Country are standing up to the president s attacks. This is mtp daily and it starts right now. Freedom, freedom freedom, oh freedom not bad theme music today. Good evening, im katy tur in new york in for chuck todd. Welcome to mtp daily. Just like that, the president pretty much blows up his own cover story and potentially exposes himself to further legal jeopardy. Folks, before the ink was barely dry on the white houses stated reason for revoking John Brennans security clearance and threatening to revoke the clearances of other trump critics, the president said he did it because of, you guessed it, the russia investigation. The white house said the president was acting to protect the nations classified information. Then the president told us that he was basically settling scores with people connected to bob muellers investigation, an investigation in which he is a subject. Here is what he told the wall street journal about his actions. Quote, i call it the rigged witch hunt. It is a sham and these people led it, so i think its something that had to be done. These people that hes punishing and threatening include possible witnesses against him in Robert Muellers investigation. Like james comey, andrew mccabe, and sally yates, who have all reportedly testified in muellers probe. These people also include witnesses in congressional investigations. Comey, mccabe and yates have all spoken to congress, so have john brennan, james clapper, susan rice and peter strzok. Prosecutors will tell you that they often look for patterns in the behavior of the people theyre investigating. We dont know what mueller knows, but we know what our own eyes have seen, which is a president constantly doing things and saying things that look like an attempt to interfere with this investigation. And theres no cloak and dagger in this particular instance. The president seems to be saying, yes, this is exactly what it looks like. Joining me is mimi rocah, former assistant u. S. District for the Southern District of new york and an msnbc legal analyst. And tonights panel, kasie hunt, host of kc d. C. Sunday nights, susan del percio, republican strategist, and democratic strategist, aisha moodymills. Welcome, everybody. Mimi, first to you. Would prosecutors be interested in the president s admitting that he punished a witness in his investigation, the russia investigation, because of the russia investigation . Absolutely, katy. And theres a couple of points to make here. First of all, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, can be based on retaliation. Its explicit in the statute. I dont want to get too far into the weeds, but i just think its important for people to know that given the language that trump used when he admitted why he was revoking the security clearance and why hes threatening to revoke it as to other people who have been and could potentially be witnesses. Hes talking about it in very retaliatory terms. And so while we traditionally think of witness tampering as someone threatening or trying to stop someone from speaking, that can be done through retaliation, and the statute talks about it. We also should remember that it isnt just about the fbi investigation. As you said in the setup here to the show, its about the congressional testimony, congressional hearings, the statutes all explicitly look at that. So hes really, i think, just given a lot more fodder to the idea that many of the things hes been doing when you take them altogether, whether it be trying to fire mueller or talking about firing mueller, threatening Jeff Sessions, firing comey, the trump tower false story and now all this, they all go in a bucket together that looks like obstruction. Lets talk about that larger body of evidence and what he has done, guys. Trump said he revoked the security clearance of brennan because he didnt like the russia probe. He said hes threatening the clearances of others who some of whom are witnesses. He said he had tapes and threatened comey with tapes. He publicly pressured his a. G. Multiple times on twitter and the like to shut down the russia probe. Hes publicly pressured mueller and his team to end the probe, clear him and instead investigate Hillary Clinton. Hes privately ordered mueller be fired and he dictated a misleading statement for his son aboard air force base one. That looks like a big deal. And yet republicans are shr shruggishru shrugging their shoulders at this. Youre right. Especially on this brennan question, which is the one weve been asking today, should the president be doing this, doesnt this set a dangerous press dentin precede precedent. A few weeks ago bob corker said this is Banana Republic stuff. But youve seen republican after republican say this is the president s prerogative. You ask paul ryan this and he said that the president was just trolling us. I know the house is not back in session, but has there 99 any reaction from paul ryan . We have reached out to paul ryans office. There has been no additional reaction to my knowledge at this point. We are obviously following him out on the campaign trail and will ask him next week. What do you guys think . Ive never heard silence from you two at least. At the end of the day, the president was in his right to do it, i agree with that. Its just fundamentally wrong that hes using that right. And hes seeking to punish People Associated with an investigation. It also shows exactly why in that interview that the president of the United States, donald trump, will never go in front of mueller. Theres just no way. He cannot keep his stories right. He cannot help himself from trying to explain this russia probe any time anyone doesnt ask him about it but has a reporter in front of him. What about the larger pattern here, mimi, and the way the white house will say one thing, give a reason for one thing, say the firing the james comey, and the way the president will turn back on that and say, no, no, no, i was thinking of the russia investigation. Or the white house saying its National Security, thats why they revoked brennans security clearance. And the president in the same day doing an interview with the wall street journal saying its all a wnitch hunt and he led th witch hunt and thats why i fired him. First of all, a mixed motive doesnt change anything. So if someone is going to be charged or were going to put this under the blanket of obstruction of justice, it doesnt have to be that 100 of your motive in doing it was to interfere, slow down, obstruct an investigation. It can be a mixed motive. But obviously you would need to show that you did have the intent to do the thing that were saying here, obstruction. And i think the pattern that we see here is that trump, when hes left to his own devices, kind of spontaneously says what i think is true, which is, yeah, im doing this because of russia. But then his lawyers or the white house, they try to walk it back and give some legitimate reason. Or semi legitimate. And i think that the changing stories, it all goes to the consciousness of guilt. Thats definitely something people look at. Why do you keep changing your story . Why do you have to keep going from one explanation to another if youre not hiding something . So the thing that comes up for me, katy, ive been thinking all day about the fact that he keeps telling a story. Why do we keep hearing from this president . Wheres the staff . Im thinking about white houses past. There actually is staff that handle one, his attorneys should actually be handling how he is responding to anything legal going on around him. Also, staff should have taken his phone a long time ago. I seem to remember when barack obama couldnt use his iphone. Hes not going to let anybody do that. I was talking to a former white house staffer today and asking them who is saying no to him. No, dont do these interviews. The person laughed and said nobody is saying that. I said why not . Because hes never going to listen to anybody. But he surrounds himself with all these really good people with the worlds best people but he would still ignore them. Theyre doing a really horrible job in their position because they cant control the president. Theyre not allowed to control the president does his own thing. I understand your point about staffing. To compare this to any other white house is just we cant. We cannot compare what were seeing in this white house to any other presidency. This white house distinctly has no respect for the oval office or the people they serve, period. So theres no way that they can go forward and do a job respectfully and with honor. They cant just leave the white house and say what they think either and they cant speak out publicly while theyre in the white house because theyre legally required to say nice things about him because hes forcing everybody to sign nondisclosure agreements. While it might not be enforceable, im sure there are people in that white house who dont want to test whether or not it is enforceable. And you talk about staff in the white house, thats one thing that has marked this administration in a way that it rarely does elsewhere. Almost everyone whos left and many people still serving have leem teams to get ready for whatever is coming from mueller that are putting them thousands of dollars in debt. Thats a good point. Wow. Lets read a part of what brennan said in the New York Times. Hes got an oped. Mr. Trumps claims of no collusion are in a word, hogwash. The only questions that remain are whether the collusion that took place constituted criminally liable conspiracy, whether obstruction of justice occurred to cover up any collusion or conspiracy and how many members of Trump Incorporated attempted to defraud the government by laundering and concealing the movement of money into their pockets. So this is john brennan saying this. Mimi, does that make you think its a foregone conclusion that Robert Mueller will report that there was collusion . Well, i think its a foregone conclusion that he will report theres collusion, but i think brennan is absolutely correct in pinpointing is it legally criminal conspiracy. Collusion, weve all seen it already, right . The taking the trump tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. That is colluding with the russians. Asking the russians to go find emails from Hillary Clintons emails, that is collusion. And theres so many more examples, those are just two that weve talked about so much. You say weve seen publicly collusion, the don junior tower meeting as one example. Whats the line between thats, i guess, legal collusion or maybe could be legal collusion and what brings that into illegal collusion . So what would make it a criminal conspiracy depends really on sort of what they knew at the time they were doing it. Did they know that the russians were trying to interfere in the election when they were doing this . Did they know that the russians were trying to help trump when they were doing this . Again, i think weve already seen some evidence of that, but i think mueller knows much more. So i do think it is likely that certainly donald trump jr. , i think roger stone and likely President Trump could be put into a criminal conspiracy. The one that mueller has already charged with the russians. So on that note, though, omarosa has told me that she knows the president knew about the wikileaks release of the emails before wikileaks released them. She was asked again today, pressed, how do you know that . She wouldnt give any evidence, but she did seem to imply that the evidence she has, shes already given to Robert Mueller. I was just talking to Chuck Rosenberg off camera a moment ago and he said if she really is coordinating or cooperating, excuse me, with Robert Muellers team, theres just no way she would go on television and talk about it. Well, i think thats probably right. Theres no way she should go on television and talk about it if shes coordinating with mueller. I guess that doesnt necessarily mean she wouldnt. She is refusing to answer certain questions that would be way over the line if shes working with mueller. But look, if her if she really has some kind of proof other than just her sayso that he knew about wikileaks ahead of time, that would almost make it in my view a slam dunk type of case. So what weve been all talking about and debating and is it a criminal conspiracy is really assuming you dont have sort of a smoking gun like that. Kasie, last word, 20 seconds. You know, this is i feel like we say this over and other and over again in the trump presidency, that this feels like uncharted territory. I also feel like a lot of the conversations that we are having around these issues are picking up on little bits and pieces that are floating out of the Robert Mueller investigation. When he is in fact painting an entire picture. And i think the overarching and most important question is whatever he comes up with is clear enough that the American People will accept whatever that conclusion is regardless of what rudy giuliani, the president and highs legal team are saying about it, because that is the strategic battle thats going on right now. And will the republicans in congress who have so far that too. But thats going to depend i think on where the people are. I mean we dont want to make too many direct watergate comparisons here, but the turning point for Richard Nixon after this investigation was when republicans in congress turned against him. They did that because Republican Voters across the country turned on the president. Good point. Kasie hunt, susan, aisha, stay with us. Mimi rocah, thank you very much. Were following breaking news in the Paul Manafort trial. The jury just asked a note be delivered to the judge and Paul Manafort has been brought back into the courtroom. Were not quite sure what this means yet but well have a live report from the courthouse straight ahead. Plus, turning on trump. Omarosa has yet another secret tape revealed here on msnbc and it is just the latest drama exposing a vicious inner circle at the white house. This is a story about mail and packages. And its also a story about people. 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Im joined now by nbc news intelligence and National Security reporter ken dilanian from outside the court house. Ken, whats going on . Reporter so, katy, this is the first weve heard from the jury all day. They have submitted four questions to the judge. We have the judges answers. The most interesting question is they are essentially asking can you define reasonable doubt, which of course goes to the heart of the case and their obligation. They have to find manafort guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, if thats going to be their find, and the judge answered the government is not required to prove beyond all possible doubt, just doubt that can be reasoned. This is a common question that juries have, something that juries grapple with. The law doesnt require them to have no doubt, just no reasonable doubt. They also asked a complicated question about Foreign Bank Account ownership, which goes to the heart of some of these charges. Manafort is charged with not declaring the Foreign Bank Accounts that he owned on his tax return. Its pretty obvious that thats what happened. But there is some dispute about one particular account where he had less than 50 ownership and they asked is one required to file this, its called an f bar, Foreign Bank Account report if they own less than 50 . Thats a question that could be favorable to the defense. Thats an argument that the defense raised that maybe manafort didnt have to file this particular report. They also asked a question about defining a Shelf Company which came up in the trial. The judge told them to rely on their collective recollection. Lastly, they asked whether the exhibit list can be amended to include the indictment. Thats a strange question because the jury has access to the indictment. Thats at the heart of the case. Thats the charges the prosecutors have brought. My understanding is that the judge dismissed the jury for the day. While both sides can talk about exactly what they perceive of those questions. So why is Paul Manafort currently inside the courtroom . That we dont know, but he is entitled to be present when the two sides argue about jury questions and how the judge will answer them so i can only speculate thats part of the reason. So we will not be getting a verdict today. Thats the short answer . Thats pretty clear, katy. Theyre coming back tomorrow it looks like. In terms of exhibits, ken, we know that they have to go through quite a few documents. They had to request a larger space to do that . Reporter well, actually they requested a larger space for their comfort level. They were in a pretty small jury room during the trial, kind of their holding room where they wait to go into the court room. They asked to deliberate in a larger room so theyre in a conference room. They do have dozens if not hundreds of individual documents to go through, including photographs they had not seen during the trial, photographs of that famous ostrich jacket and the python jacket that manafort spent those thousands of dollars on as well as reams of emails and bank and tax records. This is a complicated case. What these questions show is that theyre grappling with some of this evidence and there clearly is not unanimous agreement to convict on day one, katy. Ken dilanian, thank you very much. Ahead on mtp daily, the world loses a truly iconic voice. Remembering the life and legacy of aretha franklin. Welcome to the place where people go to learn about their medicare options. Before theyre on medicare. Come on in. Youre turning 65 soon . Yep. And youre retiring at 67 . Thats the plan well, youve come to the right place. Its also a great time to learn about an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by Unitedhealthcare Insurance Company. Heres why. 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This afternoon former white house aide Omarosa Manigault newman released another tape that she said depicts President Trumps daughterinlaw and 2020 Campaign Official lara trump attempting to buy my silence by offering her a job with the Trump Campaign days after she left the white house. Lara trump responded in a statement that says in part, we never would have imagined that one of our own was secretly recording all of our private conversations. I hope its all worth it for you, omarosa, because some things you just cant put a price on. This latest release comes as the president is reportedly furious with Manigault Newman. A source told gabe sherman in vanity fair that President Trump told advisers that he wants attorney general Jeff Sessions to have Manigault Newman arrested. Joining me now is sam nunberg, former political advisor to the president before and then during the 2016 campaign. Lets talk about the culture of back stabbing at the white house. You have omarosa making tapes or just back stabbing in Donald Trumps inner circle. You have Michael Cohen making tapes. You have 24 people talking to the Washington Post on any given day about whats going on in the white house. Does the fish rot from the head here . Look, i must have been naive. I never taped or recorded. In fact when i had a conversation recorded that was played back to the president , i said to him you have no problem that i was taped and he said no problem with it. Is the president taping people . I dont know. You told me that you were warned by folks, hey, if you walk into Donald Trumps office before he was president , he might be taping you. Yeah, i had been warned. Ive been warned by people outside of the Trump Organization in new york culture, its known that he likes to tape. Why would he do that . Lots of Business People do, katy. This is things done in new york, in real estate, wall street, lawyers. Its a oneparty consent state. Is that why omarosa or Michael Cohen would be taping him . I think michael, michael did not tape donald trump maliciously i dont believe. I think michael taped donald trump to memorialize his relationship so that he could five years from now, eight years from now or even could play it to someone but hes also taping conversations with journalists, so is it to memorialize conversations with journalists also . Michael never taped donald trump because he was worried about covering himself for legal exposure or something along those lines. I dont believe that. I think omarosa is omarosa. Be careful around her. But could it also be, and this is the way that people describe the president. He is loyal to you for as long as he needs you. Youve had firsthand experience with that. Yes, i have. And he expects and demands loyalty back. But when he decides he doesnt need you any longer, youre cut loose, youre nothing to him. So this culture of leaking, of covering your own behind of taping. Right. Could that be because folks realize that at some point hes going to take the bus and back over them with it . Look, i think in omarosas case, i think that she feels i said to gabe sherman in that article, hell hath no fury like omarosa scorned. This whole idea that she shouldnt have been taping in the stat room i have no problem because i think kelly mishandled that situation. Then after that when they told her subsequently, well, we didnt know about it. Perhaps they did, perhaps they didnt. It wasnt the way to handle it with somebody like omarosa. I think it was a critical mistake. I think that kelly, by the way, is one of the people thats actually prodding the president to try to arrest her. You think kelly is telling the president to tell Jeff Sessions to arrest that . Ive heard that from other people. Other than just hearing it from rumor, are these reliable sources youre hearing it from . Yes. Thats a pretty serious allegation. They think its a National Security violation. In talking about the white house and the culture there shall its not just its not just recording people, you have married couples who are willing to back stab each other, at least one person who works in the white house. Listen to or look at what Kellyanne Conway said about her husband and his tweets, because George Conway has been tweeting at times about the president not flattering things. So shes doing an interview with a Washington Post reporter and the reporter says you told me you found your husband, georges, tweets disrespectful. Conway, it is disrespectful, its a violation of basic decency, certainly, if not marital vows as a person familiar with their relationship. Reporter, no, were on the record here. You cant just say after the fact as someone familiar. I told you everything about his tweets was off the record, she says. Reporter, no, thats not true. It never happened. Conway, well, people do see it this way. People do say it that way. I dont say i do, but people see it that way. Reporter, but im saying we never discussed everything about his tweets being off the record. There are things you said that i put off the record. Conway, fine. Ive never actually said what i think about it. I wont say what i think about it which tells you what i think about it. She said a moment ago what she thought about it. Look, i think it wasnt fair that they asked her about this. She invited the reporter into their home. George conways tweets are out there. Of course shes going to be asked about it. Its a features reporter. A reporter talking about the lifestyle and their marriage. I think its a difficult situation. You know, i dont know what goes on regardless of what you think about it, what about Kellyanne Conway saying something derogatory or slagging off her husband and then trying to do it as somebody familiar with their relationship. Well, i think shes in a very difficult position too and that goes within the white house and the dynamics of the white house. I am sure other people, her adversaries, bring her husbands tweets to the president or makes sure that he sees them and its not a fair situation to her. She immediately tried to withdraw her remarks with disinformation. How low will people go in this white house . Look, i like kellyanne a lot. You know, i isnt it just an example of the way they behave and what they value . This is very you know, this white house, the minute they have all gone in, they have been under a lot of scrutiny. Then you have this independent counsel as well. Now youre looking at me like this. I dont think that she should have done the interview to begin with or a feature with her husband in light of the tweets. With that said, its a difficult position that shes in. Lets talk about what youre doing now. Yes. Youre working with steve bannon for the midterm elections. Im glad were aoff all that youre trying to save the house for President Trump. I find it interesting because in the past youve said some pretty horrible things about the president. Youve called him an idiot, an fing fool, a man thats devoid of character. Is trump a good person, an intelligent person, a capable person asked sam nunberg. I dont even know. But i know hes a star. No, i said i knew he was going to be elected president. Why do you want to help a man you describe that way to win back the house . I think hes been a very good president. With that said as well, this is his first reelect. When you look at the fact that you have democrats only need to win 24 seats, 25 districts which Hillary Clinton has won, everybody is forecasting this will be some kind of blue wave. I dont believe it, well see. I think that there are institutional problems. As we were talking off camera, this goes to whether or not he will be impeached or not. And i think that in terms of that, there are a lot of constitutional issues, there are a lot of constitutional issues, theres nullification and from the point of view of his actions as president , these are issues that i think he can win on. Is bannon back in touch with the president . I dont know. Sam nunberg. Always good to see you. Thanks for coming on. Tomorrow, steve bannon himself speaks exclusively with ari melber at 10 00 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc. And ahead, the gop brings out the heavy artillery. How republicans are using everything they have got to keep the house. If you use some of these moves way too often. Then you might have a common condition called dry mouth. Which can be brought on by many things, like medication and medical conditions. Biotene provides immediate, long lasting relief from dry mouth symptoms. It is clinically proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth. Plus, it freshens breath. Biotene. Immediate and long lasting dry mouth symptom relief. 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Those right there were just some of President Trumps attacks on the media over the past four months. Today in the lid the media responds to those attacks with the boston globe taking the lead and asking editorial boards from papers across the country to address the assault on the free press. More than 400 news outlets in 49 states responded with editorials in support of that case. With us now is linda henry, the boston globes managing director. The panel is also back, kasie hunt, susan del percio and aisha moodymills. Linda, do you think its a good idea or why do you think its a good idea . I do, i think its a good idea. This is an unprecedented increase in rhetoric against the media. What this is doing is its galvanized them in their own words to explain why they matter. And the response was really terrific. If you read them, theres just such a variety of voices in terms of a lot of Media Outlets were connecting them to their community and saying were fellow americans, were your neighbors. The language thats being used is incredibly dehumanizing. To say the enemy of the people, it sees other as this otherness. This was a chance to remind citizens of the function of the press thats often taken for granted. Can you argue that isnt it better to remind voters and citizens the function of a free press is just being a free press and not making yourselves a not a target, but not calling attention to the president s allegations of collusion by making it look like theres a coordinated effort to push back on him . Are you concerned about that . Well, thats definitely something that we thought about, but we have a choice. So weve been taking it. Its been coming, these attacks on this increased rhetoric and this dangerous rhetoric has been increasing. And we decided that we were going to respond and write about it and say, you know what, there is a danger to this rhetoric. We reached out and invited others to join us. And individual editorial boards made their own decision. And again, it was in their own words. And so the response the choice is do we do nothing is one option or to do something and we chose to do something. Again, it is not an antitrump, it is a pro constitution, pro First Amendment discussion, which should not be controversial. What do you think about this . I think that we as journalists go out of our way to make sure theres a distinction between our editorial pages and our news pages. The attacks that the president is leveling at the media are undermining the american publics faith in their ability to find information that is true. And that is at the root of the problem. So from that perspective, you know, while i commend the effort that they are doing, that is not i think what we as reporters, were not trying to argue they speak for us. So it is a delicate balance. You saw the l. A. Times kind of give voice to that balance when they said, hey, were not actually going to participate in this. But that said, this is also a role for the editorial boards for the newspapers in our countries. They take stands on important issues all the time. The coordination here, i think, does speak to kind of the degree of concern. We have an l. A. Times editorial. Lets read it. He has called us, suggesting over and over that we are in ca hoots to do damage to the country. The idea of joining together to protest him seems almost to encourage that kind of conspiracy thinking by the president and his loyalists. Why give them the ammunition to scream about collusion, and then look at trumps response . Today to all of this, he says the boston globe which was sold to the failing New York Times for 1. 3 billion, plus 800 million in losses, or 2. 1 billion was then sold by the times for 1, and now the globe is in collusion with other papers on free press. Prove it. I dont understand the tweet. I think the point is hes trying to say collusion. Prove it is an interesting point. Fake news what donald trump means by that is news that is unfavorable to him. We all know that. But we dont say it enough. And i think if each editorial would have taken a story that they wrote, and donald trump at one point called some aspect of it fake news and said this is not fake, this is real news that donald trump doesnt like. I think that message cant get hammered in enough to the american public. We say it all the time. Yeah. I also wish the news would do more to examine what are his motivations for attacking the press. First of all lets be clear, fake news is not a new term that donald trump made up. He is taking a direct play out of hitlers book. Hitler came up with this idea of, like, oh, fake news, and attacking the media, and using this propaganda to try to essentially give cover to his regime. Whats the german word for it again . I dont speak german. I dont want to butcher it. Ive seen the pictures on twitter. Its a german word. Trump rallies. So the media would really do continue to do a service by constantly looking at the motivation of the president , talking about the history, the patterns he has and who hes taking his cues from. He thinks he has a regime. A more interesting way of doing it, putting it in context, rather, i worry these discussions about him attacking us end up being too naval gazy and make it about us. When i do these segments, i think of marty barron, when he was responding to the president , saying hes at war with the press. Marty barron, the editor in chief of Washington Post we said were not at war, were at work. We are at work. I appreciate the arguments there. But, again, this was we are reiterating what it is that we stand for, what the value, what the role of a free press is. And each individual newspaper wrote about what that meant to them. And what a free press is in boston is very different from what the free press is in boise in terms of the role it plays within the community. How so . Explain that. Im confused by that. Well, so while we are all doing the same thing in terms of holding the powerful accountable, keeping the citizenry informed, but it means different things. It plays out differently on a community level, you know, a lot of the editorials youre reading were talking about how, you know, we care about the school board. We care about the new restaurant thats opening. We are interested in who the city selectmen are. Those sort of things on a very local level. And when the rhetoric comes in from the top that this is fake news fake news is the enemy of the people, it plays down through all levels of journalism. Susan . Well, i think the free press is the same in boston as it is in boise as it is in los angeles as it is in florida, and everywhere else. A free press means that you have the freedom to report and the government is not there to oversee and prevent you from reporting. Those are values that kind of work everywhere. It also means that we have access to our Public Officials and institutions. You know, i cover the capital every day. So, you know, when they try to say that we cant walk down x hallway or stand in y corner, all of us kind of go up and say, hey, this is not acceptable. I mean, thats a fight that we have, you know, on a daily basis. Hey, excuse me, we pay for this building and we should have access. People have a right to they dont have access to their representatives. We do. 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