Ppeals but won battles for neem who have view maining tort claims. Brent coon mike papantonio. Great to have you with us tonight. Again, we invited comment from bp. They repeatedly declined. Appreciate you gentlemen being with us tonight. Ill have a commentary on all of this tomorrow night on the ed show. Thats the ed show. Im ed schultz. Politicsnation with reverend al smarten begin sharpton begins right now. Good evening, rev. Good evening. Thanks to you for tuning in. Breaking news. Senate democrats pushed back against republicans latest attempt to tie up security funding over the president s executive action on immigration. Its the fourth Time Senate Republicans have tried to use Homeland Security funding as a bargaining chip to stop the president s executive action. And while they keep playing politics, were just four days away from a department shutdown. President obama said that would hurt our economy and possibly our safety. Unless congress acts, one week from now, more than 100,000 dhs employees, Border Patrol court inspectors, tsa agents, will show up to work without getting paid. Now, they all work in your states. These are folks who if they dont have a paycheck are not going to be able to spend that money in your states. They will have a direct impact on your economy and it will have a direct impact on Americas National security because their hard work helps to keep us safe. Dhs keeps us safe and we need its protection especially now. On saturday the Somali Terrorist Group al shabab put out a video calling for attacks on western malls. Including the mall of america in
minnesota. Officials have stepped up security at the mall and said there are no specific plots against it. But al shabab was behind the attack against a mall in kenya in 2013. That killed more than 60 people. And Homeland Securitys secretary jeh johnson isnt dismissing the threat. On a specific place. Weve got to take that seriously. I would say that if anyone is planning to go to the mall of america today, theyve got to be particularly careful. The department of Homeland Security needs to be completely focused on issues like this. Not on whether republicans will give it the money to keep doing this work. Joining me now, congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, democrat of california, who serves on the house Homeland Securitycommittee. And jim arkadis, a truman analyst and former pentagon analyst. Thank you both for being here. Thanks, rev. Thank you. Congresswoman, four days until the department of Homeland Security runs out of money. I mean let me ask you, do you think your republican colleagues will really let it shut down . Well we didnt think that a year and a half ago when they shut down the government for, i believe it was 18 days. Their essential people went to work, then what happened was that we ended up having to pay those people who didnt etchven go to work during that time. So what we understand about shutdowns is its not efficient, its not effective. And for the republicans to be holding the department of Homeland Security as hostage when we really need them threats are changing all the time, reverend. You know, we saw what happened in paris, for example. Yeah. And our department has to
change according to that. And when these republicans continue to do a cr or dont fund whats going on over the fact that they dont like immigrant immigrants, i mean, that is the most ridiculous thing that ive seen in a long time. Jim, weve heard theres no specific plot against the mall of america, but what kind of monitoring are u. S. Security agencyies doing there right now . Well everything comes through the National Counterterrorism center which is based out in Tysons Corner virginia, all reporting from the nsa, d. O. D. And fbi ultimately goes through there, then anything that is deemed credible gets passed along to the department of Homeland Security. And remember several years ago under the Bush Administration when we had colorcoded terrorism alerts . We dont have those anymore, but dhs has a mechanism, National Terrorism advisory system whereby they write a memo that says heres the threat, heres
whats going on, whether its imminent, heres the level of credibility. They pass that information along to local Law Enforcement in minnesota who can take appropriate measures to ensure that proper personnel are dedicated to defending against this issue. Congresswoman sanchez, a cbs poll found 60 , 60 of people think a dhsfunding agreement should be separate from immigration policy. And even some republicans dont want to have this fight. Listen to what senator Lindsey Graham said this morning. For god sakes, dont shut down the premiere Homeland Security defense line called the department of Homeland Security. If we do as republicans, well get blamed. Will republicans get blamed if this is shutdown congresswoman . Absolutely. I mean we need these employees. We need this front line. There are challenges every day. There are attacks that could happen that theyve thwarted over and over. There are just knowing that we have them on the front line makes terrorists think twice before they go and do something. And if we believe that in four day s days theyre only essential, or well send them of them home then thats a particular time when a terrorist might say, okay, nows the time to attack. I think it is very dangerous for the republicans to be doing this, and i hope that americans understand just how dangerous theyre doing over a philosophical issue. Let me pick up on that with you, jim sure. Because the mall of america is in minnesota. Right. Now, theres been any number of instances of residents traveling overseas to join extremists from minnesota. From 2006 to 2011, 27
somaliamericans from minnesota traveled to fight in somalia. Right. Since 2013, 12 people with ties to minnesota traveled to syria syria. Just last week, a minneapolis man was indicted on charges associated with supporting isis. I mean how big is the concern over lone wolf actors in this jim . Well so heres the thing. There is a large somali in the twin cities area and as you just mentioned have been reports of these individuals going to somalia and training with them. Now, the concern is that in a paristype situation where individuals travel to somalia, spend a few months or a few years learning the tricks of the trade, they return back because they have american passports and theyre sort of left to their own devices and theres no connection where some from al shabab calls them up and says okay now its time to conduct the attack. So the concern is that as they learn things in somalia, they
can go back to minnesota and sort of conduct their normal lives and use what theyve learned in order to execute an attack when they feel the time is right. So when we see a video like this, that obviously increases that concern. The other side of that issue, and this is really important for people to understand is that theres been a host of terrorist activity throughout the world over the course of the last several months. People are nervous. A lot of these groups Isis Al Qaeda in the arabian peninsula, elsewhere, are competing for recruits and money and publicity. So theres the concern that someone could return to minnesota, but theres also the issue that this group is just trying to puff out its chest and saying, hey, dont forget about us, either. At this point, i would, while not being able to discount the idea that a paristype attack could occur in minnesota, i would lean more toward the latter of the sort of publicity stunt angle on this. But we cant depend on that, congresswoman, can we . I see you shaking your head. You know, the problem is that you have something called the mall of america. I mean think about the headlines. Its a perfect name for somebody to go. So we need to be vigilant. You know the most important thing for americans to understand is we are in a new age and we have been for quite a while now, and withe need to be vigilant. Were the best eyes and ears that we have each of the individuals as we go about our daily business. And thats the way that we actually, you know when theres something funny thats going on and we report it it turns out that most the time it was something that could have been very serious. But congresswoman, while were being vigilant we also dont need to try to blanket and vilify a whole community. Secretary of Homeland Security of course not. Johnson talked about that this weekend. Listen to this. We have to deal with it in a new and different way that involves a whole of government approach and involves working with state and local Law Enforcement, working with the community, working with
community leaders to hopefully persuade people who might be inclined in this direction to turn away from violence. Congresswoman, youre on the committee of Homeland Security. What kind of work on the ground needs to be done in these communities . Well, i will tell you, for example, out here in orange county, california we probably have the second largest Arab Muslim Community in the nation. Its not the second, at least the third. And we work very diligently within the community. I mean mosque leaders are constantly talking to young people who attend telling them that, you know and its true islam is not about this extreme terrorism going on. We getting them involved getting young people getting people you know these lone sort of people these people sort of out of touch. Getting them involved in community, getting them you know, my father used to say, or
the old adage is idle hands are the devils workshop. So making sure that they are involved. And more importantly making sure that communities who might have a different religion or have a different look that they are involved and part of the Overall Community fabric so that theres understanding between groups. That is a very important thing that we work on every single day out here in orange county, california. Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez and jim arkedis, thank you both for your time tonight. Thanks reverend. Thanks. Coming up a jawdropping moment in the Aaron Hernandez murder trial. What his housekeeper found beneath his mattress before the killing. Also the gops Rudy Giuliani problem. You got to hear what one of his top defenders on the right is saying about the controversy today. And activism at the oscars. Hollywoods biggest stage became a platform for change. What does it mean for the future
of social justice . We say that selma is now because the struggle for justice is right now. We know that right now the struggle for freedom and justice is real. Got a question for the president . Use the obamatownhall to submit your questions for the big event this wednesday. My colleague, jose diaz valarbalart is hosting a town hall with barack obama answering questions from social media, wednesday on msnbc and telemundo. You know who i have a lot of questions for . Rudy giuliani. Hes digging a deeper hole. Maybe he just needs a hug. Thats next. The wrong choice . Its like, if i buy a tshirt and then change my mind i can return it. But a car . You dont reeeaaa eeeeeaaaaaly know until youve driven it a few days. I just want to be sure. As long as people drive cars carmax will be the best way to buy them. Introducing. A pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until. The am. New aleve pm the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. Good job still running in the morning . Yeah. Getting your vegetables every day . When i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] couldve had a v8. Two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories. Were back with the gops sorry attempt to explain Rudy Giulianis claim that the president doesnt love america. Today, giuliani himself, wrote, my blunt language subjecting that the president doesnt love america notwithstanding i didnt intend to question president obamas motives or the content of his heart. But on the same day he wrote that he also said this. Ive said it maybe 30 times before, but somehow this time it hit a nerve. Maybe because the president is on such defense about his unwillingness to face islamic extremist terrorism. This man has a different view of america than most american president s had. I think he just looks at us differently. He doesnt have the same emotion about this country and the same understanding of it. Rather than backing down giuliani is leaping even further into the deep end. And take gop governor bobby jindal who today finally said the president does love america, but in the next breath he said the president doesnt deserve to be president. The president loves america. He loves our country. Theres no doubt about that. I think that the president has really disqualified himself to be our commander in chief because he will not only identify this threat but take the steps that are necessary to
defeat this threat. President obama has disqualified himself as commander in chief. Really . And now gop Governor Scott walker is doing it too. Backing off his statement that he doesnt know if president obama is christian. While fundraising off the controversy, the truth is republicans are still beholden to the far right fringe and theyre still not playing it straight. Joining me now are dana milbank and joan walsh. Thank you both for being here. Hi, reverend. Thanks, rev. Dana this weekend the new york papers quoted me when i said Rudy Giuliani needs a hug. Meaning hes you know a faded guy, just looking for some attention. But whats the solution for all of these other republicans . Well its awfully good of you, refverend to give him this attention. Hes obviously cries out. I want to keep giving him
attention. It shows how they wont confront something that should be easy for them. Its very gracious of you. You know as i think weve discussed, the problem isnt Rudy Giuliani, its how the rest of the party is reacting to it. Correct. And, you know particularly the people who would be president , who would be the partys nominee. Now, and jindal i think stepped in it quite a bit there, but not as bad to the extent that scott walker has done and actually now bringing up this old cockamamy thing about is the president a christian . Thats speaking to really the most venomous parts of the republican primary electorate, and sort of giving a wink and nod to the more hateful elements of the party. So, you know its one thing to be Rudy Giuliani or something of a hasbeen and definitely in need of your affection, but an entirely different thing for a guy whos a serious contender for president to be playing this game. Now, joan i mentioned Governor Scott walker and his
campaign, and in line with what danas saying what is really relevant to me is the Top Republican candidates running in 2016, their reaction to it. Giuliani i think is a hasbeen looking for a hug. But i mentioned scott walker because his Campaign Team is fundraising off the controversy, sending out an email saying he refuses to be drawn into the sideshow of answering pointless questions about whether and how much president obama loves our country. Now is the time to stand up against the publicity hounds and the journalistic pack and help Governor Walker fight back. I mean does this reveal whats going on here joan . Republicans believe their base response to this ugly rhetoric . Yeah i think if we look back at 2012 weve now got Rudy Giuliani playing the donald trump role. Hes kind of the carnival barker, hes shamed himself. He doesnt care. Hes saying hes the id. Hes saying what other people maybe wont say in quite the same way. Then youve got the giuliani primary, rev. Were living through the giuliani primary where you have people like Lindsey Graham jeb bush, like rand paul like marco rubio who have distanced themselves, who really dont want to go all the way there and maybe hope that the Republican Party can beat the democrats without demonizing the president. Then youve got bobby jindal hugs giuliani, then steps back then says an even nastier thing, and scott walker who some people are calling the frontrunner. I cant quite see this but hes doing very well in polls. Having this, what really is a strategy to say these are unimportant questions and i shouldnt have to answer them then to go to his email list and say, give me money. Right. Because im engaging with it. And im trashing the liberal media to boot. Lets not forget dana, its now routine to hear these attacks from republicans in congress. Listen to gop congressman tim
and what he said. This is not a man educated in the american system, he learned all kinds of things wherever he was educated. Spent times in indonesia and the schools there and this is exactly what they caught there, if not probably close to what he believes. Last time i checked, Columbia University and Harvard University were very much American Educational institutions but are we going to hear any of the gop leadership in congress condemn remarks like that any time soon . Remarks taking us right back to the madrassa. I thought we dealt with that seven or eight years ago. So were hearing precious little of people pushing back against that. And thats why the president ial race really brings us into focus because you always have the tim huelskamps and the others in the background on the fringe