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MSNBCW PoliticsNation August 11, 2014

The question about was your son worried about the police . Okay. Thank you. The family, the mother and grandfather and attorney ben krum will be joining us exclusively any moment. Let me go to you, Jim Cavanaugh, first that i can ask you, as one who has seen a lot and Jim Cavanaugh for our regular listeners know, but for new viewers is an msnbc Law Enforcement analyst. Jim cavanaugh, tell us what you will feel is the next steps on this case. What will happen in terms of the fbi investigating and in terms of how that works with local authorities. Right, reverend al. What the fbi will do is parallel or monitor the case as it is conducted by the st. Louis county Police Homicide bureau. I have a lot of faith in that Homicide Bureau. Theyre a good force. They will get the facts down on paper to the prosecutor. I think they will do it right. The distrust and i have been involved in a lot of these cases down through the years. Involved in many now as head of National Action network. The mistrust of local authorities is basically because a lot of the local prosecutors and local police have to work hand in hand. Families wonder whether or not a prosecutor is as aggressive as the outside federal authorities would be. How have you been able to experience hearing from the Law Enforcement side whether or not thats something that they understand, resent or something you even feel is credible. Its a great point. In the Civil Rights Era i did work in alabama. I was the agent in charge of birmingham. Mississip mississippi, tennessee. I saw the aftermath of the Civil Rights Era. I remember when there was 5500 night riding clansmen. I remember how they permeated the police and how people were afraid they wouldnt get justice. What we are seeing now, reverend al from Trayvon Martin on is people are seeing no action. No action in these cases. Prosecutorial action. In the Trayvon Martin case i would have bagged and tagged the shooter that night. The detective wanted to arrest him that night. You would have seen a different response from people. Now we have cases in new york. We have this tragedy here from Michael Brown. Prosecutors have to step up, too. That case in bedford stiveson, an officer stomps a man he was arresting on the head. If a citizen did it, i would arrest the citizen. You deal with that case, the cops didnt stop the cop that stomped him. Let me show you. Heres what one eyewitness said about it. I want to know if the police chase after the guy. He ranner for his life. They shot him. He fell. He put his arms up to let them know he was compliant and unarmed. They shot him twice more. This was saturday, the killing of Michael Brown. 18yearold unarmed young man in ferguson, missouri. They have been protesting since it turned violent last night. We are talking about we are waiting to have an exclusive with the family, the mother. Grandfather and attorney ben krum will be joining us momentarily. Let me go back to you, james cavanaugh. She said the eyewitness said he put his arms up. He was compliant. Are witnesses accounts like these now a major part of the investigation . Absolutely. Thats a major part of the investigation. All the witnesses and forensics. The bullets, number of shots from where they were fired. All the details will get into the facts in the Homicide Bureau and the fbi will look at it, the use attorney and the District Attorney and make a decision. Look, we have a name in the criminal Justice System for shooting a man standing there with no weapon in his hands up. Its called murder. If those facts hold like the young woman said and if the forensics match, thats a crime. Murder is a crime in the United States. It doesnt matter who commits it. Whether its the police or not. How will the fbi proceed . How will they go about their investigation . You see people standing up. It seems the symbol now is holding up the hands which is really making the point youre making. If that holds as evidence thats murder. Nobody will change the facts in the case. The Police Homicide detectives and the fbi agents here would gather the facts. Nobody would change the facts. As churchill said, the facts are stubborn things. Organizations like the naacp, the National Action network, the southern christian Leadership Conference and the people of ferguson are going to ensure this is in daylight. I have no doubt that the fact wills are come out. It will are get to the desk of a prosecutor. I hope without unnecessary delay. The problem in these cases, if you look back at them in the recent cases is tlg there is too much delay before there is a prosecutorial decision on whether it is a good shoot, a bad shoot and whether the prosecution should move forward. People say there is no justice. You feel like there is no justice. This is important to every single american. If a crime occurs we want the prosecutor to do something. If the crime didnt occur, step up and explain it. A lot of groups are forced to expedite without saying too far or too fast where you dont weigh the evidence. They want to see a prosecution say whether there is valid or not. Whether it ends up good or bad, pro or con. Time works against really trying to get to the bottom of whats happened. Saying to the public they can have confidence that things are happening in a way thats speedy and fair. I think you said it well, james. I think thats all people want. In many cases we have no idea what the evidence is going to lead to. But we want to make sure that the evidence leads to something thats fair for both the accused and the victim. Trayvon martins parents were a tremendous example of that. No doubt. The dignity they exhibited all throughout the thing. All they asked for is what every american wants justice, fairness. They didnt ask for revenge. They didnt want violence. They conducted themselves just like this family in ferguson, missouri. All americans need this. We all need to see justice done. I would say we need the facts gathered certainly. We dont want to rush to judgment against our Police Officers. We are all behind the Police Officers. Even the civil Rights Groups are behind the Police Officers. We want to have good police. We dont need bully police. We dont need Police Murdering our citizens. We dont need interactions with police that start over nothing. You know, one report i saw in the news where the officer told the young man to get off the sidewalk and cursed at him. Well, thats not a professional Police Interaction at all. Those are the kinds of things we have to deal with. Believe me, we will. James cavanaugh, thank you for your time. Well be right back with a live interview with Michael Browns family. First interview that they are doing. Stay with us. Its monday. A brand new start. Your chance to rise and shine. 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We are back with breaking news from ferguson, missouri, where a community is reeling and a family grieving after an unarmed 18yearold named Michael Brown was shot and killed by a Police Officer on saturday afternoon. Brown was walking on the street when investigators say an altercation occurred with the officer. They say brown pushed the officer into his police car and there was a struggle for the officers gun. The officer allegedly got out of the car and shot michael about 35 feet from the vehicle. Witnesses said his body was on the street for some time. The officer who pulled the trigger hasnt been publically identified. Hes on paid leave. Here is what we are learning today. The fbi has officially opened an investigation into the shooting. Looking, they say, for a potential civil rights violation. Moments ago we heard from attorney general eric holder who says attorneys from the Justice Department will work with fbi agents and hell receive regular updates. After some protesters turned violent last night, Michael Browns family is calling for justice and peace. Thats what we need now. You cannot be against alleged reckless violence and then use reckless violence yourself. A family is grieving and a heartbroken mother is searching for answers. His mother Leslie Mcspadden said her son was a good kid looking forward to going to college next week. He didnt botherer nobody. My son just turned 18 and granule waited high school. He didnt bother nobody. Reporter she said her son didnt deserve to die. You dont decide when to take somebody. That was mine. That belonged to me. Joining me now are les mcspadden, leslie, his mother, and the familys attorney benjamin krump. First of all, you have our condolences. How are you doing . Nightmare. How you doing . Something wrong with her audio. Im good. My sons spirit is holding me up. I can hear her. Let me ask her what is it that she wants to say to the nation. I heard her say that her son was to go to college today. She wanted to see this as the day to beginning the rest of his life. During her first interview, what is she wanting the nation to hear from her . Shes called for nonviolence and peace but shes also called for justice. As his mother, what do you want to say to the nation . What do you and mr. Brown want to say to the nation who is watching you about your son . We want to say that my son was special. He was special. He was a first for many, the first of a child. A first grandchild, first nephew. He was basically born a king. Born a king. We should all be celebrating my sons graduation and going on to college. Were planning a funeral. What does she want people around the country and what is she calling on the community to do . What are you calling on the people to do around the country after what happened last night . And the community. That was total chaos. We are not for the violence. It needs to stop. The support is all needed. All needed, but not the violence. It doesnt help any. Let me ask the grandfather. Then to attorney krump. Your message. I spoke with you and you seemed determined to have justice, but to preserve the name and legacy and character of your grandson. What do you have to say to people watching around the country as you grieve for the loss of your grandson on the day he would have been going to jail going to college, im sorry. Not jail. Reverend sharp ton, my grandson was a good kid. You know, its a shame that niece black kids here in st. Louis and im sure around the world, they might as well walk around with a target on their back. It just aint no justice. Thats why i requested you and mr. Valdez, too, to come to st. Louis to help us get through this. This shouldnt happen. This is america. I am going to come in there late tonight and see if we can help to get a fair investigation. They tell me, mr. Mcspadden, he had his hands in the air. What is it that you understand what happened to your grandson . I understand that my grandson was shot. I was under the impression there are a lot of conflicting stories because the police here wont tell you nothing. Its my understanding he was shot eight times. After he was shot twice, he went down to his knees and held his hands up in the air. The officer continued shooting. That makes it an execution. How could you kill somebody and then get paid administrative leave . If theyre paying him, they are saying its okay to kill somebody and well pay you. Attorney krump, we have heard from the family for the first time. They brought you in. What is it that you would like to see and i know you have called for nonviolence. I know you have called for the Justice Department. The fbi is doing a preliminary investigation. What is your message to the country . Reverend al, this family especially ms. Lesley mcspadden and his father Michael Brown, sr. They only want simple justice. If your child was executed in broad daylight and many witnesses say he had his hands up and the police continued to shoot, they demand justice. Thats why people are so outraged. They say yet again how many times do we have to go through this. Attorney anthony gray, my cocounsel and shaid and all of them talk about the pattern that exists in st. Louis of young boys of color continuing to be taken from us and nobody held accountable. Well, this is where we will stand up and say no more. Thats why we are here with this family. What is your understanding, attorney krump, that happened . As far as we can tell, these parents and many others reject what the Police Officers narrative is. That he tried to enter into a police car. It doesnt make sense. How many Young Brothers do you know try to go in a car . I think as the witnesses said, he was running away and the police that is unexplainable gets out of the car even though hes walking with tshirt, shorts and sandals on. Obviously no weapon. They are running away and he shoots them. Then as the witnesses recall, he put his hands up in the air. The police continued to shoot. And execute this child in broad daylight. Now he had on tshirt, shorts and flipflops. It was clearly visible to any trained Law Enforcement that he was not he didnt appear to be concealing any weapon. Exactly. Thats what attorney gray and i are pushing forward. Not only was it excessive force. Clearly it was. But they apparently lacked training because what officer would do this to a kid in broad daylight. His mother and father tell me that he left the scene, left their baby child dead on the concrete at high noon and didnt give him the decency and the courtesy of getting Emergency Response or calling backup. Thats troubling to these parents. Thats why they are so outraged today. What kind of support are you looking for around the country as you try and keep people there nonviolent but at the same time moving forward for justice, attorney crump . As ms. Lesley and mr. Brown said, instead of celebrating today, taking their son to a Technical College they are having to plan a funeral and deal with the costs and expenses. Then we have to look at a second autopsy to try to get to justice because they dont trust and the local community dont trust the local Law Enforcement. Thats a problem when our citizens dont trust the police to do right by us. Thats when people are frustrated. Even with that, these parents and families, all of them, are praying for calm. They want not as you said, people just to be angry. We want justice for michael. Let me ask you to ask her to tell us, as a mother, about her son. Think people around the country should hear from the mother on what type of boy this was. As i stated before he was the first for many different people. Aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandpas. My son oh. My son just touched many people. People flocked to him. He was special. He wanted to do heating and cooling because he was good with his hands, good at taking things apart and putting it back together. He could even fix your relationship if you had a problem with that. But nothing. Nothing, nobody could say could ever explain to me that he provoked this, that he wanted this or asked for this. No, not my son. No crime in walking down the street. No crime. He was called by a lot of people, i understand, a gentle giant. Thats right. Thats how you saw your son as a gentle giant . He was really big. Really bigger than me. Yes. A big old teddy bear. A big old teddy bear. Thats why we called him mikemike. Oh, little mikemike. Let me ask you, mr. Mcspadden, you and the family have called for denounced the violence in the street and called for calm. Why is that important to you as you are obviously grieving. You havent even finalized funeral plans. I want people to understand thi

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