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>>ies that brianna matthews talking about the shooting that killed her father michael and injured four others. >> it happened at about 8:00 last night at 70th and justine, a gathering for a family celebrating a prom turned to tragedy. 4-year-old jassely johnson was with relatives at this party when she and her teenage cousin were gunned down while sitting in a car. >> each of these stories is tragic and we need everyone residents, community leaders, lawmakers and police to work together on solutions. this morning in baltimore the mayor said she's heartbroken by the violence, but the city will recover. >> i'm confident that this challenge is not insurmountable? is it difficult? absolutely. is it challenging us in ways that you know previously that were unimaginable? absolutely, but we will become a safer city and we're going to do it in the right way in partnership between the community and the police. >> it's exactly what's needed a partnership between police and the community and addressing the root causes of violence part of a cycle of poverty and hopelessness. so often we hear conservatives claim no one is talking about violence within the community. it's completely untrue but those same conservatives don't want to address the underlying issues, improving education for our young people supporting jobs programs tightening gun control and reforming our criminal justice system. if you want to end the violence in american cities you have to talk about these issues as well and these are exactly the issues ignored by too many on the right. joining me now from baltimore is councilman brandon scott. here in cleveland the reverend colvin and in chicago cook county commissioner roichd boyntonpoint boynton. thank you all for being here. >> thank you very much. >> councilman scott, let me go to you first. 38 people killed in baltimore this month. how does the city fight this? >> we have to fight it in several ways from a community standpoint. for me we've been calling on co-founder of the 300-man march movement. calling for more men to get involved especially in the lives of our young people and communities, have to fight to repair the relationship between our police and communities, have to fight it from a lawmaking standpoint and by creating jobs and opportunity but at the end. day one of the big things we do not talk about it we have to talk about it from a self-responsibility and a community responsibility standpoint that people in our communities have to want to better themselves. >> finding ways to better themselves. reverend colvin you've done a lot to combat gun violence in cleveland. what do community leaders need to do? i know your work here. i know the 300 men that the councilman talks about in baltimore. a lot of community groups not getting the attention. what works and what do community leaders need to do? >> well, first thing, rev, i think that we need to begin to look at violence in a very broad sense. we talk about the violence that's taking place in our streets, but we also need to begin to understand violence about the violence that people deal with systematically each and every day. so much what have we see in our community in terms of the crime and the depravity and some of the hostilities that we see are really borne out of hopelessness and fear that people will not be able to rise out of their circumstances. we talk about violence. we've got to talk about the violence of the de-funding of public education. we've got to talk about the violence of the corporate robbing of people of their mortgages that left communities like sand town and neighboring communities here in cleveland, really deprived and stole millions of dollars of wealth out of our cities and our urban core which were already needed and in the midst of that while we fight for individual institutional justice, when we think about individual justice for those families that are struggling with losses due to violence that they experience every day. the personal tragedies and so for all of us whether we're serving in city councils whether we're serving in churches we've got to begin to look at violence in a very total and comprehensive way because when we do that we realize that there are root causes to some of the individual acts that we see and many of them are institutional. >> commissioner, i'm sorry, commissioner boynton, gun violence. >> how are you, reverend? >> to stop in chicago. we've had a lot of issues. i even moved into an apartment on the west side. we worked with our group there and around the country. you're pushing tougher penalties and more policing but you also call for jobs training and parenting workshops. why are those things important? >> look we've had 900 people shot since january in chicago. we've had over 162 people. just last night we had a 2-year-old shot. there are too many of our babies that are being shot. individuals who ought to be focusing on education but they can't focus on education because they are traumatized. they have been terrorized in their own community. we have to put an end to this violence. we're facing what i consider a state of emergency. this is the most pressing issue confronting elected officials right now in the city of chicago and the county of cook. we must deal with this violence or this violence will deal with us. there's no greater issue than making sure that our young people can live the american dream of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and grow up in neighborhoods where they can walk down the streets feeling that they are safe. grandmothers are being shot. just being on their porch. i mean people are going down the streets just shooting aimlessly out of cars. this kind of behavior is unacceptable. you know we protest and we march whenever a white police officer shoots somebody african-american. we've got to be just as outraged whenever somebody african-american kills another african-american. the reality of it is that we must put an toned this violence. this is unacceptable. it's unconscionable in a safe america. this is -- this is terrorism being perpetrated on communities of color. >> councilman scott, on the commission's point, you know the latest homicide victims in baltimore are a another and her 7-year-old son. let me play part of that story. >> reporter: the news was too much take for the godfather of the 7-year-old boy who police say was shot in the head and killed in his southwest baltimore home. police say the same thing happened to his mother. family members tell us the victims are 31-year-old jennifer jeffrey brown and her son kester brown iii. >> councilman you're very familiar with this case. how is it affecting the community? >> well young kester is a student i had the pleasure of meeting, going to baltimore national academy. he was in language immersion and her entire community is heartbroken, and we cannot have cowards and the people that are lowest on the earth going around killing our babies. as i said everybody, everybody that calls himself a human, everyone who calls himself a man in our town should be hunting down information and hunting down this individual so we can bring him to justice because this is the kind of thing we cannot accept and this kind of violence is unacceptable. it's unacceptable when you kill anyone, but when you're taking out women and babies then it's time for us to say enough is enough, and people are still going to cower in their homes, particularly men in their communities are going to cower in their home and go on facebook and social media and say that's messed up. that's not enough. we need to get off our butts and do something because we cannot stand by and let these cowards kill our babies in our community. >> you know reverend colvin the commissioner said we must show the same outrage questioning police as when there's gunshots and killings of blacks on blacks. do i that and do i that with my organization. in fact just this week in cleveland the justice department agreed to reforms to the police department. you are having a big rally and i'm speaking for you tonight at your church. when you look at these reforms, how are these steps and what do you think these steps could to to help drive down crime as well as holding police accountable? >> well rev, you're absolutely right. it is a step. we know that policing is the first doorstep into the entire criminal justice system. what's important to this consent decree, and i've not had the opportunity to read it in its entirety, but i have an overview of it but it's aimed to bridge a relationship between the police and the community. we have seen in so many cities that those relationships between law enforcement and the community has been severed. as a result of that many neighbors and the many members of the community don't feel comfortable with sharing what law enforcement and participating in the crime-solving endeavor. and as a result of that there's this gap. there is this chasm. there is a distance between law enforcement and those who they have a oath to serve and as a result of that we see cases in which crimes are going unsolved because people have a fear of working with law enforcement because of their own experiences, because of what they have seen with respect to their family and in our stores, our barber shops and beauty shops. critical to any reform is not only going to be us a pointed out policies and procedures that limit the excessive use of force, but it's going to be making sure that the new policing that we see in our community bridges the gap because we have got to change the culture within our force so we can change the culture in the relationship between law enforcement and the community, and when we address that which is decades long it did not begin with cleveland. it did not begin in ferguson. it did not begin in baltimore. this is a decades long challenge between relationship between law enforcement and the urban core particularly the african-american community so critical is going to be community policing. it's going to be come out of the squad cars. it's going to be sitting down with neighborhood residents, viewing them as members of a community and a civil society and working together and rebuilding a trust that has been broken and as a result of that we now see increases in violence and increases in unsolved crimes as we're seeing this crime wave going throughout many of our urban neighborhoods and cities. >> commissioner boykin building the trust as we show that we will not tolerate in many of our endeavors, police not being accountable. don't we also have to show we will not tolerate this kind of reckless violence and killing in our own community and stand up to those that behave and engage in that kind of activity? don't we have to change that culture as well? >> there's no question about it reverend. the reality of it though is that too many of our citizens are being terrorized by a small group of individuals. they are small but determined to terrorize 95% of the community, and so people are unwilling to come forward when they see something. when they see a crime or a murder committed right in front of them people are unwilling to come forward because they are scared. they are terrorized in their own community so part of my seven-point plan is to curb violence is charging individuals who are pulling the trigger and co-conspirators with domestic terrorism. there is nothing different than an individual american citizen who joins al qaeda or isis and their stated goal is to kill americans and destabilize america or an individual who joins a gang, and that organization's goal is to control and coerce certain blocks in a neighborhood by any means necessary. we must not tolerate this. let me tell you. america will not be destroyed by isis or by al qaeda. america will be destroyed from within if it's to be destroyed. rome was not destroyed by an extension threat. it was destroyed from within and so this is a terrorist act that these individuals are doing. it's a small but determined group of individuals. we must get ahold of it and we have to do it and we have to do it now. we have to use everything that we have. i've called for a joint summit of county and city leaders on june 13th. let's come up with a plan that everybody can agree upon. i put together this seven-point plan. the community has bought into it. i think it's a great holistic plan that we can get it done if everybody has the collective will to do it. >> and we must start rebuilding trust and accountability on all sides. this is a huge discussion. we will continue to have it here as we have in the past and we must go forward and build that trust, and we must change the culture on all sides of this. councilman scott and commissioner boykin reverend colvin, see you in about an hour and thank you for being on time and joining in this discussion tonight. >> thank you very much, reverend. ahead, we'll go live to phoenix where bikers potentially armed with guns are gathering outside a mosque for a protest many say is dangerous and anti-muslim. also new details about the dennis hastert indictment. what the feds say about why the former house speaker was allegedly trying to pay out millions of dollars. plus the man once seen as the face of the wall street crisis is now talking like elizabeth warren and outrage over a new reality show that some say exploits the poor. two deserving families are about to receive a briefcase with $101,000 inside. >> you can keep all of the money. >> you can keep some of the money. >> or you can give it all away. >> what they don't know is that both families have been given a briefcase and are deciding whether to share any money with each other. excellent looking below the surface, researching a hunch... and making a decision you are type e*. time for a change of menu. briefcase and are deciding whether to share any money with each other. with e*trade's browser trading. e*trade. opportunity is everywhere. bring us your aching... and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested and ready to enjoy the morning ahead. aleve pm. the first to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last until the am. so you... you... and you can be a morning person again. aleve pm for a better am. now available with an easy open cap. female announcer: through sunday it's posturepedic vs. beautyrest with up to $400 off. serta icomfort and tempur-pedic go head-to-head with three years interest-free financing. mattress price wars ends sunday at sleep train. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ e breaking news tonight on the indictment of former house speaker dennis hastert on federal banking charges. a federal law enforcement source tells nbc news hastert paid a man to conceal a sexual relationship they had while the man was a student at the high school where hastert taught. hastert taught and coached wrestling in yorkville, illinois, from 1965 to 1981. representatives for hastert have not returned requests for comment from nbc news. tonight the news hastert paid a man to conceal a sexual relationship, according to sources. put your hand over your heart. is it beating? 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what do we expect tonight? >> reporter: well, if they were hoping to get attention with this rally, that certainly has been accomplished. a great deal of media here outside the mosque where the two men who were involved in the shooting in texas and ultimately were shot by police there, where they worshipped hoe it's not clear that they had been attending here for quite some time there is quite a bit of local media around here as well. the street closed off going in here, but we'll see what happens so everyone is sort of bracing themselves hoping for the best and preparing for the worst as this rally is a few hours away. >> scott cohn thank you for your reporting tonight. a phoenix tv station interviewed the organizer about this event about whether he thought it was hateful. listen. >> i don't condone any threats being made to the mosque. >> reporter: but his rhetoric is hateful. supporters wear profane t-shirts >> the t-shirt, "f" islam. most people will look at that and say that's hate. >> i'm a marine and far from politically correct. i'm outspoken, and i've just had it. >> it's not about being politically correct. it's about giving the kind of language and giving the kind of statements that say that all of one religion is something and to condemn them for being believers in that religion. joining me now is emron sediqqi, the chair on the council of american islamic relations in arizona. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what's your reaction when you hear that kind of hate? >> there's no place for that in american society. every single person has the freedom to practice their religion and this type of rhetoric is indicative you know of islam foebia prevalent in a modern day society and intersecting with the gun culture and people are coming together and using this violent rhett rigig rick you know come outside of our mosques. >> this is a day of prayer in islam, and what are your thoughts about this event on a day of prayer when people gather to pray on a weekly basis on friday in mosque and are told to exercise their second amendment right which is tantamount to saying bring arms. >> yeah. there's women and children and, you know families that attend this mosque on a weekly basis so as a father of three children i can only imagine if i was bringing my kids to my mosque and i saw people, you know standing outside with you know they are -- they are going to be selling t-shirts that actually say "f" islam on them and they will be packing weapons. imagine how that's going to scar children for life if they see this. i can remember things that people said to me when i was in middle school for example and, you know those things left an impression with me for riff. imagine if a kid sees an armed protester saying these things about your religion. that's going to really you know, cause a lot of trauma in their lifetime. >> let me again, you're saying they are saying they are going to wear t-shirts saying "f" islam. i know how i would feel if someone was standing in front of a church i was speaking at sunday saying "f" christianity or "f" the baptists. they are literally standing in front of the temple where people pray on their day of prayer saying "f" islam on t-shirts? >> right, exactly. not only that imagine this being any other religion that was being target. imagine that this was a church or a synagogue that was surrounded or a hindu temple this. would not be tolerated in modern day society. however, it seems as though anti-islam sentiment is almost acceptable in modern day society and these types of voices are hiding under the guise of free speech in order to -- to espouse these negative views. yeah, i mean they are going to be selling these "f" islam shirts and on the facebook page as well they made postings saying make sure the ammo that you bring are dipped in pig's blood or big fat alluding to the fact that muslims don't eat pork and they stay away from pork. >> wow. >> almost though muslims are some type of vampire or something like that. >> imraan sidiggi, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me reverend. >> coming up the elizabeth warren effect. we talked about how she impacts hillary clinton, but you might be surprised what a wall street ceo and what he's saying. and what is it with republicans and animated movies? 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it's called a movie, and in reality one of america's former business leaders who was vilified for his bank's role in the financial crisis is speaking out about income inequality. >> i know you don't want to hear this with me but the wealthy are getting wealthier, and, again, the belly of america is getting hurt. why do i talk about this? look, i'm a hard core capitalist. let's be fair. capitalism only works though if it starts on the top and filters down. if it doesn't get down, we're going to lose. >> now i don't agree with this trickle down idea but the former lehman brothers ceo is talking about income inequality and that is progress. it's the same language we're hearing from some top 2016 gop candidates who are sounding more like someone else i know these days. >> the only way we get change is when enough people in this country say i'm mad as hell and i'm fed up and i'm not going to do this anymore. are you not going to go back and represent me in washington, d.c. if you are not willing to pass a meaningful infrastructure bill if are you not willing to refinance student loan interest rates and stop dragging in billions of dollars in profits off of backs of kids who otherwise can't afford to go to college, if you don't say you're going to find the nih and nisf because that is our future. >> there is a shift happening in this country on the issue of fairness, and it's not a movie, it's real and there are big questions about what it means for 2016 and beyond. joining me now is ryan grimm, washington bureau chief for "the huffington post." he's written about senator ron johnson's comments about "the lego movie" and salon.com's joan walsh. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> ryan i'm going to get to senator johnson's lego comments in a moment but, first, dick fuld whose firm was at the center of the financial crisis. he's talking about income inequality. are we seeing a shift here? >> yeah i think he sees some of what's going on and he wants to kind of you know embrace a little bit of that as he's trying to kind of make a resurrection. you know at the same time i'm sure he's gone through a lot of kind, you know psychological suffering over the last couple of years as he was toppled from his perch as one of the top capitalists in the world. you know and going through that probably helps him find a little bit of empathy for people who people he otherwise simply wouldn't have seen in his previous life. and i think one thing is probably is right. i agree with you on trickle down. if it stays all at the top, you know, they are going to lose. you know rks people have seen all the kwans in the recovery go to the very top and that's why you're seeing all of this frustration that's being channeled into the minimum wage movement and other efforts around inequality. >> joan are we seeing a shift, major corporations moving on minimum wage? we're hearing some republicans even talking about income inequality? are we seeing a shift? >> i think we're seeing some improvement, reverend al and i think we're seeing a really a adoption of a certain kind of rhetoric, but what we mainly see from the republican party especially is this -- this sense that president barack obama invented income inequality and it wasn't a problem before he came along and we're going to lay it at the feet of democrats. ryan talks about the gains of the recovery going to the top 1% really. a trend going on as we've seen productivity jump over the years. all of the gains of the economy or 90% of the gains are going to that top 1% or 2%. that's very different from what happened in the post-war period and that's what really need to change so a lot of republicans are talking the talk on income inequality, but then their solutions are the exact same things that haven't worked tax cuts are going to create jobs. we're going to demonize welfare recipients and tell them they can't have ketchup. in wisconsin they don't want people to buy ketchup with food stamps. remember when ketchup was a vegetable. the rhetoric has gotten worse. the solutions aren't there but they are at least admitting that there is a problem so at least that is progress. >> ryan you know rick santorum launched his campaign this week with a populist economic message. "the wall street journal" writes, and i'm quoting, rick santorum's entry to the expanding field of 2016 gop presidential candidates offers the latest example of republicans looking to broaden their appeal to an electoral facing unease over stagnant living standards for millions of middle class americans. can republicans successfully tap into this issue in 2016 ryan? >> you know in a way they -- you know there's a long history of kind of conservative or right wing populism, you know that often comes with kind of jenningsist ist gingoistic or national fervor behind it and for the last 20 years plus they have tapped into that frustration but only with the white southern working class. they have said, look, these other people are out to get your jobs whether it's african-americans or whether it's -- whether it's immigrants, you know sneaking across the border to push down wages. the kind of pat buchanan of the party has in the past tapped into this energy and it looks like, you know rick santorum is going for something a little bit similar there. >> joan you're writing about the country's shift to the left but you warn that some democrats don't get it. quote, a dumb argument that obama has dragged his party too far left would be laughable, except some dems believe it, too. why are some democrats afraid of a move to the left? >> i think there are a lot democrats, just like republicans, who are kind of stuck in the '0s and '90s and think that you know bill clinton, that the op-ed i was writing about was a republican and we see democrats saying this, too. bill clinton's solutions, getting tough on crime, again, welfare reform demonizing welfare recipients and cutting their benefits that this is the way forward for the democrats, but the thing is it's extremely backward looking and even former president clinton himself has said, yes, my policies real delead to mass incarceration, that's a problem. yes, income inequality has accelerated and we need new solutions. he's not looking backwith regards. secretary clinton is not looking backward but you have democrats and lots of republicans who are stuck in the framing of the late '80s and the reagan revolution so to speak. >> ryan what do you think of this attacking "the lego movie? ". >> right. i think -- so you know i wrote a very short piece about this and i probably spent 20 minutes or half an hour on it and shortly after that senator ron johnson posted a long blog post kind of defending himself and citing "the weekly standard" and "the wall street journal" and "the new republic" and some articles that actually didn't support his position. i think he misunderstands what the criticism s.obviously over history there have been plenty of villains in literature and in movies that have been businessmen, but -- but that's obvious, and that's -- that's needed because, you know a villain has to be powerful. you can't have some powerless person as your villain. that's just a psychopath. that's not fun to write about. you know, if scrooge didn't have a lot of power, what would be the point of hearing about him? what we're making fun of him for was his idea that there is some vast conspiracy to create this propaganda in order to convince people that as he said quote, business is bad, government is good. that -- that's the part that just doesn't -- doesn't ring true with anybody's kind of lived experience in this country. >> all right. ryan grim and joan walsh, thank you for your time tonight. have a good weekend, both of you. >> you too, reverend. >> you, too, rev. >> a quick note senator rand paul is playing "hardball" with chris matthews. they talked about isis gop and why he thinks hillary clinton is a bigger hawk than he is. >> hillary clinton is much more hawkish and much more likely to get us involved in another war than most of america, republican or democrat. you see this little boomlet for other people out there. >> yeah. >> on the democrat side there are people who aren't so eager to believe that hillary clinton was right taking us to war in libya, and so i think you'll find that as it gets out to the regular voters outside of washington, there's a much more mixed and nuanced feeling about war. >> on a scale of 1 to 10 dove being 0, hawk being 10 where's hillary? 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you didn't listen to anything that i said, did you? >> nope, i did. >> do you think that's fair to take more than half of that? >> i think that's fair. >> it's not, at all. >> i could have taken it all. >> you don't feel at all greedy or -- >> i don't feel greedy. >> not the least bit? >> no, we've not giving crumbs. if we can't help ourselves we can't help other people. >> that's not what i expected at all. that's it. >> we reached out to cbs today, but they declined to comment. joining me now is joe madison. thanks joe, for being here tonight. >> thank you, reverend. what's your reaction to this show joe? is it manipulating americans in need? >> if i were cbs, i'd decline to comment, too, but what can you say intelligent about this operation that they have put on tv? it's perverted. i think it's pervert the just simply watching it. first of all, you just did a program on -- on a structural employment equal pay. this show does not address the realities of the poor. as a matter of fact, if i'm not mistaken in the first episode, they didn't even refer to these individuals as poor. poor is when you have to make a decision will your family have enough eat? at this point in time especially with schoolchildren, with summer about ready to come -- to come about, you know that this is when most of the poor children in america go hungry because they will not be able to have meals that they get in school. who wants to watch and continue to watch poor people as you've pointed out pitted against one another? if you wanted to have reality tv, i'll tell you what you do. why don't you take some of those tv executives at cbs and let them live off the sal riff real poor people and we can watch that. >> now i want to play another clip from the show. the families actually go visit each other's homes and see how they are living. watch this. >> joe, come here for a second. >> oh, honey. he lost his leg in war. >> mm-hmm. >> wow. >> that's amazing. >> he lost it fighting for this country and our freedom. >> wow. >> he served time in war for our country, for our freedom for me, for my husband. >> both families in the first episode chose to give the other family the full $100,000 and a recent study shows that families in need are contributing more to charity than their wealthy counterparts. americans earning less than $200,000 a year are giving 5% less while americans earning under $25,000 a year are giving 17% more. >> they are out there and most people don't know about them. you hit it right on target. most people -- first of all, here's what most people understand. they have been poor. they know what it's like and they know how hard people have to work. but, you know as i watched that episode and that veteran who sacrificed tremendously as many veterans have, instead of giving $100,000 to that family what, we ought to have a reality tv about is impacting the elected -- impacting the elects officials who, by the way, cut veteran affairs, cut opportunities for veterans to be served who have sacrificed a lot. >> joe madison, thank you for your time tonight. have a good weekend. >> you, too, reverend. coming up you've heard of "the scarlet letter." it's a way to shame people. well, wait until you hear what republicans in texas are doing to folks who receive obamacare. that's next. your hand over your heart. is it beating? 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"s" for subsidies. critics worried the bill would create a "scarlet letter" effect where some doctors could decide not to see a patient they learned to be on an obamacare plan. this could lead to real discrimination against patients, but i think the republicans are the ones who could use some special labels like a big trump logo. if they have ever thought about voting for a reality star for president the sad planet would be very popular. for all those folks who quite on board with global warming and, of course, they would be a skull and bone for anyone who believes in death panels. did these gop lawmakers think we'd let them get away with this? nice try but here's my label for them, we gotcha. o tuners... were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online... ...from a list of top rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. ♪ if you're looking for a car that drives you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car. the first and only car with direct adaptive steering. ♪ the 328 horsepower q50 from infiniti. introducing the first ever gummy multivitamin from centrum. a complete, and tasty new way to support... your energy... immunity... and metabolism like never before. centrum multigummies. see gummies in a whole new light. i love making sunday dinners. but when my back hurt, cooking all day... forget about it. tylenol was ok, but it was 6 pills a day. but aleve is just 2 pills all day. and now, i'm back! aleve. finally tonight, i want to talk about a big issue here in cleveland, the tamir rice case. it's been 188 days since rice was fatally shot by a cleveland police officer who apparently thought the pellet gun that tamir was holding was a real gun gun. six months and no explanation. rice was like any other sixth grade kid. he liked to draw play basketball, and he was part of his school drum line. yesterday rice's father spoke out in his first public interview since the shooting and talked about how he has no answers for rice's siblings. >> everybody they wake up they ask about him. and what do you tell him? >> i can't tell him but he's watching over you. i can't see him grow up to be a man man, me having grandkids, him giving me grandkids. >> tamir rice's family deserves answers, just like we must challenge violence in the streets, in the communities as we began this show, we end this show by saying we must also have a balance where the criminal justice system does not have a family 188 days later waiting for answers as to why a 12-year-old was killed by police with a toy gun. thanks for watching. i'm al sharptdon. have a great weekend. 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