A trial balloon was seen floating near pittsburgh as the 11th hour gets underway on a thursday night. Good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york and just after 11 00 p. M. East weern time, the government will shut down in less than 24 hours unless there is action to stop it on capitol hill. The house did its part passing a measure to keep the governments lights on for another couple weeks. The senate tonight stands in adjournme adjournment. Later in the broadcast, well look at the chances of them going along with the house. There wont be anything on it tonight. With this deadline looming on this day, 364 of the trump administration, russia remains the biggest thing looming over this Trump White House. And tonight, we have more testimony to tell you about from Glenn Simpson. You recall hes the cofounder of that firm called fusion gps, they are a research and Intelligence Firm put together the now infamous dossier on President Trump and russia. Weve seen already some testimony to the Senate Judiciary released by diane feinstein, quickly earning her the nickname steak neaky diane the president. This is from the house dated november 14 of last year. 165 pages in all and had reporters busy all afternoon and evening. Details straight from both mob movies and spy novels dealing with possible collusion, actual russian gangsters, secret cash, Money Laundering. To the first thing on that list, there is this question to Glenn Simpson from republican congressman tom and we quote, do you feel like we got to the point where we could conclusively say as fact that the russian government and Trump Campaign were colluding with each other to beat Hillary Clinton . Can we make that final step here . Simpson answers in part, there is a wellestablished pattern of contacts that occurred last year that supports the broad allegation of some sort of undisclosed political or financial relationship between the Trump Organization and people in russia. Im certainly not prepared to say, and never wanted to be the person who had to determine whether thats a criminal conspiracy. That gets your attention. On to Money Laundering, the top democrat on the Committee Adam Schiff of california asks this question. Did you find evidence of that with respect to mr. Trump . Simpson answers, i think a lot of what we found is subsequently there have been similar articles published. Evidence i think is a strong word. I think we saw patterns of buying and selling that we thought were suggestive of Money Laundering. When pressed by schiff that might indicate Money Laundering mr. Simpson says various criminals were buying the properties so there was a gangster, a russian gangster living in trump tower. Here is how congressman schiff responded to questions on this network. This is is a concern ive had all along that this oneis a con all along that this oneis a con all along that this ones a conc all along that this one area of the invest gages can be the most compromising. When we began this investigation, there were allegations of secret meetings with Trump Campaign people we now know took place. There were allegations of what general flynn was doing which we now know prove to be true and persistent allegations of Money Laundering, which we have really not been allowed to investigate and i think it would be irresponsible not to look into this and find out its not true, it was highly suggestive or no, there is allegations and the president could be potentially compromised. In a few minutes, well talk to another member of the House Intel Committee on this broadcast and there is another update tonight also on the work being done by house intel. The highlyanticipated testimony that was scheduled for tomorrow from longtime trump aid hope hicks has been postponed. Reportedly because of those same issues involving executive privilege that derailed Steve Bannons testimony to house intel on tuesday of this week. Lets turn to our lead off panel, shall we, for a thursday night were so fortunate to have jonathan swan, National Political reporter and jeremy peters, political reporter for the New York Times and msnbc contributor and Watergate Special counsel, also an msnbc legal analyst. Terrific group. Thank youall for being with us and jonathan, ill start with you. How is this fusion gps testimony, which look, this often happens in our business. This is a rolling, breaking story this afternoon as people read this as weve seen portrayed in the movie about the pentagon papers. How is it going to be received by the Trump White House . To put it in context, Glenn Simpson is probably the reporter, i mean, he was a former newspaper reporter quite a wellrespected one of good Investigative Reporter who spent more time that be any other reporter looking into Donald Trumps personal businesses, financial documents, basically doing Opposition Research because his firm was first paid for, paid by a republican aligned Media Company and then the Democratic Party and clinton. So you have a guy who didnt have subpoena powers who did his own research, who used a friend of his, the british spy we know about this, Christopher Steele who did use sources in russia. So its useful as a starting point and none of the allegations or suggestions that he makes in this have been verified, but if you take it as a starting point, it can then be taken by im actually less interested in the House Committee and Senate Committee because they will be much less effective than muellers team with serious Financial Investigators on the team with full subpoena powers and all the powers of that office, so i mean, i would be stunned based on the team that mueller has around him if they were looking at just these kinds of things that were seeing that we saw in the testimony released today. Yeah, to your point, i would further tell our audience, mr. Simpson is hardly the first and wont be the last reporter to go into the business of research and intelligence because of the common skill set required for both and the common sets of context. Jill wihat stands out to you legally here. More the facts that really stand out to me. It is a dramatic piece of testimony that does show Money Laundering possibilities. It shows that what ive been saying from the beginning follow the money. There is certainly something suspicious about the money that came from russia and all the russians who were buying apartments in trump tower. One was running a gambling operation out of trump tower. These are things that need, as youve suggested, need to be corroborated and mueller is the person to do it because he does have the ability to use the grand jury and subpoenas that to get witnesses in and to see whether these are really accurate. Legally, this could be the start of not just an obstruction case but of a collusion case, even though there is no such crime as collusion but conspiracy to work with the russians to affeeffects election. Its dramatic. I only had the testimony for a short while but i cant wait to finish reading it. Jeremy, along comes this story just because we needed a fresh angle on a thursday, i think. Simpson also answers a question from jackie spear who is going to be our guest later in this broadcast about russia and the national rival association. Mr. Simpson says it appears the russians, you know, infiltrated the n. R. A. And there is more than one explanation for why but i would say broadly speaking, it appears that the russian operation was designed to infiltrate conservative organizations. Further on top of that out of mcclatchy, we have this headline, fbi investigating whether russian money went to n. R. A. To help trump. Jeremy, when you say n. R. A. And washington, you get the attention of a lot of elected representatives. Wont this be interesting . It absolutely will be. It would be a very shrewd way to launder money to Donald Trumps campaign to do it through the n. R. A. It would be illegal but if indeed these reports are true, they are incredibly alarming and i think overall when you look at this testimony, whats most significant about it is what it tells us about what Robert Mueller is likely looking at because if the House Committee has this information, if the Senate Committee has this information, if glen simpson has this information, you can be guaranteed that Robert Mueller has this information. All along, the questions that have probably been the most likely damaging to donald trump are questions of Money Laundering. This idea of collusion, of course, collusion is not really a crime. There is nothing in the books that says its illegal to collude with russia but where people have speculated trump was most vulnerable was in his businesses and when you look at the transcript, you see these details just jump off the page like the number of trips that donald trump supposedly took to the former so eer soef yiviet u. The number of soviets that purchased Trump Properties and all point to a lot of red flags for investigators like bob mueller to be looking at. Jonathan, we learned a lot today. I learned our friend Major Garrett hosted a pod cast in a very noisy place and his guest for this edition was trump attorney ty cobb. He likes these pod casts. Its unbep lealievable. Maybe he likes the way he looks in headphones. Is it from your Vantage Point a verticirtual certainty he wile some q and a with Robert Mueller . Its my belief. Do you think there is any danger for the president in that encounter . I would think a fairminded office of special counsel would approach it in a dutiful way with president and wouldnt be a mere perjury trap. For the president , hes eager to sit down and explain whatever is responsive to the questions. Very eager. Very eager. Im sure its a great pod cast. I just dont understand when audio is everything, why you would host one from a by definition noisy place but thats just me. Jonathan, the question to you, that was an Interesting Exchange and what are the odds that was signed off on by his client . I have to think that it was because its a heck of a thing to say. I mean, i was talking to somebody close to trump on the outside, somebody who speaks, spends a lot of time talking to the president and they said to me, there is no way trump will agree to an interview like this with mueller. Mainly because of that reason, that all the opportunities and the pitfalls and risks for this. Now, im not saying trump told them that. That sounded the way they were talking like they were speculating. I would find it shocking for ty cobb to put it out there without having fairly detailed conversations with his clients. We know that they have been gaming this out and preparing for the scenario, talking about whether they could do written q and as or whether it would be an inperson briefing. The risks for an inperson briefing are substantial and that phrase he used perjury trap is pretty telling because as we know, donald trump is not exactly precise in the way that he describes events. He has been caught telling falsehoods on quite a substantial number of occasions. So i think ty cobb means the standard has to be very high. This is not a George Papadopoulos situation. Once you get to the top of the chain, it needs a High Standard for the public to wear. To our only lawyer here and a damn good one, what kinds of perjury traps are we talking about here, jill . A lot. I would agree with what jonathan just said which is this isnt something that mueller is going to go after as a perjury trap. Hes looking for substantive crimes. Hes looking for whether there was Money Laundering, whether there was a conspiracy to interfere with the election. Those are much more important. Hes looking at obstruction of justice. Those are the substantive crimes important to american democracy. It is a high risk whenever trump would be under oath because as has been noted, he has a loose connection to the truth. He frequently says things that are false and that you can prove are false. I dont think that will be muellers goal in doing this. Jeremy, while not quite the dean afttchison of our times, he hicks was present at the creation. What do you read into her delay into the testimony . I dont know there is anything that much more significant to it than the issues that weve already raised here, which is that, you know, there is executive privilege being asserted by the executive, and he is the legal theory here goes that they are cooperating with bob mueller because bob mueller is part of the executive branch and therefore its not a conflict as they see it. They are less eager to cooperate with the house and Senate Investigations because thats a separate branch of government. Im not a constitutional scholar. I dont know how that stands up, but i think its going to be in the committecommittees best ino interview people who are going to talk to them and who are going to give up facts willingly and not hide behind some sort of legal privilege. Boy, could we easily do an hour with this bunch. I know you have lives to pursue but thank you so much for starting us off and being our group one for this evening. Jonathan swan, jeremy peters, jill winebanks. Thanks. Coming up on a thursday night, the house passes this shortterm fix to keep the government open but the senate is a different matter and they are off duty for the night. New cracks in the relationship between the president and shall we say his current chief of staff and what looked like a Campaign Rally, the white house insists was really all about tax policy today in pittsburgh. That and more, were just Getting Started on a thursday night. With the extra third row of seats. They think its theirs. Look at them, they have no idea its not theirs. Its mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. The new lexus rx 350l with three rows for seven passengers. Are you excited about your baby sister coming . Experience space for the unexpected with the rx l, part of the rx family. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Coaching means making tough choices. Jim youre in but when you have high Blood Pressure and need Cold Medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. 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They added six years of funding for chip to this shortterm deal but it does not include protections for dre. R. E. A. M. E. R. This exchange on the senate floor reveals how far apart these two sides remain. So here is what we can do to solve the problem, we can solve it right now. The four leaders can sit down, its been a lot of discussion and come to an agreement and do what the president said at one point. Send it to his desk and hell sign it. We can get that done before the deadline of tomorrow night expires. The presidency under our constitutional system is not irrelevant. He signs things into law and for most of us in the house and senate on the republican side were interested in what his views are and those have not been made fully apparent yet. Second time in 24 hours Mitch Mcconnell has been asking in effect the president what would you like here and the white house role in this, contradictory confusing messages from the president with his profane quotes on immigrants last week, none of it helped. Today the president made it apo apparent where he will lay the blame if the government shuts down. [ indiscernible question ] it could happen. It up to the democrats. I really believe the democrats want to shut down to get off the subject of the tax cuts because they work so well. Nobody thought, including the democrats, it would work this well. They have been so good, the democrats would like to see a shutdown to get off the subject. We have two terrific guests to talk about this tonight. Anita kumar and we welcome to our broadcast phil elliott, political co political co Political Correspondent for time. We shared a view saying you guys are all getting played, this is a Reality Television star who scheduled a 4 00 p. M. Departure from the white house tomorrow. He doesnt want a Government Shutdown. He wants a crisis. He wants to be able to fly off to maralago on the oneyear anniversary of his inauguration where the crowds were the largest ever, having solved this tomorrow night i understand we are of the same mind on that. I suspect were talking to many of the same people, brian. The thinking at the white house right now is that there will not be a Government Shutdown. They will find a dramatic rose ceremony in the rose garden by which this can be worked out and it comes back to the president as a deal maker shelling us on the oneyearsent to power, the people voted for him to strike this amazing deal at the last minute there by taking a victory lap from the south lawn by marine one heading to his very Successful Club where tickets for his oneyear anniversary gala. Its 100,000 per couple is what the price there at his private club are going for. Anita, do democrats in the senate stick together question one and question two, how would you go about pinning this on the dems that dont control the white house and senate . That will be tough. The American People will say republicans control the white house and commerce and congress will be hard. You know, the democrats are sticking together. You had played the clipperli clipper earlier of the speaker saying this is about democrats. They dont have Senate Republicans on board. Its four or five Senate Republicans are not on board. They need all of these people to be on board. They are looking at some things. Republicans on capitol hill say look, this isnt going to play well for democrats if the government shut downs down and it wont play well in states that President Trump won that these democrats have to run in. They do think they have leverage. I think the democrats do stick together. They think this is their real shot to get something for the d. R. E. A. M. E. R. S. How is that trump kelly relationship going right now . Its general kellys time to be in the dog house. The president likes the churn, the drama of staff, discord. He thinks either it captures our imagination and distracts from governing and makes a compelling case that it makes everyone perform at their best game. Im not sure i buy that but im not the president. Its a very difficult relationship right now between general kelly and the president. Both allies to both men are talking to us trying to outline the ticktock of the comments and the fallout from them, perhaps suggesting that the president was not incredibly sincere or consistent with his belief about the border wall. The president this morning woke up, we woke up to the push al t alerts on twitter that the president was tweeting trying to under cut his chief of staff on this issue of the border wall at just hours before the government was slated to shut down. A fight with your own team as youre trying to keep the government open is is not a good color for this president. It was notable, anita that trump said when he was read back kellys quote said he didnt say that. He didnt say uninformed. Just blankly. Right. I mean, clearly he could not have liked that and you saw that he didnt like that. I thought what was interesting about what general kelly said was very small way, he kind of took credit for trump for President Trump changing his views. Sort of taking a little credit and that isnt something this president does not like. You know, he wants the spotlight but he also wants to take all the praise for anything thats happening. So he couldnt have liked that. You know, i dont know that i buy that, you know, this is on the outs forever here. This say president that forgives pretty fast. He likes to the next day hes forgiven someone and they are back to talking again. He respects general kelly. They both talked about how they are in it for the long haul. I dont know well see a change. Anita is a regular guest and phil elliott, we hope to convert you the same. Thank you both for coming on on a thursday night. Coming up for us, President Trump on the road and mostly on message just outside pittsburgh when the 11th hour continues. Uncertainties of hep c. Wondering, what if . I let go of all those feelings. Because i am cured with harvoni. Harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. Its been prescribed to more than a quarter million people. And is proven to cure up to 99 of patients whove have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. Certain patients can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. Before starting harvoni, your doctor will test to see if youve ever had hepatitis b, which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after harvoni treatment. 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For the most part, President Trump stuck to the script in pennsylvania toting the success of the tax plan and extra money americans will see in their paychecks but friends at the Washington Post said the president s visit looked, sounded like a Campaign Stop with president ial praise for republican candidate rick sicone. They want to keep the seat with concerns it could be very vulnerable. With us, ashley parker, White House Reporter for the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst. She was at that rally in pennsylvania. Ashley, we are asked to believe that this was not a Political Campaign visit, this was a white house visit when there are 435 congressional districts in this country. The president shows the one to visit today where there is a special election coming up in march. We are asked to believe that. Thats what the white house was very vigorously insisting in the lead up to the visit that you could not call it a Campaign Stop and of course, this morning the president did what he often does, which is he sent out a tweet sort of first of all, saying exactly what he was thinking in that moment but revealing the truth of the situation which is he said im headed to this district to throw my support behind rick saccone. He focused on the tax policy and tax bill and praised rick saccone on the tour and gave him a brief shoutout but didnt have the trademarks you would expect from a Campaign Rally. Was it too cute . Ye yes. Was it actually a Campaign Rally, not necessarily. You were with mostly folks from the white house. I dont mean for this to sound inane but how does it feel to be around them these days post wolf book, mid russia scandal and with a looming possible shut down a down and showdown tomorrow night . Sure, one thing ive been hear income my reporting from people inside the white house and in phone calls, more so than the press pin today is that p r moral is incredibly low. In someway is there functioning at least publicly at a higher level than they were earlier in the administration when they were so ridden by chaos so public facing but i have been told privately things are just as bad and in terms of mood and how they are actually feeling in someways, its even worse. Were you at all surprised on how much the president stuck to his particulars . I want to read you a quote from Chris Matthews at the end of his broadcast tonight. He hit all the high notes, never a flat one and spread out the good news taking a gentle clip at the 2016 rifle without obvious nastiness. His pitch was uplifting, all the flags flying, im trying to think of a democratic rival that could match the performance close quote. That was from Chris Matthews tonight. Do you concur . To sort of answer your first question if im being honest. I was a bit surprise the president stuck to script coming off this morning where he sent out a number of tweets that undermined his chief of staff that undermined the House Republican plan to fund the government, the undermine the idea that this was not a Campaign Rally and then he was quite disciplined speaking from teleprompte teleprompter. Ill say two things, first of all, he made the appeal chris mentioned, he called out the forgotten men and women of america. It was very striking. It was exactly the right note for that district, but one thick weve also learned about this president , he needs a release valve. In someways he was off script inspect morning with tweets, you might expect him to be off script with the rally but if you followed him for awhile, the morning tweets and raging was his release. 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Well, Donald Trumps lawyer in october of 2016, what, about three weeks before the election seems to have created a delaware llc to pay the porn star who apparently had a relationship with donald trump a few years before 130,000. They denied that but there is a lot of reporting to confirm that. The Washington Post is the newspaper leading this. Among other organizations and in another year, that would have been a big story that three weeks before an election, they set up a lawyer a private lawyer sets up a firm to pay hush money to a porn star. I dont know. Thats nothing. In Donald Trumps america thats just story what does this say about our times . Nothing good. Nothing good. To the line defining down low, one thing would catapult anybody, doesnt harm him. Forget about the hush payment we didnt know about. The tape of where hes boasting about sexual assault, that should in any other time have been a disqualifying remark. That would have gotten your attention in normal times, yeah. I got something for you to react to. This is is from vanity fair on Rex Tillerson and the president s twitter account. He says the challenge is just getting caught up because i dont even have a twitter account that i can follow what hes tweeting. This is the secretary of state. So my staff usually has to print his tweets out and hand them to me tillerson told rice and the secretary asks himself how do we take that and now use it . In other words, how does that become policy. Are you surprised at this . Im not, actually. Im not even outraged by it. I think by the way, the secretary does indeed have a twitter account. There is a twitter handle for the secretary of state. Not Like Party Girl 99 or something. Exactly or delaware llc stormy weather. So i actually think the problem is not tillerson. Tillerson is trying to do his job and saying well, the president is making policy on social media, i need to follow it or, you know, to figure out what i need to do. The problem is trump is making policy on twitter, which is without using the intelligence services, without using the state department. Thats the problem. I think tillerson is just doing his job. Bill crystal, lets think about a u. S. Park Service Ranger working the night shift in blowing snow at Glaciers National Park before i say this. Government shutdowns are what people hate about government and washington. And if this is going to happen, how do you really with the white house, house and senate controlled by republicans, how do you pen it on the dems . Its hard unless you have a Party Line Vote and democrats voted to close it but looks like mcconnell may have lost senators that would make that impossible. I think donald trump asked himself the same questions you just asked and trump doesnt like to get blame for the things. He turns against republicans and democrats. If there is a shut down tomorrow night, what does donald trump say . This is the problem with washington. I tried to fix it but the guys on the hill are stopping me. Mcconnell, youre as bad as schumer. Its a chance for him, its a bad thing to shut down and i do think its bad for the Republican Party but if youre trump, you take advantage of the drama or try to and try to liberate yourself in a certain way. Hes always been independent at heart. That might be his attempt. Doesnt solve the problem but might try thats trumps way of trying to deflect the blame. The schedule is posted tomorrow that shows him departing from maralago just after 4 00 p. M. To go along with what bill said. Nobody wins in a shut down. Everybody loses. Its just some people lose more than others. Hell try to try triorange. Last the looked congressional pop tularity is 14 . Do you think he chanceancels trip at 4 00 p. M. . Who does he sell out . The hard liners and immigration that agreed to a deal . Does he i think hes got a golf game on saturday morning. Hell like the drama, trump late night at the white house. This is the state of our republic, ladies and gentlemen. Those of you at home join me in thanking two gentlemen, we always welcome to this studio because they always contribute to our conversation. Coming up, hope hicks appearance has been postponed. Our next guest is a member of house intel. Well ask her about it when the 11th hour continues. Its easy to think that all Money Managers are pretty much the same. But while some push High Commission investment products, Fisher Investments avoids them. Some advisers have hidden and layered fees. Fisher investments never does. And while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, Fisher Investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other Money Managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. 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Well, first of all, i cant confirm whether or not hope hicks was the person that was scheduled to be interviewed tomorrow, but in fact, that has been cancelled, and what we have seen this week is a gag order that started the week from the white house and then the end of the week actually postponing all together our opportunity to interview one of the persons that was within the close circle of the president. How do you play this . Especially for democrats on the committee, though your committee is where people were joking this week that by some have frankly called the Mueller Investigation the priority in this case . Theres no question that the Mueller Investigation is the priority. Theyre looking at criminal conduct. Our job is to determine whether or not the russian interference in our election was deep enough that it created a relationship with the trump cam pan and furthermore to determine whether or not our election system is so porous that it could be hijacked by the russians. So i would say that the bipartisanship in our committee is probably at its lowest ebb and i deeply regret having to say that, but it has become very, very difficult. In part i think because the white house is trying to pull the strings. Were these reports overblown that republicans joined the democrats in their outrage at bannons refusal to go there in so many questions . So steve bannon did not respond to the questions because he was told by the white house he could not respond. And i actually think that because hes persona nongrata, theyve thrown him under the bus and did not protect him like they have the other trump persons. Let me ask the followup, which is are you confident he will enjoy none of those protections when he is talked to by the mueller team . Without a doubt. There is no ability for the president to invoke executive privilege. Frankly, he doesnt have the authority to invoke it under the circumstances in which he has attempted to pull the strings here. You either have the ability to invoke it because its National Security or because its in the Public Interest to keep it private, neither of which apply in this situation. The president , and we apologize for the vote buzzer going on behind you, some things are unavoidable. The president said today the dems will take the blame if theres a shutdown. How do you avoid that, aside from the fact that you dont control the white house, house or senate . So youre right. The house, the senate, the presidency controlled by the republicans, they should have no trouble passing a c. R. I would suggest thats what happened is you have fraction among those in the Republican Party that is making it more difficult. A clean c. R. Will pass the house and the senate and there will be no shutdown. Thats precisely what we need to do in the next 24 hours. Finally, a topic very important to you, especially for those of you who watched and wont be able to forget your dramatic firstperson testimony a few weeks back. Tell us what you introduced today to make for a better workplace among members and staff on capitol hill . So, brian, this is a great news story because this is an example of where democrats and republicans worked together. We have introduced a comprehensive reform of our process here in congress. It will no longer have mandatory mediation, no longer have the cooling off period, allow the victims, complainants to be represented by counsel, paid for by the house or senate and finally require all members who are found to have sexually harassed to pay back the federal government and if they dont have the resources to do it in a lump sum, they will have their wages garnished or their thrift plans or finally their social security. Five term democrat from the state of california, congresswoman jackie speier, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, brian. Coming up, after our last break from the evening, news from the congresswomans home state. This has to do with the best known symbol of los angeles, the Hollywood Sign. And fair warning, you may not like it. With advils fast relief, youll ask, what pulled muscle . What headache . Nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. Advil liquigels and advil liquigels minis. What pain . Which means everyone has access to our real reviews that we actually verify. And we can also verify that what goes down, [ splash, toilet flush ] doesnt always come back up. Find a great plumber at angies list. Join today for free. Somesend you and your family overwhelrunning. Y can. Introducing febreze one for fabric and air. No aerosols. No dyes. No heavy perfumes. It cleans away odors for a pure light freshness. So you can spray and stay. Febreze one, breathe happy. Were pretty sure no ones everg asked howsaid microwaved. Eggs, you deserve a breakfast made with respect. Try the new bacon, egg, and cheese on brioche. Panera. Food as it should be. Last thing before we go here tonight. How about something on a different subject entirely and from a city other than washington or knock for a change. Would you believe theres an idea being floated for a second Hollywood Sign . Let explain. The problem is the popularity of the current and only Hollywood Sign, easily the most photographed sign in these United States when you think about it. Its been up there on that hillside since 1923 when it was first used as an ad for what happened to be a segregated Housing Development called hollywood land. Its always been a popular back dropped but whats changed here is the fact that we all now carry devices that are also cameras. Selfies have only been a thing, when you think about it, for about ten years. But the unbrideled desire for the perfect selfie is clogging the roads and the neighbors that are below and across from that sign. There are two approved viewing platforms, but that doesnt stop anybody, including 40plus tour operators from trying to get that better shot. So the city of los angeles did what cities do and commissioned a study by a consulting firm. They came back with a lot of ideas including a shuttle bus, a tram and a Visitors Center but heres the idea that got everybodys attention, building a second Hollywood Sign on the other side overlooking the San Fernando Valley and places like Warner Brothers and our own universal studios. They do admit it would make the original and only Hollywood Sign less special, but back to that congestion problem, as one person put it, the Hollywood Sign is being loved to death. And thats it for our broadcast tonight. Good night from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. So as you know, we are on shutdown watch. Well have the latest on this over the course of this hour, but right now as far as we know, we are headed toward a shutdown of the federal government as of 27 hours from right now, midnight tomorrow night. A bill, even a very, very shortterm bill to keep the government funded for a little while longer, that needs to pass both the house and senate to avoid a shutdown. A shortterm spending bill has already passed the house late tonight, but its starting to become clear that was the easier of the two chambers. Were expecting maybe procedural votes in the senate but the