of alabama will be a democrat. according to nbc news, doug jones is the apparent winner in the state. in the end it seems judge roy moore proved to be a step too far even for alabama. the victory means a major shift in one of the reddest of the red states. the implications felt here in washington here as well. president trump endorsed moore even as most republicans deemed him toxic. the president tweeted congratulations to doug jones on a hard fought victory. the write in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. the people of alabama are great and the republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. it never ends. that's his word. when jones takes the seat, the republican grip will shrink to a razor thin 51-49 margin. at least one republican senator is openly celebrating. jeff flake of arizona, one of moore's biggest critics. he's a republican and tweeted decency wins. in his victory speech, doug jones delivered a message of unity. let's watch. >> i am truly, truly overwhelmed, but you know, folks, and you have all heard me say this at one point or another in this campaign, i have always believed that the people of alabama had more in common than to divide us. we have shown not just around the state of alabama, but we have shown the country the way that we can be unified. >> at the end of the day, this entire race has been about dignity and respect. this campaign has been about the rule of law. this campaign -- [ applause ] this campaign has been about common courtesy and decency and making sure everyone in this state regardless of which zip code you live in is going to get a fair shake in life. >> the reason he had a wonderful diverse crowd up there, that election really was a victory for a combination of african-american and white vote. roy moore said he is not conceding the race yet. let's watch him. >> when the vote is this close, it is not over. part of the problem with this campaign is we have been painted in an unfavorable and unfaithful light. we have been put in the hole, if you will. >> i am joined by joy reed, host of "a.m. joy." that's the great weekend show that everyone stops everything for. the contributor to the voice of alabama politics and the former national committee michael steel is here with me. i want to go in that order and talk about first of all, to the extent you were surprised. i did pick this to happen. i worried about it all night. i love the contour tonight as it just shift and shifted and shifted and tightened and tightened until in the end, doug jones came out the winner. >> as you well know the votes in urban counties came in late. as it started to close and steve was doing that wonderful stuff on the board where you started to see montgomery county still out there, it started to look better and better for doug jones. i had friends in the political business texting me saying it was looking better and better for jones and i can't sure whether to believe it. it seemed so unlikely. al bammer is whiter than the country as a whole. it's about 66% as a whole and the country is about 61%. they need a super surge of black voters. doug jones rolled like a perfect seven. he got a super surge of black voters, about 30% of the electorate when they are 30% of the population. they really showed up. >> that was amazing to see. a 50-50 split in his victory coalition of black and white. that's wonderful and i love what he said about unity. i have to you it's my religion that the democratic party be a combination of the two races. it's great to have a solid victory in the black belt in that part of the country. we have the cotton country. michael steel, i wanted him to join us because he is my friend and he's a republican, but certainly no roy moore republican. >> no. >> if that is even the right phrase to use. >> no and that is not something that i think you would find existed within the party. >> they were at 49% or 48%. >> i think again the fact of the matter is that i'm talking -- >> that's the most desolate looking victory platform i have seen in my life. it looks like he is waiting for a bus that hasn't shown up. >> a number of things happened here tonight that i think are important. a lot of it has to do with how the party reorients itself tomorrow morning and what the president tweets. the tweet tonight was not the president's tweet. >> it did seem sort of civili d civilized. >> it's not what he felt. what i'm hearing in the white house is he ain't too happy. >> who are is he blaming? >> mitch mcconnell and the establishment folks on the hill. that then pivots how do they respond. you have seen the first for mcconnell to the senator-elect. we welcome to you work with us in the republican caucus. why is that important? one, we know we are now 49-51, but he knows jones's back yard. if he has a desire to hold that seat after 2020, he will have to give. >> will chuck schumer let him vote a couple of times republican? >> i think. >> i want to know what you know. you probably know more than me. what surprised you? the polls were back and forth and we had 10 points for jones the other day. that was an in person call. the other is nine points the other way for jones. i'm sorry. back for moore. then more so before that who were all for moore. what did we learn the inability of polls? what are we at here? >> i don't trust the polls since what happened in 2016 when they told us hillary had it in the bag. i trust alabama values and the people showed tonight that we will not tolerate this sort of nonsense representing our voices in the united states senate. we showed up and we spoke up and made sure that america knows that we mean business when it comes to the trump agenda. if we can fight him right here in his own home field advantage, we will fight him in every state where he thinks he can win. >> how much has the atmosphere of harvey weinstein come from everyone else? charlie rose and the charges against the republican candidate down there who has been so vo l vocal. how much did that national envelope did that affect the voting in alabama? >> i think it made a huge difference. this kind of thing resonates with women. when you look at women across alabama or in any corner of the united states, we have all been in a situation where a man didn't treat us right and we know that feeling and we know how it feels to not be believed. we showed up and said we are not going to tolerate it. it helps that looking across the country women were beginning to be believed in all corners of america. they felt confident coming out here in alabama where we don't have a lot of room to wiggle here. we women came out and said no more. we deserve better than this. >> that's a giant chorus and will be. amy from minnesota, thank you for joining us. you are a big national democrat and one of the leaders of your party. what does it mean to you? >> the sun is going to be shining tomorrow morning because the people of alabama have spoken and rejected the divisiveness and you have in doug jones a candidate who is a moderate and he brought people together. his whole background as a prosecutor in taking on the case of the four little girls killed in that church decades before. he is a man of redemption and he brought redemption and will bring redemption to washington. >> what are does it feel like as it progresses, the look of the guy who couldn't get reelected if he voted entirely progressive. will he get wiggle room to vote moderate to convince the voters he is representative of the state? >> we had a party that goes for bernie sanzers to joe manchin from west virginia. i don't see that as much as what's right in front of us right now. we have the tax bill, the laws take effect and the alabama laws give it a few weeks to be certified. i hope they are having troubles with that tax bill now. they should hold it off. you have the vast majority of americans against the tax bill and a conservative state like l alabama like virginia saying we don't like this kind of politics and medicaid and medicare and some of what we are hearing and let's go back to the drawing board. >> hold on and i want to bring in tom perez. mr. chairman, thank you for coming on. does this heighten the chances of taking the senate. it takes 51 to control the thing. do you think you have a shot for 2018 to win the senate? >> absolutely, chris. you look at nevada and you look at arizona and you look at tennessee and other opportunities out there and what i have learned from the last 12 months is democrats can win virtually anywhere. if we lead with our values and have candidates like doug jones and what we saw, this wasn't about right versus left, but right versus wrong. voters put country over party. i think there are opportunities everywhere. tennessee will be competitive. i'm very bullish moving forward. tonight was a victory for decency. a year ago trump won by 28 points and in one year you see a 30-point swing because they are so overreaching and the senator mentioned the tax bill. they ought to slow it down and actually listen to their constituents. they continue to overreach at their political peril. >> talking about overreaching, your candidate won and i'm happy about it of course, but doug jones was pretty far out there to begin with on abortion rights. he said it was okay to be pro choice and he pulled it back. is there enough flexibility in the democratic party to allow people to take the row v wade position. not so much that he took in the beginning that jeopardized i believe his candidacy. >> i have known doug for almost 20 years. we worked in the clinton justice department together. what i love about doug is he is an independent voice and he always will be. i'm confident there are going to be times when doug does and says things that other democrats agree with and times when he says things we may not agree with. i know it's always going to be what works best for alabamans. he was elected because he talked about the issues that keep people up at night. good jobs and his father, the steelworker and how he wants to make sure that people have a better life in the future. he talked about education and children's health insurance and preserving access to health care. that's what doug is about. #kitchentable. >> that sounds like a win to me. >> he was fighting culture wars and doug will fight for ordinary alabamians. >> you are singing my song. you are singing my song. let me go to the democratic tom perez. amy, are you still on? >> i sure am. >> you lost your fellow senator, al franken and we will be thinking about that one for years and the rightness and the unfairness of it and certain ways and the fairness of it. let me ask you about winning the senate majority. i think why is it important to have 51 senators rather than 49? what are the stakes? >> it's important when you look at the judges that this president has been putting on. you look at the economic plans repeatedly. they have been trying to repeal the affordable care act instead of doing sensible fixes that we need. and that tax bill that is a big transfer of wealth and a huge debt that would be accumulated on the backs of the middle class. 18 of them said we want to work with you and we will bring down business taxes, but they are not coming to the table and they're running up the table. with this victory, not only in alabama, but we saw in new jersey and virginia so that the american people and suburban voters and we see huge turn out with african-american voters and young people. they are just saying we want to take this country another way and that is decency and respect and in each case the divicive politics have been rejected. >> do you think we would be better off if this president resigned about the behavior in the past and turn it over to vice president pence? would we be better off. tough question, but i would love an answer. >> i did not want to see this president go in place. i favor the investigations and people are talking about the investigation we are seeing on russia. that's the only way we will be able to see a change. if the facts come out and there is a reason through congress for some kind of proceeding. right now that's what we have to let happen. at the same time we cannot let go and this is the message we heard from alabama and virginia. the economic message of people who want us to focus on the broader and broader issues. we have to step up for them every step of the way. >> thank you. great having you on. in a conversation with eugene robinson, i made this prediction about tonight's race. >> i'm beginning to think it's a slight victory for jones. we will see. >> and i hold myself to that. let's go back to joy reed on this. i like being right and i'm often right. i thought a slight victory is the way you describe this so i was right. i'm getting old. 2017 and 2016 are different. 2017 was a big shock to our system. as well as economic issues led a lot of people to vote for trump. they were ticked off with the establishments of both parties. are the wheels turning or is it too early to tell. start with 18. is 18 going to be more like 17 and is that enough? just these three victories. new jersey, virginia and this is the most important one and the most shocking in the other progressive direction in alabama. does this mean the democrats are in good shape to hold on in indiana and west virginia and hold on in missouri? win in nevada and places where you can see a significant democratic majority coming out of next year's election. i can see it. >> i think the historic trends necessary the democrats's direction in part because when a party has the white house, a lot of their voters whether it's the democrats or republicans become complacent and satisfied. they got the big win in 2008 and walked away in 2010 thinking my job is done because obama a tracked a lot of marginally attracted voter who is came out specifically for him. trump did the same thing. he brought out white voter who is got what they wanted in 2016 and weren't as motivated when he was not on the ballot. the upside down version of the obama voter. with roy moore, let's face it. there was disgust with roy moore that further softened the vote on the republican side. they were not enthusiastic and didn't see the yard signs and the excitement with donald trump. you combined that with an energized electorate, the resistance is real among women and people of color. they want this changed back. this trump era is agonizing and excruciating for democrats and progressives and people of color. they are energized. what you will see is the same thing. you have a lot of satisfied republicans who are happy with trump, but he won't be on the ballot. he can't compel them to vote when it's not trump's name that is on that ballot. he has to transfer that to republicans. who is he fighting with? republicans. there is no way he can help the party. democrats are in good shape. good candidates and a motivated base. >> i'm out of time, but i want to see people like to take one good punch to the gut. is that satisfying enough to go back to the regular pattern? >> we will see. that is typically what we have seen in the past and it could be the same next year. i would be cautious and put the breaks on a little bit of what joy is talking about because the democrats have 25 seats up. a big number in red states next year. they will have to defend in republican territory which may not necessarily go like it did tonight in alabama. the seeds are there and i think this is a big lesson for republicans to take away from tonight. when you get up with fleas, all you are going to do is scratch. you are not winning, you are just going to itch. >> your grandpa finnegan tell that one. thank you, joy reed. i heard from a progressive and a moderate. more next time. thank you very much for coming on. coming up, the stunning victory by doug jones is giving democrats visions of big things to come. if they can win alabama, where can't they win? i'm ahead of the teleprompter. much more on a big night. what a celebration this is going to be. this guy clawed hads way to the top and took on the klan and roy moore and won both times. good for america. this is where the action is. a special edition and i would say celebration edition of "hardball." doug jones will be the first democratic senator since hal haflin won 27 years ago. for a closer look we go to steve who knows all things. i love the fact that i am learning about the geography of alabama. in most states there is always a montgomery county. every time we go somewhere. it tends to be decisive. you take over. >> we will start with montgomery county and the counties around montgomery. two keys for jones pulling off the victory. this batch of blue countos. the biggest in the bunch is montgomery. these are heavily black counties and the key was not just votes for jones, but turn out. if you looked at where the turn out was in the state in the election, the drop off counties was a lot less than these heavily white rural areas. black turn out was very strong. it gave jones the win and what worried republicans nationally, it was a continuation of a trend we have been seeing in the trump era of the struggles in traditionally suburban areas. in shelby county outside birmingham, shelby is a republican bastian. it is also of all the counties, it has the highest consecentratn of four-year college graduates. mitt romney got almost 80% of the vote. donald trump got 73% of the vote. last year in 2016, roy moore wins it. this is catastrophic in this county. 56% of the vote, a huge drop from what republicans tend to expect. these are the voters, the white college educated suburbanites that the jones campaign thought they could make inroads with. madison county. every state has a madison count te feels like. huntsville, the aerospace industry. this is number two in terms of the percentage that have four-year college degrees. a lot of engineering degrees. donald trump won with 55%. a place mitt romney took 60%. today roy moore only able to get 40%. it's the real discomfort with roy moore that we saw in these suburbs. these are terrible numbers for republicans to be racking up in these places and you look and we think of that virginia gubernatorial race and the suburbs outside washington, d.c. common characteristics in terms of the voters we are talking about. that could have implications in 2018. >> did you sense anything the last week or two. watching this dynamically that this was going gradually to jones? >> yeah, i mean we didn't see mass defeks from republican leaders, but the president trump of the united states decide to get involved in the race, but we saw richard shelby. his refusal to make the endorsement. that's what i was thinking of when i saw the turn out figures in this part of the state. when i saw the turn out, that speaks to a republican base. it's not necessarily that they would vote for jones, but more that they were not going to vote. >> that reminds me of what john warner did in virginia a couple of cycles ago. he said i will not vote for this guy and that put the stink on this guy. here's a look back at how you reported the drama of tonight. let's watch you. >> it's skeletal and sketchy and early. you see about 25,000 votes. jones out to the early lead. it depends where it's coming from. about a quarter of the vote in with a counted total right now. moore is leading, but big caution. jefferson county is where birmingham is only started to come in. let's forget that. enthusiasm advantage in the heavily black areas of the state. that's a key thing for jones. the margin down to 13,000. the basic ingredients are there. this is a narrow race. it's a question of just enough or just short for democrats? if there ever come a win, it will be in the next hour or two. >> half the vote where jones's lead is at 10,000 votes right now. still half the vote to come in. he is within 3,000 statewide. take a look up here and 15% to come in. he will get more votes out of here and more out of here and he is within 3,000 statewide. >> he outdoes me in speed and activity. he's amazing. he caught the dine ammism and great to watch the progression. thank you very much for the dynamic display of greatness. >> who doesn't love an election night? >> i love the sound of that music we play. thank you. coming on right now is republican strategist and a senior adviser from move on down. i will give you a chance to yuck it up. >> this is a great night for democrats. as you guys have been talking about virginia. democrats have done well with virginia and alabama which is a boost for democrats. as steve was saying, the reason why democrats won tonight in alabama is because of turn out. the only way you have turn out is you have to have a large strong grass roots operation on the ground and a great candidate and doug jones was. >> you going let him be a moderate? yes or no? are you going push it to the left? >> i think he should reject donald trump's policies which are horrible. >> you going to let him be a moderate? >> we will push him to be progressive. >> in alabama? >> i think he should be. >> a true progressive can win reelection in alabama? >> if you stand on the right side of history. >> you want 100% voting record. >> i think he should vote with democrats and against the republican policies. >> consistently with democrats. >> why not? >> i think that's a mistake. >> if you do that until 2020 that would be great. >> this is not normal times of what republicans are trying to do. >> first i'm going to congratulate doug jones. he deserves to be congratulated, but let's be honest what the race was. it was a referendum on roy moore. he was under multiple allegations for sexual conduct including with a teenager. my bigger question would be what would that say about the democrats if they hadn't won. senator shelby greatly outtrumps the president and bannon in saying what he was going to do. if you look at the results, a lot of republican diagnosis stay home. the percent of vote that is the democrat got was less than the democrat got. this was really nothing to do with doug jones. this was everything to do with people said and even if it's mitch mcconnell or anybody else, they said we would rather go with not supporting somebody who we don't want to defend their character once he's here even if it means we will lose a senate seat. if the republicans wanted to unify and win the seat, they could have. he felt he would have been the gift for you that gives all year around. >> can i push back for one second? during the primary, they were having the run off. there were two general election polls that came out that had doug jones being very close in beating both luther strange and roy moore. it was competitive before the primary. >> he would have won if the allegations had not come out? >> i'm not saying doug jones was a great candidate because he made it competitive. >> what about the allegations? >> you are saying doug jones didn't matter as a candidate. that's not true. he made it competitive before the pedophile stuff came out. >> it's the same reason donald trump could not have won without hillary clinton. >> the me too movement played a strong role. they were winners as well. >> do you think doug jones can survive as a senator? >> not if he votes like a democrat. he can keep the d registration, but he has to prove to alabamians that he is going to act like their values. joe is different. you remember joe is a governor and people got to know him personally and he has a tough reelection. >> i know he does. >> he has been voting with democrats. >> he has been voting with democrats this whole time. >> i disagree, but that's fair enough. or you disagree with me. that's fine. thank you. up next, after tonight's victory in alabama, what does it mean for the democratic party going forward and how good are things looking for 2018? i think they are looking guard if the democrats are smart. you are watching "hardball." >> big night for the democrats. welcome back to "hardball." mitch mcconnell will not have to deal with the problem of roy moore joining republicans. he will have to contend with the new math, however. already thin or slim majority. 49 democrats and 51 republicans. senate minority leader chuck schumer said in a statement doug jones will be an outstanding senator who will represent alabama well. he is a great candidate and will be a better senator. roy moore is awful and never should have gotten to the senate. just like in virginia, democrats are energized and focused on the middle class and those struggling to get there. for more on what's next, this is me talking, i'm bringing in the expert from uva. center for politics at university of virginia. editor and publisher of the great political report. larry, virginia was a pretty powerful message a couple weeks back and this one, alabama is part of the new south. it's not solid when it comes to roy moore. >> look, this is much bigger than virginia and i love virginia and it was a strong signal. to have a ruby red state like alabama with president trump carrying it by 28 percentage points and managing to lose a senate seat even by a small margin suggests what could be coming in 2018. even with roy moore being a horrible candidate. don't forget, donald trump struck out twice in alabama. once in the primary and then in the general election. it suggests to me and think to a lot of people that he is not going have a lot of pull in 2018. what pull he has in competitive states will be negative for the republicans. >> thank you for saying that. the women pro choice single women in northern virginia, we know that story and i have grown up with it around washington. pro choice democratic women vote democrat because they are pro choice. i want to talk about the african-american vote which is apparently half of the winner's vote was african-american. was it the sense i get when people are african-american not just in the sense of the commentary. this guy is demotining us as citizens and treating us lower than human, down there on the pecking order of who matters? he sends that in a personal way to people and you get it in their faces and the looks they have when you talk about it. it's profound. i wonder it that can stir something that we haven't seen in a while, a larger than white if you will, turning out among african-americans. they will care more about the elections coming up. it happened in philly because i know what i'm talking about. we had frank rizzo as mayor. the african-americanors outvoted the white people because they seemed anti-black. >> i wonder why they feel that way. donald trump's long history even before he became president of racial insensitivity and not being kind. honestly, that's absolutely right. people get a sense of a president and i don't think donald trump has a clue how most people look at him. it's a large majority who look at him and are critical. every single day he stirs the pot three or four times and makes another million enemies. >> he did it with kirstin gillibrand who has been tough on women looking out for them in the workplace and the military. it's an issue that matters to most people. trump calls her a slut today. it was an amazing thing to say she came into his office begging and say i will do anything for your money. >> why would he want to pick that fight? why go there? >> every professional woman who works and said is that what he thinks is going when we ask for a raise? really? >> that's a perfect example. >> that's a perfect example. >> of another group who said i don't respect you. let me ask you about the pure partisanship. is it a hashinger of 2018? >> i think there is a lot of evidence we will see a potential for a huge democratic wave next year. it looks really, really bad. the house absolutely and after this, the senate is now really in play. having said that, i think tonight was about roy moore. if this had been luther strange as the republican nominee or a generic republican, this show wouldn't be on tonight. there wouldn't be a story. this wouldn't be close. this was about roy moore. >> was it about harvey weinstein and that whole development? >> sure, but the problems that republicans had, it's president trump's 36, 37% job approval rating and having a 48, 49, 50 strong disapprove rating and having the republican party identification dropping five points in a year. it's state legislative seats shifting this year. it's an enormous amount of evidence that next year will be ugly, but tonight was about roy moore. >> how about the african-american vote. i am very enthusiastic about african-american voting. it has been depressed and suppressed and all the tricks of voter id and everything to do to screw them out of voting and everything else and poll tacks and finally they had a chance to get out and they spoke lout and clear and beat that guy. is this going to rouse them in the future? because it matters. >> i think it's absolutely going to happen in 2018. i agree with the wave that's coming. don't forget about the governors and state legislatures. you will see a tremendous turn over to the democrats which will be critical for the next redistricting in 2021. donald trump has got the white house and i suppose a lot of republicans are still happy about that. he is going to cost them tremendously. next year in the mid-term elections and probably beyond that. >> i think the people that like trump don't like him as much as the people don't like him, don't like him. i think we saw that tonight. >> i just finished a week and a half ago the bobby kennedy book. it's really, really good. >> thank you. i didn't tell him to do that, but he's an expert on politics and wrote the most beautiful review. >> best book you have done yet. it's christmastime and time to go out and get the book. i don't mind saying that. alabama was a stunning rebuke for president trump and steve bannon. they hold as much slander now that they have broken their 56. you are watching "hardball." >> this is greater than judge moore, right? it's even greater than the people of alabama. i know one thing. nobody can come down here and folks in alabama what to do. there is a special place in hell for republicans that should know better. you know what they are doing when they are trying to shut up president trump and judge moore? they are trying to shut you up. >> that's an outside agitator. that's what it looks like these gay days. steve bannon going against people who came in to tell them how the vote it. he told them how the to vote, uppering republicans to tell them how to vote. tonight's loss was a rebuke to that guy, steve bannon and to president trump. let's be honest. here's the headline from "new york daily news." screw you and the horse you rode in on because the candidate who just lost last night was the guy who rode in on a horse, roy moore. it was ridiculous doing it anyway. the headline said teen loving moore loses alabama race in big blow to trump. that's bring in that hilarity to "hardball." the chief national correspondent for the boston globe and contributor to nbc blk. in this order, let me talk about this. what does it do to bannon and these friskies that look for the most hard right candidate they can find and run them claiming that unlike the case of christine o'donnell and out there in murdoch and the in nevada, they are actually going to win. now they are going to give us winners. they gave us probably the only candidate who could have lost in alabama which is like hard hot red. >> very hard to do. it's a complete -- you can't overstate what a rebuke this is to steve bannon who went down there times to campaign and he put his stamp on this campaign like nobody else from the outside. even donald trump wouldn't go into the state, but steve bannon went four times. it's going to make his life more difficult here in washington. >> it wasn't exactly an away game. it looked like if he can't win in a republican state, where can you win? >> it says something different that the demographics of the country are shifting that even in the red south, i live in virginia that used to be allred and now it's purple, not blue. >> when was it allred? >> when was it red? >> 1964 was the last time a democrat carried it until obama. i'm talking about just in the state. >> am i missing something? >> no, not. let me finish. i thought roy moore would win by a little bit. most people did. white women and african-americans said no dice and they made the difference. this me too thing is bigger than anybody thinks. >> the black belt, if you will. you look at the map, there is -- >> it's a younger african-american. >> a big percentage. >> younger progressive women and young african-americans, more educated. more centrist. that's what happened. >> here's what i think about steve bannon. we know he can't win and we are starting to get sure he can't win a general election, but he might be able to swing a big ax in a primary. the question for republicans, can they get past steve bannon in a preemary to be competitive. >> exhibit a, donnelly could have a tough race in indiana. one of the rape candidates. they have weird views on the issue. if he gets back in again, they run a reasonable republican. they will have a tough fight. >> that's going to happen all over the place. you get really jammed up at playing ball with steve bannon. they may not have a choice. maybe the only thing that i can do is dance with bannon. >> the news of doug jones's victory won't be the only headline greeting donald trump tomorrow morning. the "usa today" editorial goes after the president for his sexually suggestive tweet directed at kirstin gillibrand and reads, a president who all but called a senator aer who is unfit to clean toilets or to shine george w. bush's shoes. this is one of the two or three national newspapers. >> this is not a newspaper who is known to be a lefty paper. it reads like a lefty screen you might hear at a thanksgiving dinner. this is "usa today." their circulation is the middle of the country. this changed the whole alabama race. without it he would be senator-elect right now. why did trump imply clearly that kirstin jill brand had come into his office alone to get money. that was the suggestion in what he said. >> donald trump has no control when it comes to this thing. my wife said to me before i left, don't mind the tweet he said today. wait until tomorrow morning. let's see the tweet in the morning. that's who when he puts the stuff out that he really thinks. >> feel like trump just wants to be the center of attention. for a moment it has been on alabama and not on him. now we are talking about it. >> he knows it will get us riled up which it has. he feeds on it. he doesn't like women. can i just say that. he doesn't like women. he has mommy issues. he doesn't like women. look at how he treats them. 17 women coming out and one alleging something horrific as a minor that he may have raped somebody. this is the president of the united states. >> who alleged that? >> the young woman that filed a suit when in the federal courts and lisa bloom was going to come out and she wouldn't come out because he won the election. >> besides that horrific stuff, it's criminal and almost a capital crime. how about this? making fun of the physical appearance of fiorina. he wouldn't do that to a guy. >> he said little hands with marco rubio. >> or the dig absabled reporter. >> there is a meanness, but if you look at his administration and inner circle, he has women he listens to. whether it's hope hicks or kelly an conway. >> the ones that stand up to him is who he has a problem with. elizabeth warren, kirstin gillibrand. >> who was the who went against him face-to-face. >> sale yates. >> like with hillary like he is looming over her. who would turn around and say what the hell are you doing? i'm waiting for that candidate. thank you. we'll be right back with more on this special big time upset in alabama. democrat doug jones is the apparent winner in alabama. he looks like the real winner, not just the apparent one. the face looks real. we'll be right back. why did you take credit card debt on? 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