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>> reporter: has it hit you, what if you were on the other side of the bench with him? how close you guys were? >> i don't want to think about that. i don't want -- i don't want to think about that. >> here in washington the white house is responding to growing outrage over what experts call a russian show trial for wnba super star brittney griner, the administration officials say the president has read the letter from griner, talking about the terror she feels about never being freed from the prison. >> it's a priority for this president, he is doing everything that he can. he takes this to heart. he take this is job very seriously, especially when it comes to bringing home u.s. nationals who are wrongfully detained, it's a priority. we are going to make it happen. >> and we are following a big development in the georgia investigation in to donald trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election. as a fulton county special grand jury hands down the subpoenas to current and former members of president trump's inner circle, including rudy giuliani and senator lindsey graham, all in an attempt to overturn the 2020 election results. we begin this hour in highland park. we have been learning so much more about the victims and families and friends. suffering through the loss. talk to me about what is happening there in the community? >> reporter: yesterday, we saw vigils throughout the community, it's a community in pain. especially as we learn more about the victims. many of the families not have them come home after going to a fourth of july parade. we are talking about catherine goldstein, her family said she was the kindest most gentle person you will meet. before the shooting happening, she was waving at every float. she was happy, and enjoying the parade. people like jackie sonheim, a preschool teacher and a hard worker there each and every day ready to help the community. >> he liked to walk around and liked get out ring out. these are the stories we are hearing more and more of. and of course, there's people that are lost and still in the hospital, who are injured and shot during the shooting and there's the trauma of some people who just went to the parade, people who were fleeing the gunshots. soelg cal wounds as we heard the state attorney mention yesterday. someone by the name of martha who i met yesterday, had grocery bags in her hand. she hesitated going to the grocery store. this is a community that will be dealing with a lot in the days and weeks to come. we know that counciling services are available for members of the community. you will see people grieving for some time here, andrea. >> grieving, grieving for years and years to come if not for their entire lives. >> none of the red flag laws, including the one in illinois, prevented him from getting the weapon because there was never a formal charge, but the police have been to his house, twice? talk to me about the legal situation. >> a couple of things, first off the red flags is only as good as when they are used. when you look at what happened here, a conviction, whether there was a red flag law or not, would have stopped this, so a conviction would have prevented him from buying the weapons in the first place. that is number one, and number two, as far as the red flag goes, even law enforcement or family member needs to use them , in illinois, you can simply petition a judge if you believe that somebody is a threat to themselves or others and that they have those weapons. you can go to a judge and sign a search warrant and grab the guns and get them away from the individual, there's a legal process that can go on from there. this is not something that is indefinite. that's what needs to happen and law enforcement seized, somebody believed he could be a threat, when they looked at, you know, the totality of the circumstances there was nothing to charge him with a crime. in addition, it's not clear, and we are trying get more information about what may have said about a potential threat. if he was not a threat to himself or others, police could not have used the red flag law either. >> tom, thank you so much. to both of you. and madam mayor, first of all, condolences to you, you are the comforter in chief with your community. i have been watching you and what you are doing and i cannot even imagine being in that situation with those people all suffering. tell me, what about the responsibility of the father who signed off on the gun purchase when he was 19? there have been two -- >> that's a great question. that's a great question. and it's one that i asked the illinois state police and they indicated to me that his father sponsored his application for firearms ownership i.d. card when he was under the age of 21. and at the time, there was not the sufficient basis to establish a clear and present danger and deny the application. what that says to me is, somebody bares responsibility obviously for this to not have been caught, or the likelihood of his behavior, let's talk about the fact that stronger red flag laws are being put in to place. but, they are only as good as the people around the person, and so, family members, friends who knew he was planning this, who thought it was all a joke, should have said something. and there should have been an opportunity for us to stop this. the fact that it was not stopped, the fact that so many of the shootings are not stopped because they are using legally acquired guns tells me that our laws are not doing their job. they are not protecting us. >> you know, i have been covering the issue for a long time, frankly, since you know, since the 1981 assassination attempt on president reagan and jim brady and the way he suffered for his entire life and it changed ronald reagan's view toward guns. people can change. and i know the president was frustrated when he was signing the compromised gun bill. is there any chance that they, that anything could move on capitol hill? they could go back with chris murphy and others and try again to do something more aggressive on background checks? >> i'm urging everybody who will listen to do more. there's no reason that the united states is the only country in the civilized world that allows this kind of carnage to happen with so much regularity. to allow these guns that were basically designed to be effective in combat to be accessible to people all across the country. we as a city passed an assault weapon's ban and large capacity magazine ban in 2013 in the wake of sandy hook, that represented our values. we felt that we needed to take the stand, we had a brief opportunity from the state of illinois legally to do so and we did. i have been working with the state pretty much ever since. we have been trying to remove any limitations, but let's be clear, we don't need a patchwork. we need a nationwide effort to get rid of these combat weapons. there's no place for these in our society. this has been bourn out now, over and over and over again. i have heard from so many mayors that have gone through the experience. they have sent me the handbook that has been sent to mayors after a mass shooting. what does that say for us? we have a handbook for mass shootings. mitch mcconnell gave a speech on mental health. there's mental health issues in every country in the world, there's not mass shootings on such a regular basis anywhere else, and it has to stop. >> i heard you say that in several of your interviews and frankly i am, you know, i'm grateful to hear you say that. you know, you said that you never thought that you would be one of those mayors. that it can happen anywhere. and you know, your town is as iconic in every town usa as there could be from the movies that have been featured there. you know, "home alone," ferris buehler's day off," we all know highland park and gone to parades as recently as two days ago. as you say, there's mental health problems all over the world, but there's not these kinds of mass shootings. >> i have to tell you, the story that will haunt me for if rest of my life. aiden mccarthy. he was found under his father who was on top of him to protect him from the gun. he was being passed around in an underground garage, nobody could figure out who's child it was, and when i realized nobody was panicking and looking for a baby, there could be one conclusion, i have almost threw up. it was unbelievable this poor little boy came with his parents just to celebrate freedom and now has lost his parents. these stories are week after week after week. it is disgusting to me, that anybody thinks it's an okay way for our country to continue to operate. and we need, those who can make the change to make the change or they need to be fired. they need to be removed from office. we need to run for office and take our country back. i'm sorry, i'm so angry. but i am angry. i'm angry for my community. i'm angry for aiden mccarthy. i'm angry for the kid who next week will be aiden mccarthy. this needs to end. >> and i share that, and i usually am very, very careful about being down the middle on this, on all issues. when i saw that, those interviews about aiden mccarthy, i was going to ask you about the little boy. and kathy goldstein. >> looking for her mom, they were in the basement, hiding for their lives. not only did we have the carnage happen, everyone had to hide for hours because he was on the loose and nobody knew what he was going to be doing next. people were hiding in the basements of gas stations for hours. i kept getting texts because we are all a community. we are all a family. you know, kathy was a band member and i'm a band mom. it's unbelievable. where is kathy's mom, nobody had her, we called every hospital because she had already passed away. katie goldstein was a fabulous human being did not deserve to die this way. all the band parents showed up to cheer the band, when i saw them running down the street, i was like, why are they running down the street? it was incomprehensible that war has broken out on our street. they can't go to the park, they can't go to the store, they can't go to school, i'm a teacher and i looked around my classroom after uvalde and said, what do we do? it's a nonsense way to run a country, we need better from our national leaders, we just do. >> thank you so much. thank you for sharing your pain and your outrage. we all need to hear it. >> thank you. >> and we expect to hear from the state's attorney after the suspect's hearing this hour. we are not going to name the suspect, we are going to talk about the victims and survivors. and new subpoenas, senator lindsey graham, facing subpoenas from a grand jury. >> and former trump white house council r pat cipilloni has agreed to an interview, this is msnbc t cipilloni has agreed to an i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. msnb hree ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 54, what's my price? 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this is not an indicting grand jury, as i understand it, there would have to be a report and a grand jury to follow. this is considered by many legal experts to be one of the most potentially dangerous, legally dangerous of the investigations for the president because of that tape of the president talking so importantly, you know, with brad raffensburgers who has testified. >> these subpoenas do have teeth, they can compel reluctant witnesses to testify under oath. once they testify under oath, that testimony can be used and form the basis of an ultimate indictment, so, these are important subpoenas, and i think that people being subpoenaed really provides some interesting legal challenges, because they are all generally related in that, it seems like they all took part in some way, and in either questioning the results of the presidential election or outright trying to overturn the results of the election. each of them is in a slightly different position. they have different opportunities and different challenges. for example, john eastman, one of donald trump's former lawyers, we know that he went before the january 6th committee and pleaded his 5th amendment right more than 100 times. it's really hard to envision that he will do anything but precisely the same thing before the georgia grand jury. probably he will again, invoke his 5th amendment right against self-incrimination and you have rudy giuliani and jenna ellis, and they may well try to assert attorney client privileges to avoid testifying about certain things. then, if we sort of follow the rudy and jenna trail, they also appeared before the georgia state legislature and testified about things that were debunked claims of election fraud in georgia. there would be no attorney/client privilege attending to that type of information. a lot of opportunities and challenges for the witnesses. >> and they could be immunized after taking the 5th. there's a way for a grand jury to compel testimony. you have a sitting senator, lindsey graham, saying that he will prevail. he knows his way around the courtroom. what about the inclusion of lindsey graham? >> it's interesting, when you look at the levels of kind of closest to former president donald trump, clearly senator graham has been a long-time ally of his. it was notable in that statement that his lawyers put out there that he really under lined the fact that he would be just a witness to this. he was not under scrutiny himself. and i think they will challenge it as much as possible. i would expect probably similar maneuvering by rudy giuliani. they want to make it as hard as possible and we will see if he prevails or not, but certainly another way where you are seeing and hearing that senator graham will get trump run for re-election in 2024. remains very, very close to the former president, and we can see what happens there. >> and what about the political impact that ripples through all of this? you know, you have the grand jury in georgia, georgia has been so critical in every aspect. the senate races, turning the senator majority, the president's loss in 2020, and the january 6th hearing. what about donald trump's role and how it could be affected as he is apparently about to declare that he is running again in '24? does he have less clout with republicans other than his immediate base? >> well, we see the cracks. we are seeing more and more of them walk away. i'm interested in the independent voters. they are sitting out here and they are the key to the elections and 40% of them say they don't know enough about what happened on january 6th to form an opinion. and so, the work that the committee is doing, is so important to continue to talk to these voters about what happened. and you know, you know that independent voters know about all that is left there's moments that shine in for them. i think pat cipollone, the president's personal white house attorney will be another big moment and i think it's absolutely, you know, crucial that the committee get these kind of people out in front of the american public to continue to make the case about what happened to the most important jury of all. which is the american voters. thanks to all of you and growing pressure, supporters of wnba star, brittney griner, turning up the heat on the white house to get her released from jail. al sharpton will join me next. . al sharpton will join me next. the day of the heart attack, i was scared. i didn't know what to do. learning that my daughter had a heart attack really shook me. it brings home how important it is to hold on to the people we love and the things that matter to us. aspirin helps reduce the chance of another heart attack by 31%. your heart isn't just yours. aspirin is not appropriate for everyone, so be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. 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[whistling] wnba super star brittney griner's teammates are rallying as pressure mounts for the president to intervene and get her out of the russian jail. reverand sharpton is asking for a clergy visit with griner. the white house is expected to respond today, responding to the growing pressure saying the president has read the emotional letter that griner wrote to mr. biden from jail, and doing everything possible to get her home. >> this is top of mind to the president. i was there when he read the letter. and he takes it to heart. it's a priority. we are going to make this happen, we are going to continue to make sure that we use everything at our disposal, to bring her home. and joining me now is the founder and president, reverend al sharpton, and the host of politics nation. thanks for being with us today. we are calling on the administration to call on the leaders who, that letter was so emotional. she said she is terrified. she is never going to get out. have you heard any response from the white house to your view? >> i have gotten a call from the white house, and i'm waiting to talk to the state department. i have made it clear to them, that it's our intention to go to russia and seek a clergy visit, anybody in any civilized world, or any civilized nation can get visits from clergy. when i had talked to her wife on my radio show and she talked about how even a phone call that was to be arranged for them did not happen. she was concerned about her. and then, when i saw the letter she sent to the president. we need to go face to face, make sure that she is already. let's not forget aundrea, that she has been there 4-1/2 months during the time she has been incarcerated in russia, they have done a swap deal that got one former marine out of russia. and didn't make it part of the deal. we cannot sit by and ignore the fact that she has been marginalized and we cannot explain why. we want to see that is she safe and we want to make sure that the government of the united states make her priority in whatever situations they are doing. they make her a priority to have her released. this, with the question that has been raced -- this is unimaginable and i have committed to her wife and her father. and i will do everything that i can to help bring her home and make sure she is being treated fairly and securely. >> the president did not act himself, and do a prisoner swap for trevor reed, a former marine, which he did in april until the family got to meet with him. and i am told that her wife met with trevor reed and his family, and they told her, until the president gets directly involved, it's not going to work. at the same time, state department believes to be negotiated but i'm told by our sources that they don't expect any action from russia until after her conviction, because they believe she will be convicted, everyone is, there's no fair trial in russia. that could take weeks and she is in the prime of her career, she is 6'9", she is transported to and from jail in a cage. and has no physical exercise. how can this be sustainable? how can we wait months and months? you know, potentially months more? she is missing out on the prime of her career? >> it's not sustainable. you are right, she is put in a cage that is too small for her to ride 2-1/2 hours from the prison to where they are having court to have a ten minute court session in 2-1/2 hours back. she has gone five hours round trip when they have a court session. so, they have a 99% conviction rate. for this to be happening, even with the up roar from the people in her country of all genders and ages and races, it's outrageous. when you say, that unless the president gets involved nothing happens. that is why we are wanting to put this right in the lap of the president by our calling on the white house to arrange for us to go. and the white house to respond. and brittney writing a letter directly to him. we work with the president on many things. i do not believe the president is insensitive. i think we have to get the president's attention on this and hold it on this, as well as we have to give the appeal to russia. and you must have enough humanity and she can get a clergy visit, if not, let russia say to the world, not only are we going to try people and convict them, we won't even let people have the benefit of operating with their faith. so, we are willing to be the ones that stand up and let everyone see what kinds of of people are on both sides of the equation, while a young woman, who has great skills and has achieved great celebrity is being held in the middle. she should not be a political pawn for anybody. and i think faith leaders have a responsibility to stand up and say that on her behalf. >> do you agree with the former russian ambassador, who told me yesterday that he thinks the best, it's a tough step and be willing to trade a terrible criminal convicted arms dealer, trade him for greiner and paul wheeler and the other american hostage? >> he is more qualified than i to talk about who has the right deal and he said, he takes the deal. we were talking about the arms dealer and it would, i agree, it would be another ten year kms the question is, is brittany going to get ten years in russia? is the other two that are detained going to get ten years in russia? what are we trading off here? that we are going to hold somebody else for ten years and have three americans held there for ten years? i don't see it as a fair trade for the american people. and i think that we have got to deal with where's the balance here. i don't see the balance, while brittany was in jail, i cannot stress enough, why wasn't brittney part of that deal? that is why we intend to make the trip. >> thank you so much, reverend al sharpton. you have been following the hearing what do you have? >> we have been following this, and ben robert crimo, iii confessed to his crime in a voluntary statement, told prosecutors that he looked down the sights and aimed and fired at spectators down the street. all told, the investigators found 83 rounds on top of the building. he identified himself and weapons that captured him going to the location on top of that, they say he did admit that he dressed rather, as a woman in order to avoid detection and to be spotted by those in the crowd. it was not challenged for the defense attorney. he has some sort of personal conflict andrea, so we are going to get a new attorney for him at some point soon. the bottom line, ben crimo, iii will be held behind bars, according to prosecutors, he confessed to shooting. >> we believe the officials are coming out of the court room, let's listen to what he has to say. coming up. >> good morning, i'm the lake county state's attorney. this morning a few moments ago the judge ruled that robert crimo, iii would be held without bond and there was probable cause to hold him at this time for seven counts of first degree murder. we have filed those counts alleging the intentional killing of seven individuals. based on the information that the investigation has produced so far the judge found that the evidence was at such a level that he could be held without bond i want to stress it's an ongoing and active investigation with all of the law enforcement partners, if anybody has information we urge you to contact the highland park police department. [ inaudible question ] >> i don't want to kmept on that or answer the question in terms of what our continues to be to look at the information and evidence in the case. we can get back to you on the question, in terms of whether it's been done in the past. i know there's another state in michigan, totally different set of facts. we can get back to you on that. it's not something that i have personally done. [ inaudible question ] his statement was voluntary, he was questioning the highland park police department, he was read his miranda warnings and offered an attorney, he wept in to details about what he has done. he admitted to what he has done. >> did he say why? >> reporter: can you provide insight -- >> no, and i was asked the question if he said why he did it, we don't want to speculate on motives right now i will refer the question to the deputy chief covelli. >> the investigation has gone very much in to what happened after the shooting. what crimo's plan was, investigators did develop some information that it appears when he drove to madison, he was driving around, however, he did see a celebration that was occurring in madison and he seriously contemplated using the firearm in his vehicle to commit another shooting in madison. >> reporter: do you know how much ammunition he had? >> approximately 60 rounds. >> reporter: at that point? >> yes. yes. >> reporter: what about his motivation? >> his motivation is not necessarily clear i don't want to go specific until to what he told investigators. however, he had some kind of affinity to the number 4 and 7, and inverse was 7-4. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> we don't have information that he planned to drive to madison initially to commit another attack. we do believe he was driving around and saw the celebration. >> reporter: did he appear to -- >> indications are that he had not put enough thought and research in it to. >> reporter: have you talked to the female witness that you were looking for yesterday? >> we have not located her yet. >> reporter: you know anything about the affinity for the number 4 and 7? >> it comes from music that he is interested in. >> reporter: what about the weapon, we understand now that he bought -- have you learned more information about that? >> so, in 2020 he bought four weapons. the weapon used in the july 4th attack, celtic sub-200, a remington 700, and a shot gun. in 2021, he purchased a glock 43x, that was after his 21st birthday. [ inaudible question ] >> i cannot speak to why he decided to come back from madison. there was indications that he did not put enough forward to commit another attack. there was questions about the fbi and their response in madison. evidence technicians in madison. and he did dispose of his phone in madison. the madison area and middleton, that phone has been recovered. >> is his father cooperating with the investigation? >> i don't want to go in to levels of cooperation, we are talking to everybody and getting the most cooperation as we can out of everyone. >> high land park notified the state police about the -- is there not a mechanism -- [ inaudible question ] >> i don't want to speak to the state police's protocol or procedure. i believe they issued information about that incident, the information they received and the decision making that went in to the process. that solely rest on them and i don't want to speak to their pro -- protocol. i don't have access to their systems to know that. so i don't want to speak to that. >> reporter: was that recovered on the ground? that was a weapon that fell out of his hand? >> so the rifle used in the shooting was recovered on the ground, it's the object that he dropped. we are waiting to speak to the witness that saw him drop an object wrapped in a red blanket or red cloth. i don't want to speculate on why. there could be a lot of reasons why. >> reporter: did he shoot -- [ inaudible question ] >> all of the shooting was done on the roof. >> reporter: what weapon did he have in madison, wisconsin. >> the celtic sub-200 is what he had in madison. >> reporter: can you -- >> absolutely the fbi victim service response team, they are opening their family assistance center today at noon. that will be open at the highland park high school. it will be open from noon-9:00 p.m. it's for anybody impacted. physically, emotionally by the events that happened in highland park. tomorrow and friday, it will be open from 9 a.m.-9 p.m. and thereafter as needed and additionally, personal affects that were on the parade route are being evaluated by the fbi, evidence response teams that will take a bit of time. the personal effects that were on central between 2nd and green bay, those should be available this afternoon for those that want to collect their appropriate that was left in those areas. the highland park high school. >> reporter: sir, during the bond hearing, there was details about how the shooting happened, you know, just the fact that he relocated, can you sort of summarize what was said in the bond hear something you know the audience could not be judge. he indicated that from the roof of the store the defendant fired emptied one clip of i believe 30 rounds and reloaded a second clip. i belief emptied that clip. i'm not positive and actually reloaded a third time and so that -- those little -- those details may change obviously as the investigation continues, but that's the information that we gave to the judge today. >> passed four background checks despite attempts of attempted suicide. he said he wanted to kill everyone. i have this knife. how is that possible with the state's gun laws? and how frustrating is that? >> a couple things. i made these comments yesterday that we need to increase our awareness of the red flag law. we can get you the details of the red flag now. when i said the words "red flag law," that's a specific restraining order. there is also a process to check individuals before they get their foids. so there are two processes. the illinois state police managed the foid process, that's the fire owner id card under illinois. the illinois state police manage that process. we share the same response on that, which is that you have to get into the details of exactly when the information is given to the state police, what is the level of detail given to the state police and how they deal with that information for the foid application process. there was never a firearm restraining order. that's what i had used the term "red flag." that type of order has never been -- mr. crimo has never been involved in that type of order. that is an order where family members and other individuals can go to a court and ask that somebody have their firearms taken and not be allowed to purchase firearms. to be clear, that did not happen in mr. crimo's case. but a lot of questions have been about the illinois state police internal process. >> did they have -- >> it is on a case-by-case basis and depends on the information they have at the time. to be clear, there were no firearms when they went into the home in 2019. >> there is now an eighth victim. are you going to file additional murder charges? >> i have not heard anything about an eighth victim. >> that is the seventh victim. that is the seventh victim. a total of seven victims have passed. >> did he make any phone calls on the road going to and from madison? >> i can't get into those specifics at this point. >> this is obviously the same type of weapon system that we have seen used in so many attacks across the country. can you reflect on that, that same type of weapon being used in the attack? >> yeah. i was asked about my reflections used in this type of weapon in my attack from my community where it happens to be my hometown. as i said yesterday, the state of illinois and the united states should ban these types of assault weapons. we had this ban from 1994 to 2004 with bipartisan support. bipartisan support. there was a ban of these types of weapons between 1994 and 2004. everything shows that these types of horrifying, devastating incidents went down during that time. my position as a public safety professional, as one of the many individuals responsible for the safety of the people in lake county, we should -- we should have a statewide and national ban on assault weapons. >> so the fact changes -- >> of course. he can -- yes, with the arraignment -- with the arraignment, the arraignment will likely be in august. just to give you the schedule, the next court date was set at july 28th at the request of -- we asked to move that up to late july. he will be represented by the public defender's office. they have one of their most experienced attorneys present in court today. they will consult and this matter will be presented to a grand jury or a judge at some point for additional -- additional hearings regarding the evidence to see if he should be held over for trial. obviously we predict that or we wouldn't have filed the charges and an arraignment will likely be in august. >> yes, thank you for that question. the question was when will the rest of the charges be presented. >> yes, i referred to the fact there were additional charges. many more charges against this department because so many people were hurt. for each individual that was hurt, people can anticipate an attempt murder charge as well as an aggravated battery with a firearm charge. all of those are class x felonies which have obviously serious prison time associated with them. but other people were attempted to be murdered, people who were not shot. so there were many different charges that we are reviewing with respect to the other individuals who have sadly been injured by this. frankly, who were present on the scene, they were shot at. that may also constitute an attempt murder charge. every time he fires a bullet at an individual, he is committing aggravated discharge of a weapon, whether he hit someone or not. there will be many, many more charges coming in the coming weeks. i don't want to say for sure, but i would anticipate all of those charges being presented at one time in late july. >> does this shooting expose a gap in the state's gun laws? the prosecutor -- i'm curious what your thoughts are here. he literally had a gun. there were problems. even if the law worked as designed, he still got a gun. >> well, yeah. the gap in the state's gun laws would be that we don't ban assault weapons, so yes. with respect to the red flag laws, you have to look at the individual. you have to look at it on a case-by-case basis when the information is inputted to people working on all types of public safety issues and how that information is stored, how that information is flagged later. but with respect to -- but with respect to holes in gun laws, we need an assault weapon ban and we need to make sure that the community, we need to make sure that law enforcement is using the red flag law, the firearm restraining order. >> so great question. the question was, how did the 19 knives when you confiscate 19 nooif, how does that affect some of the procedures we have been talking about? many of these have to be answered by the illinois state police because that internal foid process is set by internal isp procedures in terms of getting what's called the foid card in illinois. that's the fire owner id card. again, it is on a case-by-case basis with respect to what they knew. there haven't been any firearms confiscated. that's what i know right now, but the illinois state police have to answer those questions regarding their internal process. >> it would -- yes, it would depend on the details of what was being said about knives, whether anything was being said about firearms. i have not seen that individual police report yet from 2019. >> a couple more. a couple more. >> moments ago, the fbi director christopher wray said federal charges could come. obviously you are the lead. could you talk about your discussion with federal officials as well about possible federal charges. >> the question was to go through some of the discussions with federal officials. u.s. attorney john lausch and i are talking every few hours. he and i are both present at the command post and the police department throughout july 4th and 5th. the u.s. attorney and i were also present yesterday at a press conference and we're talking every few hours as i said. we are constantly evaluating the information. much of the information is digital. much of it has to be evaluated, you know, with a lot of detail, right, with a lot of precision. the fbi is analyzing that information and i would refer you either to director wray or u.s. attorney laush with respect to the timing of the charges. we are working with them constantly. our cyber crime lab is in constant contact with fbi agents. we're all working together. it is all hands on deck as we continue to investigate this ongoing investigation. >> where was his phone recovered? >> i don't want to get into specifics about what he said in the interview and what he didn't say in the interview or what he admitted to or not. but what investigative leads have thus turned up is that while he was driving and he located this celebration occurring in the madison area, he contemplated another attack with the firearm he had in his car. his cell phone was dumped in the 6500 block of university avenue in middleton. that was recovered yesterday by the fbi. and it's being processed right now. >> so what happens now that the bond hearing occurred, the judge held him without bail. he will go through an intake process at the lake county jail. they will go through a number of criteria, questions, and he will be classified on where he should be placed within the jail, depending on how those questions turn up, he might be placed in an individual cell. that's something that the jail will work on and they go through their internal processes. >> where was he at in kenosha? >> did he express any kind of remorse? >> i don't want to get into his demeanor during the interview. >> we'll take two more, guys. two more. sir? >> where was he at? when he went to wisconsin, which way back did he come on 41 by the north chicago police officer. >> he was in madison and middleton, wisconsin. no

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