Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Attorney for the Southern District of new york elly honing. Julia, start with you. Did somebody tell the president he could take over this investigation . Where is it coming from . Seems to just be coming out of his adlib interview as he frequently does. Sort of spins from the cuff here. Seems that this is coming from a place of increased rhetoric from President Trump. He wants to show that he has control over the situation. In fact a lot of times likes bringing up the russia investigation. Perhaps that plays to his base who thinks this is part of the witchhunt he describes treating him and others like Paul Manafort unfairly. It could be that hes watching what the coverage of the Manafort Trial, thats getting to him. Could be he sees people like don mcgahn, his white house Special Counsel speaking to Robert Mueller and heard a lot about the fact Robert Mueller could be preparing a slew of indictments to give himself space before midterms possible coming before labor day. All of those things could trigger him, amping up the
temperature for him to be coming out saying this. You laid it ow perfectly. No way he could run this. The Justice Department is the arm of the Executive Branch that can criminally prosecute. The white house cannot. End there. You pointed out, doesnt have the power to fire mueller. He has to then do that through an access like firing Rod Rosenstein or sessions and having someone else not recused come in and take over this. The problem is, what you say, ends there, couldnt actually happen. The point, when we saw the brennan Security Clearance issue a lot of things shouldnt actually happen. Until somebody actually does something about it, thats the issue. Look, julies laid it out. Ive laid it out. Its not possible that the president could be getting advice from anybody hoop a lawyer probably spent more than a day in law school to understand that this is possible. Is this like the polling of John Brennans clearance . The president is testing waters, putting it out there as a p. R. Move . Feels he can do whav he
wants. A simplistic notion of the presidency. Im the president. Im the boss. Im in charge. This is all mine. Almost a kindergartenlike level of understanding of what the president can do. I can tell you, something who worked for the department of justice eight years, the notion of donald trump taking over this investigation or any investigation makes me shutter. Hes obviously wildly incompetent to do so and already gotten himself in Trouble Overstepping that line of independence with the department of justice. Where the obstruction of Justice Charges or investigation springs from. He, julia, the president also tweeted about taking somebody elses Security Clearance away. The danger many fear from what the president is doing these days, floats an idea, does something about it. Everybodys outraged about it. But its not clear one would assume because these rules exist the president cant do it. Is anybody from justice or have we had comments from anybody saying, no, you cant do itsthis is what wed do if you did . Interesting. First ali, i have to say i just got a note the jury in the Manafort Trial submit add note. Ken delanian where pick that up. Breaking at this moment. Wanted to get that to you. We dont know what has means. Thank you. The just it department in a lot of ways, Yes Harks To Run Politics here. They dont want to get out in front of the president. You know, the president Berated Sessions and Rod Rosenstein as deputy. In a lot of ways they dont want to get ahead of them. Yes, go to people at the Justice Department they will willingly walk us through that process. Often on background to show, no. It is Rod Rosenstein whos in charge of this investigation. Julia, on that point of the Manafort Jury, lets go to ken delanian as you said covering this now. In front of the courthouse. What do we know . Reporter very little, ali. A knock on the jury door and our analyst dan goldman told me he was told there was a note. Not a verdict. We wait to see what information this note reveals to us. We have not had a note other
than the one that asked whether they could go home at 5 00 since thursday, which, were all Juror Experts now. We all Speck Lace Whulate What on. Why not know these other days if going through all of this documentation . Again, youve talked to more than i have about this. No one actually knows what it means . Reporter right. The lack of a note could suggest that there is no disagreement. No questions about the law. Plowing through the evidence, or have disagreements they dont need to ask the judge about. We dont know. All weve done, watch them take breaks. A couple smokers. Seen cigarette breaks every once in a while. Hard to read body language. No idea whats happening. Tell you soon as we learn. And friday excited about a note that said, can we go home at 5 00 . Elly honing is with me. Asked every lawyer around us what three days of deliberations
mean. 7 and 10 and 12 days of deliberation and we dont know what it means. Fun to watch the entire American Public go through what we as prosecutors go through. How did they look . Someone shoot a long glance . What does the note say . How is it written . Kiffin inks . One Person Writing . Obsession and the ultimate futile exercise. But for perspective, day four is not long. For a trial like this. They could come back today. Because its a highly detailed trial. As much as the prosecution tried to make it just about lying there are documents. Yes. 18 counts. Hundreds of documents. Remember, the judge cut the prosecution short a little and didnt let the prosecution do indepth descriptions of the documents. The jury may be having to do that now. Ive had cases, nowhere near this level of complexity with a jury two full weeks. Ive had, a onecount case against one indictment that went a full week. Were not at a full week yet. This jury could be, and the
prior note, first note, suggesting they may be going through the counts very deliberately, one at a time. Something ive learned i wasnt familiar with is that in a case with heavy documentation, there are different ways to present that documentation to The Jurys Inthis Case the judge Wae Wasnt Amenable having the document presented at the time of testimony as evidence. They are, since they got into the jury room thursday have been going through the documents the first time. That alone would be a lot of work. Yes. That was a serious handicap i think that the judge put on the prosecution. When putting in, financial documents are complex. Sure. And what you want to be able to do as a prosecutor, have your agent, typically an fbi agent explain. Put it on the screen. What does this clem mean . This column . How did we arrive at figures at the end . The judge cut short the prosecutors ability to do that. The thought of the jury figure that that out would you
midterm elections. Almost deidentical to the one i 2016. Well get the details next. Supp. Yep, thanks guys. I think he might need some support. Yes. Start them off right, with the School Supplies they need at low prices all summer long. Like these for only 2 or less at office depot officemax. Mom okay we need to get all your School Supplies today. School. Grade. Done. Done. Hit the Snooze Button and get low prices on School Supplies all summer long. Like these for only 2 or less at office depot officemax. Out to me when the jury has a verdict they dont necessarily send a note that says verdict. My note to the judge could be they have a verdict. We dont know categorically this isnt a verdict bud dont know it is either. Soon as we have that well get that to you. You know theyve sent prior notes to the judge. One had four specific questions that made sense given the type of trial it was. One was that they would like to go home at 5 00 on friday. We dont know what type of note it is but will stay on top of it for you. However, russia is denying a new accusation its trying to hack the upcoming midterm elections. It in a report out this morning microsoft says it shut down six fake websites created by Russian Hackers designed to trick users into giving up personal and sensitive information. The attack mirrors the ones ahead of the 2017 election but this time hackers are targeting Conservatives Group which disagree with President Trump on russia and seeking sanctions or pushing for Human Rights Improvements in russia. The targets include the Hudson Institute, a washington
conservative think tank and the International Republican institute. Nonprofit prodemocracy group board includes senator john mccain pap short time ago testimony from state Department Officials at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing punctuated where the attacks are coming from and who they support. The threat from russia evolved beyond being simply an external or military one. It includes influence operations, orchestrated by the kremlin in the very heart of the western world. As the recent facebook purging reveal the russian state promoted fringe voices on the political left and right including group whose advocate violence, storming of federal buildings and overthrow of the u. S. Government. Joining me now, the New York Times reporter who has been covering this story. Good to see you. Thank you for being with us. First, how did microsoft detect the hack and do you have confidence theyre good at this . These types of hiacks can be
easily be detected . Basically caught the fake websites as they were created and good at this thing. Doing it a few years. Know what to look for and used the legal system to their advantage to take them down as soon as being put up. They can say with a high degree what theyve found and why it needs to come down. Actually i read in your article microsoft, i dont know whether theyve been Given Authority by the Justice Department or what it is, but they have the ability to act ton this faster than traditionally they would have by Getting Court orders . Right. They have. Theyve gone through a special judge in virginia and ordered to do so. What happens here these websites are set up by ma slishs aliciou. Setting it up like a real one. Instead of Hudson Institute with a capital i, it will be the letter one and look identical toal averato al to the average citizen. We need these to go down soon as
they come up. One Person Triscked is one too many. And spearphishing, click, think youre going to the Hudson Institute or republican site or in the past the council on foreign relations, Eurasia Group and now are on their site and theyre asking to you submit information. Sort of how it works . Exactly. Spearphishing that looks innocent but that moolicious content or link, pdf file attached. Sometimes as simple as getting you to go a website, open up a report pup think theyre on their page, opening up an average report they would publish month by month and youre downloading malware. Might ask for a password or login and use it to go into your own account. They use these to their advantage and trick a lot of people. A tried and true method. Whats the news in here . Given theyre doing things like what was done in 2016 . Given it could be groups like
fancy bear behind it. The news here is that these are conservative groups that are typically not what we think were being hacked . The conservative groups who have broken with President Trump or not supporting President Trump and supportive of sanctions against russia . Yeah. Exactly. Were seeing shifting the tactics who they target. Really what this tells us about the people behind this, they think on their feet. Seen it with facebook, twitter. With the websites set up. They look and survey american society, say where are the weak points . Wheres our in. Who are the people and what are the institutions we need to t t target and go after them. In this case, think tanks, those that broke with trump and went after them aggressive there. Next hour Andrea Mitchell will interview brad smith, the chief principle officer of
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yorker faultily reported i would take the extraordinary step denying Intelligence Briefings to president obama. Never discussed or thought of. Joining me now, the new yorker reporter who wrote that piece. We spoke yesterday evening. Since then the president has taken issue with your article. An excerpt in the article undeniably got the president s attention this morning, you write as trump stepped up his public and private attacks against obama some of the president s advisers thought he should take the extraordinary step denying obamas access to Intelligence Briefings. In the end he decided no to the exclude obama at the urging of mcmaster. Adam, what do you make of this . I think, you know, what you just read is clearly different than what trump tweeted. You know, the point of the piece is that trump at that point in time in the spring of 2017 was
aggressively attacking obama, and officials around the president were, thought this would be a good way to retaliate, and mcmaster obviously disagreed and presented a compelling case to trump not to pull the trigger and single out obama and deny him access to the briefings that all of his living predecessors were entitled to receive. So effectively, cooler heads prevailed back then. Mcmaster, of course, left the job in april. You see that trump in more recent months has been more willing to act in ways he wa apparently unprepared to act back in 2017. Explore that a little. That may apply to the Security Clearances, may apply to comments about the Federal Reserve yesterday. May apply to his comment that he can take over the Mueller Investigation. What do you mean by that . Are you saying because the president has gotten rid of his
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any . How does the judge work it out jp call them in . Send in the bay iliff . Judges like to reduce everything to writing. A clean record. The right move, for the judge respond in writing say, are you saying this or are you saying that . And the jury like Passing Notes in high school. The most reliable way. The jury responds with a note. In terms how this plays out down either road. If its 17 out of 18 counts they have a verdict and dont know what to do with the last one because they cant, the judge gives them a partial verdict instruction. Tells the jury, you can come back and give us the verdict on the 17 you have, and keep working on the 18th, once do you that, you cant take back the first 17. Or you can keep working until you have all 18. A jury does not necessarily have to return verdicts on every count and indictment. A verd on one count. Thats the judge, they can take that. What happens to whatever is unsettled . The jury will continue to deliberating. Ultimate cant get unanimous it will be a mistrial as to that count. Enough counts of conviction, the government, prosecution, will throw it out. Say were good. Got enough. Got it. If its the other, route. What the jury saying we cannot come to agreement on any count, a potential hung jury territory. Now were in whats called, the territory whats called An Allen Charge. That is when a judge tells a jury, stick with your convictions but keep an open mind. Keep working. Keep negotiating. Keep discussing the evidence. Its important that you try to reach a verdict because if you cant we have to redo this. That can be effective. Can shake loose a hung jury or it can fall on deaf ears. The Defense Lawyers, if thats the case, Defense Lawyers will want An Allen Charge right away. Once given, if the jury comes back again, still cant decide, youre done. You have a mistrial. The prosecution would say, Dont Give The Allen Charge quite yet. Tell them to work hard. Its your second last bullet in
the chamber. Is it common that a judge is, a jury is unclear as to how they get the technical parts of the verdict done in this case . Have you heard this type of a question before . All too common. Were not professional jurors. Nobody is. So often you get jury notes what does this mean . Does it mean this is the most perfect example ive seen of a completely ambiguous note. Could be read as, fantastically proprosecution, if they have a verd on 17 of 18 counts. Good for the prosecution. But if its none of them, thats potentially disastrous for the prosecution. All right. So the lets just go back to the way i initially thought i read this. We cannot come to a consensus op one count. Given what you said, the judge can say, thats okay. Or he can say, keep going until you do . Yes. If its just one count. 1 out of 18 . Right. If the way its interpreted or
clarified is we have a verd on 17 of the 18 counts, the judge will say, okay, jury. You can come out and deliver your 17 verdicts anytime you want and keepingi on that 18th one. Long as you once. Once you come out outten first 17, cant take it back, its on the books written in stone. Or keep working until you have a verdict on all 18. Up to you. Okay. Unfortunately, we cant do what we normally do as reporters. Ask ken delanian, go in, ask what they meant exactly. Interesting to examine the fact a simple note like that, onesentence note can mean two things. What if we cant come to Consensus On One Jount mean 1 of 18 or any one of the 18 counts . Well continue to try to get more information. And following other breaking news. We learned Mike The Cohen is in talks about possible plea deal. Chief investigative reporter
jonathan dooenjoins me with mor the deal may be finalized as early as day prosecutors. What have we heard, Jonathan Dien dienst . There may be a Court Hearing this afternoon with mostly cloudy you mick with a potentially guilty plea reached. The talks are fluid and it could all fall apart and this could all be delayed for a few days. As of now, talks are heated up between his Defense Lawyer and federal prosecutors in Lower Manhattan and that there is a chance that an agreement can be reached between prosecutors and the defense sometime today and that we may learn more about this late this afternoon. Michael cohen has been dropping these sort of clues for a while. He had a few conversations, one with george stephanopoulos, one with reverend al, in which he
proclaimed his fealty to the country. Whats interesting to our viewers is this would be a deal made with the Southern District of new york, which is investigating him, which has charged him. This is not the Mueller Probe. But theres been discussion that in this deal there may be some cooperation with the Mueller Probe involved. That is unclear. You would expect that to happen. No one has been charged yet. The talks are ongoing that, you know, later this afternoon we may learn more about where things stand, and then there would be an open Court Hearing in Federal Court and perhaps a Press Conference by the u. S. Attorney. Whats happening here in new york is unrelated to the russiagate and trump. It deals with mr. Cohen, bank fraud, his taxi medallion business. But prosecutors could use that to put pressure on him to cooperate and that is what is ongoing in terms of these talks. While were careful because we dont know what it is, the
thinking is this isnt about Stormy Daniels money, its not about the 130,000, its about Something Else. This case is about Something Else. But whats really newsworthy is that Something Else could all be coming to a head this afternoon. Interesting timing, ellie honing, on this. What do you make of it, in particular the relationship between the Southern District of new york and the Mueller Investigation. The question is is this a straight plea . We have two different forms in the forms library. One of them is your standard, we have a deal, youre going to plead to these charges and get a little reduction and go our separate ways. You save us the trial. Yeah, youre typical plea deal. Then we have a cooperator deal, which is you will come in and provide us everything you know and inform us of all the bad things you did and get a letter if you succeed. Thats a Million Dollar question. Even if its a straight plea deal, that can turn by a
cooperator deal in time. This can be a placeholder, if there is going to be a plea, as jonathan discussed. With respect to the Mueller Investigation, i dont have any doubt in my mind that any information that cohen has that would be relevant with the Mueller Investigation will be shared with the mueller investigators. Weve seen a lot of permeability here. Friedman, the taxi king guy, was charged by the state, and then that information appears to have been used by the Southern District in order to get to cohen. Then if they are ready and able to flip up to the next level to mueller, i dont see any reason that couldnt or shouldnt happen. In the cases of all these cooperation deals, the judge never has to accept the deal, correct . Correct. The judge can reject a plea deal but its incredibly rare for the judge to say i dont accept this. The judge will have to put cohen through his paces. If he enters a guilty plea what well see is the judge going through a whole bunch of
questions, do you understand the deal youre getting here, are you entering into this deal voluntarily, tell us what you did, thats important. The judge will say tell you what you did that made you guilty and Michael Cohen will have to in his own words say, i committed the offense of whatever. And sometimes judges like to really go deep on that. That will be interesting, if we did have a Court Appearance later as jonathan says is possible. Reporting this out with Sarah Fitzpatrick and tom winter, its clear this is fluid, its on again off again but preparations are under way for the potential. But given what ellie is saying, hes going to have to say what he did that made him guilty, thats something someone has to think over many, many times. Thats how it works in every guilty plea thats arranged, they dot every i and cross every t, theres an a allocut in court. We now know the jury is back
in the courtroom. Ken dilanian is outside the court. Ken, what do we know now . To put some clarity own what elie was saying before, there is some ambiguity in this note as to whether the jury is unable to reach consensus on a single count or on any of the counts, meaning we havent reached on any single count. It seems as if its that they havent reached a consensus on one single count. The judge called a fiveminute recess and instructed them to look at their jury form which tells them how to some of the problem of being deadlocked on a single count. If thats the case, thats great news for the prosecutors. If what the jury is trying to say is weve got it on 17 of the 18, then who cares about the 18th . Theres almost no way theres 17 counts of acquittal. Even if its ten convictions and seven acquittals, thats a
straight win for the prosecution. If thats what it means, then the prosecutors are very pleased right now. While were in the business of squeezing all the juice out of our legal experts, what does a short coming into the courtroom mean . It could mean anything, but i agree with ken, if it were into potential hung jury no counts of agreement territory, there would be a longer conference, there would be a lot of debate between the parties, do we go to the allen charge now or later. If the judge tells them, as ken suggests, look at your instructions and it will tell you how to deal with a deadlock on a charge, this jury has questions about that. Is the information they get clear . Do they have a form that tells them what theyre supposed to do . Im not sure. The Jury Instructions ive seen dont even contemplate the possibility of a hung charge because nobody wants a hung charge. I havent seen a channel thrge
says, if you cant reach a decision, do x. Thats why its torturous for jurors, you never told us what to do. Unanimity means one way or another you need 12 to acquit for not guilty, 12 to convict for guilty. 111 is not good enough. So the jury is struggling with we cant come to agreement on one of the 18. The judge can say you can give us the other 17 and keep working on the 18th, or keep working on all of them. Can the judge say to the prosecution, are you good with the fact that we dont have one charge . Absolutely, the judge can turn to the prosecution and say if im the prosecutor and i read that note, we have a conviction on 17, im assuming its a conviction, i would say, judge, tell them they can come
out and give us the 17 and if theyre stuck on the last one, well drop it. I want to recap this for the viewers. We have a note from the jury that indicates theyre struggling on a charge. There is some interpretation that it could be on all charges. But we might be narrowing down to the idea Paubecause Of Sometg the judge has just done that its just one charge theyre struggling with, in which case we may end up hearing from the jury very soon with a verdict, number one. Number two, its possible we may get a plea deal from Michael Cohen along with the Southern District of new york this afternoon having to do with his taxi business. But it may involve cooperation with the Southern District of new york and the Mueller Investigation. Again, that is fluid, and that is information that we are getting in that may or not and we have just heard now that the jury has now reentered deliberations. So whatever instruction theyve gotten, the judge has sent them back into the room to deliberate
on one charge. So we now have this clear, that it is about one remaining charge, not about 17 or 18 charges, that would lead us to believe that the jury has come to a consensus or an agreement or a verdict on 17 of the 18 charges. There is one on which they are having trouble getting agreement on. The judge has now sent them back. We do not know if hes given them the socalled allen charge, it doesnt sound like it, given the amount of time the judge spent with the jury, because he seemed to spend about five minutes with the jury and instructed him to resume deliberations on the single charge. Well be staying with the story and keeping you up to date on what that actually means through the course of the day. Ill be back here at 3 00 eastern and 6 00 p. M. Eastern. Right now heres Andrea Mitchell with Andrea Mitchell reports. Right now, the Manafort Jury asking the judge what to do if they cannot all agree on one of
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