's re-election victory wasn't so on the up-and-up, marred by massive fraud and ballot-stuffing. more than a million votes, about 20% of all ballots cast, were thrown out. that a democracy doth not make. the chief opponent in that race is back for another shot in 2014. in fact, this time, he's considered one of the front-runners, along with two others, former afghan minister rasoul, believed to be karzai's favorite, and gaughanny, who spent several years living and working in the united states. >> we need to honor president karzai for the historic role of transferring power so that the successors -- me and others -- will follow the path that we can live and honor in dignity in our country, and that transfer of power becomes routine. >> although he will no longer be president, karzai will likely remain synonymous with a war that's cost more than 2,300 american lives and split the united states over the question of whether this war itself was even worth it. karzai has been in charge for 12 years. he was the appointed leader in 2002. at the time, the u.s. government welcomed him with open arms. >> i am honored to stand by the first democratically elected leader in the 5,000-year history of afghanistan. congratulations. >> thank you, sir. >> karzai had a strong rapport with president bush. that hasn't been the case with president obama. their relationship has been strained, almost from the very beginning, despite the president's bid to curb violence and speed up afghan military training by announcing a surge of 30,000 additional troops in 2009. by the following year, though, karzai was criticizing the u.s. counterinsurgency operation, blaming american air strikes for afghan casualties. in an exclusive interview with nbc in 2012, he suggested the war from his view of things hadn't been worth the sacrifice. >> some people profited more, some did much less. but it did not bring security to afghanistan. and as i said earlier, in parts of the country, it made it worse. >> the most recent point of contention has been karzai's refusal to sign a bilateral security agreement, something that president obama says is a prerequisite if he allows u.s. troops to stay in afghanistan beyond the end of 2014. >> it will not be possible for us to have any kind of u.s. troop presence post-2014 without assurances that our men and women who are operating there are in some ways subject to the jurisdiction of another country. >> interestingly, the issue of the bsa may be solved by simply waiting out the clock. while karzai is opposed to it, all three of the leading candidates to replace him say they will sign it. but time is of the essence. remember, we're talking about a country where despite the fact that some people can research the candidates online, others will have their ballots returned to kabul by donkey. it's expected to take six weeks for the election results to be announced. and oh, by the way, if no candidate gets more than 50%, it goes to a runoff in late may. guess what? it's likely to go to a runoff. and that means we may not get a winner until mid-summer, and, of course, the more time it takes to set up a new government, the less time there is to determine the nature of america's mission going forward. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins me now from kabul. also with me from new york is "time" magazine's international editor bobby ghosh. afghanistan is the current story on the cover of "time." what kind of position is the country in to hold a national election? >> violence has been increasing over the last several days with attacks focusing on election officials, and then today, there was this horrific attack in which two journalists from the associated press were shot. one of them german photographer, enya neederhaus, was killed. they were traveling with a convoy of officials as they were delivering ballots. the journalists were in the back of the car. in addition to the german photographer, a.p. writer kathy gannon was also in the car. and while they were waiting in the backseat, this convoy being protected by afghan security forces, an afghan police officer walked up to the vehicle, started shouting, "allah akbar" and opened fire. the german photographer was killed, she was 48 years old. she died instantly. kathie gannon was shot at least twice, and she is in stable condition. she has been transferred to bagram air base outside of kabul. the afghan police officer dropped his weapon and then turned himself in to afghan security forces. so that -- that terrible event today shows just how unstable this country is, but officials say the elections are going to go ahead and polls will open tomorrow morning. >> and, richard, just to emphasize, this was somebody that was assigned to protect this convoy that turned fire? >> there was a -- this convoy, with election officials, delivering ballots, and it was protected by afghan security forces. they arrived at the provincial -- a provincial district center in host, and the afghan police officer, a second lieutenant, actually a senior police officer in the area, came out and opened fire. and it's not clear if he was with the convoy traveling, or if he joined the convoy in host. but he was a well-known police officer. he himself has been transferred to a different police station, is being questioned in host province. >> all right. bobby, i want to go to the bigger picture here of the election that we're watching. does the united states have a favorite, or at this point, just getting a democratic elected replacement for karzai is a victory in and of itself? >> not just a democratically elected one, but one with a wide mandate from the people. that's the most crucial thing. if the u.s. has a favorite, it automatically jinxes that person by making it clear that they have a favorite. not only that, it also jinxes the entire process, because a big part of the taliban's propaganda is that this entire democratic process is a sham, because it is controlled by the u.s. in fact, it is what undermined karzai greatly at the start of his second term, in addition to the obvious problems with the election itself. the taliban was able to go out, particularly into the country side, and say, look, you voted for somebody else, the united states wanted karzai there, and they faked the election in order for him to win. so the u.s. has been very cautious, rightly so, in not stating any kind of preference. that's the smart call. >> you know, richard, i'm curious, what kind of influence does karzai want to have on his successor? >> well, it's very hard to know. karzai still wants to become -- wants to remain a relevant figure. he wants to be sort of a president emeritus, and he's built a palace for himself adjoining to the current presidential compound, and he plans to live there. it's unclear if he will have any kind of advisory role, but he still wants to stay in power, although not directly with executive authority, but someone who is at least consulted. it might not work out that way. it really depends on which of the three leading candidates wins. abdullah abdullah, very unlikely to give him sean role. but the speculation here, or what analysts have told us here, is that if razul wins, he might try and stay close to karzai, which would keep him in the loop. >> and, bobby, the importance of obviously all three of the figures have said they would sign this agreement, but the longer we go, i mean, i think it's -- it would be shocking if somehow there wasn't a runoff at this point. going to the summer, what does that mean for whatever -- even if they sign the agreement, what does that really mean for what the united states could actually do beyond 2014? >> well, look, i'm sure the plans are already on paper, exactly what the u.s. wants, the kind of -- the sort of presence, the footprint that president obama wants to maintain in afghanistan. i'm sure all of that has been gone over with excruciating detail over and over again. and if all of the three candidates have essentially signed off on the idea of signing the bsa, then this is -- this is all a matter of just dotting the ts and -- dotting the is and crossing the ts. it's a question of timing. but i don't think that we'll be starting cold from the day the agreement is signed. i think most of the wheels that need to be in motion are already in motion, because it's -- now that karzai is going, there's no real strong opposition within the key political constituencies to this idea of an agreement. >> all right, bobby and richard. richard, stay safe. i'm glad you were able to tell us a lot about the two journalists were, brave journalists, one dead, one recovering, the best to her and the best to our friends at the associated press. thank you, both. next, we're going to go live to ft. hood for the very latest on that tragic shooting. what we're learning now about the shooter and the victims. first, a look ahead at today's "politics planner." in washington, folks, if you want to get anything done with anybody, you better do it either before 1:00 or after 5:00, because guess what? it's opening day at nationals park. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. want to give your family more vitamins, omega 3s, and less saturated fat? it's eb. eggland's best eggs. better taste. better nutrition. better eggs. it's eb. better eggs. these days, everything is done on the internet. and tomorrow you'll do even more. that's what comcast business was built for. slow dsl from the phone company was built for stuff like this. switch to comcast business internet. then add voice and tv for just $34.90 more per month. and you'll be ready for tomorrow today. comcast business. built for business. we're learning more about the gunman, the victims, and what the pentagon plans to do next after that mass shooting at ft. hood. the second one in five years at that base. investigators now say that army specialist ivan lopez shot his victims at random. he killed three and wounded 16 before turning a gun on himself. wednesday, investigators also said that lopez had an unstable psychiatric condition. investigators have questioned lopez's wife, seen here, in the gray shirt, and they've searched the lopez home. it turns out lopez bought his gun at the same store where the other ft. hood gunman in 2009 bought his weapon, and there's word of a possible motive. >> there may have been a verbal altercation with another soldier or soldiers, and there's a strong possibility that that, in fact, immediately preceded the shooting. we do not have that definitively at this point, but we do have strong indications of that. >> there's also news about the gunman's surviving victims. eight men and one woman were wounded, three are still in critical condition. six are serious but stable. and we now know the name of one of the three fatalities. sergeant timothy owens, a ten-year army veteran from illinois, who served in both iraq and kuwait. the army hasn't released the names of the other victims yet. meanwhile, pressure is intensifying in the highest levels of the pentagon to explain how a second mass shooting at the same base would occur within a five-year span. >> now, obviously something went wrong. i think it's important here that we all keep in mind, let the investigators do their work. we don't know what all the facts are. we know a lot of things 24 hours later, but we don't know everything. what happened? what motivated this person to do this? where was the gap? why did we have a gap? why did it happen? we will do everything possible to implement the kinds of reforms and fill those gaps and assure the security of the men and women who work for our armed forces, and assure their families. >> we're going to go to the pentagon in a moment, but i first want to go down to ft. hood with charles hadlock, my colleague down there from nbc. charles, we're getting more about the victims, a little bit more about the recovery efforts there, in the hospital there with those wounded. what more can you tell me? >> that's right. well, the fbi and the army are poring over ivan lopez's service record. he received three good conduct medals. they just can't explain what went wrong. now, the military commanders say, however, that lopez was being treated for anxiety, depression, and a sleep disorder, and that he was a candidate for receiving therapy for post-traumatic stress syndrome, although that has not been diagnosed for the man. it's not clear if that had anything to do with the shootings here on wednesday. lieutenant general mark miley did say, however, it is likely a verbal altercation led to the shootings on wednesday with a soldier or soldiers. now, that has been -- it has been reported, however, that lopez may have been upset over not getting enough time off to grieve for his mother, who died last november. but the army has not confirmed that report. chuck? >> all right, charles hadlock at ft. hood. charles, thank you very much. i want to go to jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. mik, now that we've seen the service record, you tell me. there's been some questions, like barry mccaffrey on yesterday, who seemed to say, boy, that soldier's been in there a long time, and he's not been promoted very often. that's a sign to him that maybe this guy wasn't a very good soldier. what say you? >> well, defense officials actually describe this lopez -- specialist lopez, as an underachiever. and throughout his 15-year career in the military, he really didn't draw much attention one way or the other. he had a clean record, so there were no black marks against his record. in other words, he wasn't a problem soldier. it's just that he was not a very high achiever. and in terms of the idea and the people we're talking to the idea that this one event that he couldn't stay long enough for his mother's funeral, that may have been a trigger. but he obviously had much deeper problems, because he complained of anxiety, sleep deprivation, and depression, so he was getting treatment for that. so there's a much bigger question here about what was the ultimate motive, and what they were talking about there may have been a trigger. >> you know, mik, it does seem as if now, the military is painting him as having massive mental health problems. but that certainly wasn't the case before this shooting. >> well, again, he was seeking mental health, but it wasn't the kind of treatment that rose to the level that his commanders would be aware of it, because the psychiatrist who looked -- who treated him said he saw -- he saw no indication that he was going to be violent or that he was a danger to himself or any others. and, you know, all those questions that defense secretary hag hagel asked a few moments ago, those are good questions. but there are hard answers. the idea you'll lock down a city of 50,000 at ft. hood, who come in and out of that gate every day, and, what, search everybody, send them through a magnetometer to make sure they don't have a weapon? there are no easy answers. that's why, i think, we haven't seen very strict controls on the perimeter of that base following the massacre in 2009. >> but, mik, you keep saying that you would be surprised if everybody's put through a magnetometer, the place you work, everybody is. >> that's not true -- we -- we have to swipe through with a card, but we don't go through magnetometers. visitors without a passmagnetom. >> but do you think that's coming to a base near you? >> who knows? some security people here think that may be the future. they don't think it will happen anytime soon. and quite frankly, there are some people here in this building, in security, say, hey, it happen eed at ft. hood, it could happen here. >> right. m mik, thanks. they say they want to continue. both parties say they want to continue. neither party has said that they've called it off. but we're not going to sit there indefinitely. this is not an open-ended effort. never has been. so it's reality check time. >> kerry's been the most optimistic on this the whole time. if he's losing faith, this may be done. kerry is headed back to washington and says he will consult with the president on the next steps. u.s. officials say kerry was blindsided by israel's decision to cancel a prisoner relief, part of last summer's talks, and was disappointed for the membership of 15 international agencies over israeli opposition. up next, is it washington's brain drain? a special tdr look at the reality of this year's set of retirements that are a little bit different than previous years. and today's tdr 50 question of the day -- where was teddy roosevelt 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"we may not know which party will control the senate in 2015 or what the composition of the house will look like, but one thing we do know, centuries of legislative experience is leaving washington. for decades, committee chairmen were like political barrons, running almost independent of the senate and house leadership. boy, after the last decade, that's all changed. leadership runs everything and committee chairs have never had less influence, and many are simply throwing up their hands and leaving washington. former senate finance committee chairman, max backus, their efforts hardly made a ripple. 20 years ago, it would have been different. now, they're leaving. others are leaving congress, too. it's happening in both parties. today, a look at the end of the legislative era by the numbers. today, 23 house members are retiring, 13 republicans, 10 democrats, a total of 248 terms of experience are leaving the capitol before next year. that doesn't count members of congress who are stepping down to run for another office. you have six committee chairs and ranking members in the housecalling it quits. including camp, who served 12 terms, announced this week he won't run for re-election. armed services chair buck mckeon in washington for 11 terms. doc hastings calling it quits after ten, and mike rogers, announced last week that he is retiring after seven terms. powerful democrats who see the possibilities for chairmanships slipping away are heading for the exits. in case you didn't recognize him, this is california's george miller, talking with then new york congressman chuck schumer back in '87. miller's been a fixture here in washington for decades, but he's leaving d.c., and his post on the education and workforce committee after 20 terms. california congressman henry waxman, ranking member on energy and commerce retiring after 20 terms. you count the 13 members leaving the house to run for the senate, and four who are running for other offices, it means that more than six centuries of legislative experience will be gone next year. that's on top of the six members who have already resigned and won florida's bill young who passed away last year. two other congressmen, markey and scott, left the house to serve in the senate. the point is, all these legislative chairmanships want to bail. in the senate, the story is the same. the body is losing more than 23 teams of legislative experience, 142 years of know-how. seven senators are retiring or resigning, in the case of coburn, who will leave before the second term is up. a quarter of the senate committees are losing their chairman. five committee chairs or ranking members are calling it quits. michigan's carl levin is leaving after six terms. jay rockefeller, out after five. iowa's tom harken, also leaving. south dakota's tim johnson, putting down the banking committee's powerful gavel. georgia's chambliss is also stepping down. with three members resigning the seats already and the death of new jersey's frank lautenberg, means the senate is experiencing its largest turnover in 40 years. only 28 members of the current senate were in office before 2000, and that includes dan coates who served in the '80s and '90s, and then returned to the senate after the 2010 elections. next year, after levin, harkin, rockefeller leave, the number will be down to 24. the last members of what is a steadily shrinking old guard. and again, the idea of having a committy gavel anymore not the same motivation, because guess what, leadership runs everything, and these committee chairs have never felt more powerless. that's the real story of these retirements. up next, the tdr exclusive on the hobby lobby boss' chat with the pope. by the way, this is your last chance to vote who will go to the sweet 16 in our tdr bracket challenge. it's a good one. cast your votes. we'll unveil the winners on monday. we're getting close. remember, the presidential near-misses. live in the same communities that we 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because you would have a special high-risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions. so i get on one hand you would have lower insurance premiums, because you'd allow insurance companies to essentially discriminate for pre-existing conditioning, because there would be a special high-risk pool. >> no, chuck -- chuck, that's actually not right. three things the plan does. one, it does guarantee renew abltd, so right now, you have to exhaust your cobra coverage, we would say if you -- >> guaranteed renewability, but not necessarily a company can't raise their premiums based on you being a higher risk. >> no, it does protect -- guaranteed renewability protects you from the premium spikes. you can't increase the premiums for that particular individual. what we're saying is we don't think the federal government should come in and do a one size fits all approach. we think states are better situated, so we give $100 billion, plus funding -- states get $10 billion before obamacare. obamacare reduced that. we're restoring the funding, telling states if they want the grants, they have to provide guaranteed coverage for those with pre-existing conditions and lower premiums in the individual market. they have to use this money to do that. we're not saying you can discriminate against those with pre-existing, we're just saying states are in a better position, we're giving them the funding to do it. and then, finally, so the reality is we're actually doing more to help those -- the president actually interrupted the guaranteed renewability through the obamacare plan, because of its effect on individual plans. on the fact that people lost the plans they were having before. so we're actually doing more to help those with people with pre-existing conditions, both through guaranteed renewability and the state grants and third, letting the states, requiring the states, to show they'll provide continuous coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. that was a legitimate concern pre-obamacare, i just think it was wrong -- i don't think the way to solve it was a one size fits all mandate that's increasing premiums by $2,100. cbo said it didn't reduce premiums. >> let me go on the last point here. there's a lot to get into. i want to go to medicare. you want to go to a premium support system. you're privatizing medicare. there's no other way to look at it. you want to make it more private insurance companies in the medicare system. >> no, chuck, that's still not right. if you read the plan, it says the government -- you continue to have access to the government run for fee service plan. >> but you're incentivizing -- you're trying to incentivize and create a private market inside the system. >> it's called medicare part c and d. medicare advantage already offers private plans. what we're saying is there are ways to allow the beneficiaries to save money. cbo said you could save taxpayers $15 million a year, and save beneficiaries 6% through out of pocket spending, with premium reform and medigap reforms, and get an out of pocket -- put that into medicare and save taxpayers $114 billion with medigap reform. so seniors can choose the program if they want. but with premium support, you're actually driving down taxpayer spending and saving beneficiaries significant dollars. the medigap reforms alone could save seniors hundreds of dollars per year in medigap premiums, plus give them protection. right now, there's no protection against out of pocket spending for the first time we'd put a limit on that. so it's a win-win for both seniors and taxpayers if they want it, they can still choose the government-run plan but now can save through efficient private plans. >> governor, we can wonk out all day, but the 30-second ad in your plan would be raises -- it raises taxes on individuals on their health plans, radically changes medicare, and makes it harder to get coverage if you're lower income. i can tell you what the 30-second attack ad on your plan would be true. >> and none of that -- >> politically, you're opening yourself up to some tough conversation. >> two things, none of that's true. it does not raise taxes. it reduces health care preem ups. it gives -- >> you're shifting the tax burden to the individual. you're giving them a deduction, but you are shifting the tax burden to the individual. >> no, chuck, that's not true. the deduction would actually allow them to actually put more dollars in their pockets. it's not -- this is absolutely not a tax increase. we're very, very careful about this. this repeals the obamacare taxes and spending. it does not increase federal government revenues compared to where we were before obamacare. so it does not -- let's be very clear, this is not a tax increase. it does give a generous deduction, more choice and power to the individual. it provides savings. you're right, the left will attack any republican plan. but the reality is, i think as conservatives, we have an obligation to show our principles are better. this gives affordability. this gives choice. it actually lowers health care spending. i think families -- look, the scores -- the analysis are clear, this would reduce premiums compared to where we are today, reduce it $5,000 for the average family, cover millions of people. the president in '08 said he was about reducing costs, not doing mandates. this fulfills that rhetoric. >> all right, governor bobby jindal, i have to leave it there. one of the few people in the republican party that's put out an alternative in extensive detail. folks can read it. we'll direct them to it. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, chuck. >> you got it. now to an interesting little tdr exclusive. while i was at the vatican last week, i stumbled on a collection of religious artifacts just yards away from the president's meeting with the pope. it turns out the exhibit is mostly owned, ready for this, by the hobby lobby family. that's right, the same family challenging the contraception mandate in the health care law. here's more of this story. when the president met with the pope last week, he downplayed the pope and the vatican's concerns about some of the president's social policiepolic especially the contraception mandate in the affordable care act. >> we actually did talk a lot about social schisms. >> reporter: if you needed more evidence of the vatican's interest in our politics, look no further than who the pope met with this week. the guy who is suing the president, steve green, the president of hobby lobby. >> he had mentioned the religious freedom issue that is a catholic issue, and he indicated it was the same concern that the catholic church had with concerns there in america, and i just thanked him for bringing that up with our president. >> reporter: while hobby lobby's lawsuit against the federal government over the employer contraception mandate made it to the supreme court last week, it wasn't politics that brought the hobby lobby family to the holy see. it turns out that while the president was being escorted by the swiss guard, next door a team was putting the finishing touches on a scholarly exhibit of 200 rare biblical texts, most of which are owned by the green family. in fact, their collection is the largest private collection of biblical artifacts in the world. >> so once i mentioned we'd be interested in buying some artifacts, they started bringing more opportunities to us, and one thing led to another, and then just within a few years we wound up having close to 40,000 items within the collection. >> reporter: the word of the lord exhibit is literally on st. peter's square and was opened to the public this week. it features pages from an original guttenberg bible, fragments of the dead sea scrolls, and even a tiny mic microfiche version of the tablet that went into space. and there was also a torah from china in the seventh century. the green family plans to open what they're calling a nonsectarian bible museum right here in washington, d.c., in 2017. it would be the only museum dedicated to the bible in the district. the tdr 50 new york rising stars are coming up. we've had a tough time dealing with new york this week. we understand that. a lot of breaking news. plus the march jobs numbers have been released. we'll hear the white house reaction to that. first, the tdr 50 soup from inside what used to be aaron burr's carriagehouse. at one if by land, two if by sea. 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