Administration. And the president is dealing with another missile test from north korea, the aftermath of a category 5 hurricane, and the prospect of brokering a big deal on immigration. First, military Officials Say north korea fired a Ballistic Missile this evening that flew over japanese airspace and crashed into the pacific ocean. After mr. Trump returned from florida where he handed out sandwiches in a food line in naples. When air force one took off for florida today, it left behind hope, anger, allout confusion, all of it on the topic of daca and the 800,000 or so socalled d. R. E. A. M. Ers who were brought to this country illegally by their parents and through no fault of their own. Last night we were here talking about democrats. Schumer and pelosi. Touting a deal with trump after dinner, chinese food, at the white house. They saw the deal as excluding the wall on the southern border, their view. Well, todays view was not so clear. It started when trump wrote on twitter this morning, no deal was made last night on daca. Massive Border Security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote. That was the message to the president sent to his 38 millionplus followers on twitter. Then in front of cameras today, he said this. Well, were working on a plan, getting massive border control. Were working on a plan for daca. People want to see that happen. You have 800,000 young people brought here, no fault of their own, so were working on a plan. Well see how it works out. The wall womill come later. Were right now renovating large sections of wall. Massive sections. Making it brand new. Were doing a lot of renovation. Were Building Four different samples of the wall to see which one were going to choose and the wall is going to be built. It will be funded a little bit later. I just spoke with paul ryan. Hes onboard. Everybodys onboard. They want to do something. Were not talking about amnesty. Were talking about were talking about taking care of people. Well, within an hour of those comments, Speaker Paul Ryan laid things out pretty plainly to reporters on capitol hill. Theres no agreement. The president and the chief of staff called me from air force one today to discuss what was discussed. And it was a discussion, not an agreement or a negotiation. The confusion quickly spread to much of the rest of congress. One of our most productive discussions was about the daca program in which we all agreed on a framework. I dont think they came to any final agreement, but i think its good theyre talking. We have the makings of a deal. Theres a deal on the table. I think its unfair to say that theres a done deal. From what ive heard, it sounds like a deal to make a deal. There is no deal currently made. If the president did make a deal, we still got to do what we do on capitol hill. All i can say is theres a deal to be made. I assume theres a space for a deal. I have noticed one thing around here, i know theres a lot of discussion on this, people around here talk a lot. I kind of learned to wait and see what they do. There you go. So whats the deal on the deal to be made or the deal to make a deal . Tonight, the New York Times explains how this deal went down. Apparently over dinner, the president asked some version of whats in it for me . Schumer respondsed with a litany as what we saw as mr. Trumps president ial sins according to two people with direct knowledge of the interaction. Those included pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord and failing to unequivocally denounce antisemitism and racism in the wake of the charlottesville violence. The time had come, mr. Schumer declared as nancy pelosi the top House Democrat nodded in agreement for the president to prove himself to democrats if he wanted to do any big deals. All of this served to ignite forces in the normally fiercely loyal trump base. Ann coulter wrote on twitter, at this point, who doesnt want trump impeached . The daily caller home page tonight reads, dons juans amnesty could be trumps first major legislative accomplishment. Then the radio wawaves lit up. What would you call a republican who sounds like jeb bush now when it comes to immigration and daca . You could call them a republican in name only, right . Rino. The president of the United States is apparently a rino. Imagine if he called out to the crowd, were going to build samples of the wall, samples of the wall, and were going to make the american taxpayers pay for it. Is trump, im asking you, who voted for him, is he this tone deaf . Is he this ignorant no does he not know what got him elected . From there, lets turn to our leadoff panel tonight. National political reporter for the Washington Post also host of Washington Week on pbs, robert costa. Shannon pettypeese, White House Correspondent for bloomberg. Jonathan hlamier for the associated press, were happy to welcome onboard as an msnbc political analyst. Welcome to you all. Jonathan, you get to go first. Laura ingraham was particularly sharp right there in her sarcasm but what are way talking what just happened . Is this a transactional, as people like to call him, movingtarget president . First of all, its a president , with saw this in the congress today, scattershod approach, approach of telling people what they want to hear allows other folks potentially with very different varying viewpoints to hear what they want, that hes not going to get pinned down, he is ideologically flexible to be kind. This is a president who, yes, hes eager for some sort of win, hes eager for that word, again, deal. He is frustrated, deeply frustrated with mcconnell and ryan. He has no personal connection with them, he feels like. He feels like they let him down over health care. Feels like they let him down by not shielding him from the russia probe. When chuck and nancy come to dinner, he finds people who speak his language in terms of senator schumer, a fellow new yorker, and feels like this is people, perhaps, i can work with. Now, it certainly risks alienating some of the base. Certainly some of the boldfaced names were very critical of him today. The issue will be, do the rank and file trump voters, those people who filled rally halls across the country last year, chanting build the wall, those who get their news from breitbart which has a headline today that says don amnesty. Will they also break from the president . These are the very people he said he could go out into 5th avenue and shoot someone and theyd stay with him. Robert costa, i want to read a few things to you that have come out tonight. First of all, Maggie Haberman on twitter, kind of summed it up by saying, and elements of this, you have all written. Trump who has no chemistry with mitch and likes chuck is happy making a deal. This is politicos version of trumps works with the democrats. In recent weeks, trump has complained in private that its difficult to have any sort of relationship or even make small talk with Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell. Hes told staff that he finds speaker paul ryaryan, whom hes dubbed a boy scout, dry as well but the two have some rapport. Im also reminded barack obama, didnt he has one point, robert, say you have a drink with Mitch Mcconnell . So its not easy being Mitch Mcconnell i guess these days. Sum up what you think we just witnessed, robert. Negotiations between congressional leaders and president s can often go in one direction. We saw that as you mentioned with president obama then House Speaker john boehner when they were talking about fiscal negotiations. It becomes a new challenge once that deal heads to capitol hill. With this new daca agreement, its really only a framework. House speaker ryans comments were revealing a tof the state play in the house gop, remains more hardline in some respects to the House Freedom caucus than President Trumps current position. It will be interesting to see how speaker ryan handles this moment, does he try to bring the schumer trump agreement to the house floor . Shannon pettypeese, there are three ways to be heard on the house floor. Number one, in is a wearable microphone. Number two, there is kind of a regional microphone that can hear you. Number three, theres to talk in front of an open version of numbers one and two, and we had a little bit of hubbub today because Chuck Schumer was talking to someone, barely audible to a microphone. Lets listen to that. Well read to help the viewers out, read what he says here. Talk about it on the other side. He likes us. He likes me, anyway. Look, what we said was exactly accurate. Heres what i told him. I said, mr. President , youre much better off if you can sometimes step right and sometimes step left. If you have to step just in one direction, youre boxed. He gets that. Oh, its going to work out and itll make us feel productive, too. Well, shannon, thats a little civics lesson right there. Whats going on here . I know weve all sort of been giving our psychoranalysis trying to figure out whats going on with these relationships with where Chuck Schumer is and where trump is. I guess my take on this, and what ive gotten from talking to people close to the president , people who know him well, is that this is a president trying to find his way around washington. Who came in, as we all know, no experience in politics, no experience in washington, other than going to a few fund raisers. He had no previous existing relationships. Hes trying to figure them out. Ryan mcconnell didnt work. Lets try chuck and nancy. Has this previous relationship with schumer. I remember talking to people in the r early days, maybe two, three days after the really fiery inauguration speech and the early press conference saying, well, there go people saying there goes any hope of him working with Chuck Schumer, working with the democrats because a lot of people in washington saw that as a really natural alliance. And he went the other direction and now hes being, you know that didnt work out, so lets try this, lets see if this works out. As one person, a supporter of his, ally said, hes sort of been like someone lost in the woods trying to find their way in washington. I guess lost in the swamp would be the other analogy. Feeling his way and hes feeling in this direction and seeing how it works out and seeing what happens. So, jonathan, theres no rulebook and no ones being graded here, but how do you veteran trump watchers figure out if this is a weekly thing, a monthly thing, or a quarterly thing or for the rest of his administration . Your guess is as good as ours. Youre not supposed to say that. It changes by the hour. It changes by the minute. It changes by the tweet. This is a president who has not that Many Political core convictions. Hes willing to compromise, hes willing to make a deal. He is now with some democrats who, you know, have been reluctant, you know, with an angry base, to give him any sort of win. So i think theres a little danger here for schumer and pelosi, too. Social l certainly daca is something their base supports. If suddenly they start giving trump victories, give him momentum, perhaps that could be an issue for them as well. The president is delighted with this turn of events. The staff, aides have been telling us this is the happiest hes been in weeks if not months. He likes the good headlines hes getting. He likes the cable coverage that says hes been brokering bipartisan deals, hes being a leader. Combined with the positive response hes gotten for the most part for his coverage his response to the hurricanes. The presidency, the president feels like he has a little bit of momentum and that he is, at least for now, wants to make across the aisle, reach across the aisle, make these deals. I dont think any democrat necessarily thinks this is going to be a longterm proposition. Robert, i was just going to say that schumer is, according to a lot of people in his life, what lbj used to call one of those Good Government types. He does have a side to him that looks like he just got elected Student Council president in high school. He does believe in the process. Cagy, partisan, inside player, yes, but i think you just heard Chuck Schumer in Chuck Schumers own words. Thats what he sounds right. Thats exactly who senator schumer is. Whenever im at the capitol, i almost always see him with his phone pressed to his face. Its an oldschool phone. Not an iphone that you can go on the internet on or send text messages. Its a flip phone. It reminds me hes the same generation as President Trump. He has the same new york negotiating style. There has been a gap between the president and leader mcconnell and speaker ryan, even though they share a party, they dont share a temperament. The president will probably pay a political cost with his base. Ive been on the phone with congressman king of iowa, the hardliner on immigration, as he was about to board his plane mying homy i flying home to iiowa. So angry with the president s turn, angry, confused what about this meant. Was the president truly walking away from the base . Could it be worked out in the coming weeks . Breitbart was enraged today in numerous articles. Thats the site now run by steve bannon, the former chief strategist. And the president loves the press hes getting now, but remember, theres a lot of things coming up. New deadlines. There will be more fights to come from the right if they feel angry about this move on immigration. So shannon, this anger in the base, anger on the right, is really . Oh, absolutely. And theres been a concern that this was going to happen, that he would get alienated from his base with steve bannon out of the white house and with general kelly, the new chief of staff, cutting off access to a lot of these old trump allies who, yes, were a distraction and would feed him false information sometimes but kept him tied and connected to the base. Whether this is a political calculation of saying lets just put the base aside, lets focus on getting deals done, it will come around, i dont know the answer to that yet. But the base is furious and anybody who the comment i could go to 5th avenue and shoot someone, yeah, you could but you still had to build that, you know, expletive wall. Thats what the base would say. They want that wall. That was a deal breaker to them. And i dont know yet if he understands how important that was without some of these allies around him keeping him in touch with the base. Witnessed Laura Ingrahams cutting comment about were going to build samples of the wall. Finally, jonathan lamier, a quote that came to our attention tonight, the president had the White House Historical society over, and id like to give this a dramatic reading because it blends what people have said tonight, a president learning on the job, an anti a noninstitutionalist, with a president who also feels the need as you may know for superlatives from time to time. Here is what he said about the storm damage. You know we had very well, some of you are from texas, some from florida. You both got hit. In texas you got hit with the largest amount of water anybody has ever seen. I guess the largest ever recorded. And in florida, you got hit with the strongest winds ever recorded. It actually hit the keys with a it was a category 5. I never even knew a category 5 existed and they suffered greatly. Learning on the job. The president s cable package certainly carries fox news, perhaps it doesnt have the weather channel. This is not someone who has studied president s of the past. There was a fascination early in the term about andrew jackson. That was really a steve bannon push. Thats over. The president has expressed no interest in andrew jackson, in fact, i dont believe he ever mentioned him on the campaign. Only after he was elected when bannon said, hey, lets draw populist similarities. This is a president whos feeling his way, does not have much political experience, does not have sense of sort of the history of the office and only recently has shown some willingness to express the gravity of the office. He did when he made the decision to send some additional troops to afghanistan. He did perhaps not elegantly with the hurricane response. Were compelled to say we have jose in the atlantic and two more disturbances behind it, even though we have all made it through the height of hurricane season. Our great thanks to our leadoff panel tonight. We learned a lot. Robert costa, shannon pettypiece, jonathan lamier, thank you all. Coming up, donald trump has taken his fair share of public shots at his attorney general Jeff Sessions, but we now know the extent of the humiliation behind closed doors. That and more when we continue. Listen up, heart disease. You too, unnecessary er visits. And hey, unmanaged depression, dont get too comfortable. Were talking to you, cost inefficiencies, and data without insights. And fragmented care, stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. Every single one of you is on our list. At optum, were partnering across the Health System to tackle its biggest challenges. But he hasoke up at optuwwork to do. In. Ring across the Health System so he took aleve. 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He should not have recused himself almost immediately after he took office, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me prior to taking office and i would have quite simply picked somebody else. I want the attorney general to be much tougher on the leaks from intelligence agencies, which are leaking like rarely have they ever leaked before. I told you before, im very disappointed with the attorney general, but we will see what happens. Time will tell. Time will tell. Thats what he said about his guy in public. Donald trump publicly ridiculing his attorney general, Jeff Sessions, this summer. Tonight, the New York Times paints a vivid picture of just how trump treated Jeff Sessions in private. It was back in march when sessions recused himself because he had his own contact with russians during the campaign. In may, trump fired james comey from the fbi post, leading to the appointment of robert mueller, forgive me, as special counsel. According to the New York Times, the white house received word about muellers appointment while sessions was in the room, prompting President Trump to berate the attorney general for recusing himself in the first place, calling him an idiot, according to the times and asking for his resignation. The times reports here, ashen and emotional mr. Sessions told the president he would quit and sent a Resignation Letter to the whousz according to four people who were told details of the meet lg. Mr. Sessions would later tell associates the demeaning way the president expressed him was the most humiliating experience in decades of public life. Lets talk about this, joining me now, michael crowley, politico Senior Southern Affairs correspondent and National Security editor, and our friend and former federal prosecutor, paul butler. Gentle help, tha gentlemen, thank you both for coming on. Michael, what stands out to you . This was obviously volcanic and diminishes and emasculating. What stands out to you . Well, the human drama, of course, brian, and the sort of maybe from a certain perspective, tragedy or depending on where you stand, the tragic comedy of Jeff Sessions who went way out on a limb to support donald trump. First member of the u. S. Senate backed trump at a time when a lot of republicans didnt want to touch trump with a tenfoot pole and thought he had no chance of winning and sessions, you know, kind of hit the jackpot when trump wound up vaulting to the white house. Looked like something of a political genius and in a way his dreams were coming true. He got this job that hed aspired for for decades and then hes completely humiliated. Made a fool of in the oval office in front of political cle colleagues and now essentially in front of the entire country. So, you know, take your pick, is it tragedy or tragic comedy, brian . But the one other thing i would say here that strikes me is the total lack of selfawareness demonstrated by President Trump in this outburst where he, you know, the special counsel has been appointed, trump understands this is a disaster. Robert mueller is obviously going to have a broad mandate to look at all kinds of things. The russia scandal is met taft si metastasizing for his eyes. This is because he fired james comey as fbi director which we all heard steve bannon say a few days ago even steve bannon said was the greatest mistake in modern political history. Thats what this is about, not Jeff Sessions. Donald trurup donald trump continues to show no selfawareness about that. Hey, paul, a short question and long one. The short one, do you know of any sensible washington lawyers who dont agree with the decision by sessions to recuse himself . Sessions has to recuse himself because sessions, himself, misled congress about his own dealings with the rushes so theres no way that sessions could objectively lead an investigation about whether the Trump Campaign colluded with the russians. But its become obvious that the president does not want an objective investigation about collusion. All right. Now, lets pick up where michael left off. If youre mueller, whats your reaction to reading this kind of playbyplay, kind of pathetic as it is, in the New York Times . So, again, trump opened the door to the appointment of mueller when he fired director comey. And so now hes been running scared and prosecutors like puzzles. So mueller and his ace team of some of the countrys best prosecutors and investigators are wondering why is it that the president is running scared . Or what is it that he fears about an investigation . Typically, the political line is, i welcome an investigation because that will exonerate me. And so when we see the kind of increasing tentacles of the special counsel, first looking at collusion, then obstruction of justice, real estate, tax, and so forth, again, its trump whos telegraphing that theres a there, there, and this ace team of prosecutors aims to find out what it is. Michael l, the times piece is a hell of a yarn, it tells of other aids coming in and saying to the president , not a good move to lose your attorney general and start again. So ultimately sessions resignation is not accepted. Sessions stays and hangs in there to see, what, to the finish . Immigration. Just this week, look at whats happened to daca. Again, i keep saying, michael, it makes the article read even more pathetic than its intended. Again, brian, tragedy, tragic comedy, it could either. Its just you couldnt make it up. As with so many things in this administration. And, you know, sessions is not the only person who has endured this kind of, frankly, humiliation. Reince priebus was basically ridiculed by the president privately and publicly. There have been moments where paul ryan, i think, looked, lets say, at a minimum, had to be questioning why he has gone as far as he has to defend this president in the eyes of many people, looks like hes gotten thrown under the bus and maybe looked foolish on more than one occasion. On a more serious note, brian, again on this question of trumps world view or selfawareness, the times article describes him berating Jeff Sessions for a lack of loyalty. Showing no understanding that the attorney generals highest loyalty should be to the law, should be to the United States dug constitution, not to be a li lickspittle to the president who protects him at all costs. And that is a very substantive, i think, misapprehension that is really troubling. Paul, you get our last word tonight. It was reported tonight that Paul Manaforts spokesman has been called before a grand jury for testimony. I know you dont love engaging in speculation. What kinds of things would Paul Manaforts spokesman be asked about . Well, what did Paul Manafort say . You know, the thing with attorney the thing with the special counsel is hes got this tool called a grand jury which can subpoena anybody and make them answer questions. So Paul Manafort we know has exposure with regard to real estate transactions. He was at this infamous meeting with donald trump. He probably talked to other people about it including his spokesperson. So special counsel mueller gets to find out everything he said. All of the email, any notes, and not just with manafort, but with everybody else who was at this meeting. So, again, this is going to be a long process, but special counsel mueller really seems to be heavy on the case. Hes acting very differently, we have to note, from how sessions would have run this investigation which is probably why trump wanted sessions to stay. And this man with manafort relatively minor player in all of this, this is a small chapter but it speaks to the awesome power of a special counsel. Michael l crowley, paul butler, gentlemen, thank you both as always. Thanks, brian. Thank you. Another break for us. Coming up, Hillary Clinton responding to Donald Trumps latest attacks on her. Also appearing in this very studio earlier tonight. More on that after this. David. Whats going on . Oh hey thats it . Yeah. Everybody two seconds dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance. Through the Tuition Assistance program, every day mcdonalds helps more people go to college. Its part of our commitment to being americas best first job. If yand constipation,ling and youre overwhelmed by everything youve tried all those laxatives, daily probiotics, endless fiber it could be wearing on you. 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Amy, was anything there for stridetrmore strident than a, youre used to, b, her tone in the book and other subsequent interviews . I thought it was consistent with the book. One thing, during the campaign i used to joke with some of hillarys friends, we want to start a free hillary movement. Why doesnt she say what she really thinks . Right. The seems so guarded. The book, the voice its written in, is very conversational and very candid. For hillary. Were still within the bounds of hillary, cautious hillary. I think you saw even more of that in rachel. Obviously she feels very comfortable with rachel. Theyre kind of Kindred Spirits in the russia front, on the frump showing his taxes front. They seem to have a rapport that allowed her to unleash about how she feels unexternal forces she thinks impacted her law. Yet anyone who has seen her said where was this candidate . Exactly, exactly. Rick, at the end of rachels broadcast when lawrence came on the air and asked rachel what stood out to you, rachel answered, this next answer by hillary, well look at it together and talk about it on the other side. We now know that they were sowing discord during the election with phony groups on facebook. They were running antiimmigr t antiimmigrant, antime, antiHillary Clinton, demonstrations. They were, you know, putting out all this fake news. All these negative stories that were untrue. To really divide people. So if your government were to say, you know what, were going to get to the bottom of this and were not look, we may have our disagreements among americans, were not going to let the russians come in and divide us. And so were going to make facebook own up to everything. Theyve just begun to own up. They have a long way to go before they ge t to where they need to be in my opinion. Other tech companies. Were going to go after these provocateurs, these russians posing as americans. These content farms in macedonia. These thousand trolls. These tens of thousands of bots. Because you know what, we have everything right to have a vigorous debate in america, but we dont want it being interfered with and suborned by putin and his allies. Now, while full dises closure, i have a Family Member who works at facebook, rachel l referred to this in shorthand as Hillary Clintons facebook answer. It seems to me things at facebook are about to get damned interesting as they hear calls like that. Youre a veteran of the news media and of the Government Communications side and this is the whole new world everyones been talking about. Yes. So lets talk about the government piece first. After are russia annexed crimea, i spoke to former secretary clinton and she said to me, beware of russian disinformation. She understands russia as well or better than anybody. Thats why putin was so skeptical of her. Now to get to the media piece, i mean, i think were in a new day now, when a Media Organization, even though has not called facebook a Media Organization, of course, it is. When a Media Organization is involved in the suborning of our democracy, you cant hide things and i know you know there are certain Legal Protections about protecting ads, but we need to see that stuff and i think we need to get to the bottom of it and she was very strong in what she said about that. Amy, is the alternative here that we are , indeed, doomed to repeat it . Because none of these bots are going away. Look at the results they are had on a minimal investmentment. They got right into us. We learned a lot more about this after the election. Democrats saying why is she doing this book tour, why is she talking about this . Frankly, her talking about this is giving it attention especially with very active gru gruch group of her support who are feel like it should get more attention. In my social media feed, a lot of nostalgia, as you mentioned, how knowledgeable she is about russia, longing for that kind of discussion. I think were learning more. This is the tip of the iceberg. Is she the perfect messenger since she obviously feels line they impacted her loss . Maybe not. Shes an important voice and well continue to hear more. Rick, one sentences, last word, will we be wider in 2020 or, in fact, worry about the same forces . I think were already older and wiser. Were more aware of it and will be more skeptical i hope. Okay. Thats fair. Amy chozik, rick stengel, thank you both very much. Interesting conversation tonight. Coming up, the prkesident, again, going there on his both sides comment postcharlottesville. That discussion when we come right back. Fisher investments avoids them. Some advisers have hidden and layered fees. Fisher investments never does. 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Welcome back to the 11th hour. There it was today on air force one, mark landler of the New York Times writes it this way, President Trump thrust himself back into the racial storms of charlottesville on thursday repeating his charge that those resisting the neo nazis and White Supremacists were as much to blame as the altright crowds who marched on the virginia collegetown last month. T. The president made those comments while describing a conversation with South Carolina republican tim scott. The only black republican in the u. S. Senate. Now tonight, the white house has announced that President Trump has signed the joint resolution from congress that urged the president to speak out against hate groups that espouse racism, extremism, xenophobia, white supremacy. With us tonight, julian ted, u. S. Managing editor at the Financial Times. Author and president ial historian michael beslosh with us, and Chicago Tribune contributor lawrence page. What was your gut reaction when you heard the verbiage, when you heard he was going there again . Well, i had an image in my head of President Trump trying to dance through nuance with two left feet. Hes a man who as we know, he talks in onesyllable words, talks in terms of black and white as if hes colorblind to gray. And as a result, he could not say that there were some people who misbehaved on the side of the antifa folks, but most of the misbehavior came from the neo nazis and the klansmen. Instead, he spoke in a way that seemed to equalize the two and he cant get past that. Thats why he could very comfortably sign this bill that condemns the racist, the ku klux klan, neo nazis, et cetera, but has a hard time saying it. He just is able to do it on paper. So i think this is something were going to have to live with because President Trump is the kind of guy who could never admit that he makes a mistake or that he cant articulate something so he keeps making the same mistake over and over again. Michael, can you remember another time when a president has been, in effect, corrected by a joint resolution or a joint resolution was used as a tool of congress to reset something internal to the president . No. I mean, you know, in modern times, who could have imagined that wed be in a situation that the house and senate feel compelled to send the president this resolution demanding that he denounce White Supremacists and then at the same time, he gives this statement that weve been talking about on that plane. I think i have a slightly darker view of this than clarence does, a slightly more assertive view which is i think donald trump today was getting his head handed to him by conservative commentators who were angry at what he seems to be doing about daca and about the wall and he sort of cynically thinks that by sort of having a replay of these awful comments, equating the people who were neo nazis in charlottesville with those who were trying to protect the citizens of charlottesville against them, that somehow hes going to sort of blunt the anger of the kvbtiveconservatives. Not going to work. Jillian, none of the news stays here in this globe the Way Electronics are. How did the president s remarks on this subject specifically, this both sides business, how has this play eed around the globe . Well, people are just completely astonished that people are still talking about this and even more astonished that the president keeps stirring up this hornets nest. Quite needlessly. I spent a lot of time recently in the white house talking to people about whats been going on and essentially the issue is that people around him recognize, are frustrated, it doesnt bring about very much good doing this yet President Trump is somebody who simply cannot sand to cannot stand to be attacked. He has to prove he is right. Fae for better or worse, he feels there needs to be more of a spotlight on antifa whax th, wh did. He keeps coming back to this point over and over again. Its incredibly selfdestructive in many ways in terms of trying to keep the white house on track with any kind of message or action. For our viewers who may not be familiar with antifa, may think its some sort of longterm disability insurance, it is the anti fascist. Thank you very much. Here i was explaining it and blanked on that word. All right. Well, well put a pause on this conversation. When we come back, were going to change the focus a little bit about the president s daughter and this question, have expectations about ivanka trump and her ability to influence her father as a daughter, as a white house aide, have they been unrealistic . More on that in just a moment. Experience the lexus rx with advance safety. Standard. Lease the 2017 rx 350 for 399 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Stay with me, mr. Parker. When a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. Stay with me, mr. Parker. The at t network is helping First Responders connect with medical teams in near real time. Stay with me, mr. Parker. Saving time when it matters most. Stay with me, mrs. Parker. Thats the power of and. Track tuned handling, and aggressive styling. The bold lexus is. Lease the 2017 is turbo for 299 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Ideas, talk in the hopes that someone more capable will come along and do that, somebody like donald trump who does not give his daughter to a jew. Donald trump but more racist. A lot more racist than donald trump. I dont think you could feel about race the way i do and watch that kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl. The Financial Times writes this, for Ivanka Donald trump, the documentary made charlottesville hit home in a way other white house catastrophes had not. It made it very personal. Someone familiar with they are thinking told me still she made no public comments. What was your overall takeaway from a big package of coverage here on ivanka and the headline is i will not be distracted by the noise. Well, we did a big portrait and a big interview with i have au ivanka and the portrait that emerges is a woman in the middle of incredible conflict almost every day. She knows she got into the job by virtue of accident. She sees it as a sign of being loyal to her family and she shes herself as part of the team to help her father. Yet at the same time she has different views than her father on a number of different issues, its become clear she cant control her father. Shes trying to contribute and be part of the team as a loyal daughter, but keep distance. On charlottesville, she did not come out and do what so many critics would like to have done, come out with a ringing criticism of her father. She tried to navigate a way to keep credibility and distance while being loyal. But that job is getting harder every day. Many people are asking why do it. Michael weve had president ial kids around before. I was thinking tonight fdrs son helped his son stand up along with his steel leg braces. We just have not had president ial kids around in this capacity. No, we havent. And i think i thought the ft jillians paper, its a wonderful piece, everybody should read it. It said that she works the media, she perfects her brand. I think we do have to mention that every time there seems to be a situation where she tries to influence her father in a different direction, we hear about it. You know she spend a lot of time with newspaper reporters and others making sure that we know about every single time that she intervenes with the idea that we should celebrate this. I think this article is one example of that. And when i was read i go all this, i was thinking of Robert Kennedy, not the child of john kennedy, but the brother, attorney general, big adviser. He was a ambitious man. Could you have dreamt Robert Kennedy going to a reporter on or off the record saying these are all the dumb, mistakes that jack made that i tried to get him not to do. I owe you one, we ran out of time. A patient and forgiving man, thank you all were back with more after this. I count on my dell Small Business advisor for tech advice. 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