Hindery and congresswoman rosa delaura, appreciate your time. Thats the ed show. Politicsnation with reverend al sharpton starts right now. Good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. We start with breaking news on the terror siege in france. Three suspects are now dead. And a fourth is on the run. After Dramatic Police raids at two separate locations. Including heavily armed police storming a grocery market where an attacker held over a dozen hostages and killed four. [ multiple gunfire ] the latest development, a stunning interview with one of the brothers who assaulted the magazine. He spoke directly to a french journalist while hunkering down in a factory that would be overrun by police shortly later. He claimed he was sent by a stop cleric with an al qaeda in yemen. Translator were just telling you that we are the defenders of the prophet. Peace and blessing be upon him. And that i Cherif Kouachi was sent by al qaeda in yemen, okay . Yes yes. And that i went there and thats its imageal alaky who financed me. And how long ago was it . It was a long time ago. Before he was killed. And late today, al qaeda in yemen issued a statement supporting the attacks in france. At this hour a search is on for this woman, who police say was an accompany of the Grocery Store attacker and anyone else who might be linked to these attacks. We have Team Coverage tonight on the manhunt for the fourth suspect. Details on the raid and the links to other terrorists. We start tonight with nbcs ron allen, live in paris. Ron, whats the latest . Well, reverend al just an incredible day and night here an incredible couple of days since that assault on the magazine on wednesday. As you know police have been on the hunt for the kouachi brothers for a president of time that began right after they found their escaped vehicle near the magazine. This morning we got word of a carjacking then a Police Gunfight with the brothers. Then a pursuit. Then the brothers holed up in a factory on the outskirts of paris near charles de gaulle. Hours later the assault at the Grocery Store, its down the street in that direction. The area is still, hours later, sealed off by authorities as they continue their investigation. Then the somewhat simultaneous assaults by police at those two locations. There must have been hundreds of officers involved in these operations heavily armed riot squads tactical police. They were concerned of course about the hostages safety but they were unsure during the course of the day exactly how many people were being held. We understand out of the factory, the two brothers emerged, open gunfire on the officers, the officers returned fire, perhaps killing them instantly and the hostages escaped behind them. At the Grocery Store, the hostages were apparently killed before the authorities launched the assault. We believe that at least four people were killed. There may be more. The authorities have not given a final figure. And perhaps as many as a dozen people were held during the course of the day. The big unanswered question tonight, are the whereabouts of the woman suspect, who was an accomplice of the hostage taker at the Grocery Store. We were unclear if she was on scene or not. Ron, we cannot confirm we dont know whats happened with her is the short answer. So we do not know where boumediene is, whether or not she was in the store or not, we do not know. We dot not know that at all. All we know is that she was listed her picture was put on a wanted poster essentially, circulated by authorities earlier today. Its the first time we heard about her. We know she had a relationship
with Amedy Coulibaly, the man who took hostages at the Grocery Store. Im sorry. Its been a very long day. But we dont know her whereabouts. Shes considered armed and dangerous. I have to believe she may not have ever been at the Grocery Store. Because the police did a thorough accounting of the people who were taken out of the Grocery Store, the hostages. So again, just one mystery. And the search goes on tonight. Well we dont know if anyone was in with Amedy Coulibaly, but we do know that four people have died. Youve been doing a great job all day, ron. Weve been watching you all day. Really great reporting, thank you so much for your reporting tonight, staying with us. Now, let me bring in jim arc diaz, and hes a former department of defense
counterterrorism analyst. Joining us also Jim Cavanaugh, retired atf agent and msnbc analyst kevin coleman. Nbc terrorism analyst, evan coleman, thank you too for being here. Jim, whats your reaction to claims about al qaeda in yemen . Well i sorry, reverend al. The fascinating thing is that theres been this claim of responsibility. What does that mean . We know that these guys traveled to yemen probably in 2011 time frame. They learned how to fire weapons, how to execute an attack and plan an escape route. Then they went back to france and stayed in france and went about their daily lives over a period of the next several three or four years. They probably picked the target on their own, the timing on their own. They probably built their own finance networks, even though
one of the brothers have mentioned financing by al awlaki. We dont know yet. So when we say al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has claimed responsibility for the attack its important for viewers to know that someone in the al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsulas headquarters did not call up the brothers the day before the attack and said okay now its time to put this in motion right . Its also worth noting we should take this claim of responsibility and verify it over the next several days just to make sure. Evan the claim of al qaeda, that the kouachi brothers were connected, financed. Even though did i notice in that interview, he said yes a long time ago before he was killed. So theres some distance and time. Though clearly trying to firm the connection. Your read on this. If you look at the actual
claim of responsibility. Whats interesting is whats not in there. Thats nothing in there that aqap did it. Theres a claim and its an official claim, and it appears to be from an official spokesman. But they dont say, we did it. They say congratulations to the mujahideen who did it. There are folks on twitter who are suggesting that we directed it or we coordinated it. But they havent gotten out there. We have to see whether or not they do what they did with the underbomb plot. Within a day or two of that failed plot they put a photo of him at a Training Camp in yemen evidence that she was there, directed by them. Even that is not enough to suggest that everything was planned by aqap. But at least then we have some knowledge that the claim is credible. I dont know if we know a hundred percent whether its an endorsement or really a claim of responsibility. Now jim, you have big experience in man hunts. Tell us how you view how this
ended with the kouachi brothers. Jim cavanaugh. I think that the French Special operators here did an excellent job, really cant be done better than this. No hostages killed on their entry at the jewish grocery and hostage rescued at the printing office. Now we have some wounded officers as well we havent heard their condition, but it was a textbook operation. They waited until the two brothers were separate from the hostage. That was the commanders advantage. He made the decision he read it right. They also moved on the grocery, knowing likely that the guy at the grocery would know through media, through texting, through cell phones in the grocery, that the operation had occurred. So excellent move and its not so easy to do all the time. You cant expect it to always come out this way. Sometimes you can do the best you can do and all the hostages can be slaughtered. So its unfortunate we had four
killed, but it looks like that was on the initial entry of the terrorists into the jewish deli. Let me ask you this evan are we dealing with a large cell, or could there be more . When you hear coulibaly who is saying that he is the one that did the grocery, that he knew the brothers and we have connected boumediene to several hundred calls between the wife of one of the kouachi brothers and her. So they knew each other. Are there others . Is this a cell . I mean isnt this a large concern now in france . Well, certainly you look at this and they appear to be all connected. Initially they were all arrested as part of a terrorist plot to try to free arguably frances most famous terrorist who was in prison for the 95 metro bombings. You look at mr. Coulibaly, when he did his purported interview on the radio from this kosher shop, he said that he was affiliated with the islam state. He brought up isis and al qaeda which doesnt not only do they hate each other, but actually the person that put out the statement on behalf of aqap this person was just viciously attacked by isis in the last few days. They called him a clown, a dejen rat. Its very difficult to understand why someone if theyre so closely coordinated would mix up isis and aqap. Its a rookie mistake. No doubt theres a network, but how closely these folks were working together we dont know that yet. Jim, al qaeda what are your questions . Weve seen so much today. A lot going on. What questions do you have in giving your expertise . What remains unanswered to you . Well certainly the big one hanging out there is where is the woman. Where is boumediene. We have to know french authorities are looking for her whereabouts. Were going to have to get into the apartment or house where the brothers lived and go through their cell phones and their computers and their belongings. Were going to have to go through coulibalys belongings and cell phones and discover exactly as we were talking about, the idea of how big is this network. Are there any more operatives out there. Is there any other reason to be immediately concerned . Thats probably the case for the next 12 to 24 hours, to make sure the immediate threat has been neutralized and that we can proceed with further investigation. And then above and beyond that, the question becomes, how do we solve this problem . France has an amazing difficulty assimilating muslims into French Society because its a secular state. This is also pervasive throughout europe. And to think that we are going to be able to solve this problem just through hard security is a
fools errand. We dont have the time and resources and manpower to do this. We have to talk about sustainable Democracy Institution building abroad development, employment, economic aid, all of these things that will help regions where terror cells can develop and train, become prosperous so that quite frankly, they have other things to do. Jim if youre saying we cant do it with just training and military, how do we do it . Its all of those things. Its education, economic development, its building our Democratic Institutions like free press and free elections. We live in the United States of america, and we are used to immediate results. We want things to happen overnight. This demands a sustained engagement over years, decades, for a very long time. And gradually building isnt that the problem . That something happens, we all get along, we react then and the moment passes. We go to the next story and we
dont continue to do the things that jim arkedis is doing. Until the next problem, situation, attack, and we react all over again . Thats right. Youre exactly right. And jim is right on that point, spot on. And so is evan when we talks about it as well. And we dont listen to these terrorism experts. Look one big thing that glares out in this paris attack on Charlie Hebdo is that terrorists are trying to get religious bona fides trust that they are protecting islam by striking out at people that insult the prophet. These guys are not religious people. None of these actors that are dead now, were raised as religious people. They were not at all. If you looked in their backgrounds and read about their backgrounds. Yet they want to be seen that way. We cant let them do that. The world cant let these guys be seen that way. The west needs to speak out. The muslim world needs to speak out, and they do. We all need to speak out and isolate the terrorists. They are not the greater population of muslims and thats something we dont take to heart in our comments. We call them the Islamic State. Why do we say that . That could be stopped with a directive from the president. Al qaeda 2. 0, but nothing like islam. Please stay with me. Still ahead, new photos of the female suspect. Where is she . And is she getting help to stay on the run . And just how real is this groups link to al qaeda . Also inside the raid the secret of how the French Police took out the killers. Mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go here we go. Fifty omaha set hut losing feeling in my toes nothing beats that new car smell chicken parm you taste so good nationwide is on your side mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm Hayat Boumediene bum bum. Coming up shes the fourth suspect in the paris terror attacks, where is she . Theres a massive search to find her. And were getting new photos of her just in to msnbc. More on that next. With the incredible fuel efficiency of 38 milespergallon highway you can feel like royalty in the nissan altima. Now, get great offers on the 38 mpg highway nissan altima. Nissan innovation that excites. [coughing]y tomo dave, im sorry to interrupt. I gotta take a sick day tomorrow. Dads dont take sick days, dads take nyquil. The nighttime, sniffling sneezing, coughing aching, fever, best sleep with a cold medicine. Were back with our breaking news, the massive search to find this woman, seen here in photos obtained by a french newspaper. Investigators say shes the girlfriend of the man who took
hostages inside a Kosher Grocery today. Hes now dead. Theyre both suspects in the death of a policewoman in paris yesterday. And officials trying to figure out if there was anyone else involved. Joining me now is Christopher DickeyForeign Editor for the daily beast. Acy parits former cia counterterrorism analyst and evan coleman is back with me here as well. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Christopher, what do we know about this woman . Is it possible that someones helping to shelter boumediene right now . Oh i think almost certainly she has somebody sheltering her and helping her out. I dont think that weve seen the end of this cell at all. We may have seen it end as an active terrorist cell, but in terms of support, i think theres more than wed like to admit, or more than the french authorities would like to admit. Theyve put a lot of people in jail for questioning already. Nine or more people over the last cloids because they see this as an extended network. I imagine that Hayat Boumediene has a few friends someplace who will help hide her out. Now, these are photos that weve obtained of her in some kind of training. And shes shown in these photos with her boyfriend, Amedy Coulibaly, who is now dead and who did do the Grocery Store attack and had hostages and has a record of violence. Let me ask you, aky, whether you
feel after seeing and hearing whats going on today that were dealing with an extensive cell or whether this is pretty much winding down. Well, thats the Million Dollar question or the million euro question. Are there other people . Obviously there are all kinds of when you carry out an attack like this, you have all kinds of friends and confederates who can help you out. So where is miss boumediene . Nobody knows. Had she been caught we would have heard about it in the press by now. So that means she has friends, people trying to help her out, perhaps cars et cetera, et cetera. So the fact is that the police think that she might be armed and dangerous, means that she is a real threat to society at this juncture. So who is actually out there helping here we dont know and thats what the french authorities are trying to crackdown on right now. And evan when he raises that yesterday she and her
boyfriend were suspected of killing a policeman. Today he did this. So if shes out there armed, theres cause for serious concern, if not fear. Conventionally there was this idea that female jihadists were supposed to stay home and take care of the family. Thats not the case anymore. Weve seen women jihadists go to different conflicts, including pakistan syria and elsewhere, and pick up a gun. An American Woman was killed fighting in syria with a jihadist faction. So its not that unusual right now. As a result, its a possibility we have to consider. Another thing we have to consider she wears the nick ob. One of the questions, is that going to help her conceal herself . Sore that going to be a problem . Because thats a sensitive issue in france. Is she going to be able to use this to conceal her just so the viewers are clear, meaning that if they suspect someone that has that
it is sensitive to ask them to remove it so they can see if in fact this might be boumediene. Its a hugely sensitive issue in french. Its hugely sensitive amongst muslims in general. Chris, go ahead. Evan its not just sensitive in france its illegal for a woman to wear the nick ob in france. You can sometimes see women from the persian gulf shopping at prada wearing the nick ob, but out in the streets where Hayat Boumediene may be shes probably not going to be wearing the nick ob. I imagine shell be dressed completely in western fashion. So its illegal to wear this chris is telling us. Let me go back to you, a minute to you aky, the suspect inside the grocery market called a french tv station. Listen to what coulibaly told them. Translator are you linked to the two brothers who carried out the Charlie Hebdo operation . Yes, we coordinated to carry out the