To our lex con, texadus. I am chuck todd here in new york city. In britain it was parliament that said enough. In hong kong it was the people. And now were left wondering if those are omens for the Trump Presidency or not. 21 conservatives went rogue on their leader yesterday, Boris Johnson, over his attempts to sideline parliament on brexit. Today parliament defied him in a vote to delay brexit. These conservative leaders risked their careers to defy their leader and set in motion a process that could remove Boris Johnson from power. Thats quite the contrast of how the conservative members of congress here have been unwilling to buck mr. Trump. Many of them if they want to buck him, they retire. See the texadus story. But Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell wont even move on gun measures without things being blessed by trump first. Another gop retirement reminds us in many cases republicans would rather leave than fight this president. Thats seemingly how republicans revolt against trump. They dont stand up, they sit down. Then theres hong kong where millions of people stood up to what they saw as an antidemocratic power grab, eventually winning key concessions from the Chinese Government but the people still wanting more. You can see maybe where im going here. President trump has called himself mr. Brexit and Boris JohnsonPresident Trump. Parliaments revolt against one leader and the peoples revolt in hong kong against another make you wonder what happens here . Lets face it, a big part of that question comes down to how do the democrats look at all of this. Joining me here on set, beth fouhy, Zerlina Maxwell and elise jordan. So i start with this because was election was this moment, okay, was this a disruption going on in western democracies. Now, part of this has to do with how do you still view the 2016 election. Do you view it as an election that was hijacked and stolen or do people view it as a singular important moment in the history of this democracy . Wow. Thats a heavy place to start the show. Look, i dont think we know the answer to that yet. Historians will look back and tell us. Its a bit of both. Brexit was the canary in the coal mine for this president. People were shocked that it happened but the same forces at work then, people frustrated with globalism, people frustrated with the notion that those elected into office were not listening to the people, it was clear looking now looking at what happened in england that we were on a similar track. There was something happening. Remember trump was there in scotland the next day. He basically said, look, i predicted this all along. I dont know if he did. But he hinted that what was going on and what he was detecting as the republican candidate for president is whats likely happening here and it turned out to be correct. Zerlina, one of the reasons i wanted to connect these dots today. And its possible they just draw a line between two dots. But it does feel like in this age of disruption, okay, were a country whose politics trump was one steam valve. But we havent let the steam valve out on the gun issue or the immigration issue. It feels like were due for a moment. I dont know when it is and how it is and what it looks like, but we might be there too. I think the moment started the day after donald trump was sworn into office. We forget that the day after donald trump was sworn into office, millions of people marched, it was the largest march in the history of the country. How many of those people didnt vote in the election . Certainly a very important question. The day i was at the womens march that was my thought. I wish these people had come out in november instead of today. But were here now. What we saw in 2018 is the action and activism that started the day after donald trump was sworn in did not end that day. Those people went home, they organized, they signed up in their local communities, they signed up to run for something, they signed up for emilys list. They calls and found out how to get trained to run for office. And by the way, it worked. Exactly. So what im saying is this is not a moment, its actually an Ongoing Movement powered by actual people and large lly wom and women of color specifically who are looking at the status quo and saying i do not see myself or my concerns reflected in the leadership of this country. I can go change that. If donald trump can be the president of the United States, certainly i can run for congress or try to change my local community. I think more women are actually stepping up to the plate and thats actually the moment that were seeing. Its still an ongoing moment. Elise, let me tackle it from another perspective here which is one from the right and that has to do with the mps that stood up to johnson and said, you know what, this is a mistake. Lets not rush to this, this is a mistake. Country before party. Whatever that is, they decided country before party. Why hasnt that been contagious . The simplistic argument would be, oh, theyre more moral over there in the uk, theyre just doing the right thing. I think, though, youre seeing whats happened in the aftermath of brexit in years now of ongoing political turmoil. And i am lucky enough to work with a british polling group, Lord Ashcroft polls and its very interesting to talk to british pollsters about their political situation in contrast to us. They say brexit is forever. You have trump only for four years. But you also when we were looking during 2016 and going around to battleground states, they identified, because brexit had just happened. We were looking for patterns that possibly would indicate a similar occurrence over here, and they pinpointed people are ready for change and they dont care if they dont know what the change is, theyre willing to vote for radical change. Theyre willing to vote for something that they dont know about. Now brexit is becoming a little clearer what the implications will be. How it will affect youth in britain, how it will affect their economy. Over here, how many years into Donald Trumps presidency. We watch how he is literally tweeting and calls the markets by day and so perhaps republicans are starting to see they need to take a stand sometimes against his unhinged nature. I dont know if democrats have agreed upon what to learn from 2016. Zerlina, would you accept that . I feel like biden and warren are two different versions of this. Warren is change. Youve got to run on this. Biden is this is chaotic. Are you tired of it . Whats the answer . Personally i am more on the side of Elizabeth Warren. Its not a knock on joe biden, but simply the status quo or going back to what we had before donald trump was not good for certain constituencies. So youre saying disruption should be answered with new disruption. And policy plans to back that up. Elizabeth warren isnt just saying im going to take on the banks and wall street, shes saying how shes going to do that, step by step by step, and also adding in i know Mitch Mcconnell exists and so theres even sort of an element to how im going to deal with that as well. Thats an important piece of it because were not living in a fantasy world. So i think in this particular moment, the Elizabeth Warren model is something i personally am more in alignment with because i do think think going back to pretrump was good for people of color. They were still getting killed by the police and we were getting discriminated against and all of those things are still true. This ties into what you said earlier about the millions of people who marched on january 21st, 2017, and then we saw the gun march and there were some spurts of activism. Ever since the 2018 election, weve seen nothing. Nothing. Youre not seeing it in the street. Hong kong, everybody went to the street. One thing drove them into the streets. They were willing to face down tear gas, willing to face down violence to get to their goal. I sense that there is a numbness in this country where they watch thats going on and feel a little powerless and hopeless. That is what makes me wonder about what the end result will be in this election. Is it disruption that youre describing that people want or get me out of feeling so numb. I do think thats true that certainly there isnt a large march that you can put a camera in front of and say this is people trying to create change. The movement is happening online and social media as well. People are connecting. Twitter activism gets a bad rap but it actually is connecting people to do things in the real world and i think that even though were not seeing those large marches, its not that people are not willing to go outside and get tear gassed. Black lives matter did that for years and years and years before they get any credit about it. Then theres the man who cant admit when hes wrong and has a sharpie. The absurdity of he cant even like say, yeah, i misspoke. No biggie, i misspoke. In fact lets go through this craziness, because this is why joe biden feels good every day. You showed us a map earlier and it appeared to have been edited or something to include alabama. Can you explain how that change no, i just know i know that alabama was in the original forecast. They thought it would get it as a piece of it. It was supposed to go actually we have a better map than that which is going to be presented where we had many lines going directly many models, each line being a model and they were going directly through. In all cases alabama was hit if not lightly in some cases pretty hard. Georgia, alabama, it was a different route. They actually gave that a 95 chance probability. It turned out that that was not what happened. It made the right turn up the coast. But alabama was hit very hard and was going to be hit very hard along with georgia. But under the current they wont be. Georgia will be possibly. Were going to see. Were right at that point right now. But i think georgia will be in great shape. Everyone is going to be in great shape because were going to take care of it regardless, regardless. But the original path was through florida. That was probably three days i think thats probably three or four days old. The original path that most people thought it was going to be taking as you know was right through florida where on the right would have been georgia, alabama, et cetera. And that map that you showed us today looked like there was a sharpie. I dont know, i dont know. I think we have the maps, elise. He was so serious about this. Heres the real map. This was the one that we think hes referring to. The cone of uncertainty doesnt even get to florbama. He missed alabama too. Thats an official, i think, sharpie. Not unofficial sharpie. When its a sharpie, its permanent. But this is the part where youre just like what did we disrupt . Exactly. You get this is the disruption you want . You get President Trumps ignorance and aub stin ans and his complete inability to tell the truth and his lack of basic geograp geography. I think a 13yearold that doctors their report card, their reports usually can do. They dont do that good of a job. Im showing my age, the day we had handwritten report cards, but still. I remember a dumb third grade version of myself that tried to trace my dads signature. This is the level that hes operating. Hes not smooth and savvy enough to not tell absolutely ridiculous dumb lies. And this is the stories, beth, that on one hand feel absurd and on the other hand feel emblematic of the trump era. And there are these moments that certainly like why are we covering it so much and at the same time it tells you so much. But this goes back to the point i was making earlier. It renders people numb. They dont know how to respond. Small and large that President Trump does every day, if it was any other president would have created a huge firestorm. People are like, eh, its President Trump. Thats why i dont know where this is leading in terms of whats the next disruption. What does that mean, zerlina, to democrats. Oh, thats just President Trump. Is this why biden is alive . Hes not just alive in, some case he hovers over the field. Look, i dont think that any democrats are waking up, oh, thats just trump. I dont care, these have life and death consequences. Even though its ridiculous and were rolling our eyes because literally he made no sense there. He said georgia is not going to get hit, then theyre going to get hit. He contradicts himself every sentence. And joe biden has a gaffe problem. Tuouche. I dont think biden is in the lead because democrats are complacent. No, i take your point. I think hes in the lead because we have not elected anything except men who are white. Barack obama is half white. So i just think that we still have not elected a woman and we have to understand that thats still going to be a hard thing so people are going to biden because he seems a little safer at this moment. Ill put safer in quotes. Thank you. Beth, zerlina and elise, stick around. 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When you have thousands of people trying to rush our country, i think thats thanks for joining us thats national security. He had very good conversations with very members of congress. With me is congresswoman madeline dean, a member of the house judiciary and Financial Services committee. Congresswoman dean, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me, chuck. Let me start directly with that. Look, you guys went to court to try to stop this National Emergency. He has it looks like he has the legal right to do this. If thats the case, what can congress do . I believe, and we saw in statements by speaker pelosi, that well be in court defending against this grab. Just think about it. It was a wall that is going to be completely ineffective against the problems that we do face at our border that are very real and the Inhumane Treatment of migrants, especially children there, as imposed by this administration. But to take 3. 6 billion, insist that a wall be built by election day, in other words, abuse of his president ial power for political and personal gain. Well be fighting him in court, im confident of that. I understand that, but i believe the court said his use of the National Emergencies act here was in his purview, no . I do know back the decision a couple of months ago, yes. But in light of recent facts you think you can go back to court . I believe we have a strategy to go back and to block it. Theres another avenue that you have if you believe hes violated the constitution. Im very eager to continue that. Were back in session on monday. We have important oversight and investigations to do, specifically in the area of impeachment. As i said, this is a political, personal move. Imagine any other elected official saying do this, spend this money that was not allocated for these resources before election day to help my reelection. And actually what i think is strange is that its a failed strategy. He has told people that go forward, dont worry about em negligent dou eminent domain, environmental problems or contract rights. I think hell have people up in arms on the border when he tries to take personal, private property for his political gain to build a big black wall along 175 miles. Its ineffective, its stupid, it is i hear its this administration. I guess i go back to what you just said, though. Youre making a case that it violates the constitution. And youre not the only one. A lot of democrats have made this case. How is how is an article of impeachment not the next avenue if the courts are going to claim that he has this power . Well, i think you saw that just before we went for district wor work that jerry nadler and our entire committee steered the ship in the direction of now impeachment investigations. So that we can put these facts before the American People and draft appropriate articles of impeachment. Thats what we have had to. And you know, chuck, youve been watching it. Weve been obstructed at every turn and we had to go go to court to authorize our subpoenas. Right. I was just going to say while you still may have some obstruction issues, if you actually formalize yourself as an impeachment inquiry, you become a gra