but make no mistake, we know we are at war with isil in the same way we are at war and continue to be at war with al qaeda and its affiliates. >> the united states is at war with isil in the same way we are at war with al qaeda. >> we are at war with isil in the same way as we are at war with al qaeda. >> the u.s. ramping up a military campaign that may require congressional authorization. the military appointed a new general to lead this war against isis. retired marine general john allen. today john kerry announced his appointment for the global coalition against isis. he is facing a growing enemy. the cia believes it has 20,000 or 30,000 fighters in iraq and syria. the pentagon says the additional 475 troops we have been hearing about that the president ordered to iraq will arrive in next week or so and reramp the iraqi army and the u.s. is gearing up to train syrian rebels to beat back isis. that's a difficult task considering how many rebels are not aligned with american interests. u.s. officials focus on moderate fashions. but the rebel groups are divided by infighting with no shared leadership and hard line islamists as the fighter. and there is bashar al-assad. syria and the u.s. are officially fighting the same enemy, while he warned that the u.s. should coordinate any air strikes with the syrian government. >> do you demand to know when u.s. war planes are going to strike your country and wear? >> in order not to make any mistakes i think close cooperation should be conducted. >> so your war planes do not engage u.s. war planes. >> there should be no mistakes in this regard. when mistakes are being made then both parties will pay the price for that. >> joining me now is senior white house correspondent chris jansing. is that a deliberate change? >> it has to be a deliberate change. not only did we hear the exact same words from the press secretary from the white house, from the pentagon and the state department and you're right. it is definitely a change in tone from what we heard from the president when he spoke the night before 9/11. he said the "effort" that we are making is different than what was in iraq and afghanistan. look, words do matter and it's a difficult nuance they are trying to make here. on one hand they want the american people who clearly the polls show feel the threat to know that they are taking every action that they believe they need to the not just defeat but destroy isis as we call them. but on the other hand, war is such a charged word especially for this president who ran on getting us out of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. we haven't heard from the president yet. but this has to be a coordinated effort. the words were identical and they come the day after john kerry did an interview with nbc and he said and i'm quoting here, what we're engaged in is not a full fledged war like we were in before. they really want the american people to know this is more counterter. this is from the air. this is intelligence-based bombing not about boots on the ground. >> what we're hearing is different from what kerry and susan rice said yesterday. thank you for your reporting. and joining me now is the former under secretary of defense and the co-founder for a new american center. and richard lugar. hello to you both. michelle starting with you, what are we seeing here? you served in the pentagon. seeing the spokesman there go farther than the president did to the nation regarding this war? >> you have to recognize there is a spectrum of warfare. while it does not involve the full fledged warfare intervention occupation of countries we saw in afghanistan and iraq, counterterrorism operations of this kind are form of warfare but is it more the nature we've seen against al qaeda in the past except i think this campaign will have a much more concerted and large-scale effort to support partners on the ground, building up the iraqi forces, supporting them with air power and working to build up the syrian opposition as well. >> you mention the syrian opposition. how does that work given our limitations in syria? >> i think what the president is proposing at this point is to bring moderate opposition groups we can identify and vet out of syria to be trained in other countries. saudi arabia has raised its hand and said we are happy to host training like. that you see u.s. trainers working with opposition militia in surrounding neighborhood countries. >> senator lugar do you feel the white house is getting this right at this point? and when you look at the operation unveiled here is this a preventive war? >> it is a war. and i think the change and emphasis here is deliberate. the american public was polled two or three days ago saying 71% were in favor of air strikes. but obviously we haven't had the poll with regard to war. and is it a war. it's going to last for a long time, the president said. and the problems that michelle had just mentioned are really huge. because the unity of the iraq government to begin with has taken some time trying to bring sunnis and kurds along with this some more time so there is something on the ground there. in syria, we have the problem of the training. and at least some difficulties with some of the arab league although they have voted in f h favor of helping out on. this but al-assad and that government is still there. so you have inbetween the so-called rebels or moderates we are going to try to get helping us. you have then isil in the middle and al-assad on the other side. and this is going to require a great deal of complex thinking and complex explaining so the american people remains constantly behind this situation for months and maybe years at a time. >> michelle you were with the president on monday in a private dinner briefing with foreign policy officials. how has this evolved over the week? he sounds more steadfast in seeing this is a long-term war and not just counter terror? what can you share? >> this is a president who is deliberative as a decision maker. i think he was careful to use u.s. leverage to try to get to a more inclusive government in iraq before he fully committed the u.s. behind a campaign in iraq to deal with isil. and i think that was smart, frankly. but once he reaches a decision this is a president that has no trouble showing strong leadership and resolve and i think that's what you've seen him migrate too. i think the speech he made to the american people showed a grim determination to deal with this threat and he said, this is going to take time. it's going to be complicated. it's multidimensional. it's going to require an international coalition. and i frankly think the appointment of general allen there is no american that i can think of that is more trusted and respected by the sunnis in the region, by the arab states in the region. if anyone can pull this coalition together and make it stick it's john allen. that was a master stroke in terms of implementing the strategy. >> he has been on the ground there. and general petraeus was talking about not overestimating the threat here. take a listen. >> isil in iraq should not be overestimated. this in many respects has nowhere near the roots, the numbers and the structure that al qaeda in iraq and the associated sunni insurgents had when we launched the surge. >> do you agree with that assessment? >> not necessarily. isil has indicated that it is able to occupy large sectors of territory. is a appropriating money from oil wells or confiscating citizen wealth along the way. there is a government of sorts. that was never the case with al qaeda. and we are looking at the 21 to 30,000 troops and the governor business. at the same time. it is vulnerable. isil is vulnerable if the united states is successful in getting the iraqis organized and training those who might come into sear yeah. llt take time. but thousand could be overwhelming forces that could kill off the fanatics that are a part of isil that the american public is seeing on television. >> but you are distinguishing isil or isis because it has this government. for americans watching and trying to make sense of this what are they supposed to think? are they this group an islamic state now? >> that's their claim. we've never recognized that nor has any other government recognized. that but at the same time they have boots on the ground. they are killing people who disagree with them. in large numbers. they are expanding their territory. until they're pushed back as they were when the peshmerga and the kurds pushed them back behind a couple of dams in iraq. this is a trained force of fanatic people from many countries, for that matter. maybe even a few from the united states. and this is a dangerous group because of its organization and its claims to be a caliphate, to be a state. >> given that, senator in your view, is the congress and particularly the republicans in the congress and the house strike the right balance saying they will help with the syria rebel part but not going to have an authorization? >> i believe there will need to be an authorization of force vote. i appreciate the scheduling of congress and the election campaign but this is a very, very serious problem for our nation that has some long-term duration. i understand that the congress may vote to appropriate money for the training of people who will do the boots on the ground business. but it's going to take a lot more money. this is going to be an appropriation process in which the defense department once again needs more appropriated money and this is going to require, it seems to me, much more straight forward declaration of the will of the american people as represented by the congress. >> you think if the republicans in the house don't get to house they are abdicating the congressional role there? >> i don't know if the democrats are going to get to that point. i'm saying in case of both parties there are doers and doubters. at this point the president and vice president biden have been calling individual members. they have been working the rolls. but hopefully, the congress will not recess until a decision has been made and there is literally an authorization. >> and michelle from your view in the pentagon do they feel they would be better off and clearly supported if we had that authorization specifically? >> well, let me be clear, i think the most important thing the administration needs in the near term is the authorization to go ahead and set up a d.o.d. or department of defense training effort for the opposition in syria. if that vote doesn't happen before congress recesses, we will lose three months and a lot of momentum in the effort. i think that's the most important initial vote. when -- if they want to have a more extensive discussion about authorizing and funding the larger effort, you know, later, you know later when they return from recess, that's fine. but i think we would really lose some key momentum if they fail to authorize the specific piece on the training in syria before they leave. >> thank you both. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and after the break here, more bad news for roger goodell. new details are surfacing about a conversation with ray rice he had months ago. could this bring changes to the league? yeah! vo: don't just dream of being the hero. make it happen. i can't believe we're missing the game for this. we're not. i've got xlte. vo: it doubles our 4g lte bandwidth in cities nationwide, so be that guy with verizon xlte. now get 1gb of bonus data, and our best pricing ever on the more everything plan. sweenjoy it all...ry! 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>> i wear the jersey in support of ray rice. i love ray rice. i don't believe in abuse but she struck him first and any woman who can hit a man can be hit back. >> i'm not selling my jerseys or burning my jerseys. i support the man and i feel that he has a family and deserves a second chance. >> while the criticism pours in for goodell and the league. even though he is now embarrassed the incident could still lead to positive changes. >> that's not a burden for us to be that poster boy. it's not. now i'm embarrassed about it. but five years from now things have changed significantly for the better i'll be proud of it. that's our recovery. what can we do going forward is pray that this was a moment in time that changed everything. >> joining me now is kate fagan. good day. what good can come from this? >> the nfl has already upped its domestic violence policy and upped the number of games suspensions and buried in there is a commitment to additional work at the grass roots level of domestic violence. but that has gotten lost in the discussion of ray rice and other players with incidents in their past and we are calling for roger goodell's job. and what ends up happening a lot in sports is wanting to make one grand gesture like firing roger goodell. >> i've seen that in politics as well. >> it distracts everybody from attacking the cultural issues that play out right now in this case as in football. the nfl i think is going to have to change its policy on domestic violence. i think to this point we have seen them go public on breast cancer awareness. there is a lot of pink on the field. that's a pretty safe thing for them to be involved in. domestic violence calls attention to violence and what is football? it's a violent sport. that would require them to look in the mirror. it would be hypocrisy. and that's why we have seen them struggle with the domestic violence issue to this point. >> you raise that analogy is interesting. saying you are against cancer is not difficult. saying you are against violence against the innocent should be as easy i should think. >> what is the perpetrator of cancer? we can all get behind being against cancer. but who are the perpetrators of domestic violence. this is not a sweeping generalization but mostly men and who play football? men. >> and the masculine culture. >> and that masculine culture. that's why we have seen people are like why did goodell come down so hard on steroids and big hits and now he has always had a problem with domestic violence? it's because it would call out the culture of football and that's why -- that's why it has always been this way. and why with this ray rice incident we have this video and there is no escaping the conversation now for the nfl. >> that touches on something that bill cowher talked about last night and that is that aggression on the field and what we expect off the field. >> it's a physical game but that's what these football players, that's what they do. it's not who they are. who they are is what they do when they step off the field. they are on a pedestal and a platform. and the nfl is perceived to have a domestic problem then it is our job and our obligation to make sure that we take an opportunity to change that image. we have to do the right thing. >> yeah, i mean, he's right about the culture of football. and it's really just reflecting the american culture at this point. i think we don't want to talk about is the language we use around what it means to be a man. it's don't be a sissy or use -- you throw like a girl and all this language contributes to what it means to be a man. don mcpherson who does wonderful work in this space we teach men growing up is the worst thing they could be is a woman or a gay man. it is playing out in the football arena. i think it would be ridiculous to say the number of football players committing violent crime crimes is out of skew with american society but football is the most dominant sport. we watch it and love it. here's an opportunity to have a conversation about masculinity, about how we treat women. >> and as you put it, the dominant culture what it demands of others. there is a culture of support the player and be quiet. the nfl values secrecy. the message was clear. don't be controversial, don't talk to the media. stay out of the way, support the player and be quiet which if i understand the argument is stand by your man regardless of the conduct. >> and within the nfl and college football programs there is a protect the shield of the nfl and in college football programs it's protect the brand. and a lot of times if you get to a place where there is an incident and there is just no way of peeling back from that -- like ray rice right now, there is no way -- he punched her. when that happens a lot of times those athletes are pushed to the side instead of talking through those issues instead of having a more nuanced conversation. we saw with the audio about some of the women at the ravens game voicing an opinion about the gray area of domestic violence in this country that women to blame and the numbers aren't as drastic as the legitimate numbers are. i think we need to give voice to that gray area and talk about it. for some reason in this country despite what seem to be overwhelming numbers and seems to be a conversation. hitting a woman we could all probably agree that is not good behavior but we victim blame and why it is not as black as white as it should be. >> and a tendency to scapegoat. one player or one commissioner lets people off the hook for the larger conversation you are talk about. thanks for being with us today. >> thanks for having me. >> president obama and eu leaders are using sanctions to turn up the pressure on russia. we'll tell you how. where the reward was that what if tnew car smelledit card and the freedom of the open road? 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>> i'm grand, an you? >> i'm grand myself, i like that. tell me how iowa is preparing not only for hillary which is something that makes national news and the end of this harken tradition. >> well, this evening people from all over the country who used to work for tom hacken are flying in. there be a reunion people like david plouff will by attending the event. sunday is the steak fry and while they do serve steak there i think the real red meat is the rhetoric on display. >> you think about that rhetoric and that red meat, hillary, the last time she was there was caucus night. take a listen to the red meat she was trying to offer the last time around. >> we have seen an unprecedented turnout here in iowa. and that is good news because today we're sending a clear message that we are going to have change and that change will be a democratic president in the white house in 2009. >> she was right about that and it was high turnout and she serve in the president's administration but it's what does she have to do sunday that is different than last time. >> last time she was at the steak fry with the other candidates. she focused on the bill clinton years in the white house. and she tried to say wouldn't be the great to return to the last of the 1990s. it will be interesting to see whether her message is focused on the future or if she spends most of the time talking about the past. the harkens and the clintons first became acquainted during the 1992 campaign when tom and bill were both running for the presidency. after harken dropped out it have race he endorsed bill clinton and that solidified the friendship between the two families. bill clinton and tom harkin were candidates seeking elected office and their wives were doing work in the legal world and in the corporate world. >> what was so interesting that year is that harken being the home state favorite made iowa much less important. that's the last time it wasn't a key separator for the democrats. does she have to in this speech speak directly the to what everyone is talk about whether these political trips are an onramp to running? >> i think she needs to make some sort of a nod to it. her mere presence here in iowa since her absence is i think indication enough that she is serious about running for presidency. and it also helps to respond to people like martin o'malley and others who have made trips to the state of iowa sort of trying to test whether they, too, might throw their hats in the ring or if she is just going to crowd everyone out of the conversation. >> do you think the democratic activists here who are part of this event do they look at this as a sense of duty that it's her turn and they owe her something? i worked as an organizer -- >> i think that is a -- >> go ahead. >> i think that is a republican organizing principle in you is people who waited their turn, john mccain won the nomination in 2008. mitt romney ran once and a second time and won the nomination. that's not what happens with democrats. you know, the old adage is, you know, republicans like to fall in line and democrats like to fall in love. so they like to have a passionate discussion about the issues and that's why you have people like jim webb the former virginia senator coming out here to iowa and introducing themselves to activists because they are interested in having a discussion about how will the next presidency be different than the one that is currently in the white house. and to some extent there is disillusionment among the progressive wing of the democratic party here. that's why you are hearing rumblings about elizabeth warren. there is chatter in that part of the party. and so be coming here, hillary clinton is putting down a marker and saying i'm here even though she may not say i'm in it to win it, i think the message will be sent. >> and one of the differences i was going to say when i worked in the iowa caucus you have a voting community that doesn't follow the momentum the way that some states go with who is ahead. but likes to buck it. is there a risk that she is seeming adopting a front-running strategy which iowa voters don't always like because it seems to cut them out? >> that's always a risk for the perceived front runner. i will put you back to the 2004 cycle. at the beginning of that cycle, john kerry was perceived as a front runner and you had howard dean who spent a lot of time in iowa introducing themselves to the activists and catapulted himself to the front of the act but john kerry closed the cell with a furious campaign rally in the closing ranks of that contest. if hillary clinton does in the 2016 campaign what she didn't do last time around which is go all in in iowa she could do better than last time around. >> in that respect iowa could play the role that it played for later president obama which was really seal the deal on saying, hey, this is where the future is headed in the party. o. kay henderson, thunk. will the real frank underwood please stand up. he just popped up in a court ruling about lying in politics. we'll explain next. if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for our members, but it's open for everyone. there's not one way to do something. no details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. lactaid® is 100% rea right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, no discomfort, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? 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