here is the thing, time is running out. the 2020 census forms have to be printed in just a few weeks. let's bring in nbc's pete williams outside the supreme court. he has been covering the supreme court for nbc news. are you ready for it? for 26 years. that means -- >> but who is counting. >> he knows what he's talking about. also joining us maya wiley senior vice president for social justice at the new school. pete, bra he can this down for us. the court's decision, it's not that you can't ask the question, it's the way the administration handled it? >> reporter: precisely. the court said, for example, that it would not violate the constitution's command that you have to enumerate the population if you added this question. that was one of the arguments that the challengers made, that this would so skew the process that you would never get an accurate count. the supreme court rejected that argument. so i think you all have framed it precisely. what happens now is the supreme court said the explanation you gave us doesn't wash. don't come up here and lie to us is basically what it says, that's not an adequate explanation. namely, the explanation by the commerce secretary, wilbur ross, that he decided to add this question only after he got a letter from the justice department saying we need this data to better enforce the voting rights act. the supreme court basically said that's not true. he was thinking about this way before that. so what they've done is they've sent it back to the court where this came from. according to york they ruled in favor of 18 states and other groups that challenged this decision to put the citizenship question on and that court had sent it back to the census bureau to say try again. tell us now why you really want this question. so that's where it stands. the census bureau can come back now, they will go to the judge in new york, he will probably rule against them, the trump administration will ask the supreme court to take the case and the question is by the time all that has played out, has it simply been too late to get this process going. >> peter, isn't that stunning? a cabinet member isn't honest about the way in which he makes a request that major. are there any consequences for secretary ross? >> well, yeah, right now the census -- the census bureau can't put that question on the census form. that's a pretty big slap-down to him saying you weren't honest with us with the supreme court. now, as you pointed out, the government has been insistent that it had to have a decision by the end of this month in order to start the process to prepare the forms. is it now going to decide there's actually more play in the joints? if it speeds the process up and does it later in the year would it have to go back to congress and get more money? all of which is to say i really can't make a prediction about whether this question will be on the census form or not. there are some legal experts including tom goldstein who we had on earlier today who said he thinks they probably could get it on but there is no unanimity on that. this is not the end of the game but certainly a big setback for the trump administration's efforts to do this. >> okay. so that's the story of the efforts to do it and the court and the legality. i think there are a lot of people in america and in some hours i think of myself as one of them, who are not sure what the implication is of this. maya, ucla survey found if you added a citizenship question to the census up to 10% of the population would likely not respond. i think we can't ask enough why does this matter and what are the implications? >> don't you think the average person might be like, yeah, sure, why wouldn't you? >> right. >> i think this is exactly the problem. we are in a context in which folks even if they are in the country legally have felt har s harassed by immigration services. we have a child who was literally crossing the border from mexico into the united states and had a passport who was detained for hours and the threats of raids. remember that the enumeration isn't about citizenship, the enumeration is about how many people are here and under what conditions. and so if we create an environment in which people feel like they can't safely answer the question, meaning it might be used against them in some way, whether legally legitimate or not and results in them not answering it, the reality is we will see states losing potentially congressional seats because of an undercount of population. in fact, new york state, for example, lost two seats in the last round. traditionally low income people of color and rural communities are undercounted. that means both political voice but it also means dollars, things like how much money is allocated, for instance, for school lunch. that impacts everyone. so the most important issue here is not making people afraid, but enabling them to count. that's why the careerists in the census bureau did not want this question. >> pete, i want to go back to this case because you and i and maya and stephanie and i had been talking weeks ago when evidence came out from the files of a republican strategist who had died, his daughter had looked at his files and it showed that adding the citizenship question would be, quote, advantageous to republicans and nonhispanic whites. at that point the supreme court had already heard all the arguments and we were trying to determine whether or not that was going to have any impact on the case. did it? >> reporter: apparently not, but it may yet have an impact because there is a separate case here halves in maryland that raised an entirely different question than was before the supreme court today and that is does including this form violate -- is it discriminatory? does it violate the equal protection guarantee of the constitution? that court in maryland said yes. the fourth circuit court of appeals had that case and sent it back there. that could be another challenge that works its way up. i mean, that's a flanking maneuver that's separate from this case that was decided on today that is potentially another obstacle to the census bureau getting this question on the form. so i don't know how that's going to play out, either, but that is very much a lurking problem for the administration. >> pete, dig into this for us, this other decision that came on partisan gerrymandering. explain it all. >> reporter: sure. so this is the question, it was from two states, one in which the republicans in north carolina did everything they could to minimize the number of seats in congress, the democrats could get, and just the opposite in maryland where the democrats were trying to limit republicans in congress from their state. in both states the claim was that the state legislatures engaged -- were so partisan, was engaged in such blatant partisan gerrymandering that it crossed a constitutional line. today the supreme court said in two separate rulings that's not a question we can answer because we don't know where that constitutional line is. gerrymandering, drawing these boundaries, is a quintessential political -- partisan political act and we don't know what the standard is. it's in the for us as judges to answer that question. so that would seem to shut the door. you know, this is, i think, the third or fourth time somebody has tried to get one of these partisan gerrymandering cases, the closest they came was a case from pennsylvania about i think ten years ago in which anthony kennedy said, do you know what, i think maybe there is something to this idea, i just don't know what the test is, and other cases have come along trying to lay down such a test, but today the supreme court said forget it. we just can't decide this fundamentally partisan question, political question, and this one was a 5-4 vote along the traditional ideological lines. the census decision was not, it was the chief justice plus the four liberals. >> pete, i can't believe stephanie said, yeah, just explain the whole thing to us and you did. pete williams and maya wiley, thank you to both of you for that. what were you listening to back there? >> i was actually just thinking i would make a terrible supreme court justice. >> you and me both. >> it's good i'm not up for the job. you know, here we are in the room where the debate is going to take place tonight behind us right now, former governor of the state of colorado, john hickenlooper, he and his team preparing, getting positioned, you know, making sure his shoes don't slide across the floor when he walks in. >> mark greenstein, he is our guy, he has been responsible for a lot of this operation, so they are talking these things through. >> logistics. >> logistics, yes. i think you would be actually very good on the supreme court. >> i wouldn't. >> you are a sensible and you -- you know, you ask very obvious questions. like the questions you ask, it's like how do you even think that up. i don't mean that in a bad way. >> that might put me more in a judge judy lane but not a supreme court justice. >> i would definitely watch that, judge steph. could be a historic night tonight, this is the second night of the debates. the remaining 10 of the 20 democrats that made it into the debate as you know there are still some that aren't in the debate. this is the lineup for tonight. let's bring in nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki. steve, let's take a look at the top polling candidates who are going to be on the stage tonight. >> look, this democratic race we talk about how there's dozens of candidates out there, but really so far there have been five candidates who have really made noise in the polling nationally and four of them are going to be on the stage tonight right next to each other, buttigieg, biden, sanders, harris. four of the top five polling candidates nationally in the democratic race are all there, the only one who is missing, elizabeth warren, obviously she was center stage last night. so in this one here you've got basically the heavy hitters and, again, the stage is kind of the podiums are arranged based on the polling here working from the outside in, so you've got the four of them right in the middle. of course, i think in particular what folks are looking at are these two right next to each other, biden and sanders. you saw that issue that came up last night, one of the issues that came up last night that folks are talking about today is when that question was asked do you want to get rid of private health insurance, elizabeth warren said she was on board with that, that is the sanders position as well. is that a message that sanders leans into tonight? does he challenge biden on that. >> how does biden respond, especially with them right next to each other, some very interesting potential for contrast tonight. >> you are packed with heavy hitters who are not afraid to let it rip. if you are michael bennet, eric swalwell, andrew yang, what are you going to do to get noticed? >> it's hard because there are these head liner candidates. steve kornacki, we will be watching this closely and discussing the healthcare issues that did come up last night. there were claims made last night about what happens if you go without a public option or for full universal healthcare or medicare for all. we will talk about that in a while. and we're going to speak with two presidential contenders. >> how about just that. >> eric swalwell will join us and former congressman john delaney who had some of the stuff to say about yesterday's healthcare discussion. he will be joining us as well very shortly. >> and you know that debate stage is heating up over immigration. >> i think that you should do your homework on this issue. if you did your homework -- >> instead of talking about division -- >> two who know immigration well, julian castro and beto o'rourke go at it over one specific but very important part of immigration law. but first heart wrenching, there is no other way to put it, heart wrenching words out of the mouths of migrant children. we are in a metal cage and i'm so hungry that i've woken up in the middle of the night are hunger. those are the words, that is the testimony from children in border patrol custody. >> american government custody. >> the new details on the oncrisis at the border next. you're watching velshi and ruhle on msnbc. you're watching velshi and ruhle on msnbc they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? 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>> that's in the custody of health and human services, the facility here in homestead. that's the biggest one. bernie sanders and his wife jane who are down there right now, brn kree was there earlier today, his wife was there yesterday. this is about if you remember that viral video with the lawyer arguing for the trump administration. >> yes. >> they didn't need to have tooth brushes, this he didn't need to have soap, this was directly related to that case. i want to read some of the stuff in the declarations. it truly shocking. this is from a 16-year-old female. we are in a metal cage with 20 other teenagers with babies and young children. we have one mat and we need to share with each other. it is very cold. a 12-year-old boy, i'm hungry here at clint all the time. sometimes i wake up from hunger at 4:00 a.m., sometimes at other hours, i'm too scared to ask the officials for any more food. one more, 16-year-old female. we slept on mats on the floor, they gave us aluminum blankets, they took our babies' diapers, formula and belongings, our clothes were wet and we were cold so we got sick. there are more of these. >> and where are they? ? this is the clint facility that gabe gutierrez has been reporting from from the past couple days. >> texas. >> what's important to know about this is that the judge that's overseeing this case grants a temporary restraining order, a couple things could happen, she could immediately request that they go in there with water, with pediatricians, other remedies to help these children. the other thing is hold someone from cbp in contempt, she could put somebody in jail, order a big fine. i talked to one of the lawyers that filed this temporary retrainir restraining order request today and there are a whole range of options. there could be serious consequences for what's going on right now in custody in the clint facility. >> the facility you were in yesterday whereabouts was, where bill de blasio was earlier today. >> yeah. >> has anyone been inside? do we know the conditions there? >> no, and just to be clear i actually -- i didn't request to go inside yesterday and i didn't get inside yesterday. it is very difficult to get inside these facilities whether they are hhs or border patrol faciliti facilities. mariana a stens joe has been inside the homestead facility, but it was last year. last time i was there was last august. looking over the fence there were temporary tents all over the place. >> the "miami herald" is most recent to report it. caliburn who owns this was granted in the last 16 months half a billion dollars. >> to operate this place. do you know who is on the board of that company? >> john kelly. >> since john kelly joined the board they got a $341 million no bid contract. >> here is another reason why i think you would be a good judge, you keep asking the question that i think everybody on the other side this have camera is asking. the federal government is using our tax dollars to pay for these things and you can't get access and cal perry can't get access, and eric swalwell can't get in. you are not government, you are not paid for by the taxpayers, but members of congress, congress is supposed to ultimately have oversight for these things and there isn't any. >> allie, this is why people feel frustrated even when they talk about where their tax dollars go. when you see half a billion dollars go to a private prison company and say, i'm sorry, where is the money going? >> if you are a member of congress, you want to go inside and take a look at where these taxpayer dollars are going into the pocket of john kelly and others that are on the board, right now the rule is you have to have two week warning. even if you are a member of the senate, a member of the house, you have to call two weeks in advance to arrange a tour to go inside. the issue is transparency here. if you want to know what's going on today you have to ask two weeks ago what's going on today. >> if i'm caliburn and i know i'm operating a really good company and all of this is fair, i would come forward. i would say here is our budgets, here is how we treat these kids, here is where your -- >> this is why you should spend the money with us. >> it's and not just them. that's for hhs. with i.c.e. detention you have the gio group and core civic, two massive private prison companies running the majority of detention for immigrants detained within this country. they are donating money all the time to politicians in this country. >> you saw a huge spike at the end of the obama administration. obama was trying to phase out of working with private prisons, elizabeth warren has said she wants to get out of that business. we saw a spike in working with private prisons after the president got some massive donations. >> we are at a time when there are more families than ever before coming into this country and being detained by the government of the united states and at the same time there are private individuals in this country profiting from those people being locked up. >> a perverse incentive as we call it in economics. jacob, thank you very much. thanks for your continued coverage. >> john kelly served in our military for over four decades and now as a private citizen he sits on a board of a company half a billion dollars. another big topic tonights candidates will deal with is healthcare. will there be a hand raising moment over public versus private insurance. former congressman john delaney joins us to continue the conversation started last night. e conversation started last night. i didn't have to run for help. i didn't have to call 911. and i didn't have to come get you. because you didn't have another heart attack. not today. you took our conversation about your chronic coronary artery disease to heart. even with a stent procedure, your condition can get worse over time and keep you at risk of blood clots. so you added xarelto® to help keep you protected. xarelto® - a blood thinner approved by the fda - when taken with low-dose aspirin is proven to further reduce the risk of blood clots that can cause heart attack, stroke, or cardiovascular death in people with chronic cad. that's because while aspirin can help, a recent study showed it may not be enough to manage your underlying risk of blood clots. in a clinical trial, almost 96% of people taking xarelto® did not have a cardiovascular event. don't stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase your risk of heart attack, stroke, or cardiovascular death. while taking, you may bruise more easily or take longer for bleeding to stop. xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. it may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. get help right away for unexpected bleeding or unusual bruising. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. before starting, tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures and any kidney or liver problems. enjoy every moment - and help protect yourself from an unexpected one like a serious cardiovascular event. are you doing enough? 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just a show of hands to start off with. >> we should give everyone this this country healthcare as a basic human right for free, full stop, but we should also give them the option to buy private insurance. why do we have to stand for taking away something from people? >> and there's the divide. joining us now senior vice president of the kaiser family foundation larry levitt. larry, medicare for all, it's a very complicated issue. break down for us where the divide s especially among those candidates and what they are trying to say. >> yeah, i mean, the democrats all agree that we should push towards universal coverage, cover everyone like every other country does, but the divide is on how to get there. there's a group of candidates, elizabeth warren, senator sanders, who are pushing medicare for all. there are two bills in congress right now that would create a medicare for all program that would eliminate copays and deductibles, provide coverage to everyone, but it would also eliminate private health insurance. everyone would be in a government-run plan called medicare. you know, there's another group of candidates who want to move more slowly, who want to provide a public option or a buy in, so essentially give people the option of going into a program like medicare but not require it. allow employers to keep providing insurance and allow private insurers to stay in the market. >> can both exist at the same time? cuff -- because our private insurance industry is so big and it has infrastructure that no other developed country has and it's -- >> and power. >> power and a power that they want to keep. can you do both? cuff a public option or something that feels like medicare for all, but also a public system or are they mutually exclusive? >> you're right, i mean, the power of the private insurance industry is enormous. i mean, we spend $229 billion a year on insurance overhead and profit and that gives you a sense of the kind of opportunity that's here to save money through a more efficient system like medicare, which spends just a few percent of total healthcare costs on administration, but it gives you a sense of who you hard the private insurance industry is going to fight to stay in business as well. you know, look, this is all new, right, we have never done any of this before. we haven't had a medicare for all system, we haven't had a public option. so it's unclear whether you could have essentially a market where a public program like medicare and private insurers coexist or essentially compete. i think the one example we have is actually the current medicare program. the current medicare program is government run, people can go into traditional medicare, but people can also choose private medicare advantage plans, private insurers and in fact over 20 million medicare beneficiaries seniors are in these medicare advantage plans. that's maybe the bess example we have of how you could have kind of private insurance and a public system like medicare coexist. >> before we say good-bye we will talk to john delaney in just a minute. the point he brought up is if you went for a medicare for all system and didn't have a private option a lot of hospitals would be reimbursed at the medicare rates and that would cause a lot of hospitals to close. fact check that for me. >> yeah, i mean, it's interesting. there's been this focus on the affect on private insurers in eliminating private insurance. maybe the biggest effect is on hospitals. i mean, private insurers now pay hospitals upwards of double what medicare pays. under a medicare for all plan if hospitals are getting paid solely based on those medicare rates they would have -- they would lose a lot of money and they would either go out of business or more likely they would just have to reduce their costs. >> larry, good to see you. thank you, as always, for joining us. larry levitt, the kaiser family foundation senior vice president. as we just said 2020 contender and former congressman john delaney joins us right now. you seem to like that response from larry. >> i think he's saying the truth. i mean, i travel around this country and i go to rural america quite a bit and we have a crisis in healthcare in rural america and there's not one rural hospital in this country that would stay open if we had medicare for all based on the way it's described in that bill. just they would all close. they are all just on the edge. medicare rates as the gentleman just said are half of the rates of private insurance. about a third of their patients are private insurance. if you cut the reimbursement rates of a third of their patients by half and they're running barely breaking even they would close. it's just something that no one talks about. >> so hospitals would close, but what about all the people out there who are on private insurance and are okay with it, people in park ridge, new jersey, and villanova, pennsylvania, how are they going to react when we say -- when the government says, do you know what, all government funded, no more private insurance? >> we will lose the election by 10 points because it will never happen. if you go to most americans healthcare is their number one issue, like our seniors, the gentleman from kaiser talked about medicare advantage. that is private insurance. half of our seniors are selecting it. imagine how we're going to do in the 2020 election if we go out to the seniors in this country and say medicare advantage which you've selected and obviously like and they are selecting it in huge numbers, it's no you illegal. none will vote for the democrats, why would they? it's the most important thing in their life. >> how do you get this message across and get it to stick? i think about the republican debates a few years ago and people who came prepared, who did homework, who had very good reputations, who operated within the lines -- >> we are in the wilderness now. >> -- which you did last night are people like john kasich and jeb bush and president trump decimated them. >> right. >> how are you going to make yourself stand out? while people would say you didn't win or lose last night, some could say it wasn't a night of impact for you. >> well, on healthcare it was. right? i think on healthcare it was. this is the number one issue. you travel all around this country, you know this, stephanie, the things most americans care about is what's going on with their healthcare, it's the number one issue. we are following someone on this issue -- i mean, a bunch of the people on the stage with me, senator warren, she outsourced her healthcare plan to senator sanders basically. >> why didn't you take that shot last night? >> i did. i mean, i was talk being t you know, this is the problem we have, right? they are all just following this person, he is a he not even a democrat, i mean, when i -- >> why are you saying this person. >> senator sanders. >> so say it. >> i just said t she outsourced her plan to senator sanders. and that's a huge problem. he is not even a democrat. when i first announced i was running for president everyone said you have to be on the medicare for all -- >> that's a nonstarter, i'm a canadian and i believe that senator sanders' plan is the best one to bring our costs down because it's what most other developed countries have. >> no, it's not -- >> it is. >> no, it's not. germany, france, denmark, sweden, they have mixed models. >> they are universal healthcare models. >> i'm calling for universal healthcare, too. why do we also have to say you lose your option. >> a french hospital and a swiss hospital do not get different rates based on the way in which a person is insured. so your argument about rates is an interesting argument and larry suggests its right, but the idea that you're pinning that on weirdness on bernie sanders, i'm just telling you 54 other countries have it. every other oecd company has some form of universality in which everybody's rates are paid at the same level. >> i'm sorry, but you are wrong about that. they have universal healthcare but they don't have a single-payer system. medicare for all is a single-payer system. >> no it's not. >> yes, it is. >> it's not. it's an insurance system. >> medicare for all is not an insurance system. >> it is an insurance system. it's a payment that reimburses something that's charged. that's not how single payer system works. that's not how the uk works or the how the canadian system works. >> medicare for all is a single pair -- do you know what medicare advantage is? >> yes. >> it is a program that is over and above the basic costs of medicare that most people get because medicare doesn't pay the full costs. >> it's not more expensive. you get it for the same price and -- >> it's -- >> no, this is important. medicare advantage if you and i were turning of 5 we could choose medicare advantage. we get more benefits. >> it's a higher cost program. >> no, it's not. >> it's not higher cost to you but the cost of the program is higher. >> it's not. the government pays medicare advantage providers the same rates. >> who pays the extra cost? if you're getting more out of -- >> they run it more efficiently. >> because? >> because they have networks and they advantage the care. >> right. that's what a larger system, a universal system does. >> but medicare doesn't do that right now. >> right. that's why bernie sanders is calling for medicare for all so that everything is networked. >> what you just said about medicare advantage is not true. it is an option that our seniors get, they don't pay anything more for it. >> i understand, john, but whether the senior pays for it, the insurance system pays for it, the government pays for t your private insurance pays for t there are higher costs and lower costs. when i say something costs more and you say it doesn't cost the user more, it costs the system more. so the united states pays more than double what all industrialized countries pay for healthcare, that's a most that might be born for you, might be -- >> but there's a reason for it. if you need a specialist in the uk it's not emergency care you've got to wait about nine months. >> that's just not true. >> it is, too, true. i just had a friend of mine who had a hip replacement in the uk that had to wait nine months. >> okay. come on. come on. >> i think you have to have your facts right. >> listen, my facts are 100% right. the gentleman from kaiser just confirmed it. medicare doesn't pay the cost of healthcare. that's a fact. private insurance pays twice what medicare does for hospitals. if every hospital were reimbursed at the medicare rate they would close. so what's your answer to that? what's your answer to that? >> my argument -- >> you're basically arguing that hospitals should close. this is economics, you are an economist. you have to understand -- >> that's fine. i'm not making that argument at all. >> what's your argument to 150 million americans who are going to lose their healthcare. >> why would you lose your healthcare? >> because it makes it illegal. >> i'm not going to get -- >> here is an example, what if this new medicare for all program doesn't reimburse -- >> means everybody gets it. there are 11 basic health benefits, guaranteed health benefits that were there under obamacare. i'm not arguing it's a better deal, i'm telling you your argument that people are losing healthcare under it is incorrect. >> it is correct. >> it's just not correct. the for all part means for all. >> okay. do you know what -- >> but it's your choice. how do you know the medicare for all benefits will be the same? again, my dad the union electrician he loved his healthcare that he got through the ibew. if my dad were alive and i were to say you have to get off that ibew and trust me we will have this great new government plan, he would be like let me see it yet. >> i hear why people would be frustrated i'm just saying it's coverage for all people. it may not be at the level that you're used to when your insurance company pays twice as much as medicare. >> what are the people who then have -- >> they are not losing their healthcare. >> i never said they lost their healthcare. >> ali, the point is they would be taking a leap, a risk and do you believe that millions of americans who currently have healthcare want to take that risk? >> i agree that that would be difficult for them, but i think -- >> do you agree that hospitals closing is a problem? did you see the "washington post" two weeks ago that had a story about what's going on in rural healthcare, these portable clinics come in. >> we covered that story. >> that's what's happening in rural america. >> that's not because medicare for all is there. that's because they don't have healthcare. >> we're aging as a society so a hospital's patient mix is changing. it used to have more commercial insurance payments and higher rates, now they're getting more medicare patients at lower rates, that's causing hospitals in rural america to close. >> i think we will agree on a lot of these issues, i just wanted to be clear for medicare for all means medicare for all people. >> i never said it didn't give anyone healthcare coverage. my plan does, too. >> i think that's what you said. >> no. >> we're going to leave it there. before we go, john, your last point of the night is that you want to make america work again. >> that's right. >> you didn't get that point in until the very last moment of the night. are you frustrated with how the night went? do you -- >> i would have loved more time, right? i don't think the way the time was allocated was at all fair. i would have loved more time because i think there's a lot of -- >> why didn't you take it? bill de blasio did. >> i took as much as his. they said i tried to interrupt eight times which was the most of the evening. so, you know, i'm from jersey so i fought my way inasmuch as i could. >> you get the most tenacious award. >> that's what actually someone just gave me. the person who interrupted the most was me. >> there you go. >> there's something. >> john, thank you so much for joining us. congressman john delaney from the state of maryland. do you know what, he just gave a shout out to jersey. in moments we will take you to another presidential candidate congressman eric swalwell who just did his debate walk through. you are watching "velshi and ruhle." we are less than eight hours away from night two of the first democratic debate. are any of the candidates convincing voters that they can keep the economy humming? 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>> his name is rudy giuliani. >> and what the president says is disingenuous. there is no prohibition of the federal government asking people whether their citizenship is in any place that matters. there are places where your citizenship is a required -- a requirement, a requirement of certain benefits. that's just not true that the court didn't say that the federal government doesn't have a right to ask about citizenship. it didn't even say that the federal government doesn't have a right to ask about citizenship on the census. it said that the government dishonestly tried to get this question on to the census so they can try again, but it may not make it before the next census or because the census papers have to be printed. now the president says he wants to delay the census. >> had which will lur ross not lied in how he was going after this, they may have gotten their way. when you say only in america, you might want to say only you, wilb wilbur. >> as we mentioned tonight is part two of the first democratic debate, a contender we will be seeing on that debate stage a democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. the congressman joins us live. your reaction to that, a, you are a united states congressman, b, you are a lawyer, c, you live in a state that deals with immigration issues and has a number of people in it who are undocumented, the very people ucla did a study that said if you put the citizenship question on 10% of people won't fill out the citizenship census. >> if you are an immigrant in america there's nothing this president won't do to break up your family, cage your children or erase your existence through the weaponization of the census. there is nothing we don't do in congress, in the courts or at the ballot box to beat him. we beat him here and will continue to do that. he is trying to truly erase the existence of so many hispanic families in america and it's not going to work. >> what's your game plan tonight? you are on a crowded at the same time and you've got joe biden, you've got bernie sanders, you've got people that are going to occupy a whole lot of space and time and energy. how are you going to get in and make an impact? >> i'm going to introduce myself to the person people. they are going to see someone who knows why they work so hard because i was the first in my family to go to college, paying off student loan debt today, into i wife and i are fighting insurance companies -- >> do you think that's going to land with millions of people. >> they have to know who i am first. someone who has stood up to the russians, stood up to the nra, when you put me on the debate stage with donald trump i'm going to beat him there. i married a hoosier from indiana, elected in a diverse part of california. >> what are you fighting for what you think millions of americans want? >> the into you tour. >> what does that mean? >> we have a president he threatens us in a lot of ways but he threatens us in the most way by living in the past. >> how are you going to make my life better? >> i'm going to invest in opportunity for people who aren't seeing it in disconnected communities, that's where i grew up in iowa, places where the best exports are people who move away and go to college and never come back. so through rural broadband investments, through making sure that we get rid of student debt for anyone who goes into a disconnected community, through bringing capital and research dollars in the life sciences to find cures in our lifetime but put those jobs into places that have seen a lot of manufacturing losses. this is an election about the future, we can't put a candidate on the stage next to donald trump who has staler ideas than he does. >> is that you taking a thinly veiled dig at joe biden. >> i led the effort in congress to bring the next generation of leaders to congress. we've got 28 new candidates, new members of congress, in our 40s and under so i see a moment to seize with the right president in the white house. >> are you going to make that point on stage? to stephanie's point that does sound a bit about joe biden. >> or bernie. >> or bernie. >> you will never go after bernie on age and they always go after joe biden. they are in the same age zone. >> climate, student loan debt, the fear that parents have when they send their kids to school that's because of inaction in the past and i think we need a leader who is living in the present thinking about the future. i have worked in congress to bring the next generation of people who are just like me, who weren't millionaires before they got to congress who livee way e americans dream i want to make that case tonight. that's the way we beat donald trump. >> what are you trying to do in student loans? you agree with elizabeth warren you want to forgive student loan debt. >> >> no, i want to bring the interest rate to zero, sign into law a bipartisan legislation i've been working on that would let employers contribute tax free to their employee's student loan let and if you go to college and you do work study and get out in four years and take a job and do community service where a place needs it, it's a debt-free education. you work for college, serve a place that needs it, debt free. i still think in america, you know, this is a place where we're resilient and work hard, that hard work should add up to a debt free education if you're helping someone else. >> we have had a lot of conversations about the mueller report, you are on the house intelligence committee, you are going to be hearing live from robert mueller. there are -- the white house has said this is your attempt at a do over. what are you hoping to get out of robert mueller who did last time he talked to the country say i'm not saying anything that's not in my report. >> the american people are going to see just how much of a threat to our country donald trump s i'm one of three people in congress who has the deepest access to the mueller report because i'm on the judiciary and intelligence committee. i can tell you nothing in that report says that the russians will top or have stopped everything that they did in the last two years. so he is a clear and present danger, a threat, that's why i think we need to begin impeachment proceedings guest him immediately because our next election at is stake. >> there's new reporting out that only a few people are going to be able to question robert mueller. are you one of those people? >> we are still sorting out how we are going to do that. again, i'm on both committees, i know what the threat s that's why i think impeachment proceedings for this president, mnuchin and barr and anyone else that's going to obstruct us from getting the information we need. >> do you plan on raising donald trump tonight on the debate stage? some said that donald trump in many ways won last night because he wasn't really spoken about that much. if you even think about donald trump headlines in the last week, a rape accusation, getting very close to striking iran. >> the mueller testimony. >> the mueller testimony. theres a lot that could have been covered last night, especially if you want to tell the american people we need to get this guy out of office and it didn't happen last night, are you going to bring it tonight? >> i'm not going to put my hands over my ears and say none of this is happening. this is happening. we are on this stage because of the danger that donald trump po he ises to us. i don't think we can't talk about t but i don't want us to aim so low to think all we're doing is beating donald trump. i believe the promise of america is you work hard and dream bigger. these problems on student debt, gun violence will persist beyond donald trump so we need a leader who will solve them. >> you were at homestead and you come from california so you are pretty in tune to what's going on at the border. i want to read another quote from the court case in which we are hearing testimony of some of these children in the clint facility in texas. one of whom writes, i'm too scared to ask officials here for any more food even though there is not enough food here for me. we slept on mats on the floor and they gave us aluminum blankets. we took our babies' diapers, baby formula and all of our belongings. my baby got wet i had to take his pants off two days ago and i have not been able to get in i pants for him. this is 2019 in america in a facility -- this is not like some weird nursing home story where they've failed in being regulated properly. these are government financed facilities. >> that are getting hundreds of millions of dollars. for anyone who says -- >> taxpayer money. >> -- why should we be giving migrants any money, we are already spending the money. >> i would end any private facilities. no private facilities should profit in in way. second, i've seen these children. the problem is this president does not and they are going to keep coming here just as any one of us would in their situation until we have a plan to address opportunity and security in their country. day one i will put those children with families of their own or families raising their hands saying i will take them. also i want american people to know that i will also fight for your family. if you have a homeless family member, if you have an addicted family member, i'm going to fight for them just as hard as i'm going to fight for an i'm grant to came here. >> quick question, can't you ask for any of this information, can't you do anything about it now? you are not a private citizen, you are a member of congress. >> i went to that facility on monday and asked to go in. >> cal perry was with you. >> a spot check and i was denied entrance. >> unbelievable. >> i was denied entry. >> you were denied entry because you asked for it that way. if you made a request and said could i come in a few weeks they will let you in. >> it's a clean up job, they will put on the best show so you don't see the true conditions. i think any member of congress who shows up and says i have a responsibility to make sure these kids are safe and i said, fine, you are not going to let me in, can you look me in the eye parent to parent and assure me these kids are safe. >> and he said talk to the chief information officer. >> as a member of congress you are no the allowed to say why did we just give a $300 million no bid contract to this private facility. you are not allowed to ask anyone that request he. >> we're going that question and we are not going to fund any more private detention. >> how did it happen already? it happened while you've been in office and trump is in office. >> there should be no private detention beds. as president that eds on day one, these families will be reunited. we will have smart security on our border but you can build thousands of walls, put thousands of agents on the border, until you go beyond the border and understand the conditions there and get the private sector invested, too. >> they're invested, it's the private prison. >> they can invest in central american countries so it's not just u.s. government taxpayer dollars. >> congressman wall swell, good to see you. a 2020 presidential candidate. he is a member of the -- you are on the intel committee, right? >> that's right and judiciary. >> both committees, of course. thank you for joining us. andrew yang is doing his walk through on the stage behind us. he is an entrepreneur, he is an outsider, he wants to -- >> wants to talk fourth industrial revolution tonight. >> and universal basic income and he has written a book with all of his policies in it. you're watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. you're watching "velshi and rue"hl live on msnbc of savings and service. whoa. travis in it made it. it's amazing. oh is that travis's app? 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if you watched last night, i mean, yes, elizabeth warren led with it, but when you walked away at the end of the night did you really feel like the economy and jobs were front and center? >> answer that in 30 seconds, please. >> look, a lot of the questions took them in other directions, guns, immigration, that sort of thing. no, i do think that the larger issues of income and wealth inequality and wage stagnation among middle and working class people are the backdrop of this election. it was the backdrop for donald trump in 2016 and all these candidates are figuring out how to address it and the request he is do you address it aggressively, structural change or more slowly and moderately like joe biden is talking about. >> structural change you are talking about bernie, talking about elizabeth warren. >> exactly, the people manning the far left end of the speck interest um. >> for every person on that stage looking at america the question is are you better off. >> he knows how to answer questions in tv schedule. thank you. right now we hand off to a friend and colleague kasie hunt. >> good afternoon, i am kasie hunt, live from the spin room. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. here in miami where we are getting ready for round two in just a few hours. ten more democratic contenders will take the stage at knight's hall, among them former vice president joe biden who has been leading the field. this is his first presidential debate as a front runner. how will he handle that pressure? 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