Polls in favor of the president. Not in her house. Speaker pelosi could shut down the state of the union as negotiations between the white house and democrats have hit a wall. And 800,000 federal workers are still not getting paid. I dont think they understand at all. 78 of america lives from paycheck to paycheck. They care nothing about the American People. New worries this morning about its long term impact opn the u. S. Economy and a possible recession. Were going to twin this morning well, the president likes to control the narrative with a stunning walkback by President Trumps personal attorney giuliani involving russia and the Trump Campaign. Surprising everyone with a new deb denial of collusion. Hes now saying he never said that it didnt happen. Do you get that . We have an incredible panel to help. First, these remarkable new comments by giuliani. Hes now claiming that he never said there was no collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia leading up to the 2016 president ial election. Whats more, he insists his claim of no collusion only applied to President Trump. I never said interethere was collusion between the campaign. Yes, you have. I said the president of the United States. Theres no evidence the president of the United States committed the only crime, conspired with the russians to hack the dnc. Giuliani has previously stated no collusion between President Trump and russia. He also stated theres no collusion with the Trump Campaign. You dont have to take my word for it. The president likes to say fake news as does Rudy Giuliani. You can listen for yourself. Heres the tape. Is it still the po silgs of you and your client there was no collision with the russians whatsoever on behalf of the Trump Campaign . Correct. No evidence of any collusion on the part of the president or maybe anybody else for that matter. This probe from the nature of the questions and Everything Else we know. Theres a good reason why. It never took place. Giulianis claim also contradicts the commander in chief. President trump has repeatedly said there is no collusion at all between russia and himself or anyone in his campaign and he said it again just this past saturday. Everybody knows there was no collusion. They wont find collusion. Because i had nothing to do i was a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. Lets go live to the white house and nbcs peter alexander. What happened to the trump administrations line that there was no collusion at all by anyone and the campaign . Walk me through sort of the time line and now the walkbacks. To be very clear, we pulled up tweets from the president where he says among other things the Trump Campaign did nothing wrong, no collusion. Theyve said and he said the Trump Campaign did nothing wrong. The last 12 hours, the sort of deevolution, the latest round of the deevolution of the effort to try and deny any connections with the russians. Lets take you back to the beginning. Initially, the argument for the white house dating back to the days after the president won was that there was no communication between the president and the campaign. Then it was there was no contacts planned. Then it was there were some contacts but they were not with the campaign. They went on to say there were some contacts but they were not even iffingful. Thats just the start. Youll remember the president ultimately would say collusion is not a crime. He would say he couldnt collusion because he didnt have any direction rich to va relati putin. Now the president didnt collude but its possible scope omeone s campaign colluded. A watering down of their denials as they try to separate the president from this. This is what weve heard, this idea there was no collusion. Seems like theyre backing off that claim. This thing is stunning. I got to bring my panel in. Former assistant u. S. Attorney kim whaley. Attorney midwin charles. Associate columnist for real clear politics a. B. Stoddard. And cohost of the words matter pod cast, my friend elise jordan. I got a great female cast today. My first question to mayor giuliani. If manafort was some rogue drifter part of the campaign for a very short time and during that part of the campaign was giving away data, sharing data, making deems with onliy gas olit would help him pay back personal debts, why arent you furious with him . Doesnt make sense to me. Elise. I wonder what is about to drop. Weve seen giuliani drop these media bomb shshell also right before mueller announces a big boom. Time line indictment. Does make me wonder if there is something Rudy Giuliani is trying to preempt by introducing a new narrative. Midwin, if thats the new narrative, trump didnt do it, is giuliani forgetting who was standing to the right and left of the president . It was his children and s soninlaw. Many associates have already turned on the president. Thats how this movie has been going for the past year and a half ever since Robert Mueller was sort of appointed to do this job. Giuliani is an attorney. It means his job is to represent his client zealously. And to be a spokesperson, his advocate. The problem with giuliani is he is engaging in this walkback defense and all hes done is chip away amount trumps credibility. The model rules of professional responsibility which all attorneys are is up povd s ars follow. Theres one particular rule. Its one of the shortest rules. Which is in the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of material fact or law to a third person. Wahats the consequence . The counsnsequence is no one believes donald trump. We could sit here and mornck jewel yagiuliani all day. Not where it matters which is in the court of law. Theyre not in the court of law, hes on cnn. What we do know is we have Robert Mueller amassing testimony and documents. A huge drop the other day to show how manafort lied to the court. It comes back to a stack of paper also this thing. At the end of the day, you have mueller working in the real world and you have giuliani working in the fake world. The problem is the two things at some point are going to come head to head. What weve seep in the past two years is people fudging the truth. The reporter did a phenomenal job in showing how far weve walked back from day one. Now were, well, okay, im just saying maybe donald trump didnt have contact. What happens is you have no credibility. All right. Kim, does any of this affect Robert Muellers investigation . While Rudy Giuliani has lost all credibility with people possibly at this table, he doesnt care abouts at this table. He cares about trumps base. Where does Robert Mueller fall into this. There are two pieces. One is if there are crimes committed. The second is the lies. Usually people say its not the underlying action, its the cover up. Here, its the coverup and the underlying action. Historically all these lies by trump and his team are relevant to that particular issue. Even on merits of this question of, okay, collusion or not, theres 16plus contacts now directly within the campaign to the russianings. We know that. Thats public. We also know from filings related to cohen that he spoke to trump about the russia moscow tower deal during the election. We know the fbi opened a counterintelligence investigation to mr. Trump. We know that a federal court has taken, accepted a plea in which and the department of justice has put in writing that mr. Trump directed his lawyer to commit crimes under the federal Campaign Finance act. We also know that trump had multiple secret dealings, meetings with mr. Putin where he kicked people out of the room. He told them to, you know, tear up notes of the interpreters and then gets on air force one in one instance and dictates a false memo relating to the key, one of the key pivotal moments in this whole narrative, the trump tower meeting in which his team was went to get dirt from the russians on Hillary Clinton. I think what hes doing is play off the confusion and tsunami of information relating to a big arc of wrongdoing by this president by just saying no, no, we didnt collude. I think thats easy for people who arent as steeped as this panel is and you are in the details to just cling on to but the facts are so far from that and we only know it a little bit. The reason we know is because there was a mistake in a redaction by his lawyers. I mean, that was like a like blip and my guess is theres mountains of information that mueller has so i dont think he cares a hoot about what giuliani has to say. By manaforts own lawyers. Again, why isnt trump and giuliani turning on manafort with that news out there . A. B. , what do you make of the strategy . Well, his job is to come out and just go on tv. And jewuliany is his tv lawyer. Hes not really helping him with the mueller strategy. Hes hurting him. Yes, there are moments when i think that rudy has made it clear hes throwing his reputation into the ash heap for the history books and thats unfortunate. It is a strategy as weve all said, a political strategy in terms of impeachment. Just how to continue to convince the base that all of this is b. S. And doesnt matter anyway even if people say collusion is now cool and that way you keep senators on board. They still are afraid that once faced with the fact like the ones you point out about Paul Manafort who was in touch with the white house and possibly trump himself in may of 2018 during this is the fact that senators when this is all revealed might look at this and say, i dont care what my voters think of trump, these are real facts. This is still the strategy, to keep senators and the Republican Party on board so that he cant be convicted if hes impeached in the house. Giulianis job is to go out and barf out world salads. He nails it. Hes made it clear to us he doesnt care about getting his reputation back. Talking about this wall street journal piece. Reporting that President Trumps former fixer, form earl attorney general Michael Cohen who trumps like to say barely worked for him as it relates to politics, he paid a Technology Expert to rig online polls before the president ial election. One was about the president s popularity in terms of running. And the other, a cnbc poll aimed at showing the president to be a bigger business guy than he was. Also to create a twitter profile, women for cohen. I want to show how the bio for this profile women who love and support Michael Cohen, strong, pit bull, sex symbol, no nonsense, business oriented and ready to make a difference. I want to point out pit bull . Truly, i thought with the death of burt reynolds, sex symbol wasnt a term used anymore. Alas, it is. The white house hasnt responded to this. What do you make of it . Another example watch trumps top advisers are focused on, smoke and mirrors and their own egos. This is a tinder profile of sorts on twitter advertising Michael Cohen sex symbol, strong. Business man. And that at the time that youre working in a fairly major role as an adviser to a contender for president of the United States, you still care about women for cohen. Thats even the nonsense portion of it. Were talking about poll rigging. Michael cohen has responded and put out a tweet saying as for the wall street journal article on poll rigging, what i did was at the direction of and for the sole benefit of donald trump. I truly regret my Blind Loyalty to a man who doesnt deserve it. What do you make of this . Pole rigging. Thats astonishing. Its in keeping with the narrative being built publicly about russians rigging the election. Thats established by the National Security team in the government. But two, number two, the trump team was part of that. People talk about collusion. It would matter for purposes of impeachment. Weve got manafort was feeding data to the russians. Very specific data. Its very sad, think about this, focus on these people and put stuff in their comb its poohers and their feed so they dont vote, right . In addition, the president s lawyer coming out and saying he was rigging, also taking steps to rig poll data. If this were a tv afterschool special, wed turn it off because it would seem so insane it could never happen. I think february 7 when Michael Cohen comes out and tells his story and weaves all of this stuff together in a way that makes sense to people, this is what i did and this is why, i think the public consciousness or unconsciousness about whether this matters could shift. Because its going to make sense on a human level what this mans story was. We do have to put the circus nature and the humor of it aside. And the seriousness of poll rigging. I want to take you back to what the president remember, he was the one who was constantly haranguing as louis ruehl would say about poll rigging, poll rigging, poll rigging. Take a look. When the people who control the political power in our society can rig investigations like her investigations was rigged, can rig polls. You see these phony polls. And rig the media. They can wield absolute power over your life, your economy and your country. And benefit big time by it. Donald trump is a master at projecting. Just about everything he complains about from the time he decided to run till now is something he himself or someoneness administration has done. To find out, we dont know if this is true, he directed cohen to do this poll rigging, bingo, hes done that. To claiming that Hillary Clinton was somehow in cahoots with goldman sachs. Remember the hoopla about the speeches and, you know, publish the speeches . Why . Because what did he do . He came in and instead of saying hes going to drain the swamp, he filled the swam with all kinds of shady griftertype characters. We have seen this, you know, time and time again with donald trump. And, again, i cant even understand and it boggles the mind we are hear in this country, that in the United States of america, we have a president saying and doing these things, zero credibility. 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