I think we found one time over a threeweek period that any of the nature candidates. Voters do care more about health care, but i think the point that the democratic leadership is making is that you can walk and chew gum. There are certain committees that are designated to handle issues that if this was an impeachment referral, and we dont know if it was yet, there was language in there that read as if mueller intended for congress to weigh these issues of obstruction, and that is their statutory duty to do so. And so i think that from a messaging standpoint, you have Many Democrats like sherry bustos, head of the dpoc, saying, for the love of god focus on health care and infrastructure, but you have the Committee Chairs that feel compelled in their duty. This is yet another infrastructure week that ended well. There goes infrastructure week again. By the end of the week, nancy pelosi was accusing the president s attorney general of being a criminal. Is there any possible way they work out the bob mueller issue in the next three weeks or is the white house strategy like we said, go pound sand, democrats, and tryo extract it out of us, because in their mind, the trump admi there is any political price to pay right now for not cooperating. I think thats right, there is no indication that and, therefore, no indication that bewere going to see a big infrastructure bill. Although you cant rule anything out. Conservatives arent going to spend 2 trillion, thats the problem. Reporter the white house is digging in on this issue. I spoke to steven groves, one of the top advisers here, that sort of reiterated that point. Look, they think the allegations by nancy pelosi that the attorney general was lying was beneath the dignity of their ofr office, so they are fighting back forcefully. I asked the president if he is going to exert executive privilege to keep don mcgahn from testifying. The president said were going to discuss that next week, but again, saying overnight to fox news that its done, he doesnt want anyone else to testify. As the president prepares to head out on the campaign trail, chuck, i think he sees this as something that fires up his base as a political strength. He gets to say hes in battle. Donna, whats left for the democrats to do . A contempt citation. Im sorry, nobody cared when republicans held over in contempt, right . You thought it was going to be a big moment. Mueller was like, whatever. Im still in the minority, but this is why ive actually argued from the beginning impeachment proceedings. Because impeachment is a process. Not the articles, but you develop the record so that at the end of it, then you have the ability to at least hold the president and his cronies accountable. And without that, the public is never going to be educated. 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President trump seizing on a new story from the New York Times, using it as ammunition for his unfounded claim for spying on his campaign. The times is reporting that in the early investigation of trump and russia, they sent an investigator posing as a Research Assistant to meet with George Papadopoulos in london. She was set to meet with an informant for papadopoulos. That informant was cambridge professor Steven Hopper whose involvement was previously known. But hopper met with papadopoulos and both campaign ads, in fact, hopper was in the white house in 2017 meeting with peter navaro. The fbi is investigating mr. Hoppers work and is investigating agents of mr. Papadopoulos activities. If youre wondering where the genesis of this story is coming from, joining me is someone who knows how the fbi conducts this investigation, a former attorney and now an msnbc contributor. This story tells us a few things we did know, steve hopper, papadopoulos assistant. When i found out that helper, before going into a meeting at the white house before being invited to the white house, is letting the fbi know he was invited to the white house. If i was trump i would be like, oh, my god, they were spying on me in the white house. Why shouldnt you feel uncomfortable about that . You should ask questions. Its probably one of the most risky things the fbi does. You have to monitor them carefully, they have to check in with you. If theyre acting at your direction, fine, if theyre freelancing, not so fine. I think its appropriate for the Inspector General to figure out if its appropriate. But i can tell you about the New York Times article, if you want. I do, and im curious about it. How complete do you feel like it is . It tells part of the story, but heres a good analogy. Lets say the dea is working an important case against a violent and dangerous drug dealer and theyre working it because an informant sort of told them where to look and who was doing what. The goal for the dea would be to remove the informant from the occasion and put an officer or an agent in that persons place. You have a professional, they can testify in court but theres some pop culture terms like a Donnie Brasko . Its not good for me because ive not seen it. A moderate type informant. He worked for the fbi but he ingratiated himself. You want to get the informant out and you want Law Enforcement to work the case. In terms of New York Times reporting, it makes perfect sense to me that the two people who originally had contact with papadopoulos would be ultimately removed from the equation and you put an investigator, a trained Law Enforcement official, into the relationship. Thats actually the proper thing to do. Bill barr keeps calling it spying. Hes the attorney general, so this has now put a Law Enforcement figure on top of that word. Is there any part of this that you would say is spying . No, this is a tried and true investigative technique. The fbi doesnt spy. To me spying means something extralegal, outside of the legal process. What they are doing is running a predicated investigation. Now, theyre running it with an informant which, as i said earlier would they have to get judicial information on the informant . No. But they would have a rigorous set of internal guidelines with a lot of vetting, careful vetting, to make sure the informant is doing a couple of things, being truthful and following the rules. And that is something that inspectors general look at. They want to make sure that federal Law Enforcement agencies are properly running their informants. It can be risky. But the notion that you would introduce an officer into the relationship is actually something that should give mr. Trump comfort. Instead of having an informant work the relationship, youre having a professional work the relationship. So a lot of this is going to be predicated by, was there probable cause . It struck me just today with the putin phone call at a time when the decision was made to open a counterintelligence investigation on the president himself, and i know im in a separate aspect of this. Do you see an incident like this, the president s calling it a russian hoax with putin who is it a fact that they interfered in the election, is that something that ends up looking like probable cause to folks that are in counterintelligence . Its absolutely concerning. They would need probable cause if they wanted a warrant. But you wouldnt need probable cause necessarily just to open an investigation, to do a preliminary investigation. And by the way, you can use informants to obtain probable cause. So on the surface, i dont see anything improper, but its always okay, its always smart for the Inspector General to make sure were playing by the rules. This Inspector General report, look, the president being so happy by this New York Times article, there will be some people that think, oh, is there something being cherry picked here . Do you look at this report and feel like its a fair reading of whats coming . I look at the New York Times report and it strikes me as a normal traditional Law Enforcement operation. Remember, russia interfered in the election. The fbi didnt disclose a word of that before the election. If they really wanted to get President Trump as he seems to think they did, wouldnt they have disclosed it before the election . As the Clinton Campaign likes to point out, the fbi talked about one investigation before the election, not his. Without picking thats the point. What i see happening is that they introduce the Law Enforcement officer to the relationship which actually gives the fbi better control over whats happening. It takes the informant and the diplomat out, and that should give the president some comfort. I doubt he looks at it as comfort. I doubt he does, too. Chuck rosenberg, i have to leave it there, but before i go, i want to promote something youre doing. Dont miss the First Episode of the oath. Its chucks podcast. Subscribe today. The comey interview in particular very good. While youre at it, dont forget to prescribe to the chuck toddcast. Up ahead, forget podcasts, weve got some burning tv. Before he was a president ial candidate, he was a Public Access tv star. Bernies world. How sanders past could be a problem now for his future. R hi. So no matter what, youre guaranteed to have a perfect drive. [laughter] vo go national. Go like a pro. See what i did there . I have one kid in each branch of the military, but im command central. 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