Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Thomas Roberts 201509

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Thomas Roberts 20150909



incompetently drawn contracts i've ever seen. we could have had a much better deal, we could have had a much stronger deal. we should have dubloubled up th sanctions. we don't get anything. we get nothing from this deal. >> katy tur is in washington for us at that rally and joins us on the phone. so, katy, talk about this. when the votes are all in, the deal will hold so what's the point of having that rally and what are trump, cruz and the rest hoping to accomplish? >> reporter: well, this is political grandstanding at its best with trump and cruz. they're not trying to necessarily convince the maybe undecided that could potentially still be out there to say no to this iran deal but rather to convince their base of supporters and the american public that they do not support this deal and do not believe it should go through. by coming out here and speaking to this crowd and getting on national television shows they are able to get their message out that they don't believe this is the way that the united states should be going. trump has written an op-ed saying he thinks this is a terrible deal. and that's what he's trying to accomplish by coming out here and standing alongside ted cruz and glenn beck and sarah palin. this is about as partisan as it gets. pretty much a tea party rally out here. so if there was any indication that they thought they could convince part of senate democrats to say no to this, i think that that's just a lip service at this point. i think they know they're not going to convince them so they're trying to convince the american public where they stand. donald trump says he's not going to rip up this deal, unlike ted cruz who says he would. he says he would try to police it as strongly as he possibly could. >> very interesting, the pairing two of ted cruz and donald trump. ted saying wherever donald goes, the media follows in droves, so certainly the case as we follow this rally and bring you those remarks live as it happens. katie toy tur, thank you very m. also in just a few moments i'll chat with state department senior advisory marie harf to dig deeper into iran and our next story, which is that about-face from hillary clinton and those e-mails. when it comes to her private e-mail server, hillary clinton has finally said it. she's sorry. >> in retrospect certainly as i look back at it now, even though it was allowed, i should have used two accounts, one for personal, one for work-related e-mails. that was a mistake. i'm sorry about that. i take responsibility. and i'm trying to be as transparent as i possibly can. >> on tuesday, clinton taped appear appearance on ellen degeneres right here at 30 rock. that will air tomorrow. she said she's sorry for the confusion that has ensued. it was an apology that her critics argue was a long time coming. >> i know there have been questions about my e-mails, so i want to address that directly. looking back, it would have been better if i'd simply used a second e-mail account and carried a second phone, but at the time this didn't seem like an issue. >> i think there's so much confusion around this, that i understand why reporters and the public are, you know, asking questions. but the facts are pretty clear. >> you may have seen that i recently launched a snapchat account. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. in retrospect, what was supposed to be convenient has turned out to be anything but convenient. >> you were in charge of it. you were the official in charge. did you wipe the server? >> what, like with a cloth or something? >> i don't know. >> nobody talked to me about it other than you guys. >> you said recently that using your personal e-mail while you were secretary of state was not the best choice and that you take responsibility. are you sorry? >> well, i certainly wish that i had made a different choice and i know why the american people have questions about it. but in retrospect, it certainly would have been better, i take responsibility. >> are you sorry? do you want to apologize to the american people for the choice you made? >> well, it wasn't the best choice. >> it's a distraction, certainly. but it hasn't in any way affected, you know, the plan for our campaign. >> howard dean is a former governor of vermont and dnc chairman, john feery is a republican strategist. to both of you we appreciate you being with us. we want to start with you, governor dean, because on this very show a few days ago, my colleague thomas roberts asked you about the e-mail controversy and in your words you said it was hocus pocus, nonsense, skillful manipulation by the republican party here. now that she's apologizing, would you still use those words? >> absolutely. this is a kabuki. when the media wants to humble you, they do. she was humbled and she did the right thing. but this is not about the e-mail server. there's no there there. this is about whether hillary clinton is going to show herself to the public as someone who's willing to be humble in front of them, and that was the whole gig and the media would like to put themselves in the king maker position, which they have done. i think there's nothing to this. i never have thought that. >> so are you just saying she was apologizing to appease the media maybe, some of her supporters who may be worried? >> this is the kind of thing you have to go through in politics. i had to go through it. sometimes you may think that you're in the right. if the media gangs up on you and decides you're not, sometimes you have to do things you might rather not do. but you have to. it's all part of the game. it's part of the presidential race and been part of the presidential race sips we've had television. >> i'm sure that's something that john will weigh in especially as it comes to the e-mail controversy and 2016. big enough to be a winning issue on the gop side? >> well, we'll see. we don't know what we don't know about these e-mails. we still don't know all the things that may or may not have been deleted from the server which she had for reasons that are still not completely explained in this apology. she's gone on this apology tour. the first thing for hillary clinton is throughout all this she looks like just a typical politician in an era when politicians are very unpopular with the american people. she also has this kind of pattern of deception that, you know, alienates voters, even within the democratic primary. i think that's why you see people like bernie sanders, who has this fresh image as something new, even though he's an older guy and been a politician for a long time. it's gaining and in some ways beating hillary clinton in some polls. so this is a problem for hillary clinton. how she reinvents herself is a mystery to me. >> with the reboot of her campaign and wanting to show more humorous and heart felt, hillary clinton, we know that is the strategy from this point on. governor dean to you. let me show you the latest poll. hillary clinton's support among democrats following in new hampshire and iowa. in both polls bernie sanders and vice president biden gaining. so, governor dean, why is that? are the e-mails a factor here even though you've made it clear that this is the nonstory? >> i think the e-mails are a factor. again, this is what the press does. there was no merit to it. first they claimed -- first they claimed that the russians had to do with the iranian mine and then a criminal investigation into the e-mails. the goal posts keep getting moved around. the issue is -- and i disagree with john. i think people do know hillary clinton. one thing they know about her is she's ready to be president of the united states, which they can't say about anybody else who's running in this race on either side. that is actually going to make her president of the united states at the end of the day. >> but do you think that with the trouble that she's had when it comes to honesty and trustworthiness, that still, regardless of efforts for a warmer, more heartfelt hillary clinton here, that that still may we haunting her in her campaign? >> i don't think so. i think she is trustworthy, i think she's tough as nails. i think people want a tough person that can handle the job. there's only one person that fits this description on either side of the aisle in this race. >> john, i want to ask you here, while we were waiting, this rally happening now called the anti-nuclear deal rally. donald trump is expected to speak, ted cruz, certainly other tea party members as well. what do you think about that as far as the republicans going through this when this is pretty much a done deal with congress? why waste their efforts on this rally? >> well, i think they want to show how really against this treaty they are. any time you get donald trump, sarah palin and ted cruz on the same stage, it's going to bring cameras, and you have this nice backdrop of the u.s. capitol. listen, we all know what's going to happen. the republicans are going to vote against it, some democrats are going to vote against it and ultimately it's not going to be enough votes to overturn a presidential veto but it's important to go through this process so we establish that there is some real opposition to this treaty through a vast majority -- not a vast majority but a majority of the american people. i think that this kind of rally is a good way to throw some more attention on that opposition. >> ultimately, won't it be ted cruz and maybe donald trump benefitting through it and making it more of a political stage for them, even though we know donald trump has shown his weakness when it comes to foreign policy. so not necessarily the focus on the actual deal but saying, hey, let's make it a campaign move. >> yeah, i think this is kind of campaign related, although, you know, i think it's a serious issue and i think earlier the speaker said that -- governor dean said this is trifl januavi an important thing. i think we do need to have a good debate. i think that's what we're going to have in the senate and the house. there is some concern that we're not getting all the facts of this treaty and some of these side deals that need to come out. i would like to see those side deals. it would be nice to have a discussion of those side deals before we actually have a vote. maybe we'll get more democrats to vote with us. >> we see some republicans to postpone it so they can see those side deals. howard dean, john feehery, thank you. our bing pulse question went live and many of you are weighing in. do you accept hillary clinton's apology on the e-mail controversy? 85% of viewers say they do accept it. 15% don't accept it. we'll see how that changes over the course of the next hour. pulse.msnbc.com. hillary clinton and donald trump aren't the only ones speaking out about the iran deal today. house speaker john boehner and his leadership team spent most of their weekly news conference this morning denouncing it. listen to them. >> i think the president has lost this debate with the american people. he lost it the moment that he agreed to a deal that allows iran to stay on a path to develop a nuclear weapon. we're going to do all we can to continue to try to stop this bad deal. >> marie harf is the senior advisor to secretary of state john kerry. marie, as always, welcome to you. appreciate you being here. i want to ask you, why has the deal been so hard to sell to the gop. >> well, i think the fact that a majority of republicans came out against the deal before it was even done says something about the partisanship here that's really at play. look, we're in an election year. we're all well aware of that. if you look at the undecided members of congress, the more they study it, the more they talk to experts and scientists, secretary of energy ernie moniz, the rally that's about to take place speaks to the level of partisanship. they're trying to score political points. what we're focused on is implementing this deal and preventing iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> i want to share with you these pew research polls and the support for the deal has never been really particularly strong. as we look at this in september, approval was 21%, disapproval 49% compared to those numbers in july. so it soeeems it's more support with democrats that has favored the steel has suffered a little bit. what do you attribute that to? >> i think the poll numbers are all over the place when it comes to this deal. one thing we have consistently seen is the more people know about the details in the deal, the more they support it and that's the trajectory we think is important. but the american people have a long history when it comes to the iranian regime. we've lived through some very difficult times with them and this is something that i think many people feel very strongly about. but again, when you get into the details, when you talk about all the restrictions, the unprecedented verification, the fact that this deal will prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon forever, contrary to some republican claims that i've heard even today on the senate floor, forever they are prohibited from getting a nuclear weapon, i think that you'll see the american people increasingly support this deal. >> we certainly heard some tough talk from hillary clinton this morning, tougher than the president himself. she said that we cannot trust the iranians to uphold their end of the bargain, that there will be violations. interesting how she said the starting point of this will be distrust and only to verify afterward. so what kind of violations do you expect to see and how will those be policed? >> nothing in this agreement is based on trust, we've been very clear about that. it is all based on verification, on making sure iran is doing every single thing it's committed to do. after this deal is able to be implemented, after we're past this congressional review period, we will be watching very closely and iran will not get an additional dime of sanctions relief until they take all of those nuclear-related steps. and we don't know quite frankly how this will all play out. that's why we'll be watching incredibly carefully. if iran doesn't take all the steps they have committed to, they won't get the sanctions relief they so desperately need. >> marie harf, we appreciate your time. >> happy to be here. now to some traumatic moments at the tarmac in vegas. have you seen this video? watch the smoke and flames billowing from this british airways plane. it caught fire just ahead of takeoff. despite how terrifying these images look, the 170 people who were on that plane, all of them got off safely, although 13 did have to go to the hospital. >> there was a lady with a very young baby not too far from us and she was immensely brave taking her baby and stuff off the flight really quickly. pretty much everyone was trying to help other people. >> and as the investigation continues, the pilot blames the incident on catastrophic engine failure. coming up, the $64,000 question. will freed kentucky county clerk kim davis continue to defy the supreme court when she returns to work? 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