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tonight, two american communities now take their places on the list of cities that will forever be associated with gun violence and the lose of innocent lives as the combined death tolls from el paso and dayton reached 31. the president condemns white supremacy and spreads the blame along the internet, video games and mental illness and says nothing about his own inflammatory rhetoric, words in regular use by white supremacist. as americans look to their lawmakers to do something, millions wondering if this time will be the time for congress to break its pattern. its modern day tradition of inaction. all of it as the 11th hour gets underway on a monday night. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 928 of the trump administration and tonight stun aid mer cans are dealing with the aftermath of not one but two deadly mass shootings over this past weekend, 13 hours apart. the death toll in el paso, texas rose to 22 today after a 21-year-old gunman armed with an assault-style rifle opened fire at a walmart on saturday. the suspect is in custody. he appeared in court on sunday. the magistrate in the courtroom said the suspect was atentative and held without bond. investigators are examining a creed posted online by the suspect shortly before the shooting was underway. hours later, dayton, ohio, nine people killed when a gunman opened fire outside a bar in a popular neighborhood there at about 1:00 a.m. seconds after opening fire, that after he had already managed to kill so many. president trump is expected to travel to dayton and el paso and speaking out. >> the shooter in el paso posted a manifesto online and it must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. these sinister ideologies must be defeated. he has no place in america ravageds the heart and devours the soul. >> the president then went on to suggest violent video games and mental illness are to blame for these mass shootings. >> we must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment but when necessary. mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun. those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety do not have access to firearms and many they do. that is why i called for a red flag law also known as extreme. maggie put it this time, it is unlikely mr. trump's ten-minute remarks would reposition him as a reunifier responsible for he took no responsibility for the atmosphere of division, nor did he recognize his own reluctance for white nationalism until now the rhetoric has come under intense scrutiny. >> the country puts the name in the basket and pick people out of the lottery. this one is a murderer. this one robbed four banks. this one i better not say -- this one another murderer. ladies and gentlemen another murderer. >> tonight following a hauntingly familiar pattern, the conversation has turned to what's next. >> the country puts the name in the basket and pick people out of the lottery. this one is a murderer. this one robbed four banks. this one i better not say -- this one another murderer. ladies and gentlemen another murderer. >> tonight following a hauntingly familiar pattern, the conversation has turned to what's next. we want to show you something that took place on in network earlier today, here is former republican, former florida republican congressman david jolly appearing are nicole wallace and predicting that as long as republicans remain in power, nothing regarding gun control will get done. >> republicans will never do anything on gun control. nothing. ever. they won't. think about las vegas. they did nothing when 500 people were injured. the pulse nightclub 50 killed. the question for the nation is do we allow terrorists to buy firearms, park land did nothing. go to sandy hook in connecticut, nothing. the jewish temple in pittsburgh, nothing. the jewish temp in san diego, nothing. now we have texas and ohio in the same weekend and all we get is silence, and so i say that because if this is the issue that informs your ideology, the strength is to commit to beating republicans. >> here for our lead off discussion on a monday night, sam stein politics editor at "the daily beast" and for "the washington post" and moderator of "washington week" on pbs and covering race and ethnicity for the associated press and raul ryes, an attorney that happen the to be from el paso, texas. for that reason i would like to begin with you after i quote something phil rutter has written. the essay titled the inconvenient truth, this is the gunman in el paso closely mirror trump's rhetoric and the language of the white nationalist movement including a warning about the hispanic invasion of texas. the authors ideology is so aligned with the president's that he decided to conclude the manifesto by clarifying that his views predate trump's 2016 campaign arguing that blaming him would amount to fake news. another trump phrase. talk about the evil that has been visited upon your town. >> it is truly unbelievable and not only my entire family is from el paso originally. i was there this weekend for family reunion and when this type of horrendous act occurs, you don't process it while there. listening to the president's speech, there are two things that absolutely jump out at me. number one is something my colleague at nbc news pointed out. in his remarks today, this -- he did not even use the words hispanic or latino and this was a massacre target that targeted latinos in el paso. so that's number one. number two, his response was so lukewarm and i remember when kate steinle one american citizen was murdered in 2015, after that happened, the president elevated her case into a national issue and constantly brought it up on the trail demanding justice for her killer acquitted of murder and when we saw the shooter in san kate steinle one american citizen was murdered in 2015, after that happened, the president elevated her case into a national issue and constantly brought it up on the trail demanding justice for her killer acquitted of murder and when we saw the shooter in san bernardino, who happened to be a pakistan descent. the president called for a total ban on muslims to the united states and now when we have what is obviously a hate crime that targets latinos in a city 8 0% hispanic, the president offers up lukewarm words in a passive voice. that's totally unacceptable coming from our president. >> robert costa, we heard people a lot of them democrats over the weekend call for the senate to be brought back from the summer recess, gavelled into order and forced to pass some sort of legislation. a lot of people quickly answered that by saying we don't have that kind of u.s. senate. what country are they living in? are republicans telling you tonight? >> advisors to top senate republicans say the only legislation at this point that's realistic is a red flag law that's being worked on by senator gram of south carolina and senator blumenthal from connecticut. those close to senator tumy of connecticut and west virginia about their proportional which would expand background checks universally say that could not pass this mitch mcconnell lead senate at this moment. until there is more political capital behind gun control, whether it comes from the outside or house democrats, it's only going to be a red flag law at this point. my sources in the white house and in the senate say that's the only thing that's possible at least here on monday night. >> we knew they were all there, but what fault lines did these particular shootings over the weekend expose? >> well, it's good to be with you, brian, although i'm sorry it has to be for this. i think what this weekend exposed were the converging of three of the most divisive issues of this country. this is not who we are, which is what we hear on the primary campaign trail for a lot of democrats so far and, you know, that's not true. we know that's not true on guns and we know it's also not true on race, and so you know, this country has a long history of white supremacy and of racial violence and so the question of whether or not this is not who we want to be, remains to be seen and is something that we're going to see in the coming days but we certainly know who president trump is and he is somebody who rarely uses the kind of rhetoric that he used today speaking from that teleprompter condemning white supremacy and racism and bigotry and so it will also be interesting to see if because we know who he is, i guess you could call it the charlottesville effect, whether he will stick to the words that he said here today as he heads to el paso and to dayton or whether he'll backtrack and not really set the tone the type of tone that he said that we need as a nation to move past what he called crimes against all hue -- humanity. >> the difference between teleprompter truck and rally donald trump. sam stein, you're a thoughtful guy. >> thank you. >> i'm going to ask you to think on this question. how would the response, any of it, the coverage, the way the nation feels, how would it be different had god forbid a guy pulled the rip cord on a suicide vest in that walmart this weekend, same number of killed. >> i think raul talked about it. different. our political system is geared towards confronting one type of terrorism and not another. you can see it in the way trump responded this morning obviously. no call for a ban on whatever the equivalent of what domestic terrorist would be. there is no insistence that every resource of the federal government has to be spearheaded. keep in mind, we don't talk about the contributing factor of video games which is not a contributing factor of video games to other types of violence. we only talk about when it really is involving white men. so of course, the responses would be different. and, you know, we need to really reflect on that and what that means as a society, i'll say at this point we talked about this earlier today. trump is a known quantity. we know how he'll respond. we know how central white resentment is to his political movement and base and own personal ideology. that's really not that -- it's interesting but not that new to me. what's new and i think more dynamic is how we respond politically and culturally to this. when i'm looking for interesting stories, how republicans about and democratic candidates reacts and reflect on his coverage of this and whether we change how we cover the president and the movement he leads. >> that's a difficult thing to do to be honest at this point because this president has so moved the narrative around immigration and the clip that you showed earlier where the president was talking about pulling names out of a hat and making remarks about that, he was talking about the diversity visa lottery. that's legal immigration. that is not illegal immigration, but we are so conditioned to him speaking about immigrants and dehumanizing terms and we in the media are so exhausted by fact checking him constantly. it's almost those type of remarks just passed. i can tell you an in this case -- hearing the remarks, el paso does not want him to coal to the border. he's the last person that the people of el paso want to see in their city in the wake of this shooting. el paso was one of the safest cities in the u.s. more people were killed on saturday than the entire last year there. this say community that rejects donald trump in spirit, actions and this ugly, ugly rhetoric that caused tremendous devastation that people of el paso will be dealing with and living with for generations. >> just a quick point on that. i agree. there is a numbness to this that we've sort of absorbed. we played the clip throughout the day of trump in the panhandle talking about migrants invading the country and someone screaming shoot them. that was a one-day story. we think about that. no one actually spoke out against it at the panel at the time. we before we came onset we talked about this "new york times" piece about 2,000 ads run by the trump campaign mentioning the idea of an invasion. right now we look at that like repulsive term but these ads were being run in realtime on facebook and know one said boo about it. so there is a certain numbness to it. i don't know how we recover from that because once you grow numb, can you get the sensation back? >> before i hand it to you, i want to read "the new york times" story. since january mr. trump's campaign posted more than 2,000 ads on facebook that include the word invasion. part of a barrage of advertising focus on immigration, dominant theme of messaging, a review of tweets found repeated references to invasion heavily featured dark warnings about immigrants breaching america's borders. sometimes we force you into being the spokesperson, the whisperer for republicans on the hill. this does with each passing day make it tougher. >> here is the reality. we often hear in the media and just generally in politics about people like jared kushner being close to president trump having their fingerprints over the 2020 presidential campaign. but when you talk to top republicans on capitol hill and those working inside of the trump campaign, they say without a doubt it's president trump no one else like a more centrists republican or democrat like mr. kushner who is running this campaign strategically, he wants to run toward the native immigration as the central burning issue for his reelection campaign. he believes that base turnout is the only way he possibly wins again in 2020 along with the strong economy in his eyes and so that's where he's going to go politically again and again. you don't see the apology for the way he describing four minority women searching in the house of representatives or apology for the way his rhetoric in different ways may inflame the national debate. >> indeed, that's what we hear. that the president is going to go deep and that involves his base. this is all happening however with what? two dozen democrats in the race and with our former president today putting out a statement that might as well call out donald trump by name. >> absolutely. i mean, we have certainly seen over the weekend and already into today the condemnation by all of the 2020 democratic candidates both of white supremacy, white nationalism that they feel is being motivated by this white house and kind of renewed sense of urgency from these candidates and the need to defeat him because there is a need to defeat this hyper racial and racist climate that a lot of democrats feel that we are in in this moment and so i know that senator cory booker is talking about delivering a major speech on gun violence in charleston on thursday. and i think that that certainly speaks to the moment that we find ourselves in in the sense of urgency he feels to address this against that backdrop of you know that horrific shooting that was, you know, that was a made crime motivated by racism proceeded president trump's election obviously but nonetheless, you know, was happening in a climate that was already brewing and that trump certainly saw and took advantage of headed into the 2016 election he returned to the racial playbook in the 2018 election and it's something he seen be successful for him for his voters and so headed into 2020, we are already seeing that he plans on continuing to use that racial playbook as what he sees as a path to victory and i mean, if we just back up to before this weekend's events, i mean, we were dealing with, you know, past couple of weeks that saw him feuding with these four congresswomen and calling out elijah cummings and degrading the city of baltimore and refer to immigrants in the terms since he came down the escalator, you know, in 2015, so i mean, i think that it's going to be interesting to see as bob said kind of how we go forward and what changes in this going forward. >> indeed. >> the tone. >> this bears repeating, you see the graphic at the bottom of your screen. we were dealing with, you know, past couple of weeks that saw him feuding with these four congresswomen and calling out elijah cummings and degrading the city of baltimore and refer to immigrants in the terms since he came down the escalator, you know, in 2015, so i mean, i think that it's going to be interesting to see as bob said kind of how we go forward and what changes in this going forward. >> indeed. >> the tone. >> this bears repeating, you see the graphic at the bottom of your screen. 31 souls going on about their lives entering a summer weekend are no longer here among us and it happened in the space of 13 hours. to our big four guests starting us off tonight, sam stein, robert costa, erin and raul, thank you very much. coming up, a call for courage and action against gun violence from a lawmaker that calls el paso home and what law enforcement is and should be doing to try to better prevent what we've just witnessed if such a thing is indeed possible. 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and working in el paso. where do you stand on the president's visit. >> quite frankly, our community right now is overwhelmed with a response. our law enforcement are still investigating and busy as you can see behind me, there are large crowds attending the memorial so there is several law enforce the. our first responders are busy and patients fighting for their lives. a visit from the president would add more pressure. we need time to heal and work amongst ourselves to get our community moving forward. >> as our guest raul was just leaving the studio, i mentioned to him i had family there and he said, el paso is such a chill place, and indeed, it was so proud of being a peaceful city. explain to viewers watching tonight who may not understand it just how much the culture of juarez mexico and there, the population is linked. >> i had the opportunity to meet your brother and i think he like many el paso citizens would say it's number one one of the safest cities in the country and two, a very tight knit community. we're a large small town. a lot of people have familiar ties. we have family ties in mexico and juarez across the bridge. i have fond memories as a child going with my grandparents to juarez and visiting my cousins that lived over there. this is a by national community. multilingual and we love our culture here, our food, culture, language is something we're proud of. we're also a very proud military city with fort bliss, white sands and hollowman air force base close by as a veteran and the son of a veteran, we're a proud american city that loves the culture. we're also a very proud military city with fort bliss, white sands and hollowman air force base close by as a veteran and the son of a veteran, we're a proud american city that loves the culture. >> can you believe your proud city name will enter that list we carry around places like sandy hook that's in the back of our minds we associate with gun violence like this. >> you know, brian, i think el paso like any other city that deals with a shooting from evil people, we will not allow this idiot to define us. we'll continue to be strong. this city is a welcoming city to immigrants. from all over the world, they come to our community because they seek refuge from countries that are in bad shape. acts of violence like this will not change who we are. we will continue to be a welcoming community to let all immigrants know throughout the world that the united states will welcome you with open arms. >> cesar blanco, thank you sir very much for finding the time to talk to us. our condolences to the entire community there and to our viewers, a couple of you brought to our attention, in trying to fix the president calling dayton toledo, we renamed it denver. dayton, ohio. coming up for us, president trump singled out mental illness, video games and the media. he left out any notion of gun reform legislation. our next guest explains to us what he wants to see the president push for in a gun control policy. coming up for us, president trump singled out mental illness, video games and the media. he left out any notion of gun reform legislation. our next guest explains to us what he wants to see the president push for in a gun control policy. termites, feasting on homes 24/7. we're on the move. roger. hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we're good. we're good. termites never stop trying to get in, we never stop working to keep them out. terminix. defenders of home. >> president trump blaming the culture of violence for the deadly shootings. there weren't more calls for gun control but the focus on mental health. our nbc news political unit reminds us quote shortly after taking office trump rolled back an obama era regulation that would have made the harder for people with mental illness to buy guns. joins us is author of "guns down" how to build a safer future with fewer guns. welcome to you. i want to show our viewers the cover of the rupert murdoch owned new york post this morning that caught a lot of people by surprise given what "the new york post" is, its relationship to the right, to the president, let me ask you a defeatest question by nature. the estimates are there are eight to 15 million ar-15 gun platforms already in the marketplace. they are already owned by someone. what would it do now? >> that's a great question, and the good news is we know how to control these weapons. so in 1996, we banned the sale of new machine guns, and what we did with existing machine guns, machine guns in circulation is we really regulated them heavily so right now there are 650,000 machine guns in circulation all over this country but when was the last time you heard of a machine gun being used in any shooting? you know, i went to the fbi website to check and there is not even a category for machine guns. why? because regulation work. you license it. you register it, and you raise the standard for gun ownership. we have to do that to all guns in america. >> where would you put the strength of the nra tonight versus ten years ago? >> look, they are certainly struggling. under trump they are struggling this crazy corruption has been exposed. their revenues are down. you have prominent gun enthusiasts saying we're no longer supporting the nra, but this is an organization that's incredibly resilient because it uses fear, because it uses moments like this to help the gun industry sell more guns, to help bring more membership dues into its coffer. i wouldn't under estimate the nra but certainly weaker today than they were. >> what law in the world would stop a highly motivated mentally ill gunman like the kid who walked into that walmart? >> no law would. in fact, you can't design any law to stop anything 100% and that's not what we're talking about, right? that's not the bar. we have laws against homicide. we have laws against insider trading. in fact, you can't design any law to stop anything 100% and that's not what we're talking about, right? that's not the bar. we have laws against homicide. we have laws against insider trading. yet people still do all of those things. what we're talking about is changing the environment in which guns are produced and purchased. what i mean is really cracking down on the kind of lethal weapons the gun industry can produce. they are not entitled to profit off the carnage. number two, it's ensuring if you want to own a gun, which is your constitutional right to do so, you get a license and register that weapon and we know then the nine states that already have gun licensing, they have lower rates of gun suicide, they have lower rates of gun homicide, these laws work. we need that to be a national standered. >> finally, a prediction, what's the most legislation you think we'll see as a result of this wave of homicides? >> i tell you what. senate democrats need to get back to washington d.c. and demand a debate on this issue. >> without their republican colleagues? >> they need to shame the republican colleagues. they need to be there to show the country they are the ones willing to disarm come he is -- domestic terrorists. walmart should stop selling guns and giving money to lawmakers and invest in gun buy-back programs and communities they serve. brian, they are a large store. they are the biggest gun seller and retailer. if they lean into this, they can save a lot of lives. >> dicks sports is getting all the attention for their ban. igor, thank you for dropping by our studio tonight. our next guest sadly but all but predicted a tragedy like these would happen. what the nation should prepare for perhaps in the next round. our next guest is not proud of a prediction he made. five days ago, frank the former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence wrote the following in an op ed in the "new york times" and we quote, instinct and experience tell me we're headed for trouble in the form of white hate violence stoked by a racially divisive president. he has chosen a reelection strategy based on appealing to the kinds of hatred, fear and ignorance that can lead to violence. and once again tonight, we have frank back on our broadcast. frank, what were the signs and how do we know how to navigate this tomorrow and the next day? this is -- this starts becoming the definition of terrorism when people develop anxiety about what should be free flowing public places. >> exactly right. the definition of terrorism is conduct designed to intimidate. if we don't take action, that will continue to play out. i have a piece out in the "new york times" what sadly i think is going to happen next if we don't disrupt the chain of rat -- radicalization. what were the warning signs in from my experience in international terrorism and radicalization to islamic jihad. you see the same things happening in white hate groups and white supremacy groups where our leader, our chief executive is seen as almost a mentor and a radicalizer and unfortunately, today, we did not hear what we needed to hear from that person that these extremists and unstable people look to. he spoke in the passive voice in the collective voice. we didn't hear i condemn white hate ideology. we heard the nation must condemn it. the nation does condemn it but we didn't hear what we needed to hear so what happens is the extremists interpreted what the president read off a script today as something he needed to say, something he didn't really want to say so the president is either getting really good advice and rejecting it or bad advice. i'll give you an example. we have to understand the ad ver -- adversary and threat. if we don't understand how to think, we won't understand how to encounter them. the president said that we will fly our flags at half mast until august 8th. that's 8/8. i'm not going to imply that he did this deliberately by using it as an example. the numbers 88 are significant in neo-nazi and white supremacist movement. the letter h is the eighth letter and 88 together stand for hile hitler. we'll raise the flag back up at dusk on 8/7. nobody is thinking about this or giving him advice or he's rejecting advice. understand your adversary to counter the ad ver scary. >> i know you're keeping your options open. you're saying it's possible someone who knows better is letter and 88 together stand for hile hitler. we'll raise the flag back up at dusk on 8/7. nobody is thinking about this or giving him advice or he's rejecting advice. understand your adversary to counter the ad ver scary. >> i know you're keeping your options open. you're saying it's possible someone who knows better is offering or editing the words that show up and are read verbatim or supposed to be by the president. >> i'm concerned about who is writing his script and his speeches and what would fascinate me is what he's rejecting. so it's possible that several iterations of this speech were given to him, someone with expertise and believe me, the expertise exists in our intelligence community and law enforce the community and civilian population how to counter radicalization. they could have advised him on writing an excellent speech to create an obstacle on the path to violence. he either chose to not take that advice or he's not even willing to solicit advice. >> we'll ask you to come back and explain as you see it and stuff we should know. frank, our guest tonight once again. thank you so much. coming up, the distinct challenges of dealing with domestic terrorism. >> any experienced domestic >> any experienced domestic terrorism, it's defined what it is and required to qualify something as domestic terrorism but isn't currently a crime in this country. it could easily be turned into a statute very similar to the statutes we have that criminalize conducting terrorism on behalf of or in support of a foreign power and that would put our investigators on a very different footing to attack this problem. >> we'll start our discussion there with what mr. mccabe talked about today on cnn and with us here in our new york studios, bill bratton and former chief of police in los angeles and former u.s. attorney joyce vance with us who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor and counselor, i'll start with you. what about the point andy mccabe made first of all, you're satisfied that what we've just witnessed fits the legal definition of domestic terrorism? >> you know, at least what we've seen in texas perhaps both incidents and i agree with andy, prosecutors will generally tell you that we need some sort of domestic terrorism statute. we should think very carefully about the behavior we want to criminalize and what we want law enforcement to be able to investigate it can't be slap dash so it has to be done thoughtfully and put it on an equal footing with foreign terrorism with the priority and prosecutors time so people understand it's a serious problem and needs to be addressed seriously. >> bill bratton, how on earth is law enforcement supposed to know about a kid that got mad and decided to get revenge? who is going to be -- we don't know it yet but he's going to be the next name we know? >> several ways, actually that none of them are foolproof. a lot of it is dependent upon people, you see something, say something. >> red flag. >> not that police that smart but we get a lot of good information, tips from the public. so whether it's from traditional crime or this specific type of crime, very dependent upon people passing information on and often times, that allowed the police to open the investigation in open source analysis of social media and in the world of social media, it has opened up for law enforcement many avenues of investigation. there are many things we can in today's world do with the idea we always want to prioritize the prevention aspect and don't focus all resources on the response. >> something else i said earlier, god for bid 1,000 times if what we were covering tonight had been a kid pulling a rip card on a suicide vest, same number of injured and killed in walmart, do you believe it could be covered entirely different as an entirely different event and should it? >> interesting that type of assault we tend to associate much more with the islamic terrorists rather than white nationalist, what we've been seeing with mass shootings. that's an interesting question from a police perspective suicide vest you thought would be international terrorism rather than domestic. >> joyce what about domestic law enforcement and how they approach these? >> from a law enforcement perspective, this isn't a difference. there is a difference in what you look at and the tool kit and resources but when you have people who have been killed in an incident like this from a law enforcement perspective, you're interested in making sure you know who did it, proving a case against them so you can bring them to justice but like bill says it's about prevention. so much work is building community relationships both with law enforcement and prosecutors and i learned as a u.s. attorney, if you had good community relationships, people would come to you when afraid of violence. not everyone who believes in a certain ideology is willing to see it perpetrated through violence and people get nervous and frightened by that and will come to law enforcement if they know they can trust you. >> i shared the report issue by homeland security several years back relative to international terrorism inspired or directed and if i recall correctly, 78% of the detected terrorists incidents prevented came about as a result of information from the public, not actual investigations by the federal or local police but usually in response to that tip if you will, that phrase see something, say something. it really means something. >> that would mean something especially when compared to the people coming forward being interviewed these days and saying, you know, he seemed off. he seemed angry, which is 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