Coronavirus a pandemic. This was end of the administrations 15day stopthespread guidelines, but it turned out that was wishful thinking. Instead the coronavirus will not stop spreading within our country. The governor of the commonwealth of virginia wants his citizens indoors for the next 70 days. The president , who has backed off his goal of packing churches on easter sunday, has now gone along with his experts. He will continue the current behavioral guidelines for at least another month. Yesterday i announced that we would be extending our social distance guidelines through the end of april. This is based on modeling that shows the peak in fatalities will not arrive for another two weeks. The same modeling also shows that by very vigorously following these guidelines, we could save more than 1 million american lives. Challenging times are ahead for the next 30 days, and this is a very vital 30 days. Were sort of putting it all on the line. This 30 days so important because we have to get back. But the more we dedicate ourselves today, the more quickly we will emerge on the other side of the crisis. That was todays message from the white house. Again, a far cry from the push to reopen the nation by easter. It was followed by a parade of ceos stepping up to the mic to talk about what their companies were doing and in some cases the products they make. There was even talk of sending equipment we dont need to other nations. Those announcements coming in as new cases in this country soar past 161,000 now with nearly 3,000 lives lost. This morning we heard a startling comment from the coordinator of the Coronavirus Task force that put this battle to slow this outbreak into a kind of grim perspective. If we do things together well, almost perfectly, we could get in the range of 100,000 to 200,000 fatalities. We dont even want to see that. Just to repeat these numbers, they are talking in terms of 100,000 fatalities to 200,000 fatalities. Those numbers and the decision to set april 30th as the next goal for getting back to business as usual emerged late yesterday. And i think its entirely conceivable that if we do not mitigate to the extent that were trying to do, that you could reach that number. 100,000 . Yeah, yeah. Its possible. Dr. Birx and i spent a considerable amount of time going over all the data, why we felt this was a best choice of us, and the president accepted it. Were going to bring down the number of infections so we dont have 2. 2 Million Deaths or 1. 6 Million Deaths. So if we can hold that down as were saying to 100,000, thats a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100,000 and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job. Here is a reminder of what the president said back in february about what he expected to happen by april. Theres a theory that in april when it gets warm, historically that has been able to kill the virus. Thats around the corner, so that will be a great thing. I think when we get into april and the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus. U. S. Retailers among the hardest hit as americans brace for longterm coronavirus shutdowns. Just today, macys kohls, the gap announced they would be furloughing the majority of their workers, leaving tens of thousands without work. A growing number of states are imposing strict orders to stay home. Washington, d. C. , arizona, maryland, virginia all joined the list today. Virginias order is the most extreme. That extends out, again, 70 days, puts us in june. A reminder here that Governor Ralph Northam of virginia is a medical doctor by training. President trump said today he has no plans to issue a nationwide stayathome order. Some states stillose all noness businesses. Among them, florida, number six on the list of states with the most cases of the virus. They happen to have a huge Senior Citizen population. Governor ron desantis announced today hes shutting down some counties in the southeast part of the state and setting up roadblocks blaming outofstaters for the coronavirus cases there. And so given the new york city area is the number one hot spot in the world right now, when the new york governor instituted the stayinplace order, we started noticing a huge uptick in traffic out of the city, many of them coming to florida. So we view that as problematic. And just a reminder here. This was the scene during spring break in clearwater beach, not in south florida, just over a week ago. A jacksonville city official grapple with the highest number of cases in the United States. There is now a Field Hospital in central park. 68 beds available. Theres now a Navy Hospital ship docked in the hudson river, another 1,000 beds. As the hospital ship comfort passed by the statue of liberty, a memorable photo was born in that instant. Chicago also dealing with escalating cases will convert its enormous Mccormick Place Convention Center into the states first Field Hospital for some 3,000 patients by april 24. In los angeles, the National Guard converted the citys Convention Center into a Field Hospital there to relieve the burden on the citys overcrowded medical facilities. Medical staff across the country have been warning of dire shortages of protective equipment, mostly masks. Yesterday trump suggested that hospitals were to blame for the rate at which these masks were being used up, and he threw out that same inference again today. You expressed some concern in the past that medical supplies were going out the back door and that perhaps yeah. Some hospitals were doing things well, i already expressed what was told to me by a tremendous power in the business. He said that at a new york hospital, for a long period of time he was giving 10,000, maybe maximum 20,000 masks over a short time. And all of a sudden hes giving 300,000. And i said no matter how bad this is, could that be possible . He said, no. So theres only a couple of things that could happen. Is it going out the back door . And ive reported it to the city and let the city take a look at it. Theres something going on. And tonight the governor of new york was asked about the president s comments. The exponential increase in the ppe is real, right . Almost in the hospitals now, theres covid ppe, noncovid ppe. Everybodys wearing covid ppe because you dont know who has covid. You dont know who doesnt have covid. Every time they see a patient, they have to change their ppe. So, yes, the burn rate of the ppe is much, much higher. On that note and here for our leadoff discussion on a monday night as we start a new week, stephanie ruhle, Senior Business correspondent for nbc news, a veteran of the Investment Banking and business world, the host of the 9 00 a. M. Hour on this network. Nancy cook, White House Reporter for politico. And dr. Dahlia riss, the chief of division of hospital medicine at mt. Sinai Beth Israel Medical Center in new york. Good evening and welcome to all of you. Var nancy, id like to begin with you. Its a question about government and structure and the white house response. Is the white house is okay with 50 governors, some more than others, taking the lead on this . Well, i think that what the white house in the last week has really been trying to do is shift a lot of the authority and the responsibility for the response to governors. Ive talked with a number of Senior Administration officials in the last week, and theyre really trying to say that its up to governors to get the resources that they need, you know, if theyre resourceful and strong leaders, theyll be able to get that, and the white house is really just there to offer a backstop. So thats what im hearing from Senior Administration officials. I do think the view from the governors is much different. Theyre saying that we cant be in competition with one another for these key medical supplies. Some governors are begging for protective equipment. And were seeing really harrowing tales out of hospitals in places like new york where theres a shortage and where i think that people want more leadership from the federal government and more leadership from trump when, in fact, usual lip at these press conferences that he has every day, theres a lot of happy talk about things that are happening, these Public Private partnerships, the test capacity being ramped up, which hes exaggerating, and so i think that were seeing a real disconnect between what the governors are saying they need and what theyre telling people and what the white house is trumpeting. Dr. Nancy just mentioned the stresses on new york hospitals. Tell us about the stress on your institution. Well, at the hospital were seeing every day rising numbers very rapidly, i mean it feels like a tsunami is about to hit. It started in the boroughs. Queens and brooklyn are being hit the hardest right now, but all over the city were seeing rising volumes, increasing number of patients that are presenting to the emergency room that are sicker than they were before, more utilization of our acute units. The icus are expanding very rapidly. Our need for increasing the ventilator support for those patients is happening very quickly. And of course its natural to have to use more ppe because were seeing in the hospitals many more patients presenting. A larger percentage of the patients that are coming to the hospital now are infected. Many more patients, a larger percentage on the hospital wards, are infected. When you think about all the numbers of people that have to actually see those patients throughout the course of the day, the burn rate will be very high. And were trying very, very hard to conserve but not put our staff in danger. Stephanie ruhle, we learned of more unemployed just today. Every reason to believe that were going to see yet another spike in unemployment applications when they come out. What is the fastest date these newly unemployed workers will get help, and how far are we, stephanie, from the discussion you kind of often hear about, quote, shutting down the u. S. Economy, going into power save and somehow trying to ride it out . Well, lets just break this down because, remember, the c. A. R. E. Act, we keep hearing over and over from members of congress and from the president , you know, help is on the way. 2 trillion to help individuals, small business, and big business alike. Thats a Huge Positive and a hugely positive headline. But as far as cutting those checks, no checks have been cut yet, and bills are due on wednesday. You mentioned earlier Companies Like the gap, macys, and other major retailers furloughing employees. We know the unemployment number is going to spike, and just think about this. For people in new york alone, they are scrambling. They cannot get through the phone lines are constantly busy. Websites from state to state have crashed, and im not saying its the fault of the federal government. But weve now put in place a system where were saying theres 2 trillion to give out to the american people, but the pipes dont work yet. Youve got states like connecticut and california scrambling to hire people to work in the Unemployment Office to handle these claims, but that hasnt happened yet. So if youre one of the millions of people in the restaurant business, in the Retail Industry where you never thought youd be seeking unemployment, youre now trying to file it for the very first time in your life because you do have those bills to pay and you cant even get through on the phone. It is a panicked, stressed time, brian. Nancy cook, here are my, in no particular order, my notes from the live event in the rose garden we witnessed today. The president talked about sending 100 million worth of things to italy. He went on to detail only that they were medical surgical equipment. Told us he has an acquaintance in a coma. Talked about his hair. Talked about the panic he could cause if he chose to. He said he knows south korea better than anybody. And he said people are very impressed with the job theyre doing. And somehow amid all this, he came off his goal of having churches filled and america back to work by easter sunday. Whats your reporting on who around him told the truth and made him concentrate . Well, i think that two weeks ago we really saw the economic officials take the lead on this, and they had convinced him that it was very important to reopen the economy by easter. But what my reporting shows is that sunday, yesterday, before he went out for the briefing, he was really given a lot of data on what would happen to the country and the number of deaths that could escalate if he reopened the economy too quickly. And i do feel like numbers speak to the president. So does the idea that his polling could drop. You know, i think people were kelling him political advisers were saying, if we dont get this virus under control, this could be something that could hurt you closer to the election in november. And he did listen to them. I mean the thing about the president is that he usually does not have fixed ideology, and that is part of a hallmark of this white house, and often hell swing between positions or swing between the house advisers who are in favor. And this sunday it so happened that the Health Officials were in favor, and he listened to them. I think that he is very worried about his reelection prospects. The white house is very worried about being held responsible for the Testing Capacity and the idea that they did not ramp up that quickly enough. One way to damp that down is to keep people at home for longer and hope they can get their arms around the virus more and hope they can slow the spread of it and hope that they can also, you know, get equipment to the states and make that a positive story for them. Hey, doctor brian, think about what hang on, stephanie, just because of this delay. Forgive me. Let me go to the doctor and well circle back around to you. Sorry. Doctor, for your counterpart in florida, a state that as we sit here doesnt yet have a stayathome order, what would you warn your counterpart at a hospital in an urban area in florida is on the way, what to prepare for, especially given the population of seniors . Well, i have family that live in florida, and i have already told them not to go out, not to go shopping except for food, not to do their normal activities, no the to not to go to the beach. Even though that hasnt been formalized, im very concerned that the virus has infiltrated the communities. And unfortunately what were going to see is that hospitals are going to be become very overwhelmed very rapidly, and i have significant concerns for communities of elderly people with many comorbidities because even in new york were seeing the cat has been completely let out of the bag. Its very hard to keep up the pace. Even the surprising feature of having younger people present with advanced respiratory distress and illness needing intubation is of extreme concern to all of us. So absolutely i would warn people to really look at your communities, try to aggressively test as these tests become available. The point of c. A. R. E. Testing is encouraging, but only if we use it properly and encourage people to stay home. I would not tell people to go and actively seek out care at hospitals. They will become overwhelmed. I will say you must go and use telehealth resources and phone your physicians and stay home as much as possible and only seek care when youre in respiratory distress or very, very weak, which could be a sign of sepsis. I do have concerns, brian, absolutely. Stephanie ruhle. I want you to think about this for a moment, brian. A week ago when the president was listening to, quote, unquote, the ceo set and was quick to say, lets get this country up and running by easter, think about what happened yesterday. He listened to dr. Fauci. He listened to the health professionals. And what did the market do today . It went up, breathing a sigh of relief that the president , while he may be filled with bluster and showmanship and in some cases nonsense when hes at the podium speaking in the rose garden, but when it comes to policy that doesnt just Impact Health but impacts longterm economies, they take it well because if the president were to open up, lets say, too soon, that wouldnt just hurt us from a health perspective. It would hurt us economically. To stephanie ruhle, to nancy cook, to dr. Dahlia rizk, our thanks to joining us as we start another consequential week. Coming up for us, a look at how one of the states between the two coasts is faring. The governor of the state of colorado joins us next. And later, it feels like a lifetime ago, but its been just 12 days since we first spoke to one of the nurses on the front lines of this crisis. Tonight she tells us what she is seeing now on the inside at the hospital. The 11th hour just Getting Started on this monday night. 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The governor of colorado says his state has slowed down the rate of coronavirus cases thanks to more stateimposed social distancing measures. Colorados been under a stayathome order since thursday. Number of cases there is now over 2,600 and, sadly, over 50 souls have now died. Over the weekend, the president approved the states request for federal disaster funding. To talk more about it, were happy to be joined by the democratic governor of colorado, jared polis. Governor, first of all, what do you think is yet to come . Second, what do you need . What dont you have . Yeah, this is going to get worse before it gets better. So while were seeing as expected a decrease in the rate of the expansion, its still expanding very rapidly. And theres a bit of a lag effect there because it takes five or six days from exposure until somebody starts exhibiting symptoms, and it often takes another seven or eight days until they might require hospitalization. So we have over 400 people in the hospital with covid19 right now. Its going to get a lot worse, which is why all of our state preparations are around additional beds, personal protection equipment, and making sure we have enough ventilators for that peak even as we seek to push that peak back by issuing a stayathome order, which is why every coloradan and really no matter where you live in the country, you should stay at home unless absolutely necessary to go out whether youre mayor or governor has ordered it or not. If someone drives up to an e. R. Presenting with covid19 symptoms in aurora, in denver, in fort collins, are they in all three cases going to be able to get tested . Well, we recommend that if you have covid19 symptoms, you dont go out. You dont just randomly go to the hospital. You might expose others. You should stay in. Only seek medical attention if you need it, if youre having severe respiratory difficulties. Remember, 80 to 90 of people with covid19 will not require any medical intervention. You can stay at home. You can selfmedication if you need with afrin or acetaminophen or aspirin. But you only need to seek medical attention if youre in dire need. Otherwise, no matter whether its the flu or covid19, issue simply stay at home and isolate. I guess my question was about testing. Do you have a testing deficit, or do you have are you up to pretty much ondemand levels there . We it just sent out about 3,500 tests to our counties. Weve increased the capacity of our state lab. While we have enough for clinical testing, meaning 23 somebody admits with covid19 symptoms, theyre tested, we certainly need a lot more before we can scale it up to mass testing, before we can do anything like south korea is doing, like in other countries that have successfully managed this crisis. Were are working very hard. We pulled in top leaders from the private sector to head up our Innovation Team at our Emergency Operations center to scale up mass testing and screening as quickly as we can. But were we, like everybody else in america, arent there yet. I get that they are vastly different places, but when the governor of virginia, again an m. D. By trade, recommends a stayathome policy 70 days out that puts us into june, does that get your attention . Is there an application for colorado, and are you going to start sneaking forward the date youve set as the end date until the wait and see period . Well, you know, its going to be based on science and data. I dont think anybody has a crystal ball to know whether its going to be april 30th or may 10th or even later. What we do know is people are also suffering by not being able to earn paychecks. Thank goodness theyre going to be getting 1,200 from the federal government, 500 for every kid. But that isnt enough to pay your groceries for very long. We now this countervailing thing, in addition to trying to contain it, we hope we can return to some degree of economic normalcy. It doesnt mean things will be exactly as they were but more people need to get back to work and earn a living. Its absolutely essential as soon as possible while acting to save lives. The democratic governor of the state of colorado, jared po polis. Thank you, governor, very much for your time tonight especially considering what youre all dealing with out in the Rocky Mountain states tonight. Coming up for us, the fallout after one university makes the controversial decision to reopen its oncampus dorms. More on that when we come back. Theres my career,. My cause,. My choir. Im a work in progress. So much goes. Into who i am. Hiv medicine is one part of it. Prescription dovato is for adults who are starting hiv1 treatment and who arent resistant to either of the medicines dolutegravir or lamivudine. Dovato has 2. 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First of all, this is the current case count. Across the country there are now about 160,000 cases. This is where they are by state here. You can see obviously it is new york state and really its new york city in the immediate area right outside new york city. This number here for new york state, this accounts for nearly 40 , nearly 40 of all cases in the United States are in new york. Then of course right outside new york, the state of new jersey another big one. Connecticut, that sort of tristate area, thats a big component of what we have been talking about obviously. You know that. Weve seen it as well. Chicago a hot spot. Weve seen new orleans emerge as a hot smpot. Weve seen california. The number is big for california although relative to its population, that number has not exploded like weve seen in new york. Still weve seen 6,300 cases in california. Seattle, washington, that area, the Seattle Metro area, thats been another big one. Also by the way you heard there in the last segment from the governor of colorado. Ski areas, ski resort towns in colorado, utah, even into idaho where folks were traveling really from all over the world in february, even into early march in and out of those towns, you saw a high concentration relatively speaking in those towns as well. Thats where we have seen it. Now, the question of course is where is it going next . Lets take a look at this. Im going to take you through two levels. Were calling these emerging hot spots. In the last seven days, when you get outside of the big ones i was just talking about, in the last seven days, these are the metro areas where you have seen the biggest case counts per capita, the biggest case counts per person in the population. Detroit, milwaukee, indianapolis, miami, those cities, those metro areas. In detroit, youre talking about in the detroit area really, youre talking about just in the last seven days or so, about 4,000 cases have emerged. Youre talking, you know, big numbers in those places. So right now in the last seven days, weve started to talk about these. Then the question becomes where might we be having this conversation . What might we be talking about in the next seven days . Questioning whether this is the next wave. This is where youve seen the largest rate of increase, the metro areas where youve seen the largest rate of increase over the last seven days. The raw numbers in some of these places are not necessarily that big. But youre starting to see a rate of increase there where its starting to sort of embed itself. And the question is, is it going to grow dramatically . Are we going to be talking about places like asheville, north carolina, mobile, alabama, toledo, ohio. Thats the question for the next few days. Hey, steve . Brian williams, yes. Thank you for picking up. We briefly lost communications where i am, and so i appreciate you doing that. Second question, though, is there a math formula . You talked about a potential multiplier, ski resorts. Weve had airports where passengers have been crammed together as these flight restrictions have started coming back from europe. They expect a kind of boomlet of cases. But is there just plain math that we apply almost from east to west . Its tough to see right now, and thats wa wehat weve been trying to figure out looking at these. Theres so much more testing, it looks like, that has started to take place just in the last week or so where youre really starting to get a stronger sense in all these different places. But i think theres still a lot of unevenness in the numbers, and theres a lot of unevenness in the data thats out there right now. So we were putting these together today, and i think the best thing i can say is were looking at these because the numbers we do have suggest these places have seen a big increase in the last few days. But i wouldnt be 100 confident that these are going to be the next wave or there arent others that are going to emerge just because the testing really has been so uneven. We appreciate you combining your talent and technology on this of all subjects. Seems like just yesterday we were covering the political season. Steve kornacki at our home base studio. Today virginia, as weve been saying, joined the growing number of states with stayathome orders but went a step further. Governor Ralph Northam said residents should avoid all travel except for essential purposes for 72 days until june 10. That is the longest stayathome order imposed thus far in any of our 50 states. For more, im joined by mayor trueny tweetty of lynchburg, virginia. Mayor, would you surprised at 70 days because elsewhere in the country, were sure looking at that example and wondering what your governor knows that the rest of us should know or perhaps are going to find out. You know, i was not surprised at that, brian, and i am glad that our administration has taken this very seriously and they want our residents safe. And so if the governor and his administration feel that thats how long we need to do it, we are preparing our residents for that. I have to ask you about a big employer, maybe your largest local employer, and thats Liberty University. Its been getting a lot of press attention because the president , mr. Fallwell, welcomed or allowed students of liberty to return to campus after spring break. Weve been chronicling the various activities of spring breakers this year doing exactly what the government in so many cases have said not to do, and thats what kids do when they huddle together and gather in large groups. This puts you in a tough spot because of all your local employees who are tied to that campus. The students come back, bringing with them all the contacts they had on spring break. So how have you dealt with this . We had a number of residents that were very concerned. We are a college town, and so we have five colleges and universities here, and we had other colleges and universities who did make the arrangements for their students not to return after spring break but to go on to their online and so we were hopeful and we asked Liberty University to do that same thing. They made a different decision at some point. They had assured thaus that the would go to the Online Platform and only a few students who we knew needed to be there, president falwell said, who were some of the international students, some aviation students, maybe a couple of labs, and 200 to 300 or so students. So we were very surprised when that decision had been made later in the week to allow the campus to be open and all students or those students who wanted to return could return to the campus and do Online Platform on the campus in resident dorms. So we were surprised and very disappointed. Our residents were concerned. We receive td a firestorm of emails and calls regarding this action. And so that is why we had to respond to our community to let them know what we had asked an point the decision was changed, but that as a community, we would get through this. We would adhere to all of the medical experts, work with our Health District to make sure that we lessen the impact of returning students and for all of our citizens. Mayor trenny tweedy of lynchburg. Thank you with all youre dealing with to make time for us. Coming up, one prominent veteran republican calls the president s handling of this crisis a scandal for the ages. A look at the president ial learning curve as he sees it when we come back. Claritind improves nasal airflow 2x more than the leading allergy spray at hour 1. Claritind. Get more airflow. For ralphies appointment. Whos his groomer . Carrie. Full groom for sure what . I just booked ralphies appointment online. That work . Wait you what . 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Now, you treat this like a flu. When you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero its going to disappear. One day its like a miracle, it will disappear. The democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. This is their new hoax. The bulwark was among the very first to point out that u. S. Coronavirus were about to eclipse the death toll from september 11th. Quote, this pandemic will be more consequential than 9 11. It probably already is. People just dont realize it because they still think, still feel that once this is all over, we will get to go back to the way things used to be. We wont. Back with us tonight is bill kristol, veteran of the reagan and bush administrations, the editor at large over at the bulwark. Bill, its good to see you at long last, and i guess im going to ask you what people ask each other on broadcasts all day long. What do you think is going to happen . Whats this going to look like, feel like . What do you think life is going to be like six months from now . The obvious answer is we dont know. I think this will have longerrange effects than we realize right now, and it is important, i dont think were going back to the way things were. There will be all kinds of cultural, sociological changes. But on the points you made and Steve Schmidt made there was a good article in the New York Times that things may be starting to turn. It may get worse before it gets better for the next two, three weeks, about you if they turn, it will be due to mayors, governors, public Health Officials, the citizenry doing social distancing. Whats amazing when you see those clips of donald trump, its not only that he didnt help, he was actually an obstacle to our dealing with this crisis. He was an obstacle to citizens behaving responsibly which theyve been pretty willing to do once asked and told what to do. He was an obstacle to the private sector and to governors rallying to produce the masks and the ventilators and the personal protective equipment that we now still are so desperately short of. He was an obstacle to getting the testing going. There were mistakes by the cdc, but hes president. He could have had a sense of urgency about it. So the degree to which, you know, there are always government failures. President s dont get things right. The degree to which this one man was an obstacle to our dealing with this crisis that was going to be difficult anyway, i think thats really unusual in american history, thank god. Weve had some president s who have messed things up, but to actually do damage as president and still to be doing so unfortunately, thats unusual. Tell me about the trump base. Im sorry to reduce it to raw politics, but what do you think will happen to the trump base . I think the base will stick, but there was a rally to the flag effect among some uncertain Trump Supporters and some trump skeptics even over the last week or two, and that began when he began to take the virus seriously. That was just about two weeks ago when he pivoted a little bit. I have a sense that was never as large as it has been in the past. Jimmy carter and others, george w. Bush, when theres a rally to the flag effect after the beginning of a crisis, even if the president hadnt done a very good jb leading up to the crisis or didnt do a good job in managing the crisis. Think of jimmy carter. He still got a big bump for a while, but it faded. It feels like its beginning to fade. I think these press conferences, they helped him for a while. But i think voters think, come on, this is serious. This is really affecting one. Obviously im sitting here talking to you on skype. Thank god im fine and thank god youre fine, and so we have nothing to complain about, but so many people are going through difficult circumstances medically and economically, and everyone is affected, and they look up and they say, is this really the leadership we have . So i think the base will be there. The base is with him. But i actually think the rally to the flag kind of sentiment may be fading a bit, and reality may be hitting. Well, for now at least, this is us. Im glad to know we can make this contact with you. Were likely to be calling again soon. Bill kristol, thank you very much for opening up your home and for proving to all of us that i must have the same bookshelves as you do. Thank you very much. Coming up, a dispatch from the front lines in the frustrating and exhausting fight to keep americans alive these days when we come back. You wouldnt accept an incomplete job from anyone else. So why accept it from your allergy pills . 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