documents case. details from pennsylvania, he is the victim of cost control. and trump versus grievances, chuck smith is moving forward to the january 6th in 2020 investigation. it could result and a criminal indictment. what you can expect one of trump's legal fronts this week. plus, president biden has more good economic news to highlight. even as congressional republicans keep talking about impeding with pressure coming from donald trump. based on what? we will unpack that strategy. let's get started, we have a lot of business. >> we are looking at a consequential week ahead for donald trump and for democracy in america. on tuesday, a federal grand jury in washington d.c. will meet for a potential third criminal indictment against trump. of course, efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election this comes just days after the special counsel's office tacked on three additional charges. we are looking for espionage obstruction who died but in the documents case. special counsel as two new charges, and for charges against a brand-new defendant at mar-a-lago property manager, carlos oliveira. he will make his first court appearance in florida tomorrow. although, we have just learned that he does not have local, legal counsel. the former president responded to this in front of thousands of supporters in pennsylvania last night nearly two hours, predictively painting himself and writing his critics and railing against any semblance of an order applied to him. >> they waited two and a half, almost three years so they could bring him in the middle by presidential election. it's election interference. i considered a great badge of honor i do. it's a great badge of honor i'm being indicted for you. >> >> additional charges, a looming third indictment. and the possibility of even more charges. don't forget what's happening in georgia, folks. this could feel like or should feel like the demise of trump's political career. a long awaited and to his outside influence and national morale. so, why does it feel like our morale as even more battered and brittle. the only -- to watch trump pledges allegiance are the ones that bear his name. he sent the nation to the brink of a constitutional crisis, rather than accept defeat. he is more than willing to do it again. he told us so himself. >> you get convicted and sentenced, does that stop your campaign for president if you are sentenced? >> not at all. there is nothing in the constitution that says that it could. not at all. even the radical left -- and it would stop me either. >> his lies have directly threatened our democracy before with millions of supporters attaching their very identities to his whims. in the former president refuses -- he wants to or to preserve, protect and defend that democracy. it may be more in danger than we think. joining me now to discuss, this and more is nbc news senior national political reporter, john allen. and new york times congressional reporter -- >> john, let's start with. you talk to us about the former presidents speech. his claim that we just heard of the beginning of a whole mix of grievances that he had some of the chs against him. >> and of course they're similar nature to what we have heard before. he portrays himself like a victim, silva convict him on behalf of it. he says he is being indicted for you, meaning his supporters i think what's really interesting about what he said last night and what he has been saying about the last couple of, days and what we've seen from his campaign team in the last 24 hours. it's a really harder edge towards republicans who do not get behind him immediately. there has been a back and forth between the desantis campaign in the trump campaign today. in which the trump campaign basically said, the desantis folks are helping the liz cheney's and adam schiff's of the world. and that only morons or idiots would effectively side with them. so, we are hearing a harder edge right now. >> let's stay on this issue of, you know, what is happening in trump world. how are they taking this superseding indictment and possibility of a january 6th indictment that could come this week, how might that be impacting the campaign itself? >> these are sort of two separate things in a way, charles. from the perspective of donald trump, he doesn't go to prison. and anybody who thinks otherwise is not paying a lot of attention. of attention. >> there is risk for him and at least a couple of these cases of that happening. certainly, the federal indictment that we have already seen in the southern district of florida, miami. but the superseding indictment, that is a potential outcome. you have also seen the expecting of an indictment in the january 6th case. that is a huge liability for him. so, on the practical level there is concern. as far as the politics go, it is really helping him in the primary. he has been able to rally republicans around him. he is trying to do that even harder now as the heat turns out. he is chilling that heat back on, if you get with me now or your turncoat. >> what campaign is trump expected to do this week will the legal drama is unfolding? >> we are expecting to see him basically at the end of the week. we may potentially get more indictments before the end of the week. but we are expecting to see him in south carolina next weekend. also, in georgia on friday. >> so, luke unlike the classified documents case some embers of -- were aiding his effort for biden's victory in 2000 -- advancing lies about a stolen election, or conferring with trump to -- based on your reporting, if there is a third criminal indictment against trump this week in the january six investigation -- can we expect from the congressional republicans? >> well, if histories and a judge to congressional republicans will rally around trump. there is a culture on the hill that basically donald trump can do no wrong, no matter what the accusations against him. we have seen what happens to republican, after republican. they are quickly run out of office or sidelined in the party. so, i would fully expect them to rally around donald trump, no matter what this indictment says. and in fact, they will probably shift the conversation to a myriad of accusations against the biden administration and not even try to entertain the facts around the indictment. >> let's look at this low, in the midst of all these developments with donald trump, some republicans are hyper focus on an impeachment of president biden. what are the latest on that effort? how are they justifying this? >> right, yeah. speaker kevin mccarthy gave someone his strongest comments supporting an indictment -- sorry, an impeachment inquiry. but he gave them no timetable for that. so, we are expecting that to be -- if it does get launched sometime in the fall, there's still a lot of debate on the hill among republicans. i talked to a number of centrist republicans and they don't like this idea. they think that there needs to be stronger evidence before any impeachment inquiry where to begin. they think the republican party will be better off focusing on things like inflation or the high cost of groceries. things that they think resonate more their voters. especially, those republicans who won and districts that were won by president biden. in order for there to be an impeachment inquiry, there would be a vote in the house to do it. so, kevin mccarthy would need to unite the republicans around that. but i think he is doing, at least according to the freedom caucus. he's giggling that up there for them to get up there and get excited about. it to distract them from the egoing on about spending. >> but look, trump himself is piling on the pressure right now. he's going to endorse the impeachment effort last night. he's going to call for republicans who are supposed to pay a price. take a listen to this. >> the biggest complaint that i get is that the republicans find out this information and they do nothing about it. the republicans just don't fight, there are people, they don't buy the weight of supposed to fight. a republican who doesn't act on democrat fraud should be immediately primaried and get out. get out. >> now luke, how heavily do you think republicans will weigh those words? >> yeah, i mean he just threw down the gauntlet, they're right? . we >> kevin mccarthy was impeachment inquiry on the floor, he is putting a very tough vote up for his own conference. it will be a tough vote for many of the republicans in congress. because congress is so gerrymandered, most of them it will be a very easy vote. yes, we will investigate biden and try to impeach him. but for those two dozen members or so, one in districts where president biden is likely to be voted for him. that is a much tougher vote. and so, if they take a vote and they become ostracized by trump in the party. they get run out by someone more extreme in the primary. well, now they are potentially giving away those seats to the general election. that is a very risky strategy. that's what trump always does, he forces them. you're either with me or against me. that is one of the reasons that the republicans believe they have lost the senate in the presidency under his leadership. >> i want to stand this trump strategy. this whole thing is classic trump. targeting his component, affecting from his own legal issues. it tends to work, right? >> absolutely, charles. it works in the republican primary. but what we haven't seen yet, and what we remain as an open question for this election is whether he is harming himself in a general election. you, know what these investigations and indictments will mean for independent voters come november of next year. whether they will weigh that against him or for him. they are looking to -- but what we saw on 2020, a lot of ways trump defeated himself. you look forward a little bit and say, the picture is not as clear as it is when you talk about the republican primary. you've done such a very good job of demanding and getting loyalty. >> nbc, jonathan allen. luke broadwater. thank you so much for joining me. coming, up the mountain of legal trouble for donald trump seemed to be growing by the minute. and next week, things could be getting even worse. we are breaking down exactly what the former president could be facing with a potential third criminal indictment. but first, here's richard lui with today's other top news stories. richard? >> charles, good afternoon to. at least 55 people were killed in more than 100 injured in a suicide bombing in a political rally in pakistan. police confirmed the suicide bomber set off explosives in the country's northwestern region. that borders afghanistan. two u.s. citizens were kidnapped in haiti, a nonprofit group says a woman who works as an organizational nurse along with a child were taken from their campus near port-au-prince. the state department is in contact with haitian authorities there. they're working to locate the two citizens. kidnappings are taking place. the same day the state department ordered nonemergency u.s. government employees and families to beef haiti, due to civil unrest. and the united states threatened to cut off assistance to niger, if it is democratically elected leader is not restored to office. now, this warning comes as -- from secretary blinken as niger 's -- asked a democratically elected president. niger is a key partner of western countries like the u.s., such as france in addition to that. the european union also has cut off the national sport. more simone for you, right after this break. when you shop wayfair, you get big deals for your home - every day. so big, we'll have you saying... am i a big deal? 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>> -- >> carol, i think we lost charles. can you respond to that? what do you make of it? >> sure, well, it's very interesting. what this means is that a jack smith actually has a witness in the form of mr. taveras, a party to these very important conversations with mr. de oliveira, with respect to donald trump, or the boss, he's described in the indictment, the boss saying that he wanted these video surveillance tapes destroyed. so, what happens is, when one potential defendant decides to cooperate with the government, there's a conflict of interest, obviously, between a current defendant and one who's going to cooperate with the government. so, what nauta has this attorney. now mr. taveras, the cooperating mar-a-lago employee, apparently has his own attorney, at least one who is ethical enough to say, well, i'm going to do what's in the best interest of mr. taveras. that appears to be cooperating with the government. he does need his own counsel who is not also representing one of the current defendants. >> charles, could a third defendant delay this may 2024 documents trial? do you think that they may be broken up in some sort of way, these cases so they can go forward on different timelines. >> charles, i don't see the third defendant in the superseding indictment delaying it further primarily because most of the delay is going to considerably revolve around the notion of discovery. any discovery issues that are bound to occur because of the sensitive nature of the documents be third witness here, the third defendant here doesn't have much to do with that. i don't anticipate there will be a new delay on his docket. with respect to the question of bifurcation, that could delay the overall trial if one of the defendants were to move in that respect. because jack smith has brought the case as codefendants they would have to offer a pretty compelling reason to split them off. if they felt there was going to be emotions but before the court. >> charles, we are heading into august when fulton county d.a. fani willis signaled that her team would be preparing to bring charges in their election interference inquiry into the former president in georgia. what would you expect to happen there. >> well, that's been everyone's question. i do think that we are going to see some pretty interesting and high powered recognizable names on that docket. i do feel like donnie willis has shown herself no stranger to laws, that should mean that she is going to leave a very broad narrative around what happened in fulton county. i do think that we're going to see some high-level names, whether donald trump's name is on the indictment, that remains to be seen, it's very clear that she has no problem, if you look at the history of a prosecutor, telling stories, and weaving narratives that basically explain how people conspire together in order to commit certain crimes. that should be for donald trump, it's going to illustrate how many people he had involved in this overall scheme around the electors and around trying to -- so, that's something that i would be on the lookout for. whether donald trump's name ends up on an indictment, it's not something we will know yet. i do believe that when it finally does come out, at -- one bonnie luis files it, there will be some very recognizable names that are listed. >> we will be watching. charles coleman and carole lamb, thank you both for joining. coming up, how donald trump's trial and tribulations are impacting republican presidential races. the latest candidate to actually call out trump for his actions even though he got booed by a loyal trump fan. we will discuss that next. something more. that gritty feeling can't be brushed away. even a little blurry vision can distort things. and something serious may be behind those itchy eyes. up to 50% of people with graves' could develop a different condition called thyroid eye disease, which should be treated by a different doctor. see an expert. find a t-e-d eye specialist at isitted.com when the murrays discovered gain scent beads, they fell in love with the irresistible scent. ♪ ♪ huh, huh, so did their dog roger. ♪ ♪ gain scent beads keep even the stinkiest stuff smelling fresh. introducing the all-new 2024 chevy trax. ♪ ♪ helps you stay connected, ♪ safe ♪ and charged. ♪ the all-new chevy trax starting at $21,495. the possibilities are endless. 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>>. i don't think that's what you're going to. say i thought you're going to ask me how does it undermine trump. my answer would've been, it undermines the rnc. it undermines it's a great deal. it shows that they don't have the, they don't have the organization under control. they don't have candidates who are concerned about cooperating with them, working with them arm in arm. and you know, for trump i would be very surprised if he's not on that stage. if you recall, he wasn't talking, he was being very hesitant about endorsing the nominee that wasn't him back in 2016 as well. so, trump just has this hold. we talk about the hold that he has over the voters in the republican party, he has a real hold over the leadership, overt ronnie macdonnell, over the national committee people across the country. the state chairs. they all look at trump as their only chance to win. so, no matter what they say in a written agreements, if these are the, rules anything else they are gonna going to do anything that might undermine his ability to be successful. >> secretary, only a handful of republican hopefuls have been willing to speak out against trump including former congressman will hurd who recently said that trump was only running for president to avoid prison time. he elaborated on those comments this morning in an interview with chuck todd on nbc's meet the press. take a listen to that. >> donald trump is a liar. drawn a trump is a national security threat. donald trump willingly knew that he had this country's secrets. he was trying to tamper with evidence to hide that he had that information. all of those things are true. that doesn't matter who the head of doj or fbi's. >> secretary, at what point if any will be re-see other candidates speaking out against trump at that level? >>. it's mind-boggling, charles. basically, the people that are during this, like congressman hurd, i know him, he represents part of my own hometown here, san antonio, and also, asa hutchins, and i think they were the two at the lincoln dinner the other night that went aggressively attacking trump. they are the people that don't have a snowball's chance of winning. the problem is, even if some of the others like desantis started to attack in the same way i don't know that they've established the name idea in the credibility that you would need to effectively pull off that attack. the conventional wisdom in politics is don't attack your opponent, especially if it's somebody that's doing better than you in the polls. unless you've built up your own name, i.d., goodwill with the voters. name, i.d., goodwill with the voters. i'm not sureow anyone has done. the, so probably their best, that although it won't happen because they're all competing against each other, their best bet politically would be for all of them to gang up togethe,g donald trump on electability, if we get into the fall of 2024 you're going to have someone that's indicted. he's going to lose the general election go after him on the electability. again, i don't know if that's going to happen, i see that right now is their only hope. >> so, i want both of you to stick around. up, next house republicans are making unfounded threats of impeachment towards towards president biden. it's so absurd that biden is making a joke. we'll get into that. that's next, in a few minutes. stay with us. small towns across the us, where our focus is to always support the people who live and work there. because you call these communities home, and we do too. pnc bank. permission to dig in? 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>> this is the best example so far of how dangerous it is to have speaker mccarthy. and when we remembered the path that led him to the speakership, he is accountable to this small damaged minority of republicans in the house now. if they go forward with this to the secretary's point, it's going to hurt almost all republican candidates. it's going to hurt their presidential candidate. it will hurt the majority of their congressional and senate candidates. what mccarthy is going to bring it forward, he is essentially sold his soul to get the speakership to this small group of republicans who care not at all about the party or the country. they care only about their own personal ambitions. >> i would say they're only very damaging personal ambitions. >> moving to the supreme court, amid calls for more oversight of the nation's highest court justice samuel alito rejected the idea that the constitution gives congress any authority for the court, we should note that republican -- on justice alito at a luxury trip he took to alaska with republican donor who had business interests before the court. secretary, what is your reaction to justices comment? >> a very convenient response from justice alito. just after we've uncovered all of these really highly questionable actions by clarence thomas and by alito himself. of course, he try to preempt that by going to the wall street journal. however, it's clear that congress does have a role. here they already have dealt with expanding the court in the past. requiring ethics disclosures that the supreme court says they voluntarily go along with. so, this is not something that is foreign. this kind of accountability. it also exists for lower courts. it's disappointing that justice alito would take this position in the face of so much evidence that the system is broken. that folks are engaging and unethical conduct. if, anything they should be holding themselves to a higher standard than everybody else. because of their unique role in ensuring justice and our country. >> jennifer, justice alito is reacting to efforts to impose a code of ethics on a supreme court. as the secretary just pointed, out this is just like the ones for every other federal court that they already had. why is this not more of a bipartisan issue? >> it shockingly political, isn't it? the manner in which justice alito's phrasing this and responding to this, this is the most openly political court we've seen in my lifetime, certainly. in my adulthood. every week that passes, it feels like the conservatives on the court are becoming more openly political. lower more pro-republican as opposed to pro democrat. it's really shocking to hear them behave in this manner, to speak in this way. i would say that for justice alito and any others on the court who are coming forward with the same idea, that they don't deserve to be to have oversight or that somehow they should be able to do what they want and when they want were guard less of ethics, it makes them look and sound more guilty. it sounds more and more like they are concerned about what the people might learn about them in the future. i think it's a poor position to be in. it should make everybody in that country a little bit suspicious and very much more concerned than we have been before. >> it feels like it's damaging the court for them to feel like they're above. secretary castro, jennifer, horn thank you so much, coming, up a new charges against donald trump seems to be drawing even more parallel to former president right richard nixon from previous years. we are talking to historians who have written a book on the missing audio in the tapes. the comparisons to what trump allegedly tried to do with the mar-a-lago security. my store and my design business? 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for some history buffs, that brings to mind the 18 and a half minute gap and the inaction tapes to help bring down his presidency. for presidential historian douglas brinkley, he's written two books on these very recordings. so, how do you view the comparison between the trump obstruction charge to richard nixon and the missing 18 minutes? >> you have to keep in mind that donald trump warship richard nixon. a shared lawyer. roger stone, the dirty trickster for donald trump had a tattoo of nixon on his back, you know, but what trump learned from watergate is different than what do you and i did, he thought of -- the low moment for donald trump that nixon is throwing in the towel, he should've fought the blasted to the bitter end. never resigned, never ever, ever resigned. that's what he learned. he made a big nick sony and mistake. that is called ego. the reason richard nixon had 3700 hours a voice activated tape, nixon thought he could beat winston churchill. a multiple six volume history of the great richard nixon. we see donald trump refusing to return documents the national archives because he was going to use them for his own personal profit. and that's what nailed both of them. in addition to the similarities, what you are mentioning, the erasing of the tape, this idea of getting rid of a videotape at mar-a-lago, very similar, it's called the cover-up. and that's what the whole watergate story is. nixon looks better, at least nixon had a sense of american identity. he was a statesman, somebody who had a sense of civics. if not ethics. trump has no sense of civics. zero character where nixon had flashes of character at certain moments in time. >> trump may be facing a third criminal indictment, this would be yet another unprecedented political situation, what's the best way to historically contextualize all of this? >> donald trump is an outlaw persona figure. he despises the institutions of the federal government. if he had his choice, he would abolish the fbi, the irs on and on. he is an autocrat. authoritarian, a dictatorial bent, it is an egomaniac. so, these indictments, he's going to have to wear them as some kind of badge of honor. it's his only escape from potentially, his only escape from prison as winning the white house. you're watching all these other candidates in iowa. ron desantis, is running for the presidency. chris christie. only donald trump has that extra motivation. he could end up spending years in jail if he doesn't win the presidency. i would say this is about the we are this spectacle in our nation's history. we put a mafioso gangster el cajon dillinger pretty boy floyd iconic outlaw vote figure at a top of the grand old party of abraham lincoln. >> let's stay on that a little bit. it's not just that trump is vying to be the republican nominee in 2024's presidential election after being criminally indicted, he is also signaled that he would expand the powers of the president if he is reelected for a second term. is that where you? >> it frightens me to know and. i think people see donald trump is a celebrity. you know, obama was a celebrity. ronald reagan was a celebrity. trump celebrity. reagan and obama weren't trying to seize a kind of crazy executive power. -- getting the government so he can be the all powerful putin of america. so, people have got to wake up. it's not a game. you might watch a clip of trump and laugh, the guy keeps hanging in there, the law is chasing him. he's escaping them here and there. if trump got reelected, it would be a shattering moment for american history. it would be these is-ing of our bureaus and institutions. a gutting of things, like the environmental protection agency at a time when we are all having to deal with the woes of climate change. >> always a pleasure to talk with you, douglas, thank you very much. and i thank you for watching symone on this sunday. i am charles and for simone sanders thompson, you can watch simone on msnbc weekends at four pm eastern. anytime over at peacock, where there are new episodes on the msnbc hub every monday. and you can find more of the show on instagram, twitter, tiktok. politicsnation with reverend al sharpton starts right after this break. on sta our heritage is ingrained in our skin. and even when we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us. because you can take alfa romeo out of italy. but you best believe, you can't take the italy out of an alfa romeo. meet the team... behind the team. the coach. the manager. and the snack dad. all using chase to keep up with their finances. the coach helps save goals here, because she saved for soccer camp there. anddd check this out... the manager deposited a check. magic. and the snack dad? 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