Transcripts For MSNBCW PoliticsNation With Al Sharpton 20160

Transcripts For MSNBCW PoliticsNation With Al Sharpton 20160605

And were learning more about alis final hour. The cause of his death was septic shock after five days in the hospital. Messages of sorrow continue to pour out. President obama tweeted this photo, showing himself under a photo of ali. On saturday, he called alis widow Lonnie Williams to express his condolences. Lets start with nbcs craig melvin in louisville, craig, what more are we learning about plans for the coming week . Reporter reverend al, we can tell you that muhammad alis body will spend a fair amount of time here in louisville thursday and friday, in addition to that public memorial that is going to happen two blocks from here at the young center. Going to be open for anyone. And streamed online as well, we can tell you. But his body will make its way down the street that bears his name here in louisville. In addition to president clinton, he will be eulogized by Billy Crystal and Bryant Gumbel as well, two long time friends. And there will also be a gathering here at the muhammad ali center. You can see behind me, the memorial that popped up shortly after news spread of his death. That memorial continues to grow. But on friday, folks will gather here as well. This is a center that opened in 2005, by the way. Its primary mission is to encourage a new generation of muhammad alis, if you will, in advocacy more so than in sport. You mentioned his final minutes. His final hours and days, we can tell you he was surrounded by his family. He was surrounded by loved ones, one of his daughters, hana, she posted on instagram last night, she was gathered by her fathers bedside, she said that all of his organs failed, but his heart wouldnt stop beating. For 30 minutes. No one had even seen anything like it. His nine children were able to say their goodbyes. I spoke to laila ali, i was working on a separate story in california and asked her about her father and how he was doing. She told me he had been having some difficulties, that he had been having some problems but he was a fighter. She expected he would be around for many, many years to come. And we went into the hospital last week, a lot of folks thought this was just going to be one of those routine visits, but it turns out it was not. As you indicated off the top, we lost the greatest. No doubt about it. Thank you, craig melvin, for your insight into the life and legacy of the champ in his hometown. Now to get further insight, lets talk to a man who was inspired by muhammad ali. Inside and outside of the ring. Joining me by phone is former heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield. Thank you, first of all, for taking time this morning, evander. Thank you. You had a day to let the news sink in. What are your thoughts this morning about muhammad ali . Well, you know, at the time when they had black history, thats how i got to know who ali was. I pretty much looked at ali and jackie robinson. When i was 8 years old, i was told i could be like ali. And i told my dad my mom. My mom, she said, what . She knew how great ali was. And and i told the man, but im only 8 years old. He told me i wouldnt always be 8. I said, right, because next week im going to be 9. It is all in what you believe. And i made the olympic team, i was light heavy like ali. And chris hinkle at the time told me to be like ali, Evander Holyfield let me ask you there, right on that point, evander, ali had a unique style in the ring. What made him special as you grew up being like ali as you put it, what made him special, his style in the ring . Well, i mean, his face was the key. Here is a man who would back it up. That means he knew his craft, he was a hard worker and even though he was comical about the things he did, but he did them. And with me, i know my mama told me, you hold that tongue. I was able to hold my tongue. But i just think about how much how much how much pressure you put on yourself by what you say. Yeah. And then you have to back it up. So that was awesome. Now, you mentioned you won an olympic medal like ali did. What were your thoughts after hearing he would light the torch in the 1996 olympics. Well, actually, i didnt know because in 1996 i was hoping to light the torch. I was i wasnt looking at ali. I was looking at in the state of georgia, who is the most popular person in the state of georgia . Who was the first world champion. I was. And when the gal Harvey Schiller was telling me you have good news and bad news, what is the good news, good news, you going to carry the torch. The bad news, youre not going to light it. He said, who is it . I said, i cant tell you. I cant tell you. With me, i said i better be thankful. At the last second, i didnt think i was going to touch it and i got the opportunity to. But the only time i realized is when he got to the end. It was ali. I know you didnt mind getting bumped for the champ and you did carry the torch there. Evander holyfield, former heavyweight champion, thank you for your time this morning. Now lets bring in Washington Post columnist jerry brewer. The headline on his latest column, muhammad ali is gone, but his voice still can be heard. Thanks for joining me this morning. Thank you, reverend al. Why do you think well never see another star like muhammad ali . I dont know if you can combine the athletic skill with how pretty he was, how charismatic he was, how much audacity he had, and then you add the civil rights component and the political activism. Todays athlete is simply too litt thrilled, too they have it too easy in order to be like a muhammad ali. Maybe if times changed, we might see athletes willing to step up, but right now theyre just too privileged. We once again are seeing some athletes from time to time. I know in my activism, some will still do something political. Is that part of alis legacy . That absolutely is part of alis legacy. It is the most important part. I think when you say the greatest, and the greatest of all time, you can argue he wasnt the greatest boxer of all time. He certainly would be in everybodys top three to five, but some people might prefer sugar ray robinson, some may prefer joe louis or someone else. But when you add everything that comes to being a sports figure, and being an icon, unquestionably no one can touch muhammad ali. You write about alis charisma and ability to command attention even in his later years. What struck you about that . What is really interesting to me, reverend al, im someone who is born in 78. I saw i was alive for his last four fights, three of which he lost because he held on to boxing too long. I have to go back and watch old videos and old footage to see what kind of athlete he was and to see the interviews with Howard Cosell and others to really understand the charisma. For me and people in my generation, our first real experience with ali will always be when he lit the olympic torch in 96 in atlanta. To see the tears in peoples eyes, to see the tears in my parents eyes and then to understand, you know, i was 18 at the time, and i thought i knew muhammad ali. And i said, you know, i need to go back and really need to understand exactly who he is, and to understand why that provoked people to tears. And i think that is where, you know, there is this divide between there is this bold guy who came on to the scene in his 20s. And then he had his opportunities to really express his view s on the world and the came the guy later in life, parkinsons took over, as he lost his voice, as people really started to understand and digest all that he had done, and his iconic status, just like it multiplied from year to year to year. Jerry brewer, thank you for your time and sharing with us this morning. Anytime. Ahead, we turn to a 2016 politics and a big day in the democratic primary with voting in puerto rico. Ill talk to sanders supporter actor danny glover. And later, more on muhammad ali and his Lasting Impact as an activist. Stay with us. . People miracles, people look for surprises of all kind, but the greatest wonder, the greatest miracle, the greatest surprise is to be found in ones heart. [ brakes screech ] when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops. Excuse me, try this. But just one aleve can last 12 hours. Tylenol and advil can quit after 6. [ cheering ] so live your whole day, not part. With 12 hour aleve. It takes a lot of work. But i really love it. S. Im on the move all day long. And sometimes, i just dont eat the way i should. So i drink boost® to get the nutrition that im missing. Boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. 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At the end of the nominating process, no candidate will have enough pledged delegates to call the campaign a victory. They will be dependent upon super delegates. In other words, the Democratic National convention will be a contested convention. Msnbcs tony decopo is live in san juan, puerto rico, where those delegates are up for grabs today. Tony, what do voters there want to see happen with the democratic ticket . Good morning, reverend al. So voters in puerto rico cannot vote for president directly there, excluded from the november election, but they can shape the outcome in the primary stage. They voted for marco rubio on the republican side back in march and today it is that crucial choice between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Voters are lining up behind us. The polls open ten minutes ago. Just before the polls open, we had election workers come in and verify that all the Voting Machines were working, completely in sync and no irregularities, but the Bernie Sanders camp is upset with the process here today because they noted a steep decline in the number of polling locations. Back in 2008, when it was obama v. Clinton, there were more than 2,000 locations for people to cast their vote. As of may University Last month, there were 1500 available, but slashed that down to about 430. Thats all about budgetary cuts, but the sanders people say this is a lot like arizona where there was a reduction, this is voter suppression, it will alter the outcome. Talking to voters here, it doesnt seem that is true. Hillary clinton has very strong support among the puerto rican people. She dominated in new york, dominated in florida, these are american states with the highest number of Puerto Ricans and her policies are also attractive not a clinton supporter there, but overall, her policies are attractive to a majority of Puerto Ricans. It would appear, on the debt question this is the key policy issue on the island now, the American Congress is depating whether to Bernie Sanders, complicated reasons having to do with his own opposition to big banks and Federal Reserve does not support that bailout, that rescue. And the details can get lost. As a result, the people here casting their ballot, they like clinton because shes the one that is going to save puerto rico. Tony in san juan, thank you so much this morning. Throughout the campaign, one of sanders most high profile supporters has been actor and activist danny glover. Wherever when he loe look at history for Bernie Sanders, we know hes been on the compass for justice. Let me give a special thanks to a good friend of mine and within of the great actors in our country, danny glover. Joining me now is danny glover. Thank you for being here this morning, danny. All right then. Thank you. First, lets ask the obvious question, why does sanders get your support instead of clinton. Well, first of all, Bernie Sanders has been on the right side of justice and the fight for justice his entire career. Ive had the opportunity to watch him engage people, and talk about the issues that affect them in everyday lives. And certainly his message is really a message that is time worn in terms of democracy, demos, ordinary people participating in their lives and using their lives as a platform to participate in politics as well. I think thats whats happening here. Were in the midst of an enormous transition, i believe, within the political system. A stagnant political system that only meets the needs of a few and now we have this Extraordinary Movement or challenge to that right now. And thats what that Bernie Sanders represents. He represents the message, not the personality. Sanders wins california, lets say, on tuesday. Should sanders go on, go all the way to the convention or should he try to unite and stop donald trump . I think it is important. There is 64 of those people polled under the age of 25 say sanders should stay until the end. The peoples voices here right now, it is obvious. Those who registered as democrats say that he should stay until the end and take it the convention. He has gotten we talk about the peoples say, hes gotten 3 million less votes. Let me ask you this, if she wins the nomination, whether he goes all the way or not, and it is Hillary Clinton against donald trump, will you support and vote for Hillary Clinton . Absolutely. Absolutely. Our objective is to defeat donald trump. But we believe the best chance of defeating donald trump is Bernie Sanders. Now, what do you say to those that say sanders is hurting Hillary Clinton . As Bernie Sanders popularity grows, it certainly draws a challenge to what is really happening and what are the real issues in this election. I think the part that Bernie Sanders plays in this, lets say it, is simply the message that he brings to the polation. And maybe that expectations of what we think governor ans should be and what our responsibility as those who are governed changes in this process as well. Let me ask you something that was interesting to me. Why hasnt Bernie Sanders resonated equally with africanamerican and latino voters including young voters. The Washington Post, look at this graph, the Washington Post did accumulation of voters, votes, not polls. When you look at the millennials, clinton gets 47 , sanders, 52 . Hes only 5 higher than the millennials and the young voters, 30 to 44, she gets 70 . He only gets 29. As you get older, even gets worse. Even among young black voters hes not resonating like other young voters. What do you think the reason is for that . Sanders has been in the race for a very short period of time. Most people say he should have gotten into the race earlier. But i think part of that is with familiarity. I think once you begin to hear the message that bernie brings to the table, the talk about participatory democracy and the way he talks about participatory democracy, we have another way of building consensus. This is more than just an election itself. This is for the soul of this country. How do you view donald trump . What goes through your mind when you watch donald trump . Donald trump is a very dangerous person. I mean, for this country. I mean, hes very dangerous. And make no mistake about his demagoguery, racial demagoguery, his attitude toward women, we have a supreme court, maybe as many as three justices will be chosen on this supreme court. So i think that donald trump is certainly someone that is very dangerous, i think that as i said before, the candidate i believe that has the best chance to defeat donald trump and the polls show that as well is Bernie Sanders. Well, thank you for being with us this morning. Danny glover, thank you for your time. Thank you. Youre welcome. Coming back, we will turn to muhammad ali, focusing on his impact outside of the ring. On culture and politics. Including his antiwar activism. Stay with us. Im terrible at golf. He is. But id like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. New patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. For the strength and energy to do what you love. New ensure enlive. Always be you. If you have afib not caused by a heart valve problem, pradaxa helps stop blood cells from pooling in the heart. Forming a clot. Which can travel to the brain and cause a stroke. 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