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But first lets jump into some of the Biggest Senate races today. Good afternoon. I am krystal ball. As we come on the air, some 90 Million People are voting in what our team has characterized at the longest, most expensive, most talked out Midterm Election cycle in our history. Nbcs luke russert has managed to escape from capitol hill. Hes in west des moines, iowa. Luke, Senate Candidate republican Senate Candidate there joni ernst, one of the republicans top recruit this is cycle, what do you think is happening there today in the Hawkeye State . Reporter well, joni ernst is coming into election day with a lot of momentum. She had a sevenpoint lead with the Des Moines Register poll. Her opponent bruce braley made a series of missteps throughout the campaign. She seems to have capitalized on those. Whats really interesting is theres been this question about who cares more about people like me. Joni ernst in the Des Moines Register poll tested better that for a democrat to do is quite surprising. Today is election day. Comes down to the voters. I want you to take a listen to what some voters said to me about how happy they were to reach this day, for one reason, those annoying ads. Skip all the ads and then you do your homework on the day of the lengz, thats how you vote. Some of the commercials did help, but i think the debates helped me more than the commercials did. I havent watched tv for about two weeks because i cant stand to watch the ads. Im sure im with everybody else. Reporter and that has been the state of the race. Its been consistent all along, krystal. Millions pouring into iowa from outside groups and from the Party Committees because if democrats are to win the senate, they really need keep the senate, rather, they really need to win iowa. And that is no guarantee, from what weve seen. Now, i talked to earlier about the momentum the ernst campaign has. Democrats say they can counter that with their superior ground game effort. They showed it in 2012. They believe they can come back out tonight. They believe their early vote margin is not big enough. They grab votes, try to bank as many as they can because republicans usually outperform them on election day. We dont know if those early vote numbers will be able to hold. Well see what happens tonight but i say a tip of the scale to the ernst side. Luke russert in iowa for us. Thanks for joining us. You know, it is a big day when msnbc analyst Howard Feinman joins us on set here in new york. Thanks for being with us. Thanks to be here. Take us inside your brain. What are you going to be looking for tonight . What results you dont want to go there. I do. I want to know. Let toure in a little bit. He can testify to the fact im all in. Digging it. Well, first, a general comment. This has been for the most part with some exceptions in some states and some issues, one of the most contentfree, substancefree, campaigns i have ever covered. Ive covered a lot of them. Its disquiet in the country, an anger in the country about the economy. Most people in america have not seen the real value of their wages increase literally in decades. People hate washington. They hate politics. Its almost as if they dont to want vote for anybody. They dont believe anyone can make a difference. Thats a selfreinforcing cynicism that president obama temporarily broke through when he got ee electriced in 2008. Now it returns and overhangs this whole election. The question of who controls the senate and the key state houses are both very important questions. Both substantively and politically. The senate is the key because its kind of been run as a parliamentary election. Its like Mitch Mcconnells team against harry reids team. Will mcconnell take over . What will the republican agenda be . There are states you should watch early in the night to see how thats going. Obviously, North Carolina and New Hampshire are two early ones. Well know, i think, early on, by 9 00 or so, whether this will be an early night and an early decision and a, quote, wave, or whether this is going to be a grind it out thing thats going to depend on the human hanging chad. Greg orman from kansas or i like that. Or the did you get a drafk made . The crabbers in alaska who get to send in their votes late, et cetera. Thats my overview of the thing. Some key governor races, wisconsin, scott walker who ran against the teachers again and again and again. Does he survive . If so, he becomes a hero, for example. Sam brownback who slashed taxes every which way, does he survive . Overall, its a pudding without a theme as Winston Churchill once said. Its election day which makes me nostalgic. If i could share with you a Little Family history. When i was growing up i would try to get extra credit for stuff that i was supposed to do. I would say to my parents, i did my homework. Can i get an extra dessert . That hasnt changed. Doesnt sound any different from today. Hes such a good boy. What are we talking about . I did my chores. I can get something extra. My parents would say, youre supposed to do your homework. Youre supposed to do your chores. You dont get extras for that. I wonder as we look here at a race where were hearing a lot about how republicans are doing better, but as we know because of the peculiarities of a constitution that difies up the senate and every two years of elections, theyre running in states where if the president ial election were held, mitt romney would be president. I wonder if they dont go farther if those states, youre supposed to win in georgia, youre supposed to win in kansas. As you watch the returns tonight, what about the states not supposed to win which means theyre making progress . Thats an excellent question. As you know, theres the socalled big blue fire wall, which is the big blue wall, which is the 18 states plus the District Of Columbia that the democrats in president ial races have won the last six elections in a row. And the democrats start out with 242 electoral votes with that bloc. You want to look and see where the republicans are trying to pierce that. And there arent many places, really, in this election where theyre going to do it. Some interesting ones to watch would be New Hampshire. Jeanne shaheen and New Hampshire is a swing state, by the way. Its not one of those big blue walls. Not super blue, no. Its not super blue. But shaheen was governor, highly respected. People thought she would win easily. Scott walker kind of wonders across from massachusetts and says, i think ill run in New Hampshire. May have hitch hiked. We dont know. We dont know. A pickup truck. Quantum physics. One or the other. If he wins, if you watch it tonight and he pulls off the upset there, i think thats significant and shows that republicans are really actually mining the disgust with politics and focusing exclusively and colorado as well. Colorado clearly, another swing state. And it looks like like udalls in trouble there. I would put that down to the kind of campaigning that democrats have done too much of this year. Which is this kind of pointlistic thing, were not going to talk about president obama, were going to focus on women, narrow focus on women, narrow focus on health care, rather than say very much at all about what the democrats not just obama, but what the democrats have done and what they stand for, what theyve achieved. President obama was in pennsylvania the other day. And almost as a throwaway line, he said, you know, in the last six months, the u. S. Economys done better than almost any other economy in the country. You know, were back in many ways. No, its not evenly distributed, so forth. But theres certainly some things that the democrats could have talked about positively about themselves. And i dont think they did. I dont think they did it. I agree with that. You know, i just cant wrap my head around the crazy amounts of money that have been spent in these midterms. Luke was alluding to that earlier. 100 million in one senate race in North Carolina. The National Journal has a piece out today talking about the impact of these ads. They had a moderator ask a group of what they call walmart moms, women that have stayathome kids at home, shopped at walmart within the last month. They asked them what they remembered from these attack ads. The first woman answered just in silence and finally said, you know, im trying to think. Ive heard them 100 times. The next woman said all i got from all those ads is dont vote for that person because theyre a bad person. Vote for me. And finally the woman the last woman jumpeded in and said, i think were so tired of hearing a bowl of crap. I think they speak for how many of us are feeling about these elections. So much money spent but not a lot of content to back it up. Whatever content its negative and personal. For the most part. They twist votes. A whole industry thats grown up as factcheckers to try to unscramble the twists that candidates put in votes about stands, so forth. I would say about 4 billion, at least 3 billion was negative. By the way, o 1 billion was negative against barack obama. We had a thing at the Huffington Post where we watched every debate, every senate debate, every Gubernatorial Debate and logged all the different comments. Barack obama, the president was mentioned 700 i think 600 times or so. There were exactly seven positive mentions of the president. I hope somebody got combat pay for that. Yes. Air ariana is giving them an extra greek cookie. One reason were in this position with republicans to presumably take over the senate, is when republican primaries were happening, the republican establishment pushed out the crazies. So we have no crazy gaffes, no todd aikens, no christine odonnells, no sharron angles and that put them in the position to rebuff the democratic narrative that republicans are crazy. This is a thoughtful thing they did. Mcconnell spoke about this yesterday in lexington. Weve learned, he said, a couple of lessons over the last two cycl cycles. If you dont nominate really credible candidates you have a chance of not even taking advantage of a good year. Talk about how that laid the groundwork for this moment were in now. As i said, to an extent ive never seen before, especially the senate races, have been run like a parliamentary election. Pretty tightly controlled from the top and from washington. By harry reid on one side, Mitch Mcconnell on the other. Theyre allies among the consultants, their fundraisers, independent donors, billionaires and millionaires who contribute. They set that as their strategy. Now, i dont know any republican who really is necessarily convinced that all of what weve said, notwithstanding, that this is going to be a huge wave for the republicans. And the reason is that people are just voters in general are so turned off by politics. They have so little sense of hope that you need hope in the kind of lift of a driving dream to create a wave. But, yes, on the other hand, mcconnells right. If they had nominated some of the Real Tea Party crazies, the democrats would have better chances. That didnt happen. Good example is joni ernst. At the beginning everyone said, the hog castrator, she has to be a crazy. Turns out shes so farricly compared to sarah palin. And she actually overperformed. In other words, everybody dismissed her as this kind of weird candidate. She turned out to be pretty substantive, so they benefitted from low expectation there is in iowa. I mean, she has a lot of extreme positions but she was able to message well and be an effective candidate. Very effective candidate. So great to have you. Wonderful to see you guys. Happy elections day. Ari, 2 00 in the morning. We will not miss that, im sure. Let me make clear, here on the set. There you go. All right. And on that note, up next, were going to head down south and zero in on key races to watch tonight with a live report from atlanta. That is a look at a polling location right there that youre taking a look at. And everyones favorite southern gentleman, jimmy williams, will join the cycle for tuesday, november 4th. Election day, 2014. Go out and vote youre driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pickup truck slams into your brand new car. One second it wasnt there and the next second. Boom youve had your first accident. 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Both sides seem to be cultivating this image their own partys candidate is going to be the outsider, the one whos going to challenge the poisonous partner sanship. David perdue is running as a businessman, whos had lots of experience running companies, creating jobs, but thats proven to be a big liability in this campaign. Michelle nunn has slammed him again and again for the prevailing outsourcing of jobs. Even yesterday he dodged questions from my colleague Kristin Welker as to whether hes actually outsourced job. Michelle nunn is running as someone who can be a moderate, independent, work on both sides of the aisle. Her father, sam nunn, is still revered throughout the state. Efforts he was a center tris, dealmaker, the kind you dont see around the senate these days. She has managed to bring that image across to voters, even some of the most diehard republicans i spoke to, they have a fairly positive image of nunn. I think they has succeeded in sort of coming across as her fathers daughter. Theyre also hoping, i think, both parties, that theyll be able to carry on some of this engagement if there is a runoff election. Democrats are decidedly the underdog. Theyre trying to turn georgia at least purple again if not pure blue. I spoke with House Minority leader, stacy abrams, she says shes hoping democrats will realize they have to bring out their friends, their neighbors, that this will have to be a thing if they face a runoff, which would be not until january 6th. So, 60 days in politics, that can seem like quite a long time. So, that would be another gruelling, perhaps, end to the race here in which both sides have really poured a lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of effort to sort of engage the folks on the ground and get them excited about an election in a midterm year hasnt got everyones hearts racing, necessarily. Its all about the turnout. Thank you very much. Well all be watching tonight as well. And for more on georgia and the other key southern races, lets bring in msnbc political contributor jimmy williams, executive editor of blue nation review qult qul review, i love having you on the show. Especially with your election bow tie. Democratic bow tie. Go democrats i want to ask you about that because the one person seemingly ab september from the south this election cycle has been president obama. How is that going to play tonight . Since hes the leader of the democratic party, that is probably a problem. Especially in the south. Look, the south is a funky little place, isnt it . Its always played an Important Role in the electoral politics of the country. That is not that is still the case today. So, i mean, every single race that matters, for the most part, is being determined in the south, right . The Senate Whether the senate goes d or r is determined by the south. Look at Alison Lundergan grimes of kentucky. She cant win in that state unless she gets democrats, mod ran republicans and the Africanamerican Community to vote for her. What couldd she do . Couldnt even say she voted for the guy. Kay hagan said she voted for him. Michelle nunn said she voted for him. She may win tonight, if not on january 6th. Mary landrieu said it. She cannot lose in the state of louisiana without the blackamerican vote. Heres the deal, if you if youre a democrat and you dis the head of your party, who happens to be black, guess what, theyre probably not going to show up to vote for you. It makes common sense. Youre proving our point we cant talk about southern electoral politics without talking about race. Lets dig in further about what you call the funky little place and how it deals with race. Im not just talking about voter i. D. Im not just talking about getting black voters out to the polls. Im talking about the whole racial anxiety stew that is southern politics. Please, sir, talk about how race is haping this campaign thaw see. Well, i mean, go ahead and write off the over60 crowd in the south. Were only talking about the south, right . You have to write them off. Theyre predominantly white. They vote predominantly republican. Its a fact of life. Just take them off the table. Then you got millenials. They dont care about social issues. Theyve grown up in, for the most part, a postracial society. So race isnt so much a big deal to them. So, take them off the table. We know where theyre going to be, which is for democrats. If they show up to vote. What you have to care about, independent women and people in their 40s and fifs 50s. Thats who youve got to get. Thats my age, well being a man in the 40s and 50s. If you cant appeal to moderate and independent women in the south, who have kids in school, who have jobs, et cetera, et cetera, then youre not going to get their vote. And guess what . Every single one of those candidates in the south is a woman. So, thats smart. The problem, though, is that and ive said this on sunday, if i believe, and i firmably believe this, if we did not have an africanamerican president in the white house as we speak right now, Mary Landrieu would not be in trouble. Kay hagan would not be in any kind of trouble. Michelle nunn would win overwhelmingly. And, you know, maybe Alison Lundergan grimes would do well. I dont know thats the case. I absolutely believe that. Racism is not just a southern problem. If you dont believe me, you know, look at the boston bussing riots. That happened in boston, not in charleston. So, you know, the idea that race does not play into this is absolutely a factor. It certainly is. Jimmy, if you were the grand strategist of the democratic party, we should be so lucky as to have you in that role, how would you advise democrats to shift the party or to shape the party or to be able to appeal to white southerners . Or should we just write them off and say, theyre never going to be with us . No, no, do not ever write off white southerners or southerners anyway. I said that before. They determine these elections. For a couple reasons, first and foremost, because the social issues are just not listen, if you want to have a conversation with democrats about whether or not youre for proequality, prowomen, proprivacy, prochoice, provoting rights and proequal rights, im pretty sure those are all democratic principles. You ought to lean into those things. You ought to talk about them. You ought to embrace them. You ought to lean forward, remember our slogan, and you ought to own those. Guess what youre for . Youre for people. When youre against people, then people dont want to vote for you. But if youre for people like lbgt, africanamerican, hispanicamerican, et cetera, women, and their privacy and leaving them alone when they need to be left and loan and helping them when they need to be helped, like here in South Carolina, 30 of South Carolinas black population is below the poverty rate. What is the one thing that the governor of this state has done . Denied medicaid funding because of obamacare. And guess what . She doesnt even count on that vote. So, if im a democrat in this state, whether it be a white democrat or a black democrat, i would absolutely lean in on those issues. And thats not just a South Carolina thing. Look at barack obama. He won virginia twice. Almost won North Carolina twice. Lost it barely the second time. And South Carolina, mitt romney only won South Carolina with 53. John mccain with 52. Thats a changing south. Those old white people, theyre going to die some day. And whos going to be there to replace them . People that want you to be for them, not against them. Jimmy, you should run for office. A pretty good rant you had. No way in hell would i run for office. I get to be with you guys. Thats right. Jimmy williams, thank you for being with us. Up next, a look at how the weather is holding up as folks head to the polls. You know what else election coverage needs . A little fishing. The most interesting races to watch according to us. A little more music, please. For most people, earning cash back ends here, at the purchase. But theres a new card in town. Introducing the citi® double cash card. It lets you earn cash back when you buy and again as you pay. Thats cash back twice. Its cash back with a side of cash back. The citi double cash card. The only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1 when you buy and 1 as you pay. With two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem onesided. Listen to this sweet symphony of flavor. 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Especially not today. Were dealing with beautiful weather across the northeast. One trouble spot, the south. Texas especially having a really rough day. Thats going to continue, unfortunately. But for us in the northeast, weve been enjoying above average temperatures. Lots of sunshine from boston down to d. C. Heres our trouble, the cold front now draped across the country. The worst weather right now across north texas. Dallas especially and areas south of there, flash flood watches are in effect. Weve seen over an inch of rain in places like wichita falls. This rain is moving very slowly. Flooding could be a problem in places like texas into new mexico. D. C. Near 70 degrees. Sunshine across the upper midwest. Beautiful weather in the southwest as well. It is raining in seattle, we have showers there and temperatures in the 50s. It stays quiet tonight here in the northeast. We have one more Beautiful Day tomorrow postelection day. Then that rain spreads into the deep south, still enjoying fantastic weather, hot in southern california. Look at tomorrows high temperature. 87 in los angeles. Above average in new york. Above average in l. A. The rain continues, wouldnt you know it, in seattle. You want to enjoy the beautiful weather in the northeast because starting on thursday, all this rain works its way towards us and then it gets chilly again thursday, friday. Were talking about a repeat of those brisk temperatures we saw for the marathon week. Thats going to happen again this weekend here in places like new york city and boston. So, winter is slowly starting to ease in, guys. Fantastic day outside right now. You want to enjoy it and soak in some of that sunshine with temperatures in the 70s. Krystal . Indeed, thank you so much. Pick a race, any race, tonight it could be the deciding fak tosh of who wins the majority. It really is that close. So, which races are we at the cycle watching closely tonight . Lets take that to the table. Obviously, a lot of key senate races, North Carolina, New Hampshire, colorado, iowa, that we have touched on. But im actually going to be closely watching the Gubernatorial Race in kansas. And thats an interesting one youve got incumbent Governor Sam Brownback who, you know, keep in mind kansas, a very republican, very red, very conservative state. He enacted in office essentially what he called a conservative experiment. The largest tax cut in kansas state history. Its had devastating economic impacts. Its had a devastating impact on the schools there. So the democrat in that state has a shot to win tonight. Thats an interesting one to watch because it should act as a check for republicans that even in a red state like kansas, you cant go too far. There is a limit to how conservative your voting population is. Whats the matter with kansas . Thats really interesting. Weve been talking about the senate races but a lot of interesting governors races going on. One ive been watching is in florida. I dont know if you heard of it, had the fan incident. Oh, yes, yes. Florida, sthat one down south. Whacky voting. Theres a reason why its probably one of 9 most important purple states in the country before the president ial elections. Its a good litmus test for how people are feeling in terms of where were at right now. A bunch of different constituency groups, urban, rural. This race, though, i find interesting because you have rick scott, who i think is a terrible politician, in my personal opinion. But running against him, Charlie Crist tell us how you really feel. This business guy was going to bring jobs. I had a lot of family in florida and theyre disappointed with rick scott and the options they have. You have Charlie Crist who i find his career to be totally fascinating. We talk about politics in absolutes. Here you have a guy who is republican governor of florida. Then left to run for senate. Midrace changed to be independent. Then became a democrat. Now running for his old job again in the opposite party. And it looks like he has a real shot of winning here. One thing you should also look at this ballot, though s legalizing marijuana. Thats on there. Democrats hope that brings enough people to the polls to give Charlie Crist that extra boost. You mentioned Charlie Crist, he may be the only candidate in this entire election who backed the impeachment of president clinton and then went out and campaigned with him this fall. Its always fun when they do that. Ive been looking atlas lass, which could keep us up very late. Its a fascinating race. Its not one well be up late. We will. Its been defined by some National Issues we hear so much about. Its been a lot of local economic and fishing and National Resource issues. Lets take a look at just one part of the debate. You cannot have a one size fits all federal approach to fisherie fisheries. Thats one of the dangers with federal regulation, federal laws with regard to our fisheries. Theyre very unique. It has to have alaskaspecific elements after it. Going after the pirates out there, taking our fish illegally and making sure theyre held accountable for it. As i mentioned, this is the first time in the act, parks and rec will be part of the equation because its an allencompassing fishing policy well have. Another big issue is republicans are saying f they win, lisa will take over the interior chairmanship in the senate. Those are the races we forget about so local. Ted cruzs obamacare plans, theyre focused on that. They also have minimum wage and pot on the ballot which could affect who turns out. Certainly could. Campaigning matters. We lose sight of that but if youre getting out, shaking a lot of hands, especially in a small state like New Hampshire, which has expectations of politicians, knocking on your door, that could make a difference. Scott brown is an extraordinary politician. Social sciences show shaking hands, persuasion can happen face to face. Jeanne shaheen is the first woman in the history of america to be governor and senator, right . So shes clearly a tough person who knows how to win races. Alex wagner spoke to both of them. Lets take a little look at that. If you hold onto your seat, are democrats going to win the senate . Were focused on New Hampshire. We want to make sure every supporter who said theyre going to support me gets out to the polls. How is your ground game compared to Jeanne Shaheen . Well find out in about, what, eight hours. You had a big shakeup with the field staff. Are you sure theyre going to get the vote on . What do you mean, shake up . Whats going on with your zip cote code if you dont win on wednesday night . Are you going back to massachusetts . Thats a silly question. Silly . Krystal, i heard about polls that have one point separating in both directions, so no idea which way that goes. That is definitely one to watch. Could be a long night. You heard what we think. Now msnbc wants to know what you are thinking about on this election day. Tonight starting at 10 p. M. Eastern, ari melber and i are hosting Digital Decision 2014 live on msnbc. Com. We want you to weigh in and participate in that broadcast. So, do you think that democrats should have stood by president obama more in these Midterm Elections . Tweet your answer with msnbcyes if your answer is yes. Or tweet with msnbcno if your answer is no. What if its maybe . Visit vote. Msnbc. Com to watch the show at 10 p. M. Eastern to see the results. [ narrator ] mama sherman and the legion of super fans. 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It could also mean a return to the nfl this season, depending on what nfl commissioner Roger Goodell decides. But goodell has an intense week ahead of him. Hes required to testify at ray rices appeal hearing tomorrow and thursday. And there will be no limit on the amount of time goodell will testify. And he will be questioned by famed sports labor attorney jeffrey kessler, who many describe as goodells nemesis. Kessler is the lawyer who helped Win Free Agency for nfl players in 1992. Kessler is expected to grill goodell on rices infamous elevator tape and what goodell knew and when he knew it. Goodell will face that clash unless he cuts a deal with rice before tomorrow, which could anger many and make it look like goodell caved in to rice. We have friend of the show andrew brant, espn analyst and former owner of the green bay packers. What would goodell fear the most or what questioning out of kessler would Roger Goodell fear the most . Tomorrow, toure courtroom football begins tomorrow, ray rice appeal. This is the thing everyone has been waiting for since september, since the videotape was reveal. The crux of the case is going to be was there a civil kind of collective bargaining version of double jeopardy attached to ray rice . Was he indefinitely suspended for the compacted saexact same circumstances for which he was suspended two games . Thats the argument from peter ginsburg, lead lawyer, and kessler, saying goodell is reacting kneejerk reaction to the public reaction to the tapes and there was nothing new rice said. The nfl will counter. As you said, theyre going to say, hey, wait a minute, there was new information. What ray rice told us, and his wife, about that incident back in february and when he told us this summer was vastly different than what we saw there on tlfil. So its going to come down to again, now well find out transparency, the facts of what really happened. Do you think there is a chance they cut a deal with ray rice before this all goes down . I hope not. Im on my way to cover it for espn. I think that you can take a little vacations. It seems to me that you talked about Roger Goodell caving in that perception. I think the nfl pa rice legal side really wants to get into this. They really want this case. They want to expose, if they can, information that this was just, again, a kneejerk reaction, a public relations, a making it up as they went along but surely roger doesnt want to get into this . He might. Let me talk about his case, too, because i try to point out both sides. Listen, he has the power of conduct hearings. He has the power. He could preside over this himself but hes wisely deferred to an independent arbitrator, barbara jones. So she according to labor law is supposed to defer, unless theres egregious conduct, defer to the initial hearing officer, who is Roger Goodell. Hes going to argue labor law. Hes going to argue, how many of us, the public, the media, were shocked and surprised on what they saw on september 8th versus what they heard about ray rice for five months . That reaction plays right into the nfls situation because thats going to say, hey, listen, were not the only ones. The whole country was aghast between what we heard about it and what actually happened. And youre trying to fairly shine a light on the arguments offer. The problem is the rest of the country didnt have the burden of factfinding he has in had kind of proceeding so it ultimately goes back to him. The rest of us found out what leaked out as it came. Does anything change if the nfls ratings dont change . Well, let me get to that in a second. I think as far as this case, the nfls going to have to turn, if you will, on ray rice. They have supported this kid, and i think a party were leaving out here is the ravens. Ravens senior officials were part of this. They supported him to the hilt, as ive talked about before. Ray rice is an adverse witness to the ravens. Theyll have to say in so many words, he lied to us, he duped us. He told a fick tastitious tale the help of his wife. The gloves will come off. Theres a chance on the courthouse steps they settle on punishment between two games and indwept. I get the sense in listening and reading the tea leaves this is going guard. They both agreed on this arbitrator, a former judge, a by the book judge, and well see what happens. As you mentioned, here we are again, the conduct, the power of the commissioner is at stake. Thats a big deal here. Well see it again with peterson, which well talk about in a second. The idea that Roger Goodells power is being diminished is something weve talked about here. Beyond all of this, there are negotiations going on with the union about cushing thrbcurbing. Are we going to see rice or peterson back on the field again . If so, is that a benefit for the nfl . Id say they probably wouldnt want that soon. I would think well see them both back on the field, but i just dont know in 2014. I think 2015s a much better chance. Now, heres what has to happen. Rice has to have his suspension lifted, a, and the team has to be willing to sign him, b. Exact same thing for peterson. He has to be taken off this inventive list they use, commission list, and the Minnesota Vikings have to want him back on their active list. Should they not, they would release him and hed be free to sign with anyone else. Whatever you call this, toxicity, this radioactivity that was so prevalent in september is probably not completely gone. And i would think teams would be hesitant to say, hey, the way the season is going halfway through, why do we need this . Well talk about it next time. Well, i think its going to be easier to get a. P. Back on the field than ray rice back on the field. Andrew brandt, thank you very much. 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Ntsb Officials Say the investigation into the Virgin Galactic space plane could take up to a year. They did release a timeline of the last moments in the flight identifying an anomaly but the grash isn crash isnt deterring Richard Branson from his space touring mission. Its been a horrible setback, particularly for michaels family and for mike himself, but, you know, we owe it to him to continue and that we will do. Since the late 1950s, the men and women of nasa and visionaries like branson have deared to take us to new heights and now in his new book a photographer shows us what it really takes to get there. For three years he got a rare glimpse into one of nasas final Space Shuttle mission. Hes compiled some stunning photos, along with essays from nasa techs and astronauts. The people and places of space exploration, it has a forward as well by john glenn. Michael is at the table. Good day to you. Hi. What moves these type of space enthusiasts to do what they do . It was my experience in dealing with so much of the labor force that these men and women often come out of simply the passion of wanting to be a part of something greater than themselves. And whether its the technician working on the tiles, folks working on the shuttle, all in service of space flight to the engineers, they saw Neil Armstrong descend to the moon. Theres just a sense of wanting to be a part of something greater than themselves. In the book you profile some of the men and women behind the astronauts and the spaceships that really are responsible for so much. One of technicians said these beautiful ships did not belong to the astronauts, they belonged to us, the technicians and engineers who worked the fleet every day. Most astronauts understood this and frequently thanked us for allowing them to borrow the birds for a couple of weeks. That was greg cecil. Greg was a paramedic in west virginia, actually. All of his life he wanted to be part of the space program. He took some classes, moved to florida this 2000, 2001 and got a job working on the tiles. That was his dream to be able to do that. And so the culture within setting a spaceship ready for flight is hundreds, often thousands of people and he was one of them. And absolutely committed. Theres nothing really routine about it. But being in a hangar with a spaceship working on the tiles and doing that. So the crews would come in realizing these hundreds of people are supporting the spaceship. Like what goes on in a studio, all in support of yeah, what were doing is just like rocket science. No, it is. Each of those jobs, the responsibilities on the shoulders of the person to do it perfectly and precisely is incredible. The Space Shuttle launch director, he would decide whether or not to go forward on scrub a mission. I cant imagine having that weight resting on my shoulders. Mike was a remarkable man is a remarkable man. He had been there since 2000. He gave that go ahead for columbia. And when you see all the computers, you see the whole vast array of putting a spaceship into space, you look out the window and said is that final decision mine. They are people i know. They have families, they have kids. Am i ready to commit them to this mission. Its a gut check. I mean basically its a gut check. You talk about some of the challenges of photographing outer space from outer space. You helped train some of these astronauts on how to visually communicate their mission. Its not just point the camera out the window and pressing. Like an iphone, right . No. When i was invited to provide the crew, it was more than just technical. They have people that provide them technically and how to set the cameras and ikons and what have you. What got me involved was what was the quality of light like in space. When i talked to many of the early apollo astronauts, they said they wished they had slowed down so they could take in the experience. My sense with this crew was, as complex as this was could there be some smell the roses moments where they could stop and say, wow, were in space, look around that environment and see it all new for the first time, for the children, for the grandchildren, for their brothers and sisters, so making snapshots that say more than a conventional and that give us some sense of where we are in this big you know ye universe. I know abby was also saying with election day today, she was wondering what the midterm turnout is going to be like on the moon. We dont know yet. Michael, thank you so much. Thank you. That does it for the cycle today. You can catch us tomorrow. Election coverage continues of course all day on ms. Msnbc. Primetime coverage starts at 6 00 p. M. Eastern. For all you second screeners, krystal and i will host msnbcs Digital Decision coverage. That live stream starts at 10 00 p. M. Eastern. And then at 2 00 a. 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