Potentially millions. That is our top story tonight the man that promised insurance for everybody, making Health Care Costs rise dramatically, trump ending subsidies for low income families, that covers up 26 million people. Lets be clear about a fact. Donald trumps move right now contradicts his own pledges that he made on the campaign to replace this program and to take care of people. Now he says, he will destroy health care for americans and that will make democratic legislators negotiate with him. Its going to be time to negotiate health care thats going to be good for everybody. If the democrats were smart, what theyd do is come and negotiate something. Trump also tweeting, obamacare is imploding, dems should call me to fix it. The news today strump actually opposed to the Deal Senate Democrats had been negotiating, there is that word again, with republicans, the irony here is trump is apparently unaware by ploeg up these key parts of obamacare, he could be blamed for blowing up obama carry. Criticism about the move today from both sides of the aisle. I very much disagree with President Trumps decision. Lowincome people are going to have a very difficult time that for some it may be impossible affording their deductibles and their copays. And a stark joint statement from nancy pelosi and cluck schumer. They saw this action a spiteful act of vast, pointless sabotage. Strong words on an important issue, which is why as i mentioned, its our top story tonight. At least 15 states now saying they will sue over this new move from the Trump Administration. I am joined now by eleanor holmesnorton, a Congress Woman that represents washington and the former acting administrators centers for medicare and medicaid in the obama administrati administration. Two individuals that know the issues well. Congress woman norton, when you look at this put aside whatever differences you and the president may have, on the best way to do health care in theory. In practice, what does this do to people and is he undermining the very pledges he made about having something to replace repeal . Well, hes broken it there. So its on his watch. He can no longer talk about obamacare. Hes broken it because hes taken the central pillar, which is the reason you have, the Affordable Health care act in the first place, with words low income people use. Actually, these are people that work every day, cant afford health care, or they work for an employer, perhaps a Small Business person who doesnt offer health care. So there are subsidies there to allow them to, indeed, go on this new market and buy health care. Why do we do that . Because otherwise all the rest of us who have employerbased Health Insurance will end up paying for them when they get sick, because when they get sick, they got to go to the hospital. Its as simple as that, so that by taking the first steps, it wasnt quite the pottery barn notion that you broke it and its yours. When you took the first step, it was 90 of the, hes trying to pull or he said he would, that he said, half of navigators wouldnt be there, for example. Or you couldnt go on, on weekends in order to get your Affordable Health care. Well those around the edges and they hurt a lot. But this is like taking a thread of that, to hold the fabric together, pulling it out and then the whole fabric falls apart. So Congress Woman, you look at this as a before and after moment, that the program up to this day, basically, which was increasing the number of americans who have some kind of insurance and decreasing discrimination based on existing conditions and all those issues people have heard about, you are saying up to this point, that was obamacare, from this day forward, it should be judged as trump care . There is now trump care, because the essential pillar that made it obamacare the subsidies that went for people who could otherwise not afford health care, although they work every day, or the Small Businesses, thats gone. So what is left . Now there is trump you own it. If this was a bluff, it was a bad bluff. By the way, its important to me to say this doesnt go into effect right away. So i dont want to panic everybody. This has to go through regulations. It could happen sometime before 2019. Thats why i say it may be a big bluff. He says he wants people to come to the table. I thought republicans and democrats were already at the table with Amal Alexander and patty murray in the senate. Congress woman, im old enough to remember six weeks ago when they were trying to push it on a party line vote. I want you to please hang with me. I want to go to andy here, a very experienced person on all the Medicare Medicaid oversight. I will put up on the screen, something the Congress Woman alluded to, the various steps that have been going on, ending costsharing payments, the open door to plans with fewer benefits, stop sending officials to enrollment events. Advertising cut by 90 of this administration, navigators cut, thats the people that help you find a plan and cutting the Enrollment Period in half. So theres no time to enroll. Do you view this as a policy matter as starkly as the Congress Woman in the before and after of this moment . Well, Congress Woman just said something very important. What you are looking at now, ladies and gentlemen, is trump care. You know, the in trump care, lets be clear the cbo told us what will happen from these actions. Number one, a million fewer people will have insurance coverage. Number two, those that retain coverage, particularly those in the middle class will pay 20 more for insurance and number three, were going to see a complete deterioration of the protections that people had and finally i should add, this is going to add close to 200 billion to the deficit. So taxpayers lose. And thats just thats just on the president s side of the road. The other thing i want to ask you about, andy, is an issue i know thats near and dear to your heart. Its something we have been covering a lot. It doesnt at this moment have to do with donald trump. There are a lot of other important issues. The republican congress, totally apart from what donald trump the doing has failed to reauthorize the key chip program, which has long been a bipartisan thing, you may recall we covered it repeatedly. Its what provides care to 9 million kids. We put there up on our screen, 48 days left because congress has blown through the deadline. To you first and then to congressman norton on what that means and how this works and why after years of bipartisanship congress appears to be aselene when it comes to healthcare for children. Yeah, clip is a gimme. Clip is the most bipartisan thing out there. It ensures 12 of the kids in this country. There is nobody that doesnt like chip. The only areas, i do this on trumps doorstep as well. This is what happens when we dont have moral leadership. This is what happens when we focus on making a political victory, trying to deliver something for his base. So he can claim he did something about the aca, eastern though hes damaging it, rather than doing what i think nine out of ten or maybe 99 out of 100 president s would do, which is give kids what they need first and i think this is very representative of the fact that the republicans in congress dont have a leader to look to that are pushing them to do the important things. And then Congress Woman. Well, i almost agree with you. Not entirely. He signed just as we got it to his desk. Why havent the Republican Leadership ryan and mcconnell gotten this through, you are absolutely right. There is no opposition to it that ive heard. You are leaving some districts. My district has a little time to go. I think some district versus already run out of chips money. That is really a moral outrage and it didnt have to happen because there is not disagreement in the congress and i believe that trump would sign the bill. And i appreciate it. You have so much insight into this. Because you are right there on the ground and you are mentioning that there may be people in congress who do want to move on this, if there is the vote. I have to mention we have been trying to get ahold of senator orrin hatch all week to talk about this i noted he was one of the republicans initially for it. His office has not been able to get back to us. Senator orrin hamp, if you are listening, if anyone in utah is listening. You have an invite to come in and talk about this. Congresswoman eleanor holmesnorton. I turn to ed rendell and a pennsylvania governor and chair of the democratic party. Who knows about the politics and eugene scott, a political reporter, governor, what is happening to the politics of all this . It would seem, we talked about policy. We talked about the ethics. It would seem on the sheer politics when you talk about children or making something work, it used to be good things that used to be good politics. Yeah. I cant believe anybody in the white house agrees with a what the president says hes going to do, because its disastrous politics. The Congress Woman is right, he will own this he will be seen as vindictive and constructive. Hes taking away health care from people that need it desperately and from kids. Whats the percentage in that . Im not sure the base will like it. Certainly whats happening to trump support is each week that goes by, a little more chips away each time. I think this will speed up that chipping process and it will lose a whole lot more politically than he can possibly gain. I cant think of what the gain happy birthday. Right. Eugene, donald trump is not laying out what the game will be. He sort of talked about the meandering roots today, take a listen. We are taking a little different route than we had hoped. Because Getting Congress they forgot what their pledges were. So were going a little different route. But you know what, in the ends, its will be just as effective and maybe it will even be better. Yeah, to me this is a reminder of the president saying earlier in his administration who knew health care cob so hard and when he went into the white house, he spoke throughout on the campaign all the time that he wanted to put something that would replace obamacare that would be better for americans, but he hadnt been clear in details what that is. I think a part of the reason is, he may be noticing that many of the people who sent him to the white house actually approve of obamacare way more significantly than they let on when they were on the trail. So now hes stuck in that hard place where he said he wanted to get rid of this thing that people said they wanted him to get rid of and replace it with something better. Its not clear what that could be. You look to that and it goes to who is responsible . Governor rendell, it would be something if Donald Trumps presidency was an endless series of avoidable outrages, feuds and distractions. That would be a huge amount of lost time and opportunity. But it would be just. That but what you see on a day like today with this attack on health care, something much more than that then it go es to, well, whos going to be held responsible . A poll here, 64 of people saying trump and the republicans now responsible for the obamacare problems moving forward, 28 obama and the democrats. Governor, we hear about a 5050 country. That doesnt look like a 5050 split on that one. No, after this, todays announcement, i think those numbers will get worse for the president. And the interesting thing is, he had a chance to work with democrats and fashion something that wouldnt necessarily repeal obamacare but it would have amended it sufficiently that trump could have declared victory, but whatever chance he has of working with democrats has just evaporated, we will see this as ve nile, hurtful to people and people that need it the most. So i think any chance of accord with democrats on this is gone unless the Congress Just gets together and does it by themselves and sends it to trump and dares him to veto it. Governor, while i have you, we got breaking news from the time you just sat down in that chair. So i know you havent heard this yet, but im going to share it and get a Quick Response from you. It will be a big part of our show i think, breaking news coming into our newsroom, Reince Priebus, the former chief of staff of donald trump has done an interview with the special councils office, of course, led by bob mueller. William burke, Reince Priebus lawyer. He confirms a voluntary ver view and happy to answer those questions. You have been in a lot of high powered rooms, what do you think of that news . I think Reince Priebus will answer truthfully. I dont think he will risk being prosecuted with perjury. I think he will paint a picture of potential destruction. There is no question about it. So i dont think thats good news for the president. You think reacting to this news here that bob muellers team is sittingwith Reince Priebus. You think what he will say will contribute to the obstruction case . Yeah, i think it will. I dont think it will contradict the obstruction case. I think it las the possibility of contributing and reenforcing it. As Reince Priebus is not going to lie for donald trump, i dont believe that for a second. Wow, governor rendell, an expert on many things, thank you for that perspective. Eugene scott, stick around. You are a part of fallback friday. I am. Okay. We will have a lot more on this breaking news, if you are joining the beat bob mueller has interviewed Reince Priebus. We will talk to a foreman prosecutor how that works. Later in the show what is trump doing with all this talk from iran . We will separate the hype and what the white house wants you to think to what our experts say the going on. Later, we will look at why a trump cabinet member is flying his own flag and minting his own coins as they say in washington and later in the show, because its friday, its Richard Lewis. He just sat down with me right here at 30 rock to talk comedy, trump and some msnbc tidbits. Ill explain. Im ari melber. You are watching the beat on msnbc. Patients that i see that complain about dry mouth they feel that they have to drink a lot of water medications seem to be the number one cause for dry mouth. I like to recommend biotene. It replenishes the moisture in your mouth. Biotene definitely works whenstuff happens. D. 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And i think the first subject that comes to mind for me is priebus involvement in the firing of james comey. So what we have heard from various news reports, is that the president spoke with Jared Kushner, ivanka trump and priebus about his concerns with james comey, came up with his rational for firing comey and had Stephen Miller dictate a letter, which we know was later rejected by white House Counsel don mcgan and the rhetorics, et cetera, that were made. There was a whole drama surrounding that later that priebus was also involved in, so that is definitely a top subject. Another key subject i think that hell ask about is trumps anger at Jeff Sessions and, you know, fury over the fact that Jeff Sessions recuse himself, i think those topics will be rife with potential evidence that muellers team could use. As a prosecutor, how would you ask someone like reince about the state of mind of the president as to whether he had criminal intent, desire to obstruct an investigation or as trumps criminal lawyers have really hammered was just a very angry person, who wanted to fire someone. Because you do have the right to fire but you dont have the right to fire in order to commit a crime. So if i was if i was talking to mr. Priebus instead of talking to you, we would be starting at the very beginning. I would be getting a sense of exactly what his relationship is like with the president. What types of questions and issues the president ordinarily brings to him and discusses with him so i can death set up a contrast between ordinary decisionmaking by the president and this particular decision. Then i would be going through with him exactly what the president told him, when, how, what his mannerisms were, what his attitude was, how he reacted to what other people said, it would be a very exhaustive interview of priebus to get every nugget possible of what the president heard what he said and how the president reacted. Natasha, as you know, there are really three buckets of potential criminal activity that bob mueller is investigating. Was there a collusion with the campaign . Was there anything improper with the russians once this move from a campaign to an administration, individuals like Michael Flynn who exercised government power, however briefly