Sarah huckabee sanders. Some people refused to accept the fact that we are not affiliated. They just are not stopping. Except it wasnt that restaurant. Oops. This is mtp daily, and it starts right now. Good evening. Im Steve Kornacki in for chuck todd. Welcome to mtp daily. A debate about the president s border policies has taken some unexpect and nast turns. The president is pouring fuel on a fair of fires involving the story right now. We are not sure what is going to happen next. First, there is his response to the fire burning over his treatment over immigrant families. The president pouring fuel on that fire by seemingly calling for the end of due process at the border. And there is his response to a democratic congresswoman who was lived over his border policy. She urged her supporters to confront white house officials in public. In response the president seemed to suggest that his supporters might react by physically harming her. After a virginia restaurant refused to serve the White House Press secretary in part of the white houses immigration policies. And after Kirstjen Nielsen was heckled at a Mexican RestaurantMaxine Waters said this. If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out you and create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they are not welcome anymore anywhere. And heres how the president react to that today on twitter. Congresswoman Maxine Waters an extraordinarily low iq person has become to the with nancy pelosi the face of the democrat party. She called for harm to supporters of which there are many of the make America Great again movement. Be careful what you wish for max. Crisis about the president s border policies now turning into a discussion about confronting maybe even harming your political opponents. Ltsds be clear. The crisis involving the president s border policy remains. And as his administration scrambles to undo the damage that was done from that zero tolerance policy, he took to twitter and wrote this, we cannot allow all of these people to invade our country. When somebody comes in we Must Immediately with no judges or court cases bring them back from where they came that would seemingly potentially, some argue, violate the fifth amendments due process clause which the Supreme Court has ruled applies to everyone in the u. S. Whether you are here legally or illegally. We should note there are mechanisms to expedite the removal of Illegal Immigrants without a Court Hearing which the white house noted today but there has been some debate about the constitutionality of those policies, too. We are not just dealing with a multifaceted crisis. Voing immigration because of the president , we have been saddled with political discourse. Joining me, gabe debenedetti. And zerlina maxwell, former adviser to Hillary Clinton and an msnbc political analyst. Thanks to everybody for being here. I want to just start we have got a republican, and we have got a democrat here. Let me ask you we get along. We do get along. We are very civil. Lets try to keep it up for this panel, then. Hopefully we can set some kind of an example here. Susan, let me ask you, in terms of the president s response to that video of Maxine Waters. Because that video started making the rouns rounds about 24 hours ago. Its been four or five hours since the president tweeted that. What do you make of the president s response . Is that a fair thing for him to do . Im choosing this word very carefully. Its deplorable. Its absolutely wrong. Thats not to say what Maxine Waters said was any better. It was equally deplorabldeplora. We should not be called out because of our politics at a restaurant or a gas station. There should be no mention of violence. It is unacceptable for both sides. What would you like the president to do then . Would you like him to Say Something . What is the megsage he should send, if Maxine Waters says that and you dont like it what should it be . Heres the problem. The president has no credibility. Even if he said the right thing everyone would be left scratching their head and he wouldnt be able to hold on to it very long. In the best possible circumstance he should move on, talk about i dont know the economy, the things that republicans want to talk about so they can win in the fall and keep the house. You are saying say nothing. In a perfect world. I dont know if he can do that. Zerlina, from a democratics perspective, hearing Maxine Waters say that. I think also what caught people watching that was the reaction of the crowd. The crowd was into this. A major place for a Democratic Office holder to be . I think Maxine Waters is a leader in the resistance movement. What you heard her is not being violent towards Trump Supporters is not confront vie listenly Trump Supporters. She is saying they should not be insulated from the social consequences of their policies f. There are babies in cages over here are you still going to go able to go out in polite saet society and have din tower the democratic citizens of your country not being able to tell you we pay you we are not able to tell you. [ overlapping speakers ] let me just ask this. She says this, she says get out and surround them. That sound like the kind of rhetoric that could i understand there is not a literal call to violence here but when you talk about finding people, getting isnt there a potential that there is a slippery slope, the situations can get out of hand. No, i dont think there is a slippery slope. Donald trump is literally telling his supporters he will pay their bail if they beat up a hillary supporter during the campaign. I didnt see as much outrage over that as Maxine Waters. I think what she is saying we are reading too far into it to essentially say that she is saying the same thing donald trump is saying, and that is not true. Would you want her to visit a swing state . Thats not she is a congresswoman from california. Maybe that wouldnt be effective. Lets stay on this for a moment. Gabe. There is a clear situation here where donald trump has set the way that we are talking about this and that the nation is talking about this. The reality is that we are setting this up as if Maxine Waters and donald trump are on a level playing field. Donald trump has a biggest bully pulpit we have ever seen. Maxine waters is a member of congress. She has been supported because of the way she talks about him. But to say she is suddenly going to get democrats all over the country to suddenly be violent to Administration Members is divorced from early. We are look at a president who has tried to more or less say i will excuse you if you are violent towards protesters in the crowd. There is a pattern here. If its unacceptable for president to do that. Sure. If its different when the president does that just in terms of stature, thats the highest office in our country, in terms of platform, in terms of reach. We can stipulate its different on all of those levels of even if we stipulate that, is there a responsibility on the other side for what kind of response comes from that . What would an appropriate response look like . How polite do we have to be to people how are putting babies in cages . I would say we dont have to be polite to those folks. Polite discourse is not appropriate when people are putting babies in aij cages. It is an Inflection Point for this country. There are babies in jail right now in the United States. If we look back in the history books and we were all politely discussing whether or not that was appropriate, i think shame is on us. I guess it was a completely different Political Climate back in 2014 when barack obama and we made the family separation policy. You had democrats calling them no, no no, there were no babies in cages. Children were being detained in facilities back then. Correct. Correct. There was a ability at that time it seems to navigate that issue politically i understand there is a lot of differences. I think thats a little bit of revisionist history only because as somebody who is in Progressive Movement and in the progressive base i saw people from the left critiquing the president in very virulent terms. I toured the border in 2015 and some of the things i saw still keep me up today. The reason why is i cant believe thats happening in this country. These policies that this administration is putting forth are intentionally cruel. They are racist. It is our job as citizens to speak out against that. Now, does that mean that we are going to be violent in no. Does that mean that Sarah Huckabee sanders can have a nice katy dinner with her family when she is taking our tax dollars to implement this policy . I dont think so. Whats your reaction to this, susan. Zerlina you are being provocative with the language you are using. I understand that. Thats civil of you. What did i say thats provocative. Its more about the immigration issue and babies are not in cages. Based on jacob soboroffs reporting on the channel we are sitting on right now. This wasnt one issue or one policy. This was a personal attack by a congresswoman against an administration member. This should not happen. Now, i agree, President Trump has set an awful example. But we are not going to be better as a nation Going Forward if we keep slipping back and using him as the standard in what we should use to fight against him. As a republican who does not stand with donald trump i would not go down to his level to use that language because thats bringing me down. I think we need come up as a country together, and i understand there are elections and things to do. But what congresswoman Maxine Waters did was intentionally to stir the pot. They have a history. What is worse is what donald trump did in his response. But it doesnt make any one good. It just makes them both bad. It strikes me, gabe, looking at the reaction of donald trump the fact that he decided today to stir this up he decided to go out there and sweet about Sarah Huckabee sanders. Ier. He decides to come back and talk about Maxine Waters. I think we have Marcia Blackburn a republican candidate for senate down in tennessee trying to raise money off of this. It does seem this is the reaction, the kind of rhetoric that the trump side is hoping to generate. If if you had woken me up this morning and said Maxine Waters is going to say this, what do you think the president what do you think Congressional Republicans are going to do . Some of them who are running for things, this is easy, fill in the blanks politics for him. He likes outrage flits to get miss base fired up behind him. Marcia blackburn is someone who needs his base behind her in tennessee as she is running for senate. Its easy these politics of division and politics of outrage to inflame the people that are behind donald trump and basically saying the democrats are against you, they are trying to be obstructionist. There is a reason. If you look at the ads that Donald Trumps team has put together for his reelection. Er this digital right now. Maxine waters is in every one. To him, she signals a strident democrat who is boogie man at this point. Thats where we are. From a strategic standpoint we have been looking at trumps support among republicans. Its down to 41 pz in gallop. But he is doing with his own party than any president with his own party at this point. One of the reasons its the react of the opposition, the resistance, the Maxine Waters clip that is causing republicans to bind themselves to trump at a level that we havent seen in the past. Is that politically is that a concern at all . Ultimately, you are a democrat, you have got to win elections, got to beat them. Does that concern you at all . Sure, we should register people that are going to vote for democrats. The 40 of people you are talking about are never going to vote for a democratic or support Maxine Waters. Her being a black woman is not irrelevant to this conversation. He is attacking black women frequently in his tweets and in his rhetoric. So thats again why attacking her resonates with the base as a separate conversation. I think as a democrat its really about organizing and mobilizing our base to go out and vote. Our base is actually very energized. Thats why there is 42 seats in special elections that have been flipped as you know. I think as a democrat our job is to speak truth to power. And in this particular moment, we are at an Inflection Point in this country. It is not just a regular political conversation. We are talking about Human Rights Violations on the border. And not to say that barack obama didnt have trouble in terms of his immigration policy. The defendant was calling him the deporter in chief. That largely did fit with the amount of people that he was deporting and the people he was separating from their family members and literally putting up a wall in between a wife and a husband for example, like folks i met when i traveled around the border. So i think that we need to in this moment speak truth to power and stop being so shy and scared of speaking the truth accurately. There are babies in kanls. Jacob soboroff said he saw that. The record you just put out there for the Obama Administration, the cry tech you put out there, you are saying what you are seeing with the Trump Administration deserves social ostracism. Should there have been social ott tre simple for the obama folks . There was social criticism. But social ostracism. For example. There was plenty of moments where an Obama Administration official would come to an event to speak and the even should be shut down by protesters protesting immigration policy. That happened. I dont know why it happened in restaurants. I dont know why Administration Officials seem to have a taste for mexican food in this situation when you are incarcerating brown people at the border but i would say there were social consequences for the Obama Administration officials. It manifested in a slightly different way. They were told to be quiet or they were critiqued in public settings like conferences or during interviews. You didnt have twitter. You didnt are the importance of the media as it is today. Why . Because we know that the president watches a lot of television. I think the environment was also different. Completely, yeah. Under president obama as far as it having that effect. Im not sure it couldnt have happened under the similar circumstances. The external, the environment around the issue obviously was there is a different dynamic. There wasnt a resistance to president obama in the same way. Although the tea party absolutely did call out Obama Administration officials. Much more ahead. The tent city, nbc news going inside a Detention Center for immigrant children. Some law make remembers being denied access to others. We are live at the border. That is next. Or is it . This farmers morning starts in outer space. Where satellites feed infrared images of his land into a system built with ai. 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Its outrageous red flags go up everywhere that they are tried to hide something or something is happening here that they dont want the public to know. That to me is of more concern than anything i have seen so far. That was nevada senator Catherine Cortez mastro after she was denied entry to a brownsville detention facility. She notified them ahead of time she was coming for a tour. Instead she said she was blocked and handed pr literature from an employee. Transparent and access to Holding Centers has been slow coming or nonexistent. Cal perry got a first look today at a facility. Tell us what you saw. It wasnt shocking the conditions, which should be expected here in america. Lets be clear about that. What we did see was fairly militaryized. It wa