trump has forced out the secretary of homeland security and the director of the u.s. secret service, a man who happens to be a 35-year vet on of the marine corp and retired two star general. and there are reports tonight there may be more to come. quote, it appeared to be a housecleaning of officials associated with john kelly, the president's former chief of staff and his first homeland security secretary who was pushed out the end of last year after months of tension with mr. trump. keirsten nielsen who was kelly's chief of staff when he ran dhs took over kelly's old job of dhs secretary back in 2017. she will be forever associated with the separation of migrant children from their parents at our border. trump ended the separation policy officially in june with an executive order. tonight nbc news is reporting according to three different officials trump has been pressing to reinstate the separation policy, which led to the latest clash with nielsen in this telling who has resisted. last night donald trump announced nielsen's departure on twitter. this morning she says she still supports the president. >> i assure the president's goal of securing the border. i will continue to address all efforts the humanitarian crisis at the border. >> reportedly held her responsible for not reducing the number of undocumented migrants. she'll be replaced by on an acting basis by the current customs and border protection commissioner. he comes to the job just days after the president signaled he wanted to, quote, go in a tougher direction on immigration if that's possible. this weekend trump summed up his policy with these words. >> this is our new statement. the system is full. can't take you anymore. whether it's asylum, whether it's anything you wanted, illegal immigration. can't take you anymore. our country is full. what can you do? our country is full. can't come in. i'm sorryverb very simple. >> the reasons for the removal of the director of the u.s. secret service, an daurandolph allese are less clear. however, again "the new york times" reporting tonight according to two officials, quote, the president had soured on mr. alles a while ago even making fun of his looks, calling him dum bow because of his ears. his depar comes after security procedures around the president come under scrutiny after a chinese national was arrested at mar-a-lago with multiple electronics devices. the staffing purge also coincides with the rise of trump senior aid stephen miller, who according to many has been the one pressing for tougher administration policies and has been pressing for a more aggressive crack down at the border. politico reports it this way. quote, miller has been telephoning mid-level officials at several federal departments and agencies to demand they do more to stem the influx of immigrants. all of this has highlighted trump's reliance on acting top officials in his administration. some of whom hold positions that usually require senate confirmation. earlier this year the president explained why he was in no hurry to make permanent appointments. >> i sort of like acting, gives me more flexibility. do you understand that? i like acting. >> with that, let's bring in our lead off panel on a monday night. phil rucker here in new york, pulitzer prizewinning white house bureau chief for "the washington post." nancy cook, and franky gordono covering immigration and foreign affairs. good evening and welcome to you all. phil, we're very happy to have you on home turf for this brief shining moment. what happened today, and i know we're talking about, yes, we're talking about what happened today. we likely will not be by tomorrow night. >> there likely will be a further move in this purge by tomorrow. the president is completely cleaning house in the department of homeland security, and this is not just an agency that oversees imgraegz policy. this agency created after the terror attacks of 9/11 is designed to keep our country safe, prevent cyber attacks and people don't know where there'll be fire next, who they'll be reporting to. and the president is acting out and making these changes because he's so frustrated with what's happening at the border, the influx of migrants at the border, the crossings. he's looking for somebody to blame and tonight that's keirsten nielsen, that's the secret service. and tomorrow it could be new people. >> i'd like to read you too different quotes. one from just within the last 24 hours and the other from "the washington post" almost a year ago. this is about the president's treatment of his now former dhs secretary. the president called ms. nielsen at home early in the morning to demand she take action to stop migrants from entering the country to do things that were clearly illegal, such as blocking all migrants from seeking asylum. trump has fumed at nielsen telling her to close the border and growing impatient at her explanations why that's not possible. he has also blamed her at times for not securing enough money to finish the border wall even though she was not party to the spending deal struck by senior white house aides. franco, let's point out the obvious. number one this is exculpatory towards nielsen. having said that who is this president going to find who was willing to do that kind of thing if she wasn't? >> it's really going to be hard to find that person. i mean all omy sources on the left and right are saying, look, you cannot just put a new face in dhs and expect the world to change. the reality is congress hasn't acted and are unlikely to act without serious concessions, without legalization or some type of asylum rule changes. and the fact is the law is the law. what we found, what trump realized is after his kind of honeymoon period after the first year when human smugglers were trying to figure out kind of how the things work under the trump administration. they soon learned the asylum rules are still the asylum rules. you cannot hold children for more than a month and they started coming back. and you saw the illegal crossings creep up at about the same time that nielsen came in. and frankly it was bad timing for her and it's going to be bad timing for the next person. >> nancy, other than being a political cartoonist dream, let's talk about mr. miller. and let me ask you just how vast is his port folia right now? >> well, his portfolio is quite large. he really is the architect of the administration's immigration policy. and in an administration where there's often a lot of back biting he is someone who's manage today have huge staying power, he's operated under the radar, he has stayed in the good graces of ivanka trump and jared kushner. and, you know, no matter what happens, he never really becomes the face of the crisis. keirsten nielsen, for instance, took all of the blame for separating children and parents when that policy was under way even though that was something stephen miller really advocated for. and he's someone that continues to play under the radar and had a huge role in this huge leadership shakeup at dhs. he is someone who's urging the president to do what he considers fulfilling the campaign promises that trump made in 2016, and he views part of that as his housecleaning at dhs. >> franco, let me go back to you because i note you spoke with an obama era enforcement lawyer, let's say, in this area. give us a reality check. by how much has policy changed compared to the original initiatives in the obama administration? >> yeah, i mean absolutely. i talked to obama's enforcement lawyer earlier today who was just telling me, look, trump wants different changes. you pointed out in the intro nielsen was pushing back on efforts to do illegal things. the reality is those things have been tried. obama tried to do the vast majority of things that trump is trying to do, short of family separation policy. president obama detained families for over a year. you know, there were children in detention centers for a year until the courts stopped it and said, no, no, no you can only do 20 days. obama also tried to prevent immigrants from being released on bond. the courts again said, no. obama tried to keep children, immigrant children in hhs shelters for a longer time until they could be processed. that also was enjoined. these are things on the law, unless congress is going to act and there's no sign they will, we're going to continue to see this problem over and over and over again. >> franco, i know you don't deal in the world of opinion. but what's your guess as to why there weren't raised protests? was it just a liberal complicit news media? what was it? >> that is very difficult question to ask. there were certainly immigration lawyers that i spoke to, a lot who were very vocal and very outspoken. but you're right, there was a challenge because obviously latino advocacy groups were very much aligned with the obama administration, and there were challenges that they faced politically that they did not want to confront obama. obama also provided some relief for, you know, the latino advocacies when he passed or when he pushed the dream act -- president obama anot the dream act but daca, the release of undocumented kids to come into the country and remain legally. so there was kind of like we'll take what we can get, but we'll be a little bit quiet on some of these other issues. >> phil, to go back to a point you made about homeland security, i want to play for you a little bit from both chairs, house and senate, homeland security committees. this speaks to the real business at hand. >> it's impossible to work in my estimation for president on immigration. he has a mind-set that is absolutely unimaginable as it relates to immigration. >> i'm concerned of a growing void of leadership within the department of homeland security, and this is department that is charged with really trying to grapple with some of the most significant challenges facing this nation. >> and phil, you open the door to this. this is behemoth. this was created, built piece by piece during the 43 presidency as a result of nie9/11. when you have a cabinet department you have corresponding committees in congress. we saw that there. pretty soon you're talking about a serious charge to keep the american people safe. when does this -- when do we get shocked out of our existence this may be just a cable news story we talk about? this is among one of the more serious branches of our government. >> it is, brian. and frank thathankfully there's a crisis to face this president. and that could happen at any point now, and the department is simply not equipped with so much leadership change and turn over. and dhs has been a place for stability and competence in government for the last two administrations. you think about tom ridge, the first dhs secretary, jay johnson and the obama administration, and these were public servants who kept their heads down and did the work and managed that big bureaucracy and were competent. and now you see president trump trying to politicize this department to make it tool for his re-election campaign effectively by pursuing this immigration agenda and cleary it is alarming member ins congress. senator grassly, fram, was speaking out to my colleague tonight warning president trump against firing other officials at the department of homeland security. >> and nancy cooke, let's turn to the u.s. secret service. here's a gentleman, 35 years in his beloved marine corp. retires with two stars on his shoulders, a veteran of the iraq war. and what do you get for that? reports tonight that the president made fun of his ears. walk us through this process. >> well, it's kind of extraordinary that the head of the secret service, their whole mission really is to keep the president and his family safe, and this president has a very large family. so there are secret service agents, you know, with each one of his children, his wife. you know, it's just a huge burden on the secret service. these people are working around the clock, weekends, nights to protect the whole extended family, and, you know, the president was making fun of the way that the head of the secret service looked, the way his ears were on his face, behind his back. and that was mostly because this man was appointed by general john kelly. the president has ill feelings towards kelly still and, you know, was just swept up in it. and this was really part of this dhs purge is about the president's frustration with the migrant crossings at the border and the fact he hasn't been able to stem those and hasn't ben able to do things he wants to do even if they're considered illegal. but part of it is just a personal vendetta. he does not like kelly, and what happened today was a sweep of administration kelly allies and the secret service was among them. >> our thanks to philip rucker, nancy cooke, franco ordonez. and coming up for us, we are just hours away from the attorney general appearing before congress. the man we haven't heard speak since the mueller report. the man who now controls the release and the contents of the mueller report. and later, millions of americans don't yet know his name, millions more have given up trying to pronuns it, but something he said yesterday may cement his position on the political map. 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this is mueller's work product, after all. and there's been some reporting that his intentions have already been shifted a little bit. >> yeah, you know, brian, there are more questions than answers when it comes to this redaction process. we have heard reporting that mueller already did some summaries presumably redacting out things that would not be appropriate for release. we'll need to know ultimately why is it that barr can't rely on those summaries. and then the redaction process itself that's being undertaken by barr, and if you can credit barr's assertion by rosenstein and perhaps by mueller as well. you know, there are a number of rather murky areas for these redactions. grand jury secrecy is a bedrock principle with respect to what we can and can't turn over, but then there are these other vague categories that the attorney general has setout, like the peripheral person privacy privilege. i don't know, but for alliteration i don't think that privilege has much going for it. it seems to be one that barr has come up with himself. i understand the principle that if prosecutors at the end of an investigation decide not to charge someone, you don't want to sort of air their dirty laundry, but i don't think what we're dealing with here is a typical investigation or typical prosecutorial decision. so i think more information rather than less really does need to go to congress so congress can fulfill its important oversight responsibilities and it can at least begin to think about the important topic of whether impeachment proceedings are perhaps in the offing. >> glen, perhaps if i had a magic wand and made you a mebl of the subcommittee tomorrow or made you a member of the house judiciary and you had one shot, one question to ask this attorney general, what would it be? >> it would be -- well, first of all it would be i'd like to see the unredacted report, please. but it would also probably be how in the world when bob mueller the lead investigator who sent 22 months delving into the facts when that person concluded he can't conclude the president on a factual basis -- on what factual basis were you able to summarily say i'll go ahead and clear the president of obstruction? >> clint, as the author of a book on obstruction with russia. >> i'm curious about in that report, what we saw in those two indictments was remarkable. if you rewind a year and look at the february and july indictments they were very detailed. there were communication intercepts in there. it was very specific. it really put down a lot of the alternative conspiracies. so i would be really fascinated in terms of the intelligence they actually garnered. this would obviously be behind closed doors, but in that intelligence did they speak to people or bring people in and get cooperating witnesses that told them how these operations work, because that's really what this report was all about in the beginning, how are we going to prevent this from happening in 2020 so it'd be great to know if they really got those insights from the inside. >> down in florida a very nice woman walks into mar-a-lago, turns out to be a chinese national, she's just looking for the pool. they look in her purse and found $8,000 in chinese and american currency. i know you brought a list of what else they found in her purse. what do you think she was intending to do? >> apparently she had a lot of data. >> she had an i.t. department in her purse. >> a laptop with an external hard drive, usb with malware. i'd love to know what kind of malware was on that. nine other uusbs, a signal detector to reveal hidden cameras. so not your every day customer probably of mar-a-lago. >> do you think she was a chinese pros proof intel? i heard tonight she would have had a cover story. it would have been a little bit more discreet. >> it is a little weird because for all this technical gadgetry she was carrying around her cover story was detected. did we miss this in previous attempts and maybe she was the least skilled person involved in this, or was this a sort of money for hire kind of thing, or was it attached to the chinese government? that's really not been discussed at all. there's been no discussions other than she does not have any american contacts and does not have any real known associates. a lot of open questions in there, and makes you wonder what did she think she was going to get out of mar-a-lago and why did she have to bring all this equipment in there. >> just looking for the pool. of course she didn't have her bathing suit with her was the first clue. to clint watts and glen, thank you both. and coming up the state of play and new efforts just today to get to see the president's tax returns. we'll have the latest on that when we come back. that when we come back. derstand... ♪ help! i need somebody ♪ help! not just anybody ♪ help! you know i need someone we need a solution.ut their phones down. introducing... smartdogs. the first dogs trained to train humans. stopping drivers from: liking. selfie-ing. and whatever this is. available to the public... never. smartdogs are not the answer. but geico has a simple tip. turn on "do not disturb while driving" mode. brought to you by geico. when didwhen i needed ton? 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>> oh, no, never. nor should they. keep in mind that's an issue that was already litigated during the election. voters knew the president could have given his tax returns, they knew he didn't and they elected him anyway. >> joining us tonight tim o'brien and a.b. stottard. i'm going to ask you both the same questions, so that's the part of this that's a take home test. do you think we'll ever see the president's tax returns? >> i think it's likely that we will, but i do think that the president is assured that he can run out the clock by stalling and then a legal battle would ensue that's likely to go past the next election. so even his effort at the state level in new york is designed to be a back stop. if the federal effort fails i just don't see we're going to see them between now and the election. >> and a follow-up. most people suspect what he doesn't like is they show his net worth beginning with an "m" and not a "b." he was president absent the returns, and what changes in his relationship between donald trump and his base? >> if they're released or not released? >> if they're released and his net value doesn't turn out to be what we were told? >> i think there's more concern beyond the numbers and inflated estimates of his own wealth. i think the concerns is the business dealings he was doing with rush actually in the early 2000s which makes the requests by chairman neal interesting because they only go back to 2013. but in the early 2000s his sons bragged on the record they were doing all of their business, most of their business with russia. no properties there but gettin' loans when u.s. banks wouldn't loan to them. the tailoring of the requests are interesting, and they're trying to get at conflicts of interest which i think is concern of president trump's beyond whether he bragged he was a billionaire or millionaire. >> tim, same question. will we ever see them? >> i think they're going to fight tooth and nail to keep those things out of the public purview. obviously what's happening in new york is the new york state legislator and andrew cuomo realized it may not happen at the federal level. we have andrew cuomo and rudy giuliani and jerry nadler and the chairman of the national enquirer -- i think the new york state legislator is going to have a hard time getting some of this past the irs because the new york state returns are based on the federal returns. i think there's going to be a lot of legal back and forth around this. i think am mick mulvaney said this was litigated during the election -- during the election the president originally said he'd be happy to release his tax returns. then when the consequences of releasing them and the kind of information that would come out if he did so dawned on him he said i'm under audit and i can't release them. and the audit's not an excuse for not being able to release them. richard nixon released his while he was under audit. i think it's going to get to what a.b. pointed to, which is what it says about his sources of financing. and neal's only asked for six years of returns. that's only going to get us back to say 2012 or 2013. and i think the very interesting period that everyone is focused on with him are the midnot, when he sort of blows through his final inherence from fred trump yet comes up with enough cash to finance the construction of a golf course in scotland, buy another one and do a lot of other dealsthality ultimately involve the spending of hundreds of millions of dollars. and the source of that money is a mystery. >> a.b., tim correctly mentions the audit. we have the same thought. we'll play this and talk on the other side. >> i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes, but as soon as my routine audit is finished, i'll release my returns. i'll be very proud to. until such time the audit is finished by the irs, i won't won't be going and releasing because that wouldn't be a good thing to do. i'll release them when the audit is completed. >> interesting his acting chief of staff didn't mention the routine audit. >> yes, i thought that was interesting that mick mulvaney threw the presidential line about the audit under the bus and said basically, you know, this was no problem for the voters in the election. the polling has always showed a stronger majority than trump's approval rating, and so people within his own base would like to see his tax returns. once he became president, he became officially under audit as all presidents are. and there is no rule, of course, keeping him from releasing them. and i think that not only the fact that he and his lieutenants can't stay on the same page, it's going to make it very hard on republicans even if we never see these returns until after the 2020 election because of the court battle to defend. it's just going to be increasingly difficult for them to say he's not hiding anything and this is completely fine for him to hide his returns and spend taxpayer money to fight this in court. >> both of our gusts have agreed to stay with us. and coming up when we come back, the latest big name departure, just the latest upheaval for a white house where chaos, at least a little bit of it every day seems to be the norm. more on that when we come back. e norm more on that when we come back to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? 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>> it is not top of mind. i think the president has made it perfectly clear over and over again he does not follow these rules and protocols everyone has taken so seriously for so long that having policy experts in all the right positions for staple and effective government. he's actually on the record as we know saying he loves using acting positions because he could just get a new one when he feels like it, and he doesn't want to bother with a senate confirmation process. and so i think we can expect to see more of this. i don't know that it will be at the rate we've seen the last few days. but it's not a big concern to cycle through people at this unprecedented rate. >> tim, i want to show you a bit of an interview nationally televised this weekend. and have you comment on this prominent member of the republican party afterwards. oh, i'm told we don't have it. anyway, it was -- you should have been there. it was mitt romney talking about the pursuit of the president's tax returns. and you had a lot of people react that they were surprised i'm told by the control room, and just in the knick of time we have it. >> i think the republicans are playing his handbook. and going through his tax returns is moronic. that's not going to happen. >> what do you think is going on there? >> one, i think mitt romney has flip-flopped so many times trothroughout his relationship with donald trump and now he's playing the loyal party member in this. the congress doesn't need legislative action. the congress is entitled to oversee the opratioerations of executive branch. if they decide it helps decide whether or not you have a financially conflicted president in the oval office, i think that's part of their powers in the u.s. constitution. they don't need to pass legislation to do that. i think he's being an honest analyst of the dynamics at work. and mitt romney we may remember during the 2016 campaign was one of the most pronounced opponents of trump. and he routinely pointed with trump's business relationships, how trump financed his businesses. the only way to get to that in a meaningful way is through his tax returns. and that's why every president since 1973 has released them. >> here we are tonight talking about tumult in the administration. turnover, we're not talking about the russia investigation. something tells me we will by tomorrow night. but is any of this by design to use the quaint old quote? >> nothing is by design in trump land. the trump organization was a chaotic organization that essentially resolved around the cultive personality selling donald trump as a shingle. that's morphed. don mcgahn said i think he the white house is run like a hub and spoke operation with trump at the hub. donald trump is a solo pilot who decides what he wants to do on a whimsy. and i think what happened to the homeland security department today is the result of the fact they've got an embarrassing failure on the southern border. and rather than take responsibility for that mistake himself trump is going through and beheading people at dhs. >> closing thoughts in 30 seconds or less. has mitt romney decided not to take a role of leadership in the senate republicans? >> no, he'd like to do a two step which is why he said he'd like to see the tax returns. he wants to be a trump critic one day. >> thank you as always. and coming up, we haven't heard a speech from a politician quite like this one. we'll have it for you when we come back. it for you when we come back. with advil, you'll ask... what sore muscles? 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