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we begin with breaking news. will there be charges for the cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old tamir rice? the local sheriff announced today his offense has finished its investigation into tamir's death. in a statement he said he conducted a, quote, extensive, author and unbiased investigation. it is now up to the prosecutor to determine how next to proceed. prosecutor tim mcginty has said he'll present the evidence to a grand jury, who will consider charges. tamir rice was shot and killed 193 days ago while holding an airsoft gun, which shoots plastic pellets. surveillance video shows police officer timothy loehmann shot tamir less than two seconds after arriving on the scene. two seconds. earlier this month, his mother said she's tired of waiting for answers. >> less than a second, my son is gone, and i want to know how long i got to wait for justice. >> today she may be a little closer. now let me bring in walter madison, attorney for the rice family. thank you for being here attorney madison. >> thank you for having me reverend sharpton. >> first of all, what is the family's reaction to today's news? >> it's bittersweet, reverend. you know it's symbolic of one phase going to the other. the investigative phase, which is a bit more transparent into the secretive phase of the prosecution and this grand jury process. so they cannot enter this second phase without acknowledging all of the families which they share the pain and position. and it can't help but walk away from that with a negative forecast. >> now, has the family been in touch with the sheriff or the prosecutor about the investigation? >> the sheriff office -- the sheriff himself, sheriff pinckney called today and provided a courtesy notice. and i did communicate that with the family. and i shared with him that they could expect an announcement of the conclusion of the investigation. grand jury, we're told. he has said he will do that with all police matters. but by law, he does not have to because he could go on and charge. it could have been a recommendation and there are some that speculate as you know, i was in cleveland friday. in fact saw you at the church service. and there are those that speculate there may be a long time, he took a long time on the last case. there are even some suggesting they don't want anything announced before the play-off games in cleveland next week. >> correct. and that's what the shroud of secrecy creates a petri dish for the speculation and the rumor. i don't know. i don't know if they're going to behave in all manners that are politically expedient, or they'll pussyfoot around with the investigation for other reasons. i don't know. but what i do know is that the focus and the attention ought to be on these components the inputs. one can't get anything out of a grand jury if it's not properly put in. and if you have garbage in more than likely you'll have garbage out. and that's what is so fresh in this family's mind and is so troubling. they're so heartbroken, but at the same time joyful because we know in this last decision with mr. brelo, well, the sentiment is more could have been presented to the grand jury by way of charge or indictment so that we didn't have to live with this bad outcome we got, which i'm speaking of the acquittal. >> now, i must say, and i say it -- i've said on the show before the dignity, the family and you and the other attorneys have shown firm that you want justice, but firm that you want no violence and no disruption. you want tamir rice to represent more than that. and again, i see even on today the same kind of resolve. >> absolutely. you know it's interesting how people view the commencement of violence. we share this thought that we didn't start this violence, you know. and we also shared a thought that this family didn't get in line to become victims. and it's just sad and somewhat offensive in many instances to say, or to -- for someone to infer that we want anything other than peace. tamir wanted to grow up pursue happiness, become a man have children. that's what he wanted. and that's peaceful. so yes, that's what we represent. but at the same time we will recognize violence for what it is. and that's exactly what was perpetrated on this young boy. >> walter madison, attorney for the tamir rice family, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> joining me now, former prosecutor and host of "judge faith," faith jenkins. and former federal prosecutor paul butler thank you. both for being here. >> sure thanks rev. >> faith, the case now with the prosecutor, he says he'll present it to a grand jury. how soon could we get a decision on charges? >> well it really depends on what prosecutor mcginty wants to do now in the case. he is going to review the report he received from the sheriff's office. that's a factual report. the sheriff's office say they did a detailed investigation. they presented the prosecutor with the fax. they make no conclusions about the case. they didn't recommend where the charges or no charges should be brought against these officers. they merely presented the prosecutor with a case. so is he going to want more investigation? is he going to want to do his own investigation, or is he going to want to go straight to the grand jury. you can understand why, though the family feels this frustration, given the lengthy time of this investigation when you have such explicit surveillance footage, and the officer who pulled the trigger has such a troubling background with the prior police department that he was involved with. >> paul, what kind of charges are likely in your opinion? >> you know, this is not a complicated case in terms of an investigation. so the real question is going to be whether this prosecutor has the courage to go where the evidence leads, or like marilyn mosby dead in baltimore, or like staten island and ferguson and use the grand jury to provide political cover not to bring charges. because when you look at that video, as a prosecutor i see crimes by those officers. even a rookie cop knows when you get a radio run for a suspect with a gun, you don't roll up on him, guns blazing and shoot as soon as you see him. you communicate. you protect yourself. so when the officers fail to do that that's negligent homicide at minimum. >> that's why the length of time is quite puzzling as you referred to the length of time judge faith. the prosecutor handling the tamir rice case i might add, also led the michael brelo prosecution. >> right. >> brelo was a police officer acquitted of manslaughter last month for shooting two unarmed african americans. but that case took a long time. the shooting was in november of 2012. the investigation was turned over to the prosecutor in february of 2013. and the charges weren't brought until may of 2014 over a year later. >> right. >> compare that to tamir rice. >> well, there is no video. >> it took six months for prosecutor to get the investigation. and no word when he'll find fought there are charges. this is the same prosecutor. is the family right to have confidence in him or not? >> i would -- and there is no video in that case. in this case -- >> in the brelo case there was no video. >> right. in the brelo case. many this case it's on video. and when the officers pulled up and by the time tamir rice is down on the ground you're talking about a few seconds. so you're analyzing literally seconds of behavior and conduct with a police officer who has a very troubling personnel record from his prior police department, from his prior supervisors. so you're analyzing the judgment call a police officer made. and we already know this officer's judgment had been called into question by prior police department. so in my opinion, it's sort of a no-brainer here when you look at the video. and the facts that were initially released by the way about what happened in the case about how they call it out to tamir rice. they didn't know his name at the time but they called out to him. they said three times put the gun down. and then we get the video and we know that's not possible that that happened because he was shot within two seconds of the officers pulling up. >> you know we've seen cases, major cases of people killed by police going to grand juries. in the michael brown case and the eric garner case, the grand juries did not bring charges. and here we are waiting to the see, paul, what happens here. but in the case of freddie gray a baltimore grand jury did indict the six officers even after the prosecutor had already charged. they did bring charges. does the rice family have reason to trust the grand jury process, paul? >> the grand jury, yes, reverend. the prosecutor? that remains to be seen. look, i've been before grand juries hundreds of times. the prosecutor is the legal adviser. the defense attorney isn't in the room. the grand jury basically does what the prosecutor wants it to do. so if there is not an indictment in this case don't blame the grand jury. blame timothy mcginty, the prosecutor in cleveland. >> well you know a judge in new york used to say you could indict a ham sandwich if you wanted to. but the reverse is true. you could not indict him if you don't want to. but the fact that it took four minutes, judge faith, four minutes to get medical attention after they shot him, will that factor in? >> oh absolutely. and the decision overall absolutely. that's a factor. a fundamental principle of policing is once the threat has been removed, right, tamir rice has been shot, he is down on to the ground, they have a duty. these officers have an ethical obligation to render first aid. and that was not done here. it's very troubling that four minutes went by. this officer never rendered first aid. and then other officers came in and did that after the fact that is a factor that the prosecutor should consider when bringing charges in this case. the totality of the circumstances of the way tamir rice was treated when these officers pulled up. he wasn't given a chance. he wasn't given a warning. they didn't investigate. they didn't follow basic police procedure, which is try to communicate with the person involved. he was shot and killed almost immediately, and then aid was not rendered. >> faith jenkins and paul butler, thank you both for your time tonight. >> it's great to be here. >> thank you. straight ahead, breaking news tonight on that terror investigation in boston. an alleged beheading plot, and a plan to kill police officers. also tonight, hillary clinton and the fight for voting rights. she's about to give a big speech on an issue she has been passionate about for years. plus, the fight for a living wage. los angeles takes a major step forward. and now the minimum wage fight goes to st. louis. we're live in st. louis. and it sounds like a joke setup. rick santorum science, and the pope. it will make sense in our gotcha tonight. stay with us. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. the only thing left to fear is you imagination. nissan. innovation that excites. breaking news the season. former rhode island governor lincoln chafee has officially entered the democratic race for president. making his announcement at george mason university. >> as prescribed by our constitution, which george mason helped write, we will be electing a new president in 2016. i enjoy challenges, and certainly we have many facing america. today i'm formally entering the race for the democratic nomination for president. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> chafee joins hillary clinton, bernie sanders and martin o'malley in the democratic primary. we're looking forward to a healthy debate. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder farther quicker and yeah even on sundays. what's next? we'll show you. this allergy season, will you be a sound sleeper, or a mouth breather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. we're following breaking news on the terror threat here at home. chilling details emerging about the alleged terror plot in boston disrupted when officers shot and killed the suspect yesterday. according to the fbi complaint, the suspect conspired with two others planning on beheading a victim before switching gears with a new plan to go after the boys in blue. an apparent reference to police officers. those details revealed as a man is arrested in connection to the plot. he appeared in court today. counterterrorism today also searched a home in rhode island. the fbi documents shared light on the surveillance plate including phone recordings. today the police commissioner talked about the threat. >> our officers went out there to only question the individual because the level of our concern rose to the level that we needed to question him. we thought the threat was severe enough that we had to approach him. >> officials say the suspect was radicalized by isis through social media. it's a pattern we've seen from the hatchet attack in new york city last year to the attack in garland, texas last month. and now the apparent beheading plot in boston. joining me now is malcolm nance, who spent over three decades in u.s. counterterrorism agents and al a counterterrorism expert. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> malcolm, we're hearing about an alleged beheading plot. what do you make of that? >> this is an interesting plot, reverend because it is almost identical and almost two years to the day of a plot which occurred in england in an area called woolrich in london where two radicalized british citizens beheaded a british army soldier named lee rigby in the middle of the streets with a machete and a butcher knife, and then bragged about it on horrible media in front of people with telephones and then stood there until armed police came and shot them to death. it's quite possible this is the exact type of attack they wanted to carry out. >> what do you make of these beheadings and the sequence that connects back to the beheading in the uk or do you make the same connection? >> as mr. nance just said two years ago, we've seen it in england. but last december 2014 we saw a similar plot where the australian federal police arrested 15 individuals by raiding 12 locations in australia, arresting a whole bunch of individuals who were accused, again, of trying to carry out public beheadings in the streets of australia. >> officials say the suspect was radicalized by isis-inspired social media. how vast is in america? >> becoming a true problem. we are very much sometimes detached from what is going on in realities in the middle east north africa. but isis utelization, sophisticated utilization whether it's centralized media or supporters has brought its propaganda permanently to our homes and schools and colleges and universities. so we have to be absolutely concerned about this kind of cancer infesting this society. and obviously we're seeing the signs of it right now. >> malcolm, how aggressive has the tracking become in the united states? >> well tracking became very aggressive after 9/11. but just look agent this particular instance here. this isn't so much an example of the patriot act you know, allowing us to go down and target these individuals. once you communicate with someone who is in a terrorist group overseas you become a national security target. and that information can lead to a secret indictment or a secret ruling that allows the fbi and other supporting intelligence agencies to bring in enormous amount of resources down on you. 24/7 surveillance cell phone surveillance and all of that can determine whether they are going to disrupt your plot by interviewing you, or actually arresting you with armed intervention. in this case it was a disruption by intervention, by interview. but the man apparently pulled out a weapon and forced them to take armed action against him. >> you know laith, the fbi documents refer to the evidence obtained through surveillance including records obtained from amazon.com, text messages, conversations that were recorded. what is your take on that? and how does it relate to the big debate over surveillance that is going on in washington presently? >> look, there is no smoke without fire. in this case they conducted surveillance that was targeted surveillance. meaning they zoomed in on a specific group of individuals. they zoom in on a specific individual. and they track that surveillance for many weeks before they could approach that individual. so they took very much proactive measures in order to prevent what they believed was an imminent threat. in the grand scheme of things some of the opponents of the surveillance program might have to take a step back and look at this case as a successful case of conducting targeted surveillance. >> malcolm, what about the knife that the suspect was allegedly wielding? it was referred to as a military knife. what can you tell us about it? >> well it was a military knife. it was an ontario knife, copy of a k-bar, combat fighting knife what the marines use. you know, there is a lot of speculation that they took this knife because it was very similar to the type of bayonet that isis uses and all of that. they could have used a kitchen knife. it doesn't matter. what is really important here is the intent and the heart of the people who wanted to carry out this attack. and due to their radicalization they are following the playbook which has been -- this has been going on since 1988 when al qaeda inspired these types of attacks throughout the world. but now it's just extremely popular through the advent of modern social media. and so you know you can expect these types of attacks. they could happen with a hammer. but this the united states it's quite surprising that they didn't go to a firearm. and this is something we need to consider, you know when considering our laws. >> how do we contain it laith, or can we contain it? >> we actually can't. if we get a contained isis propaganda have to contain social media itself as long as you have very tech savvy, very prolific very educated a here rants around the world spreading its propaganda and making sure it never disappears online we're going have radical individuals who are going to be self-radicalizing through this propaganda. so it's a big, big problem. what we can do is have certain communities offer a counter narrative, deradicalization program that would offer a much different ideology than isis something that is a lot more peaceful, something that is a lot more attractive. isis is giving people a sense of belonging, a sense of purpose. come here you don't have to fight. but you can be part of our community ball. lot of those individuals are completely disenfranchised. if they don't have jobs they don't have a purpose, they might very well be in that trap. so we might as well focus on those individuals. >> malcolm nance and lait lait alkhouri thank you. still ahead, how democrats are making votes rights a central issue in 2016. a big speech tomorrow from hillary clinton. but first, holy smoke it's rich santorum versus the pope in tonight's gotcha. it's so shiny. i know, mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. if you want beautiful results, you know where to go - angie's list. now everyone can get highly rated service even without a membership. you can shop special offers or just tell us what you need and we'll help you find a local company to take care of it. angie's list is there for all your projects, big and small. pretty. come see what the new angie's list can do for you. there are some things you just count on like clean drinking water. but today, one in three americans can't be sure their drinking water is safe from pollution. the clean water rule wll protect the streams and wetlands that feed into the drinking water supplies of 117 million americans. tell congress: support the clean water rule. we deserve to know that all our children's drinking water is safe. i like my seafood like i like my vacations: tropical. and during red lobster's island escape, three new tropical dishes take me straight to the islands. so i'm diving fork-first into the lobster and shrimp in paradise, with panko-crusted lobster tail and jumbo shrimp in captain morgan barbecue glaze. or the ultimate island seafood feast, with tender crab wood-grilled lobster and two island-inspired flavors of jumbo shrimp. because a summer without tropical flavors might as well be winter. this escape is too good to miss so...don't. amid the talk of climate change instantly triggers this response. >> if climate change is a problem, and do you believe it is or not? 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>> well certainly, one, because a lot of people are mindful of the restrictions on the access to voting in plenty of states. but also because the people secretary clinton listed there, people of color and young people who are being denied the franchise and restricted from voting they are two of the pillars of really the democratic coalition, which is why you have republican governors and republican legislatures trying to limit their ability to vote. politically, it's a brilliant thing that hillary clinton is doing. but also, from patriotically, it is the right thing to do. i mean it's one person one vote in this country. everyone should have the right to vote. everyone it should be a bipartisan issue. but clearly it isn't. >> it is a nonpartisan issue. barbara, you and i and many in the civil rights community helped to really make this an issue, not the politicians. >> that's correct. >> 2012 and going forward. and i note that late last month, mrs. clinton talked about restoring voting rights to felons. listen to this. >> community because of where they live because maybe they did make a mistake, and they don't get their voting rights back, which i totally disagree with. i think if you've done your time, so to speak, and you've made your commitment to go forward, you should be able to vote, and you should be able to be judged on the same basis. you ought to get a second chance. >> now, this ties in with a call for criminal justice reform as well. how will democratic voters react to these calls? >> i think that people period democrats and republicans and independents all will welcome this. because as you said every politician should have this as a centerpiece of their platform. that is making sure that every american is able to vote american citizen is able to vote unfettered that it's without any restrictions. we are a nation that has been flooded with these voter suppression laws over the last five years, and we have seen voter id laws that knock people out from voting that makes it hard to vote. we've seen people now cutting early voting. think about it. a third of the states in the united states have no early voting whatsoever. >> right. >> and then we have the -- >> states that formally had them. >> and we've also seen states getting rid of it and cutting it back significantly and getting rid of what we call souls to the polls sundays because they don't want blacks and latinos voting on sundays. we've seen all these restrictions that are just designed to knock voters out. citizenship laws to go after people who are new citizens just a lot of -- >> and these are happening in largely swing states as well. >> oh, no doubt about it. >> and jonathan as i said to barbara, many of us were involved on the ground helping to make this issue. but to be fair in 2005 senator hillary clinton introduced the count every vote act. it would have made election day a public holiday, set up early voting and same-day voter registration nationwide require states take steps to reduce wait time for voting, and allow ex-felons to vote. a decade later, is this still a model for voting reform jonathan? >> yes. i'm listening to you rattle off the provisions in that legislation, and those are all things that they make sense. it's common sense. and it would provide american citizens with the unfettered access to the ballot box so that they can exercise their franchise and be a part of the american family of being a part of the process of electing people to the building behind me and to the white house who make the laws that affect their lives. it's a very common sense thing. i wonder if maybe not this congress, probably not by the end of this administration but maybe in the next administration, congress can take this up. it's again, it's a nonpartisan issue. it is the right thing to do to allow every american who is eligible to vote get -- allow them to have the right to exercise that vote. >> and it is not only nonpartisan, you would think that everyone barbara arnwein would be wanting to see people vote. when we saw the lines that we saw in 2012 and even -- >> '14. >> '14, the voters most likely to be disenfranchised by voter id laws and restrictive voting were instrumental in getting president obama re-elected in 2012. 93% of black voters 71% of latino voters, 60% of young voters aged 18 to 29 voted for the president. these are the people who anti-voting laws are trying to block now. how important will their votes be in 2016? >> they'll be divisive. think about this. 20 million people early voted in 2014, even with a low turnout. that shows you the criticality of early voting. and i'm so glad that in tomorrow's statement and comments that candidate hillary clinton will be pushing for early voting. all throughout to be mandatory, uniform throughout the entire united states. but also it's very, very important for people to understand that every single vote has to count. and that you have to look at your state legislature. and if they're engaging in trying to put these voter suppression laws into place, you got to fight it. and we are here to help you fight it the election protection coalition does that work. the lawyers candidate, ldf. so many of us are on the front line of this battle. >> well thank god. and we've got to do that to protect the american voters. we'll be watching and covering that speech by mrs. clinton tomorrow. jonathan capehart and barbara arnwein, thanks for your time this evening. >> thank you very much. now to alabama, where today the senate passed a resolution renaming the edmund pettus bridge. its new name, the journey to freedom bridge. originally named after a former member of the kkk, the bridge became a civil rights landmark the site of bloody sunday in 1965 where protesters marched across peacefully and were met by violent police force. earlier this year we commemorated the 50th anniversary of the marchers in selma. i joined president obama, other civil rights leaders, and thousands to remember those fighting for civil rights. the resolution now heads for a vote in the alabama house before it can be signed by the governor. coming up a historic day in the fight to raise the minimum wage in los angeles, and now the fight is going to st. louis. and later jimmy fallon weighs the pros and the cons of a donald trump presidential run. can a business have a mind? 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>> well, i think just as you mentioned, an american working full-time should not have to live below the poverty line. and in the state of missouri our minimum wage is currently at $7.65 an hour. that for someone working fulltime is less than $16,000 a year. a single individual living in the state of missouri and the city of st. louis cannot support themselves on $7.65 an hour. and to that extent, those are poverty wages. we're essentially working people into poverty and allowing them to basically work for slave wages. and it's unacceptable. it's completely intolerable. i've been very displeased with the lack of action on our federal government and state government around these issues that are impacting americans across the board. >> shane, you're up against the clock even there because the st. louis dispatch reports, quote, the board may have a deadline looming. the missouri legislature passed a bill to bar cities from raising the minimum wage higher than the state level. it would take effect by august 28th. so if the governor signs this you would have to pass it by august 28th. what are you doing to move this along, shane? >> so the bill is being introduced this friday, and then it will be assigned to a committee. the committees -- i would hope that the chairwoman after the committee would allow the opportunity pour the public to provide their input on the legislation. and we'll probably have multiple public hearings in regards to the matter. but, you know, i think that we do have plenty of time before we go down for legislative recess in july to allow for the public comment to happen and pass out a bill that reflects the values of the citizens of the city of st. louis. >> i want to go back to something the president mentioned, shane. the poverty line for family of four is roughly $22,000 a year. but someone making the federal minimum wage only brings in about $15,000 a year. the issue is always a political debate. but when you see this how can anyone go against it? >> that's a great question. you know i think the discussion and the conversations that i'm having right now, the folks who are opposed to it are really concerned about how this drives business decisions and also what it would do for the economy. my response has been we live in a consumer-driven economy. and when consumers have more money to spend, that only benefits businesses in that economy. and helps it to grow. the other contention that folks have is that by giving or raising the minimum wage giving americans a raise, it improves the likelihood and chances of inflation growing. you know there has been three raises to the federal minimum wage in the last 30 years. if you look at inflation, there has not been any type of exponential jump in relation to those changes in the minimum wage over the last 30 years. and in fact inflation occurs even when there isn't a jump in the minimum wage. so at this point in time we've had inaction for 30 years, basically, and it's time to give americans a raise. >> it is definitely time to give americans a raise. i can not understand how we can claim to love america and not sure that americans can take care of their families. >> i agree. >> you can't love america and not love the americans living here. >> absolutely. >> shane cohen, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me. and now let's correct the record. last week we told you about a texas bill that requires anyone who bought coverage through the obamacare exchange to have the label qhp on their insurance card. we also said that the letter s would be put on cards for anyone who received a subsidy. but it turned out the bill was amended to eliminate that special designation for subsidized health plans before it passed the texas senate. the bill does still include the other label. we regret the error. ugh! heartburn! did someone say burn? 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