This hour. This is mtp daily and it starts right now. Good evening. I am chuck todd and back in washington. Rested and a little tan i hope and ready go. Welcome to mtp daily and its been seven days since the new leadership took over and the campaign that was unraveling. The thing is clear with 77 days to go and theyre trying to make this race a referendum on her and not him anymore and seizing on the headlines and the Clinton Foundation. The pay for play scandals as secretary of the state. The vase scope of Hillary Clinton criminalalty is that. The Justice Department is required to appoint a special prosecutor immediately, immediately, immediately. Yes, some rhetoric there and they slammed the foundation and its the most corrupt in the history and slamming the clintons life work and the political drift ers and then the health and that she does not really do that much and she looks sick and suggesting that she has brain damage. Theres more and here is Trumps Campaign manager in a newly released do released documentary. You think we would know who she is if she was not married to bill clinton. He is creating a war zone in the inner cities. We are also going reject and only of votes and then of a Better Future and so true. Thats so true. You will be able to walk down the street without getting shot right now you walk down the street and you get shot. Welcome to week one under new management and then disappears to be the playbook and in fact here are the headline in the weeks before he took over the campaign suggesting that clinton suffers from parkisons and that the top aide maybe a terrorists sly and that she has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and its a full attack on clinton. Then, theres part two and appearing to retreat a bit on the hard line rhetoric with the minorities and laying out a strait ji that they say that mirrors parts of trumps plan. Were going get rid of the bad ones and go through the process. Obama got a tremendous number of people out of the country. Im going do the same thing and i just said that. Were going it in a humane man er. The pitch to winning it or is this a salvage operation . A way to recover the losses and a big churng of that vote is made up of the College Educated groups that you keep on hearing about in the polling and look at this. This is normally a Reliable Group of and these are the folks that do care about her rhetoric and are the last ones that jump the ship and perhaps to trump campaigns believes that theyre the first ones to come back. Thank you and let me start with the prima nprimness. Well, what were seeing is this the stamp of steve and trump 3. 0 . Well, i they its really the stamp of kelly conway and kelly anne con we and then a whole lost of others. Myself included who been out here and we have ourself pivoted to the focus on the message and the contrast and the differences between our candidate and Donald J Trump and Hillary Clinton. Thats really what this is all about. Its about choice and the American People are going to see that. This is what we have been focused on as we get closer to labor day. This is what you expect in the campaign. Let me ask you this in the outreach of the majority groups and i am making the assumption that this is less about making the votes than not. One odd thing is he talked about reaching out to hispanic voters and naacp invite, declined, National Urban league conference, declined. Then there was the National Association and then by decline and then the National Association of the o poipponent officials and then the round table with the cuban leader got cancelled. How do you explain this . Mine the urban league has been one thats been done for years. Im not sure. I think what you really have to take a look at kand through the process and then what would have been presented in the outcomes and the point is that being made and the enact you have an opportunity to to o go in front of groups that are hostile to republicans and what were appealing to is the average voter throughout and the person that lives under the apresentation of many of the cities and what are the opportunities and where do you go ask the people that live in the in administer city about the options and go ask them about enterprise zones. No, wait a minute chuck. You brought this up. Let my finish. I understand this. Its the minor if i voters. Well, holding the event with minority people that are going to offer and are in the pocket of the left. Make no mistake about where many of these groups come down. I have looked at the question. The u. S. Hispanic chamber of commerce. This is not some its not a fan of the trump trade policy and a Republican Group. Well, not right now its not republican leaning. Ask where they are with us and leaning now . These are the questions that you have to ask. Where are you going to come down and get the most bang for the buck. Thats appealing to the people that ever going to come out there and vote rather than to a small elite group of people who control the organizations and in the pocket of the left and frankly the media is not going help us out in the circumstances at all. You know that. Yeah, youre seeing that without trying and thats the leadership that we have had for a long time and its an assumption by someone on the right that no one on the left will listen and then you know what, thats what you have that. Yeah youre talking about talk to go the elites and the people that are in power and people that control. Were not about that and thats one of the reasons that we in the campaign have focused entirely and going outs to the American People. What youre stuck on is the notion that we have to appeal and satisfy the people that live in the belt way. You dont have to. The American People that live outside of of the belt way is the real america and people out there. Those are the real people that are going to vote by the millions for donald trump. I hear what youre saying and get what youre try to go do that theyre figured with elite. Let me ask you this, if he is going make the appeal, shouldnt that be a good chunk of African American voters and audience at one of the rallies . Does he . Have you ever been to a rally . Have you ever seen . Yeah. Its not the most diverse crowd. Its more diversed than any republican outfit that i have seen and been around it for a long time. Its one of the things that appealed to me and why i inside up with donald trump and the appeal that he had to cross so many of the parts and all of the different aspects of the country. Were try to go do is go out here and relieve the pressure on what we have and the progressives that deliver us as a permanent underclass and trying to fix that. One of the things is growing the economy and the best thing that you can do is go out and appeal to the people that are going to show up and vote opposed to the people that go out here and imagine the news and the cycle everyday that are part of the ruling elites and the city where you live and where i work. Fair. Fair. I hear you there. I am more elite than i think you are. Let me ask you this, donald trump used the phrase war sewn. Take me to the American City that looks like a war zone in iraq. I know the campaigns have it all of the time, but you and i know. Come on. Well the issue here is that you need to ask ron how he is doing in the city of chicago and ask yourself how the people in the southside and how they feel about all of this. Ask them how they feel. You dont have to ask me, but ask them. They would be happy to tell you how it is. Ask them how they feel. I think that they would probably come up with a similar description. Okay. Were going to have a stat later in the show and then its the reaction to it and its the amount of money in the adds thats spent against don aald trump and Hillary Clinton and mark rubio. Theres more ads ran against mark rubio than against Hillary Clinton. How do you react to that . Oh yeah. More ads ran by other Republican Group in the primary directed at rubeio than money so far directed at clinton. Sanders never ran an ad. Thats in the country and thats the ruling class and the countriless and then i refer you back to the 2010 article by angela villo and its one of the greatest political essays written and he laid out the entire issue of the class and ruling class. I will tell you right now that if you have it readily, it explain what is is going on and right now today 2016 and its the cull that nation and thats what is growing movement for the past 30 years, and i am very proud to be part of that and be on the leading edge. Sam, i appreciate the fact that youre a professor and assign the homework. The panel starting to write down the name of this. You bet. You assigned homework. Always a pleasure. Thanks churks ack, and welco back. Let me bring in the panel and susan paige and Clarence Paige and no relation with each other and both married with someone named paige and then super lawyer. Ben, let me start with you and what you have seen out of trump in the last week as a republican. Does it make you feel better that its disciplined even if the message is pret atty aggressive . Yeah, its new people being in charge and proof of the pudding on how affective that it is is what you will see in the senate and house races. So far the senate races are doing just fine. Is it better to have a disciplined candidate as opposed to an undisciplined one . Yeah, thats true for the entire ticket. Yeah, this is something and i look at it and say that he has a problem already. Beating her up on the Health Issues that theres no evidence on is not the best way. Not just the gender gap but the sense of his own credibility. Theres no evidence that he is correct. Now, we would like to know the health of the candidates and the new york times. Yeah by the way we have so little on both of them and unprecedented amounts. In modern times with the reports and the doctors are extensive. Yeah, its 2,000 and then it was a thousand pages. Theres a reason why one candidate does not. She is 68 and he 70. Begin that we dont know any reason to think that Hillary Clintons health is not fine. For him to hurl the charges at her over and over gain reminds me of the issue that you take a charge and make it even if its discredited, its going to have an affect. Clarence, you raised the hand when he said ask people from chicago. Its all yours. Take the floor. Well, i feel like a mosquito. I have too many choices and sam was talking about a republican going out to meet the organizations and i have covered the last organization of the candidates at the naacp and operation push and they talk about elite and thats the best fortune 500. I thought that he made if best. Yeah, he is not coming from Many Organizations and he would know and they have been very friendly and theyre friendly to trump. Yeah, its urbanly. Theres a president ial candidate that you want to meet with. Yeah any way. The war is over. Thats the homicide rate and it was on fox news and then also has been raising the specter of Hillary Clintons health and then also give me some and then for donald trump and then theyre accurate ability this whole thing and thats the context and thats the whole controversy and i they really what we have here and then to go out and meet the organizations and then met with the hispanics and seeing what is happening. I they he may mellow quit a bit and then if he talks to people and the communities. It does look like kelly anne made the case to them and that was the Republican Voters and if you dial it down and whatever you want to call it, immigration and yeah is that enough . Yeah, its the same approach that sam had and the truth is that the leadership is for the Republican Campaign and being able to go to groups that are not intuitively in line with the republican principals because it shows the leadership qualities. And you have to be able to have the credit blth bility to deal e people and then the speech is in and of itself and getting back to the trick and then you have to acknowledge. We will see. It does feel like its interesting one. And then thats between the seas and then clearing up the conclusion and then later after and then its between the states governor and John Bell Edwards and thats going to be coming up later in the show. Stay tuned. announcer vo who says your desk phone always has to be at your desk . Now, with one talk from verizon. Hi, pete. Im glad you called. announcer vo all your phones can Work Together on one number. You can move calls between phones, so conversations can go where you go. Take your time. Im not going anywhere. announcer vo and when youre not available, one talk helps find the right person who is. Hi, john. announcer vo so wherever work takes you, you can put your customers first. Introducing one talk another way verizon connects your business better. 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They wasted no time responding to that news and mike pence saying, the fact that Hillary Clintons official schedule was with the donors is further evidence of the pay to play of the state department. By the way youre not alone if the emails converge into a big mess that may leave you scratching your head and were going try to get and explain the legal questions on both from my next guest. Before we do, let me get to the bottom of where things stands. After weeks of pressure bill clinton announce that had he would step down and would stop accepting donations and theres more to the storely. The clinton down dags and it also has the president ial library and then the partnership and thats come under fire previously and it was established by canadian and works to form. They say that if Hillary Clinton is elected they will be the own mgo and the clinton name will come off of it illegally. Thats not determined if the which i thinks a changes are going to be made and then the alliance for the Clinton Foundation and the american heart association. That groups saying that they do not illicit founding and while it has its own model no changes are in the works and we will see. There are too small to fail and thats the foundation and tells us that because theres no Clinton Foundation and we receive the donation and evaluating if they can survive without the funds and then clinton sweden thats going to be shuttering all together. Both of the foundation and emails play into the long standing narrative that the republicans bit up that Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted. The damaging is that the clintons play by their over set of rules and appearance of it. Joining me now is richard and an to tone fattorney and served on th 9 11 commission. Good to see you. Good to see you chuck. Okay. Start defining the pay to play. You have been in this. What is the Legal Definition of pay to play . Well, that means that someone puts the arm on you in order to provide you with future access. You pay up and make a political contribution to so and sos campaign and then in the future if you want to talk about xyz okay, youre in the club. Nothing that i have seen with the documents remotely resembles what you would call pay to play. Now, is it legal to purchase access. I say it this way. You either feel strongly about this person or if you give a high dollar, youre look for the face time. Now is that defining and is that a legal deaf