It is meet the press daily. Im katy tur in for chuck todd. Nancy pelosi says that the impeachment inquiry will move expeditiously. And late this afternoon, Rudy Giuliani is being subpoenaed by congress for documents pertaining to his involvement in ukraine. The House Intelligence Committee says it wants the documents by october 15th. And the subpoena letter comes with a message similar to the one that they gave secretary of state mike pompeo in his subpoena for documents on friday. Quote, your failure or refusal to comply with the subpoena including at the direction or behest of the president or white house shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the houses impeachment inquiry and may be used as inference against you and the president. The subpoena letter also requests giuliani produce any Text Messages and other communications that indicated Trump Administration officials were involved in the ukranian deals, something giuliani has not admitted in interviews. Giuliani says that he had Text Messages that indicate the state department was encourages his work in ukraine and that he was going to, quote, use them to protect myself if and when i need them. The subpoena announcement comes one day after giuliani said in an interview that he would not cooperate with House Intelligence Committee chairman address dam sh adam schiffs investigation. Will you cooperate with the House Intelligence Committee . I wouldnt cooperate with adam schiff. I think adam schiff should be removed. And in addition to the giuliani subpoena, we have two other pieces of breaking news this hour. First, the wall street journal is reporting that secretary of state mike pompeo was among the Administration Officials who listened in on President Trumps july 25th call with ukranian president volodymyr zelensky. And according to the new york times, President Trump pushed Scott Morrison to help bill barr gather for are for a Justice Department inquiry the president hopes will discredit the mueller investigation. We have gotten the best team of reporters covering all of these fast moving developments from the white house hans nichols, on capitol hill Geoff Bennett and de dev ken dilanian and pete williams. And joining us one of the reporters who broke the story about the australian Prime Minister is joining us on the phone. Katie, since you have the most recent reporting, ill start with you. Tell us what exactly happened on this call between donald trump and the Prime Minister of australia. Reporter sure. So this phone call was between donald trump and the Prime Minister of australia, basically the president saying to the Prime Minister listen, you are going to be getting contact from my Justice Department, you know, will yiam barr is working on a g inquiry into the roots of how my president ial campaign was surveyed and i hope that you work with him. The Justice Department has made clear different officials have said that this was really at bill barrs request, that he asked the president to please come this, to make those introductions to other foreign leaders whose countries could have information pertinent to this review which is being led by the u. S. Attorney. And you write this is basically the president of the United States i guess through bill barr or because of bill barr asking the Australian Government to investigate itself. Reporter yes. Because we know that there is a conversation with australian official and George Papadopoulous that really kicked off a lot of the what became the mueller investigation. And so that is true. And also we understand that no matter what bill war oig thinks of this investigation he just wants to know whether it was lawfully predicated. And it is clear that the president himself sees this very differently, as almost a settling of scores, a way to clear his name and also he believes that bill barr is kind of his guy, almost a personal lawyer as we saw in the ukraine transcript. And that is something that i think the Justice Department has tried to distance itself from. And explain that. You write that this underscores the extent to which mr. Trump sees the attorney general as a critical partner to show that it had corrupt origins. Does the president see bill barr as his roy kohn, is that what this reporting is indicating along with the other reporting that weve been seeing built up over the past few days . Yeah, i think that weve known for a long time that President Trump believes that whoever the attorney general is should be his roy kohn. He said i need my roy kohn, he said that is the role that eric holder played for barack obama, he has said that is the role that rfk played for jfk. So it is truly something that he believes. And it is clear from the ukraine transcript that he does believe he has that in bill barr. People around the attorney general say that that is not true, that is the president s perception. But clearly President Trump is willing to express that perception to other people. Pete williams, what is the position of the Justice Department . Well, i think katie has expressed it pretty women here. The and i frankly have a lot to add because ive heard much of the same thing. They did quib him with oble wit. The times story says that the president pushed australia i guess we dont have the first sentence. Pressed is the headline. Pushed is in the first sentence. Yeah. And they say it wasnt a push, it was an ask. And as katy described it, this is the kind of routine thing when one Law Enforcement agency wants the help of another Law Enforcement in another country, heads of state will basically grease the skids for that. I think the thing to bear in mind here just to perhaps amplify on something that katy said is that we know about bill barrs interests. He has been straightforward about this. In may is when he appointed john durham to look into the origins of the investigation of the Trump Campaign whether it was started on Firm Foundation and whether sufficient legal safe guards were in place. Hes always said that is his interests. So the Inspector General of the Justice Department is going in one direction. You have durham in this other direction here. And i think that the question now is that separate from whatever Rudy Giuliani may have been doing. And as far as we know, the answer to that is yes, they seem to be going off in different directions. In the Justice Departments opinion, what is the difference between this and the ukraine phone call . Because i know that they tried to distance themselves from that phone call claiming that although donald trump said im going to have bill barr call you repeatedly that bill barr never got that message and never did make that call. Yeah, well, and i think that the reason that they say the difference is that, you know, there is a there is a well established reason for wanting to know what happened in australia. Because of the fact that it is now documented the Mueller Report neff says it, but the australians have never made any secret of the fact that the sort of thing that the first democrat know that fell was australians telling George Papadopoulous that the russians had dirt that they wanted to pass along on hillary clinton. So if you are trying to go back to sort of patient zero, it does seem to be somebody in australia. And so i think that what they would say papadopoulous telling australians that russians had email, right . Pardon me, yes. Just to be clear. Yes, thank you. That that is the way that the u. S. Learned about it, that is the way that the fbi learned about it. And so you can understand why durham would want to start there rather than say look at ukraine where lets say that the cade r indicators arent as stron. This doesnt happen in a vacuum. And the request by the president for australia for look into the 2020 election basically, or are begi origins of the mueller investigation, comes on the heels of us learning about the ukraine phone call and all the work that giuliani has done and request that the president made not just about crowd strike and the server, but also to look into joe biden and his son hunter even though the ukranians had said that there was no there there in the past. The wall street journal is now reporting that mike pompeo was on that phone call. Mans nichols, the state department had tried to distance themselves from this phone call as well. Quibbling with somebody else not being on the call. What does it say to you now that they have there is reporting that pompeo was on the call . Well, we dont know if this was a planned official leak by the state department or are whether or not this was the reporter who ferreted this out in which case it still could be damaging to the state department. What we do know is that john bolton wasnt on that call. It is fairly standard to have some people listen into this call. I think when we reconstruct all this and now that we have not a transcript but a call log, you really get a sense for how the president views his role in these conversations with foreign leaders. The president insists and he has done that several times over the weekend, he did it again today, that his be may have was perfect. Well, now that we know that pompeo was on the call, and we know the Congressional Democrats want to subpoena pompeo for documents, now they could potentially subpoena pompeo and ask if they think that the president s behavior on that was indeed as perfect as the president says. Now, pompeo likely can invoke some sort of privilege, it could be either absolute immunity or executive privilege. And those would be legal fights to come. Back to the other story, the barr story. Among the interesting aspects of this is the double secret lockdown that the white house apparently imposed on transcripts. Is that now loosened. If there are other phone calls that we could be getting readouts in a drip, drip, drip fashion like this from the reporting around different news organizations, that presents a new threat to the white house even if they dont think that this particular story is terribly damaging. Was this call also put on lockdown the same way that the ukraine call was . Yeah, you know, it is clear that this call is one that was treated very seriously and we know that the call was restricted, this calls transcript was restricted to a small group of president ial aides. So it is clear that people want to take a lot of the president S Communications and sort of put it on lockdown. It is unclear whether or not it was put on lockdown because this has happened so him times and it sort of has become a routine or if it was put on lockdown because anybody was uncomfortable with anything that mr. Trump may somewhere said during the call. The Justice Department doesnt think there was anything untoward in this call. They say they asked for it and the president complied. But to the other gentlemans point, surely many other calls made by mr. Trump for many Different Reasons have been put on lockdown. And now because of the whistleblower and because of questions about the president s behavior at large and the impeachment inquiry, there could be some will within the administration for people to start dribbling out more information about a variety of different calls and that could be a long cycle for the white house. And jeGeoff Bennett, what wa the lead story until this broke, Rudy Giuliani himself being subpoenaed by house intelligence. He said that he wouldnt cooperate with adam schiff. Any reason to believe that has changed . Reporter he may not have a choice. And here is why. Now that were working within this framework of a formal impeachment inquiry, the message that House Democrats were sending to people whom they subpoenaed is ignore us at your own peril. So specifically in this let ter it could be obstruction of justice. Now, i doubt this committee has had time to digest the stories breaking tonight regarding the secretary of state and the attorney general. Even as i was walking down here before these stories broke, they already had an existing deadline of this friday for the secretary of state to turn over requested ukraine documents. Now they are adding an october 15th deadline for giuliani to turn over the documents that they were requesting from him, that of course also the day that the members return here. I think what is interesting, the shift that we have seen from House Democrats is not just this really quick time line, but also the way that they are talking about it. I think that nancy pelosi, hakim jeffries, they had a call yesterday with their members and tried to impress upon their members the gravity of what they are grappling with here. So nancy pelosi said it cant just be that you dont like donald trump. This is about defending the constitution. And one of the things that i heard from a top House Democrat is that this will be the fourth president in the history of the republic to face this impeachment investigation question. Nixon of course resigned before he could be impeached. Andrew johnson had to do with policies after the civil war, we all know why bill clinton was impeached, of course not convicted by the separate. In this senate. This president s behavior was an jeblgt profound failure to uphold the oath of office. So that is what you are seeing from House Democrats and the way they are talking about this, even as this picture of perceived wrongdoing grows beyond apparently now just this call with President Trump and his ukranian counterpart. And you talk about working quickly. It is echoing behind you because there is nobody there on capitol hill. Congress is on recess. But it seems that the Intelligence Committee and the committees that are working on this impeachment inquiry are still working as we know that Rudy Giuliani obviously just got these subpoenas. The subpoena reads our inquiry includes an investigation of credible laelgts allegations th acted as agency of the president to advance his personal political interests by abusing pouter of the offi er power of the office of the president. A growing number of statements appears to show that you pressed the ukranian government. They are not quibble going here. They have saying the president abused his power and that this is a National Security issue. Absolutely. And what is so fascinating about this, that weve known some of this for some time. Giulianis role in ukraine has been out there and in the news and reported on. But the fact that the president got involved in that phone call with the president of ukraine has elevated this to a different level. So this house subpoena is xwbas in part on news report, they are asking about florida fixers that giuliani reportedly hired to help him deal with ukraine, they are asking about political contributions tocon tfriday contributions to trump super pac. And they say if you dont produce the information, it will be on obstruction. So ramping up the pressure. Their enforcement mechanism tends to be a contempt sicitati. And that has to be enforced by the doj and they have been loath to do that. But this is a political process and what were seeing is Public Opinion building toward the idea that this is very serious. There is a new poll that suggests that 47 of registered voters would be in favor of impeachment and removal. 47 , that a big move. So to the is it event to which the house is seeking to enforce its will and get this information, they have a growing body of Public Opinion behind them that wants answers. And they are also looking for not only documentation from Rudy Giuliani, but Text Messages that he flauptflaunt flaunted on nat television. They want everything. Record, email, Text Messages. And giuliani is saying that he wont wok with adam schiff, he wont answer this demand and this request. And that really ups the stakes because Rudy Giuliani is a private citizen. He is not protected by executive privilege or socalled testimonial immunity which the white house has invoked for other current and other former officials. They are seriously committed to getting a response and prepared to go the contempt route it appears. Congressman mccarthy and nunes have written a litter to tto letter to ig and they are asking the Intelligence Community, they are complaining basically, they write that at no point in any of the following information provided to the House Intelligence Committee related to this issue did you indicate that your office fo