Gun manufacturers liability bill had some good provisions, among other things. Look, i have made it clear, based on senator sanders own record, that he has voted with the nra, with the gun lobby, numerous times. Now, i am pleased to hear that senator sanders has reversed his position on immunity and i look forward to him joining with those members of congress who have already introduced legislation. The two also sparred over health care. Senator sanders released the details of his singlepayor Health Care Plan just hours before the debate which clinton said would kill the Affordable Care act. Im on the committee that wrote the Affordable Care act. I made the Affordable Care act along with jim clyburn a better piece of legislation. I voted for it. But right now what we have to deal with is the fact that 29 Million People still have no health insurance. There are things we can do to improve it but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate i think is the wrong direction. That is nonsense what a medicareforall program does is finally provide in this Country Health care for every man, woman and child as a right and the issue of wall street reform sparked one of the nights most contentious exchanges. Here it is. I take money from big banks. I dont get personal speaking fees from Goldman Sachs. I can take that. But hes criticized president obama for taking donations from wall street, and president obama has led our country out of the great recession. Youve received over 600,000 in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs in one year. You are the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the Financial Market in 2000. Nbcs Kristin Welker joins us now from the site of last nights debate. Kristin, lets launch in from that last exchange. We saw Hillary Clinton a number of times wrap her arms around the legacy of president obama. For two reasons, reverend al sharpton pointed out, last nights debate was hosted by the caucus. She right now leads in the polls 66 to sanders 26 . Plus put in some of the bad blood between the clintons and black voters after the showdown in South Carolina with president obama. Reporter well, i think all of those reasons are absolutely on point, tamron. Secretary clinton clearly trying to solidify that part of the electorate to rally voters of color around her. President obama very popular obviously around africanamerican voters. But also for the democratic base. So shes not only speaking to efforts vo here in South Carolina, a critical state, by the way, the first in the south primary state. But also trying to rally voters in iowa and in New Hampshire where the polls are so close. I think that it is a mult multipronged strategy that shes taking and it is the first time that weve seen her that aggressively try to wrap her arms around president obama. Just a point about South Carolina. The reason why it is even more important in this primary than perhaps ever imagined by the clinton campaign, if she were to lose iowa, if she were to lose New Hampshire, this would be the new battleground. So there is a lot of focus on South Carolina right now. Lot of focus on nevada as well. So what we saw last night, tamron, some of the most contentious, heated arguments we have seen between secretary clinton and Bernie Sanders, and that is because you have a surging senator sanders. A lot of people saying last nights debate will be remembered as the Bernie Sanders debate because there was so much focus on his reversal over the Gun Legislation and over those new details that we got last night about how hes proposing to pay for his single payer medicare for all Health Care Plan. He defended himself in a very robust way but it is a preview of things to come as these candidates sprint toward the finish in iowa. It is interesting also to note that we will talk a little bit later, kristin, on whats happening in flint, michigan and the water crisis there. At the end of the debate is when that topic came up and many people, given Bernie Sanders background, martin omalley, and certainly Hillary Clinton, expected that to come up sooner or in a more substantive way but it was Hillary Clinton who brought it up at the end. Reporter it was. And she was very firm about it. Had very strong words for the governor and it has become one of these issues that is resonating on the campaign trail. Of course, the question that she got is, what else do you want to talk about that you havent been able to talk about . So i do think it was notable that thats the issue that she pointed to last and drew attention to. This race keeps getting more heated, more contentious by the day, and as you pointed out at the top of your comments, tamron, all of the candidates are at that event for Martin Luther king here, and this will probably be the last time we see them all sort of joining hands as it were, because after that event, i think it is going to be the gloves off again. Kristin, thank you very much. As mentioned, the two hot topics of the night, gun control, health care. Lets bring in Steve Kornacki, he joins us now with more on both of those points. When you look at least some of the scoring so far, it appears that if you look at the average, Bernie Sanders is the victor according to at least again, i qualify this because it is instant readout. But it seems people believe he won that debate. Well see more numbers and data on that im sure to come in the coming days. You talk about guns, health care, those two items that sparked a lot of debate between those two candidates last night. You heard what both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders had to say. We thought wed show you some of the things they didnt say last night. Because what they were saying last night does not necessarily match up in either case with what theyve said in the past. Lets start on guns. Bernie sanders last night attacked by Hillary Clinton for being in her view, too close to the nra. Couple things here that Bernie Sanders did not bring up when he tried to defend his record. One is that he voted against i think we have it on the screen. 1993, the brady bill it was called. It is now the brady law that mandated a waiting period for a background check to be performed before anybody can purchase a handgun. There is Bernie Sanders. Then congressman from vermont voting no on that. Bernie sanders did not mention that last night. What he said is that hed always favored instant background collection. Well, in 1993 instant background checks were part of the alternative that was backed by the nra to the brady bill. And it was not seen as necessarily feasible at the time to implement an instant background check program. So the bill that was put forward that brnz voernie sanders voted was seen as an effort to kill the brady bill. There was also as mentioned Bernie Sanders flipped his position on this liability question for gun owners right before the debate. Hillary clinton is now trying to get to Bernie Sanders peas ls gun control is striking a remarkably different tone. Eight years ago clinton portrays herself as a progun churchgoer. In 2008 heres what she said about guns. We have a set of rules in new york city and we have a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in new york city is certainly not going to work in montana. So for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that theyre going to try to impose i think doesnt make sense. That is guns then. Then on the issue of health care, Bernie Sanders had taken heat in the runup to this debate by Hillary Clinton for not releasing a Health Care Reform plan. Did he that right before the debate. Hillary clinton had been taking heat from some people on the left for the way she criticized Bernie Sanders on this. She seemed to change the way she was criticizing him on this during the course of this debate. She said she did not question his motives, did not question his intentions. Just said it wouldnt be practical to be trying to come up with a brandnew Health Care Plan after all the years it took to get the Affordable Care act through. We just put it up on the screen a minute ago but again, this may be the most interesting thing to emerge from this debate whether it comes to health care. You have three influential liberal voices. All coming out since this debate and basically taking Hillary Clintons side over Bernie Sanders in this Health Care Debate. If that is something that resonates with voters in the democratic primary over the next few weeks, thats something to watch. Lets look at more of what resonated last night. It is always interesting to hear from focus groups. Bringing in a democratic strategist. Park street strategists conducted a focus group during the debate and is unaffiliated with any of the candidates. Chris, good to see you. Start with the makeup of your focus group. Obviously thats important given South Carolina, given the momentum that Bernie Sanders has with younger voters. Tell us a little bit about this group before we hear what they had to say. So we had 30 democratic likely primary voters. We had 14 africanamericans, 16 caucasian. Ages differently. Between men and women, it was split 15 and 15. It was a good Reflective Group of what is going to be seen on primary day here in South Carolina. Pick up where Steve Kornacki left off regarding the Health Care Debate and Bernie Sanders rolling out his plan. Let me play what the focus group or at least how they responded to the conversation when Bernie Sanders discussed health care. He wants to end medicare, end medicaid, end the Childrens Health insurance program. That is nonsense what a medicareforall program does is finally provide in this Country Health care for every man, woman and child as a right now, the truth is, that Fran FranklinDelano Roosevelt and harry truman believed that health care should be available to everybody. I was on the committee that made the Affordable Care act. I made it along with jim clyburn a better piece of legislation. We saw a slow move up. What did you haer at that time from the focus group . It was a consistent pattern starting from the beginning. That is senator sanders message, it is very populist, it kind of speaks to the economic anxiety that a lot of voters across the country but particularly here in South Carolina, at least in this group, felt. When he was talking about health care this is when i think some of the challenges that you face in debates. In terms of how voters are going to respond, theyre not going to microanalyze the merits of a policy in a debate. Theyre responding to the emotion of the message. Sanders comes in with this big picture vision and it resonates. It is not to say that senator clinton, secretary clinton, wasnt effective. The problem is its hard to compete against that bigger message, bigger vision if youre more focused on the technical debails or pointing out the flaws in another candidates plan. You point out what resonated. But when you look at the scoring, even though your focus group believed that sanders won the debate 272 margin, they also when asked who is more electable in november, they were split with 15 saying sanders and surprisingly, 14 saying Hillary Clinton. Again it is a small focus group but when you look at the National Numbers of where Hillary Clinton and senator sanders stand right now, she leads significantly nationally but it is a different story state by state. Yeah. The electability argument is really the major problem that senator sanders has. Weve done focus groups in iowa. The same problem emerges. I think here is the big challenge. This was one focus group of undecided voters. For him to move a state in particular where secretary clinton has significant historical ties and relationships is going to require him not only i think winning iowa, not only winning New Hampshire, but really pouring significant resources. The folks in the group i was really interesting reaction a lot were just surprised because they hadnt heard his message. Even though it connected, it really raised the question that they hadnt heard him, theyre not going to be able to move towards him. Thats going to be the real big challenge senator sanders has going forward. It is not going to be an easy haul for him. He did really well last night in the debate and it was a significant win for him but he needs i think to do a lot more. Which is so interesting. When you look at some of the facebook and social media traffic, he was getting more clicks and people more interested in Bernie Sanders and that could be for the very reason you explain. Theyre getting to know his message. Thats right. I think that is i think the real opportunity he has to go in now. From what the Bernie SandersCampaign Said they raised a significant amount of money. Whats interesting, hes got money which other candidates when they go up against someone as formidable against secretary clinton they usually dont. Now the question is what does he do with it, what sort of message does he start airing and pouring into this state. Interesting information from that small focus group. Breaking now, donald trump has just started speaking at Liberty University, a university founded by jerry falwell. It is a packed crowd but it is a mandatory event for students at Liberty University. Lets listen in. Its an honor to be here. It is an amazing story whats gone on with Liberty University. I mean when you think of all of the years and the early years where not easy. A read a lot about it and ive watched it. Liberty university, like a rocketship. A really great rocketship. What jerry has done and i knew his father a little bit. And i have to tell you, i flew his father a lot from the standpoint of what he did. To be compared to his father, just a little bit, to be compared to his father is really an honor for me. So i want to thank jerry for saying that. You know, it was very interesting, because when other candidates and everybody wants to come here. They dont have this kind of a crowd, but thats okay. But i will say this, when jerry was telling nice things about other people and he was saying this ones very smart and this ones good, this ones good. And Trump Reminds me of my father. I said, thats the best compliment of all. Thats much better than any of the other people got so i was extremely happy about that, i will tell you. And you should be very proud to be here. Youre going to have amazing futures. Just absolutely amazing futures. We had a debate recently. Who watched the debate . Everybody . Very political place. Okay . But it was an amazing evening for me and we did fine. We did well. And the polls came out right after that and we keep going up and were so happy. Im not going to go over the polls. Somebody said why do you always discuss the polls. One of the people im running against, why do you always now hes in seventh place, im in first place. I said when youre in first place, you discuss polls. Thats true. When youre in first place, you discuss polls. But so many things have happened and now they just keep coming out and we go up and up and up. We hit 42 last week. 42 . Thats with 14 or 15 people. Theyre dropping out rapidly. When you have 42 , at least you know youre not totally wasting your time today. Rig right . 42 is good. I think id take 42 if we had three people. Not 14. But it has been an experience and nbc wall street journal just came out, 33 , and cbs, 41 . Cbs 35 . Were really doing good. Im not going to bother you. In South Carolina were at 35 , way, way, way above anybody else. And in iowa, cnn was were the 33 to 20 . Were way up. And actually some other polls actually, the closest is iowa and i love iowa. Im going there right after this. Going up to New Hampshire, im going to iowa, because i want to win iowa