The grand jury december k decision not to indict the Police Officer who was with eric garner. Chants of i cant breathe and no justice, no peace were punctuated by moments of silence. Im here because im alive. Im brie breathing, eric garner is not. Im here because i can be here. And oxygen is a human right. I think people feel jolted in terms of how they feel about americas criminal Justice System but its i do think that people feel hopeful. Rallies occurred in san francisco, philadelphia, chicago, and washington, d. C. After a tenday period with no indictments in the garner or Michael Brown cases a federal investigation into the Cleveland Police department, some have begun to make demands. In new york protesters have issued a list of demands beginning with the firing of officer pantaleo. As members of new yorks congressional delegation wrote, mr. Garners death has taken place in the context of a broken windows polices strategy that appears to target communities of color for minor violations and lowlevel offenses. But for some, including bratton hymn, denial is the order of the day. What does a plan man in new york city have to fear from the nypd. Nothing to fear from us. Joining us is bill keller. Trymaine lee and director at the university of Chicago Institute of politics, david axel rod. When you hear what do you have to sphere from the nypd and he is saying nothing at all. This should be a moment where sides should be coming together but the rift between the community and the police is maybe growing. Yeah, its a trouble thing because we need policing. We need a police presence. We need safe communities. On the other hand, this is an old story. Bill and i were talking earlier i started as a young reporter in the 70s in chicago, these stories were evident then. Now we have social media and can videotape these things and they are taking on new meaning but we have to find some middle ground. And for the commissioner to say, gee, i dont know when the world has seen what a black man has to fear is unfortunate. I dont think thats going to advance the cause here. Bill, you know, the Marshall Project you take on some of these things. The list of prescriptions is unknowable at this point. It started with broken windows, this idea that broken windows lead to bigger, larger crimes. That has not been proven out. I wonder if this is a moment where we can revisit the efficacy of that. I would like to say this is a moment we revisit a lot of things. Its not just any of the episodes but the whole thing coming together enhanced by social media and descriptioned worldwide but it talked to cory johnson and he said any black man growing up in america is unsurprised by the events but what struck him were the number of whites getting a wakeup call from the fact these were happening so close together, so visibly and the and there are a lot of white faces in the crowds protesting which is an opportunity for change if we dont blow it. To that end tremaine you were covering ferguson and in Staten Island. Tell us about the difference in the crowds. It feels like new york is a more Diverse Coalition of folks in terms of ethnicity and age and class. When you spend time at the protests in new york city it is different than ferguson which was starkly black. But what is strike but not surprising is when you have conversations with people in ferguson and on Staten Island and they talk about feeling disconnected to the system and only fueling the criminal Justice System from one aspect and there is a sense of denial that these daytoday indignities that end up in fatalities with eric garner, thab are being ignored or brushed under the rug somehow. So if they feel there are two systems one for black and poor america and one for the rest of america. They really mean it and the rest of america is starting to understand there is something to this. But its not a new story. If there is some good to come of this, the National Conversation has turned a little bit more to sentencing reform. There is more of an awareness. At least it seems in congress where there is not a lot of awareness of much of anything. But cory booker and rand paul have talked about sentencing reform. Black men are targeted or people of other colors are not in this society, is this an Inflection Point . I think it is. I think we were moving to that anyway. There is a coalition between libertarian republicans. And we have the statistics are overwhelming when you look at the number of people in our prisons, the demographics of that population and so on. And the kinds of things people are going to prison for, we have to do something about this. But you know, my concern is that we you know, theres no doubt, when you see that videotape, you say, how can he how can this officer not be held accountable for taking a life in the way he did and thats a big concern. But if thats where it ends and we dont deal with the larger problems thats not enough. A huge part of this is leadership. In some ways people are saying there was skepticism when bill de blasio took over as mayor in new york city but its in this moment he is the mayor that this city has needed. But at the same time i would love to get your thoughts on bill bratton who was the chief of police under Rudy Giuliani which was not a good time with questionable race relations. Do you think he is the right commissioner he will be a better commissioner with bill de blasio than with Rudy Giuliani . I dont know what their relationship is actually like. But i think both of them operate they have to do a delicate balance. I mean, they are in charge of the police force. The police force is really important. If they lose the confident of the police that is not good for anybody. At the same time they have to bring about real reforms and not just cosmetic reforms. Bratton has been on a different kind of police chief in different cities at different times. He is adaptable. And de blasio has demonstrated this week that hes going to take a pretty strong position on, this with the money for diverting mentally ill people from the prison tract into treatment and his emphasis on retraining of the police. Sounds like serious retraining. And bratton is going along with him at least on those issues. Well see if the broken windows policy survives or not. There are years of mistrust in terms of the police. But we have a mayor with a black son whose son was a prominent part of his campaign, who talked about racial profiling and stop and frisk. These are conversations that are happening in grayscie mansion. I wonder if you think there is real change possible. I stood with garners mother i asked her these questions. He has this biracial son and had that conversation with the fear that this young man never comes home but hes basically cosining for bratton. While de blasio was wasting do people talk about that. The mention of bratton undermines the confidence it reminds them of the bad old days of the mid 1990s. The fact you are signing for the person who came up with broken windows, its not lost on them. They appreciate this white man with a unique insight with the black family. Understands the fear of the boy going out but not coming home. But your right hand the guy who is developing policies that would make you scared that a guy selling cigarettes could end up in a choke hold. The mayor has the responsibility to minister to the community in this very big problem losing the Police Department before he ever got started. And i think that still is the case. So the question is, as bill suggests, does bratton go with de blasio or de blasio go with bratton. One thing you have to keep in mind is three or four of the candidates for mayor named bill bratton as the guy they wanted to bring in. He was not hard score on stop and frisk. Its important to keep in mind that joe loda was saying that this city would devolve into chaos and anarchy. It hasnt and bill de blasio has been the right fit for this moment. It is a developing situation. Thank you for your reporting and insight. Stay with me, guys. President obama officially tapped Ashton Carter as his nominee for defense sec their this morning. The senate will wait until next year to consider carters nomination. While republicans have thus far mostly praised carters qualifications that doesnt mean there wont be fireworks. In a statement, john mccain gave a not so subtle hint. Dr. Carters confirmation hearing will provide an opportunity to fully ventilate all of the issues around this administrations feckless Foreign Policy. After the break, a reversal on an article that stunned the country. Amid all the awful news this week something great is happening. Ill tell you what it is coming up. 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Introducing cvs health. Because health is everything. It led to the suspension of fraternity activities to a full investigation and it spurred National Outcry about rape on college campuses. The but the account of a gang rape is being thrown into question. The magazines decision not to report the stories those accused of rape led to accusations. And Rolling Stone apologized to its readers. There now appear to be discrepancies in the account and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in the alleged victim was misplaced. We apologize to anyone affected by the story. This came before the Washington Post published an article casting more doubt on the piece and the alleged victims account. Friends and officials dispute the basic facts of the story. Back with me is bill keller and anna marie cox. Journalistically speaking would the way this story was put together have past muster in your newsroom . I would say no. But i have to acknowledge right up front that i was editor back in 2006 during the Duke Lacrosse Team when three members of the Duke Lacrosse Team were falsely accused of rape. And i have to say most newspapers including ours did not distinguish ourselves in that. We did more give reporting than the Rolling Stone have done in this case. That said, the idea that the purported victim or actual victim, we dont know, was allowed to limit the scope of the reporting seems to me to be an egregious breech. The victim, apparently said she did not want the Rolling Stone reporters to reach out to the accused to get their thoughts. And youre a reporter. This is a news story and a story about Sexual Violence in this country. Starting with journalistic, is there a time not to talk to the accused . I dont think so. I actually dont think that is journalistic guidelines. There are guidelines on how to report on cases like these. You dont limit your reporting based on what the survivor says. That is a problem here. Were going to get to this but the idea because this story has not panned out it will affect the way that people view future allegations at that university or underreporting of Sexual Assault is tragic. And the reporting on this story could have stood on its own without jackies story. There would have been a story without that story being included. That story is sensational and gruesome and you and i both know, most Sexual Assaults are not that sensational. They happen every day. And the reason they dont get reported is they are not sensational. And they dont live up to the idea of what people think rape should like. What is ironic in the statement from Rolling Stone the onus is if the story is fabricated the alleged victim should bear the burden on. That but the Rolling Stone never says we made a mistake. The blame is cast on the victim and we misplaced our trust. We breached a tacit agreement, perhaps. Right. Ive often discovered that companies in the Communications Business are not good at communicating about themselves but its that was clearly a blunder to sort of throw the source under the bus. And kind of shift the blame to her. In a case like this you come up front. You assign reporters to report how your bad story got written in the first place and you let it all hang out. But the last thing you do is blame a bad source. Let me ask you, to anne maries point, what this does to the conversation. You have been talk about the underreporting of rape. We are at a moment where there is a momentum, a moment where there is momentum. Imagine that. But there is conversation about Sexual Assaults and victims and how much of the burden of proof is on their shoulders alone. How much does this set the conversation back . The real worry is that it would contribute to the myth that there is mass false reporting of rape. Dana goldstein who writes for the Marshall Project i was talking to. And she said the most credible study of this that has been done estimates that between 2 and 10 of rape allegations are false. And even some of those are borderline. So the idea that women make this stuff up is a pernicious myth. And pernicious is the right word, right . We talk about the notion of fraud and is incredibly insidious on every level of National Discourse whether were talking about the irs or rape. This idea of one person said something that wasnt true, therefore the whole sort of system, the whole dialogue around is it a false one. What i want to say is that anyone who thinks that women are out there reporting, doing false reports of rape need to ask the women closest to them about this if a woman would do that or if she thinks another woman could do that. Some men in my life who i was talking about this story and the cosby story and their first reaction is well, they might. And its stunning to me. Its stunning that anyone would think that that is the first instinct that that woman has that any woman would go for and do this to get attention or to get money. To talk about one Sexual Assault is still such a deeply shaming thing and a place of such vulnerability. What i really hope is that the attention does not prevent other women from coming forward. That is a huge that is the huge worry, right . There are other victims in that story whose accounts presumably were true. This should not delegitimatize those. One category of men who are particularly inclined to believe that a lot of accusations about rape are false are police. We recently published research on that subject. So you know, the the implication the worst consequence of a journalistic blunder like this would be if it made women fall back and retreat from their willingness to report. And to make Law Enforcement more skeptical of those who report. It is not a good story on many levels. Thanks for joining me. 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