With the north korean laddeader we get under way on a friday night. Good evening once again. Day 764 of the Trump Administration, and at the end of another consequential week what is likely the last major move in Robert Muellers long roning prosecution of Paul Manafort nap is not the last of it, where manafort leaded got two counts of conspiracy. Specifically the judge found manafort lied about sharing campaign poling data with him and discussing a peace plan for ukraine that would benefit russia. The feds said the relationship goes to the heart of what the special Councils Office is investigating. This upcoming sentencing memo could tell us more about exactly what that means. However there may be new criminal charges ahead for manafort. This is interesting, the kind of charges his fred the presideien president , cant save him from. First reported by bloomberg and the New York Times that the Manhattan District Attorneys Office is preparing a case against Paul Manafort against alleged tax fraud. The evidence appears to have been connected to loans issued by citizens bank. They have received grand jury subpoenas for the loans they issued to manafort that were worth millions of dollars. One of the reporters that broke the story for nbc news, jonathan deeds explained tonight why local new york prosecutors delayed their case. Our best understanding is he started looking into this and he deferred to the special council and that investigate into manafort and then once that seemed to be wrapping up they restarted near work. The d. A. Showing deference to bob mueller and taking a look at what state crimes may have been violated. The New York Times reporting that Michael Cohen is giving new information about Donald Trumps business operations. They say he met last month offering information about irregularities. Akwardiccording to the times he about insurance claims the Company Files over the years. They also questioned him about a donor to the committee, cohen has been getting ready for three Straight Days of congressional testimony, more on that ahead as all of this unfolds, new information about the timing of when there might be a Mueller Report. Many news outlets if you have been following this you know that the attorney could be sent to william barr as early as next week, but today a Senior Justice Department official said it will not be sent to the ag next week. Late today sixth t top democrat urged him to release whatever is given to him. Earlier on this Network Former u. S. Solicitor general who wrote the special Council Rules in place today explain thered is already one way for the public to learn about muellers conclusions. There has to be a report from barr, the attorney general, to the congress, that can be briefer, but notably it does have to include any instance in which the attorney general or his predecessors like whittaker, if they overruled mueller on anything. In that report there is a provision in the special Council Regulations to make that report public. This afternoon at the white house our colleague Halle Jackson asked the president if he has talked with his new attorney general about the release of that report . Have you spoken to him about that . I have not. Do you expect to . At some point i will be talking about it. If it is an honest report it will say that, if it is not, it wont. Carol lenning, reporter from the washington post. And Glenn Kershner is with us as well. Former federal prosecutors. Good evening and welcome to you both, glenn Home Field Advantage has its advantages. Lets tart with a question and engage in wild unleashed speculation that the mueller team submitted this document to the federal judge. Not to make it about us, but why havent we seen or heard about it zl it . What could be going on about it . Doesnt the judge have her priorities straight . Ordinarily what happens now is when we file sentencing memos the prosecution and the defense will largely agree on what should be redacted and they will submit it to the court and that is a matter of the court putting it on the docket. We have seen some other redaction s snrnafus. They may be using a belt and suspender approach. Theyre going through it just so make sure maybe there is nothing that will end up in the Public Record that shouldnt and it may be that we wont see the memo until perhaps monday. We have talked about manafort endlessly on this broadcast with the shadow and what some of the former feds say is like a hidden enmy president the notion, the possibility of a president ial pardon. How do you think you can see donald trump when she is asked about manafort trying to calculate his response. How will Donald Trumps thoughts and words perhaps be educated by this going forward. I dont know, but i feel like we might learn a little bit. He spoke of that more man, and he said that about Michael Cohen for awhile, and then he said he was a rat. In the case of manafort i think what is so interesting is we have not seen the big reveal about what the entirety is of what he might have. That is what we refer to as breaking some china and maybe he will see reactions and fire works from the president then. Im not convinced this sentencing memo tonight, reda redacted or unredacted, im not convinced it will be a big reveal either. Absolutely, we have also, we should share with our audience, added frank figlozie to this conversation. Frank were not above mellow drama, but it is never with it that we say manafort may be looking at a death sentence in effect. He could spend the rest of his days on earth in a federal prison. The recommendation in the virginia case was 19 to 24 years. What kind of something he looking at, what will they argue for . I think they will go for the upper range, and it could potentially reach into double digits. I have to look at the sentencing guidelines, here is what distinguishes him from other bad guys. Its one thing to decide not to cooperate, it is another thing entirely to pretend to cooperate but actually serve as a double or triple agent back to the white house, maybe back to the russians, and pretend youre working with the prosecutors. And that is not going to sit well with a sentencing judge and i think while were debating whether or not well get a big reveal in his sentencing, but mueller will hit it hard. He thinks he is above it all, and he is playing it like he played his entire life. Do what is in his best interest and thumb his nose at the system and i think he will have a really bad day. Are you a subscribe near it has beeniveen to us in all of the documentation and memorandum that we spend night after night chewing over here . I do see what looks like a d deliberate strategy to talk to us through the filings. So those waiting for a grand report to come out from the special Councils Office with new revelations are likely to be disappointed because he has been telling us the story piece by piece chapter by chapter. The big question mark, flipping to the last page of the report for what the findings are on trump. If any those will be ready. You know the russians meddled with us. You know we have convictions around the president. So the big question will be what is new that report, but dont be surprised if Mueller Farms out a number of remaining cases to allow the system to take over and to allow trumps own u. S. Attorneys to actually finish the job. Glenn, i will perform the impossible and switch you from prosecuting criminals to thinking like a defense attorney for a second, could you blame people watching tonight for thinking an unsavory character, Paul Manafort, can we raid the charges in new york and get him on the same area of law . If we do a quick fifth amendment double jeopardy break down, it keeps you from being tried twice. If youre found not guilty or acquitted the first time you cant be tried again by the same court. However because the federal government and the State Government are two different solve earns, typically win, lose, or draw it does not procollude a state court prosecution. New york has some very pro defendant double jeopardy laws that say if the feds try you we will not try you for the same. Cyrus vance junior has his his legal ducks in order, he will make sure theyre not barred, but i can see why some people might feel like it is unfair to try a man twice in two different courts for the same conduct, but lets remember this there was a number of charges that the first jury in virginia hug on. Those are still open charges. Manafort took responsibility but he did not please guilty on those charges that were hung. Those are open and they would not be barred by the new york double jeopardy charges. You went back to being a ros cue tor for just a minute. Carol, lets go to the reporting our news organizations are doing, if i asked you to make a case that we should not expect a Mueller Report right away, that we have been terribly wrong and i have heard a lot of doubt on this reporting, could you say you make that case . It is all tea leaf reading in a way. There are little clues and big clues. Right now there is a ton of little clues. Guys leaving the offense, leaving muellers team. Different sources in different parts of the Law Enforcement community saying they see signs the report is coming soon. We reported in december and january that it would be around, you know, mississippi to late february. Were past that point. I think everyone can guess why that would happen. What does mueller find about why all of these people lied . What does he find about what Donald Trump New and when . That is to me the big reveal. It may be that he fends a serious of interesting connections and an nexus that doesnt touch the president , why did they lie, why are they all tight with him and lying about things that relate to the campaign and what did he know . In my line of work when you get a great closing quote it is time to stop the segment so we will with our thanks to carol, frank, and glenn, thank you all very much for spending part of your friday night with us. Coming up well talk more about what mr. Michael cohen can say. What he is willing to say about his years with the trump inner circle and the man himself. Why there is worry about the president sitting down with a dictator next week, what could go wrong . The worry is coming from the president s side as were just Getting Started on a friday night. S were just Getting Started on a friday night. Looking good at booking. Com, we cant guarantee youll good at that water jet thingy. But we can guarantee the best price on this hotel. Or any accommodation, from homes to yurts. Booking. Com booking. Yeah you wont find relief here. Congestion and pressure . Go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritind. While the leading allergy spray only relieves 6 symptoms, claritind relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. Claritind relieves more. Check in from afar with remote access, and have professional monitoring backing you up with xfinity home. Demo in an xfinity store. Call, or go online today. I think they will stick, yeah, everyone knows we need Border Security and a wall. It is a bad subject for the democrats. Will you veto that resolution that would block your National Emergency . Will i veto it . 100 . We have too many smart people that want a wall. The president will be in vietnam to meet with the leader of north korea when the house back home votes on that resolution to potentially block his National Emergency that will continue theoretically with him overseas. Democrats say they have enough to pass it. Were watching four familiar republic particular republicans that have voiced concerns about using ta kind of power to build a wall. The political maneuvering will be happening as the president s former longtime personal attorney talks to congress. The president had this to say about cohens upcoming testimony today . Lawyerclient, but he is taking his own chances. Interesting were here to talk about it is Phillip Elliott and tal copen. I would like to begin with you, yes a lot can happen in these next few days and yes there are some limbs, some selfimposed on what the members of the committee will ask Michael Cohen, but is there any chance this will be somehow less than the mevent that were expecting . There is always a chance, but lets remember this is not, you know, someone coming before the committee with, you know, things hanging over their head like a potential sentencing or Ongoing Court drama. Michael cohen really laid things out for the court already and probably will be coming to testify to answer any questions that remain about what he said in court. Which already has implicated the president. So the potential for fireworks with this testimony, i would say, is quite high. Lets get down to brass tax. We have a Television President in a television age. I think the time difference in vietnam, i think it is 12 hours, say after Something Like a state dinner, 10 00 p. M. Local time, the president is preparing to retire for the evening, 10 00 a. M. In washington, look what is on tv, your former personal lawyer and the keeper of the sk secrets, how will that work . Im anticipating a few all nighters for the president. There is no way he will miss the opportunity to watch this play out on live tv. The house panel in particular is stacked with law mamakers particularly of interest to the president. Aoc is on here, congressman talib, deb by wasserman schwartz. And the last time Michael Cohen came to the hill he lied to congress and he admitted it. Theyre not coming with kid gloves on him, either. A preview of the known world what is he then coming home to with half a world jetlag on his shoulders when he arrives back in washington and back at the white house . It is a very good chance that he arrives with some part of the Mueller Report. Michael cohen will just have spent days savaging the president , and the wall fight may not have gone well in his absence. He may end up having to do a first veto. And who knows what happens. Republicans are not happy with what they seen as a unilateral executive power grab. Will they stand up to him as a block so it is not like a john mccain situation, but will they do it en masse and say the power of the purpose strings has been at that end of pennsylvania avenue not with the white house. One of the consequences we face is the machinery of government that goes on every day and i will quote you to you. A piece you filed last night that just knocked me over when i read it. After nearly two years of delays the Trump Administration is moving ahead with its plan to stop granting work permits to the spouses of many highskilled visa workers. It could jeopardize tens of thousands of families in our community alone. Rolling back permits could have sweeping consequences for the bay area where Tech Companies heavily rely on high skilled imgranti immigrants. It could imperil the familys ability to stay in the country or get jobs here to begin with. Is what youre saying if youre a ph. D, engineer, working for microsoft, a two income family, your spouse works, this takes away the aublt for your spoubile to make a living . Yeah, theyre caught in a weird lope hole, theyre legal immigrants approved for green cards but are yet to receive them because for countries, mainly india but also china, the backlog to get those greencards can reach decades. Theyre all but on the path to become citizens. The Obama Administration sought to fix that by allowing these work permits, and the Trump Administration is now going to try to claw that back and not allow those permits. So the spouses will then have to wait and decide whether or not they can actually twhat out wai or take their abilities elsewhere. 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